Re: [PEDA] License Issues
I played with the licensing back when it came out and while you can't lock the PCB license to you machine easily if at all you can prevent the messages. Your coworker have to start the PCB server for the annoying message, so my guess is PCB is set to Automatically start on their machines. Try Changing the PCB server to start ON Demand. This should make it start on their machines only if they open a PCB. Unfortunately it won't shut down automatically when they close the PCB. If this doesn't work remove the PCB server from their machines and the messages will go away. To change the servers startup and/or remove the servers go to the down arrow menu and select servers. Now you can rightmouse on the PCB server and change it's properties or remove it. ROb "Tim Fifield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/26/2002 10:49:32 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Form" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] License Issues In the office we have one full P99SE license and another three schematic licenses. 1. How do I lock the full license to my PC only. i.e.. not have it floating? 2. Is it possible to have the full license lock to my PC only when I start up P99SE and floating when I'm not running P99SE? The problem is that when others are using the schematic editor and have started P99SE earlier in the day than I have I get the annoying warning notice that I'm running two copies of the PCB from 1 license. 3. If I uninstall the PCB server from their computers what will happen? 4. Did perhaps we set up the licensing incorrectly? Tim Fifield * Tracking #: E395FF4341496743A9A85023A9AF0870F88DEA19 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SPICE sim question
I use simulation for a couple of reasons. Last year I was given and existing design that didn't work. i found a few problems like op amps going into saturation and taking way too long to recover. In order to develop a fix I used simulation to determine if the voltage limiter would effect the signal enough to be a problem and if the tolerances on resistors would vary the gain to be a problem. This was very useful and the circuit worked properly when built. Earlier this year we had a customer tell us that our ADCs were noisy because the signals from their equipment with the wires running across the floor near a noisy AC dynometer to our ADCs looked noisier than their existing system with the wires in conduit. I found that our ADCs had no antialiasing filters and used simulation to add filtering and verify that it would not effect the signals of interest. The filters when built performed as the simulations predicted, but the customer still complained that our signals were noisy. Then I simulated their ADCs which were supposed to have a 40KHz passband, and found that they had a 26Khz passband that started to roll off before 1KHz! When they finally tested their system (which had been in place for 5 years) they found that the simulation matched the system and realized why their data was so dead. I have also used quite a bit more often simulation of PLDs and FPGAs toe verify their timing would actually work, and I wish the people who designed the boards I am supporting had done much more so I wouldn't have so many problems to fix. Simulation is a tool that can make your life easier, but it is only as good as the input given it. If the models are wrong or it is applied without knowing how the circuit should operate it will mislead you. I had this happen when I tried to use an Opto to isolate an analog signal. The first attempt looked like it would work, but my fellow engineer made me look closer and I found that it was running in such a narrow band any noisy would overcome the signal. I went back to the drawing board and came up with a better circuit. So simulate to optimize the circuit, eliminate possible designs that won't work, and determine what variations in the parts will do to the circuit, then build the thing to verify in the real world. Rob * Tracking #: 1057284C74BD194FA9E7306B2CD2EB73463F80C2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Acrobat 5 on Schematics
For the fonts that don't render correctly you may have to tell the PDF writer to embedd the fonts. I haven't seen a problem with the arcs. Rob "Brian Sherer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/10/2002 01:07:22 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] Acrobat 5 on Schematics I have Adobe Acrobat v5.0.5 under Win'98 and '99SE SP6 with 512 MB RAM, and it works OK on Schematic files with the exception that arcs of certain diameters located within 20% of the right edge of the sheet are not rendered at all. This includes such objects as the arcs used to create AND gates. It also fails to render certain specific larger font sizes, such as 20pt. These are for the most part B sheets; the effect doesn''t seem related to sheet size or circuit complexity. I'm using the default Acrobat settings. Brian Foothill Services LLC At 09:49 AM 7/10/02 -0700, you wrote: >I reccomend adobe acrobat for pcb files. >However, version 4 on w2000 sp2 does not work on sch files. For those I >use efax. For low cost if you subsribe to efax, you can use their prit >driver/display software to export to tiff or jpeg. > >Does anyone know if acrobat 5 works with sch files? > >Mike >- Original Message - >From: "Yuriy Khapochkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:37 AM >Subject: [PEDA] PPC to word insertion > > >> Does anybody know how to insert PPC (PCBPrint) image into Microsoft Word? >> I would appreciate any ideas better, than printing -> scanning. >> >> Yuriy Khapochkin. >> >> >> * Tracking #: A90690A739593B4B829B4449AA8525A82604F7AC >> * >> >> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!)
And why is it that the STUPID 17 inch outdoor LCD screen at my local Wendy's Drive thru has better contrast and color than the indoor desktop LCD screens? Even when the temperature is -20 outside? (Though, the pixel transition speed around scrolling text begins to suffer dramatically.) Your Wendy's has a color display, not just red letters on black? None I've been to have more than red on black. The Red on Black are great because they have really large pixels and they are monochrome. The bigger the pixel the better the contrast, and with a monochrome LCD you can get more twist to make the contrast better. Then you can put a really bright LED backlight behind it and you have nice outdoor display. I've fought with trying to find a good LCD for outdoors and the best were large character high contrast monochrome ones with LED backlight. My boss at a former job at one point wanted to use an industrial laptop, but the guys at the entrance to the car wash couldn't read it in the sunlight. He promptly disavowed all knowledge of it an we got stuck trying to make it work after everything was installed. * Tracking #: D479BCBBF048A649B147C4935F78D5DEB4331578 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] pdf output
I use PDFWriter 4.05 to print all sheets at once all the time. I have never had it give me problems. I do not use Distiller since it does not prompt me for the file to put everything in. It does not allow me to embed fonts and our logo is in a TrueType font. I can't set the margins with it. To me it is just a waste since everything it does and more I can do easily with PDFWriter. I still haven't figured out why Distiller is included when it just seems to be a brain dead version of PDFWriter. Rob * Tracking #: 7948A6D958407545BD5ED2AB9BA010D39469D094 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] What is new in protel DXP?
Probably the best place to look for info on what is new is Protel's web site http://www.protel.com/media/mr02_dxppcbwest.htm. The other source would be the archives of this email list where a couple of people who went to PCB West gave their impressions. Anyone who is Beta testing it would not be able to give anything more than these two sources. Rob * Tracking #: D7CD23361B5AD44883FA45785F21FAAF323F9C8F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
> It could be a Dell problem, who knows. Yeah it could be Protel's problem, > but the evidence would point in many other places. > (I bet you think OJ didn't do it either.) It is a Dell Problem. The mouse driver they ship on their machines is Old. The Intellimouse driver without the problem was dated older than my almost 2 year old Dell. I downloaded the up-to-date driver and all is well. As far as the Zoom issue. It was obviously a design decision. As such with user interface decisions, some people will like it, and some won't. If the majority find the decision useable and can adapt to it in a short period of time it was a good decision. Chasing the dislikes of a few users leads to products that don't ship and the competition gets so far ahead that the company goes under. Can we now drop this subject. It has been kicked to death and I for one am really tired of it. Protel 99SE does not please everyone all the time, but I don't think that is possible. I do think it is the best value currently available, and I will live with the inconviences instead of spending more money. Rob * Tracking #: 3E02E573E13A6D419EC2C0B4AD09CB929C3328C7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bottom components with 'top' attribute set.
Could you have done a global change and changed the attributes, but not the component. I know I did this once a few years ago. Rob * Tracking #: F24B2F10F97C094B8B31F7E2C91D7B57891B3470 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
> Don't you think this sentence could be true: "IT IS MICROSOFT'S MOUSE DRIVER > FAULT AND IT IS THEIR(MS) RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THE BUG" And Microsoft did fix the bug in the Intellimouse drivers before JaMi got his machine from Dell! The fix drive just did not ship with the Dell machines. Updating the Intellimouse driver to the latest driver has fixed this bug on every machine I know to have exhibited it. I too have a Dell 4100 and it exhibited this problem until I updated the mouse driver, and I found the updated driver was older than the Dell computer. Therefore I hold that this is a MICROSOFT INTELLIMOUSE BUG, not a Protel Bug. Rob * Tracking #: 11CEDB17DE57DA4384F655CFF20993261DBD0927 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
I probably did not respond because I got busy doing work and deleted the message without reading it as I do with the majority of messages on this list. Having worked for a major PC Manufacturer it in no way surprised me that Dell would ship an older driver. The driver they ship is what they get with Microsofts Windows 2000, which is the one that shipped with the original OEM Windows 2000. The only drivers they ship that are not part of Windows 2000 are the specific ones for the hardware they add that is not included in Windows 2000 OEM edition. This is the same old driver that comes with the Windows 2000 you buy off the shelf which if you look has not been changed in over a year. These driver problems are precisely why Microsoft came up with the AutoUpdate utitily. Now updates are done much easier and older drivers get updated sooner. Since much of Protel 99 was written before wheel mice were available it surpirsed me that it even worked at all with the wheel. Microsoft operating systems are a constantly moving target and Iam surprised more software doesn't break more often. When installing an Application updates system libraries you are asking for trouble and with Windows you tend to get it. This is why one of the first things I do with a new machine is check that the drivers are up to date. Rob * Tracking #: 84BA3C93D752BC44830DA7FB0BBCAA25E7AFB6FC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Best PCB Package to use?
We have both Protel 99SE (bought to seats) and PCAD (inherited 1 seat), and comparing them PCAD is more powerfull, but Protel is easier to use. They both have different ways of doing things so going between them is not the easiest thing for the user. The features announced for DXP look to bring it closer to PCAD as far how powerful it is, but PCAD is in line for a major upgrade according to Altium. We will hold off a decision about upgrading to DXP until we see what it and the next PCAD have to offer, but we will probably continue to move new projects to Protel. We have had too many support issues caused by our closed Californian office never upgrading their tools and skills. As far as issues with PCAD, it has them, especially if you are trying to support old designs with the new version and the designer of the boards did things like routing signals on sections of power layers (they also did it the wrong way). Libraries have also been a problem since they used many different ones and did not save the library with the design. If I was looking to buy something in the near future I'd wait and get an eval copy of DXP as soon as it is available and an eval copy of PCAD, then spend the time to learn each and see which matches our needs better. Fortunately we don't need to buy now and can take the time to decide. Rob * Tracking #: 06411F3532E49E4AA9A1B030E958B4826BB8243D * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
> For instance, I was happily running Office 97 under NT when the computer > guys decided to give me an upgrade to Office 2000. Whether this event was > related or not with other upgrades, shortly thereafter I got a failure to Speaking of upgrades breaking things, I once had a machine that would occasionally crash running Protel under Windows 95, and I decided to upgrade it to Windows 2000 that was then in Beta. Windows 2000 died immediately every time. Investigating revealed that I had been using the machine with a SIMM module that had 3 pins not soldered for over a year! I fixed the SIMM and the problems went away. It seems Protel was the only thing under Win95 that actually used the highest blocks of memory, while Windows 2000 used all of memory right away. So sometimes a software problem is really hardware. Rob * Tracking #: C4372B298CC1C64596AFB8AC8ADFCBABB0D01FA5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Manual edit for adding net classes?
I haven't looked into it, but I believe this could be done, by saving the pcb to an ASCII file then editing the text there. Rob "Frances Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/30/2002 11:09:21 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Manual edit for adding net classes? Yes but as I mentioned I have over 40nets and want to add the net classes in a text format so I can do it all at once (like an INI file or the old "place txt" file where you could place components by XY co-ordinates we did that for placing test points in specified locations -- you sure didn't want to do that one at a time. Fran -Original Message- From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:53 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Manual edit for adding net classes? Fran, Design > Netlist Manager Select the far left "Add" button. Name your net class and select the nets you wish to add to this new class and hit the arrow key. Regards, Steve Smith Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com -Original Message- From: Frances Wheeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:41 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Manual edit for adding net classes? I have some PCI traces that I want to add the lengths up -- >From the connector to the resistor pin 1 = 1 length (which is critical and has a not to exceed) >From the resistor pin 2 to BGA pin = 2nd length The above to distances must be added together and not to exceed 2.5 inches In the rules I can add a net and a net class together, sooo I wanted to make a bunch of net classes but it's tedious to do one at a time - is there a file I can edit. As the net class is in fact going to be only one net there are over 40 such nets to add up. Any suggestions Fran * Tracking #: 7957B880BF5285439BBDF79AB632F21B2BDB4A55 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP schematic, any good?
Except in DXP you can just drop the component on the wire and it will break the wire and attach the pins to the wire. Go to Tools Preferences and turn on Optimize Wires & Busses and then Component Cut Wires. Now drop your component on the wire with the pins on the wire and the wire is broken in two. Rob "Brock Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/01/2002 01:02:06 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:"Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Re: [PEDA] DXP schematic, any good? >The ability to break a wire is already sort of there (in P99SE) - you have >to split the wire first. If you click (as if you are going to move it) on >a wire and then hit the INS key you will add a vertex. You can then >delete the wire you no longer want. Am I missing something here? Yes I can add a vertex, handy for re-routing, but I cannot select or remove a segment in order to insert a component. Brock * Tracking #: BD1F93EC26BCAF4EB04E647C10AC35768DFB74F3 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Sch part of Connector (WAS: rectangle hole?)
> Why is this info being stored and how do I stop it from doing so? > Especially the pin number starting 8. Go to Preferences and change the default primitives to what you want them to default to and you should be happier. My default pin is set to 0 and 0. Rob * Tracking #: E922637F9A1EED4EA21E3B500B4ACF2C533FAE8A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT Metric vs Imperial
> I agree the rounding errors in Protel PCB between metric and imperial are > really annoying, making things fall off grid. Many a time I have editted a > pad/part/track when I see 29.99mm and think "Hey this should be 30mm" > and accidently go and edit it to 30.999mm. G. I just tried setting all the vias on a DXP PCB to 0.3mm. It then displayed 0.3mm and after closing and opening the file it still said 0.3mm. I then changed another pad from 3.048mm to 3.03mm. Closing and opening and it still was 3.03mm. I then went to english mode and changed it from 119.291mil to 119.290mil. Going back to metric still gave 3.03mm. I can't seem to duplicate the this problem in DXP. I even tried it with a line 30mm long. I am also wondering how much of a problem this is with the dimensioning tools having setable decimal points and gerber files having a highest resolution of 0.01mil or 0.0001mm. I just haven't noticed this as a problem, or am I missing something (besides the brain cells I lost in college). I have noticed that the DXP memory router will not recognize a pad as being memory routable if it is 0.001mil off grid from the other parts. Rob * Tracking #: 023A42F1C8E0DA4BAD71B27D79763347AB979F7A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] hidden power pins
I've hidden them and not depending on the part. On one of the last parts I created I hid the pins then listed them text on the square of the component so that the tech could tell which are which. Even if you hide them think about where they are so that when you need to unhide them they are not in a place that causes problems. On analog and mixed signal parts I do not hide the pins, where on digital I may in order to reduce clutter. I will usually then unhide one parts pins so the techs can figure out which are power. Rob\ * Tracking #: B357D4E0C9A48B46A1680CDE5C688B93BB97CB6E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP Net lists
> Is it my imagination or does the net list generator in DXP SCH tools no longer support other vendors > formats (PADS PPCB) or a straight wire list? I can't see it, but the help for Create Netlist shows an additional to be determined function so it may be a future service pack item. A better place to ask this would be "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" since the developers and Altium Product manager actively participate there. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * Tracking #: CF485D2497B7DF4F93F1DA80F6050F9A26C00A27 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP Newsgroup
> As far as I know this has not been designated a 'non-dxp' area :) :) > > But seriously, I know the support people at Protel and my local VAR watch this forum as well, and of > course, they are more than capable of responding here, if they wished too. I did not say it was. I was just stating my opinion that it would better serve you to ask over there since I have seen a lot more responses from Altium over there. It appears to me that the developers (as opposed to support people) of DXP are watching the DXPTech Forum, when I see no evidence that the developers are watching this forum. I find results come quicker the fewer levels between you and the guy making the change. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * Tracking #: C4D0C542E476C74AB6FF3381F71B1A8D9C59CD83 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Matched Lenghth Constraint
> I am afraid that to actually have the system (99SE, don't > know about DXP) match these leghts it will not do it, Isn't this what the menu item 'Tools-Equalize Net Lengths' for? I haven't used it except to play back when it was first introduced in 99 or 99SE, but it adds segments to get the nets equal. It has to be run repeatedly until the nets are close enoug, which is a bit of a pain, but it does add the meanders. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * Tracking #: FEC7CBD1A954F04BA456A86C063163712BEE5ED8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OFF TOPIC - Spoofed email address (was: (Un)subscribe!!!)
> I've wondered how one goes about spoofing the "from" address, since that's > such a common tactic for spam and other undesirable mail. My sister just got > an email with a virus the other day, and the return address claimed it was > from me. I haven't seen any way within AOL to monkey with the return address > - is this just an AOL restriction? Aol does not show the whole email header. Usually the Sender: field has the actuall sender, but the virus plops in someone elses email address in the From: field. In most emails you can do this when you set up the email address for the account, since it is just a text field. The Sender field is the on put in by the email server that is difficult to spoof. Email servers that allow anonymous mail forwarding such as uunet used to use can be used to spam by telling the machine to forward a message with a bogus header. This is why most ISPs will now only accept mail when you are logged into their net Since you are using AOL mail most of the viruses won't be able to get to your address book to send itself to all your friends, but they can still attach to your files and try other ways to propagate. I recently saw this while looking about a virus for my sister I found something similar. It was attached to many files, but hadn't emailed out since it didn't understand AOL so it didn't send mail out. It was interesting to see all the new Linux viruses listed on McAffee though. There weren't as many as Win32, but there were a few of them. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * Tracking #: B1FFF8AB3FB6C542AF98D592103DA37EEDB703C2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spoofed email address (was: (Un)subscribe!!!)
> But, many of the messages that look like they come from some particular > user, actually came from another user who had the first user in his address > book. There were some submissions to this list, and some to members of this Klez and some other virii not only rifle through the address book, but they also rifle through emails and files on the infected computer, so keeping the addresses anywhere on the computer is not safe anymore. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * Tracking #: 1FA06E7E17D1D94F810485055263306F77BE18E0 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Newbie questions
As I understand it you want to have one library part for each part number in your system, and you want the part information in a field. One way to do this is to add component names to the component for every partnumber. So than the library item RESISTOR would also have names equal to all your resistor part numbers. Unfortunately this does not allow you to match the value to the part number unless you put it in the name. The other way is to copy the component, rename it to the part number and add the part number information to the library fields. Some people use the dBase link to pull the part number information into the part fields after the parts are placed on the schematic, but since I use Access not dBase and the link is slow I don't use it. So yes it is do-able with a little work. Hope this helps, Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * Tracking #: D3908DFF0DA2A348A19E59AF7D1B10137E72C240 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel - Drill Drawing missing holes
I've only seen this when I had some holes on top of holes. One report consolidated the holes at the same location and the other did not. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * Tracking #: A7B15CD21DAA6A489E76005C2411F95062E4316C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Warning to DXP Users re P99SE files
> NAV causes a LOT of problems for a LOT of people. Try uninstalling it > and if you're worried, keep that machine off the net for a few weeks. > At the very least configure it to NOT scan .INI files since P99SE hits it's .INI files often and having the files scanned for viruses slows everything to a crawl. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?
> they were meatball 10/10 mostly 12/12 bds > there was a giant pour on the entire top > the clearance on the pour was 20 mils all the way around the pads (to > make it easy and not get shorts!) > > they said with a big plane it is harder to etch > > there must be at least a bit of truth to that because i have had this > trouble with this type of board from 3 different shops - albeit not the > highest tech shops kicking around I did this type of pour and had the board house slap my wrists and tell me because of it they would have to electrically test the boards even though they were very simple. The explainattion was that if you have a big pour with lots of copper on one side you need about the same copper on the other side to balance it. Otherwise the acid on one side gets weak while the other side remains strong, resulting in overetching on one side or underetching on the other. Better circulation in the acid bath helps, but yield still goes down and thus cost goes up. If you do a big pour on only one side you should do it with a crosshatch pattern so that the copper is balanced and etching is even. After that wrist slapping I've have learned my lesson and I try hard to keep the copper even. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] signal integrity
> It always says that there are warnings about my PCB, however it seems to > work fine when I let it continue. I assume that these are undefined > integrity (IBIS or similar) libraries. Actually they are probably loops in the tracks. These loops may be under pads and thus hard to find. I ran into this on a board I was doing in P99SE and found that after it complained most signals would work but a few would not simulate. I later brought the board into DXP and DXP comlained that the signals had loops in them and thus could not be simulated. One loop was obvious, but others were under pads so hard to find without DXP pointing out the location. Protel explained that this was due to the agorithm using the tracks not the copper. I fixed the loops and SI worked great. > How do you define the IBIS (or protel library file) to use for each > component?? Once you take over a net you can double click on a pin in the net and change the model and stimulus for that pin. > How does protel store the simulation(signal integrity) libraries? I don't know and as long as it works I don't care. ;-} I'm usually too busy to look into things like this, and as I get older time goes faster so I don't have the extra time I did when I was young. > Why does it not import so many IBIS files, it always complains the the file > I have imported a few different IBIS files, but I can't remember why some wouldn't import. I do remember looking at the files to try to figure it out, but not what the resolution was. Hope this helps, Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] signal integrity
>> the copper. I fixed the loops and SI worked great. > > So I should probably get DXP back to find these kind of errors... > Well it does do a bit better job at it, and from the sounds of it the first Service pack will fix almost all the issues and requests for improvements. >> Once you take over a net you can double click on a pin in the net and >> change the model and stimulus for that pin. > > Is there a way to assign a component a whole IBIS file (ie the IBIS file for > that component includign pins etc) as opposed to just each individual pin?? > I was thinking in terms of a component properties entry or similar. ie In > the PCB or Schematic workflow... This is another area where DXP improved things. It is much easier to assign models to a component and they stay with it since you assign them while creating an integrated library. I have noticed with 99SE that once you assign a model to one pin the other pins of that type get most of the fields from that one. Unfortunately not all the fields carry over. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] WARNING!!! Junctions at + points can disappear in DXP
> Bug's a bug's a bug, and that's what the original post endeavored to report. And what wasn't reported on this list was the repsonse from Protel saying that this is fixed in the soon to be realeased Service Pack. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files
>> My question is how do you view and/or check the gerber? Is there some gerber >> viewer program out there that I need to know about, or perhaps a feature in >> protel99se that I'm not aware of. > Yes. It is called CamTastic and you should have received a copy with Protel 99SE. >I think that this is one feature that Protel is really missing. The ability >to preview (in a graphical sense) the produced gerber file. There are free >downloadable gerber previewers available just by doing a google search. The >one I've got on my machine here is PentaLogic ViewMate. Although I don't >really use it as much as I should... > This is why Protel 99SE includes a license for CamTastic. Of course in DXP CamTastic has been merged into the rest of Protel and you can have it automatically open the Gerber files after they are generated. >I think that perhaps the print(ing) in Protel should be done using the >Gerber interface as this way it will force a correct Gerber interpreter into >the program, as well as correct Gerber creation. :) Protel used to do this (PCB 3.0 I think). Instead of creating a Gerber, you would print to gerber. This was confusing to many, and it did not force a correct gerber generator. I think the current method is much better. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] P-CAD Importation
> On trying to import the .PCB file, I get the message "Unsupported > File Format". On trying to import the .Sch file, I get a system crash > due to an illegal driver call.. > > Has anyone successfully imported older P-CAD PCB or .SCH files? > Are they in ascii format? I seem to recall something about the import being ascii format not binary. But then my memory has been known to be faulty at times. I imported one or two pcad files a while back more for testing than anything since most of the pcad support my boss has been doing since he knows it better. Also I'd rather he got to do the cussing at the way our former employees stupidly did their designs (like routing tracks on power planes using two different layers). Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] P-CAD Importation
> What version of Protel did you use to import the P-CAD files? And, do you > recall the P-CAD version they were generated under? I've since been told the > files I have were done under P-CAD 2001/SP1. At one point the only version of PCAD supported for import was 2000. Looking at the Protel download site the PCAD importer for 99SE still says PCAD 2000 and does not mention 2001. It has been a year or more since I tried the importer so I can't remember much. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Server Uninstall!?
> On yet a different note, could it be due to too many people attempting to > access a limited number of licenses at the same time - What would Prohel do > if there were two requests for access at the same time (a second request > sent (to the same subroutine or procedure) while the first request was still > being processed (had not returned to from the subroutine or procedure) - Is > the code capabile of handling 2 (or more) requests at the same time, or was > this not anticipated by the programmer. I don't understand what you mean here. The only way the subroutine could get executed twice is if it is on the same machine, in which case it is the same user and license. I have run two instances of 99se on my machine without trouble at all. If you mean two different machines, they are not running the same subroutine because they are on different machines. What 99se does if the number of licenses is exceeded is that it tells each of the users that the license count has been exceeded. The dialog box can then be cleared and the user can proceed without loss of data. If they continue to exceed the license count they will get the dialog box every 30 seconds. It is annoying nagging, but I would rather that than a dongle, machine specific license, or having it just shut down. This way you can have one person running schematic while another is running pcb, and if the one running schematic mistakenly opens pcb it doesn't stop everything. When Protel added the net licensing I tried out exceeding the license to see what would happen and the results were some of the best in the industry. No server to load, no hassles, and it keeps people legal. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hole Size Constraint
That would help him if he were using DXP, but since he is using P99SE his only choice is to use the hole size editor and manually check that the holes are in his list. So you can make a rule to limit your holes to a list in DXP but not in P99SE. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- "Wojciech Oborski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/24/2003 10:06 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Re: [PEDA] Hole Size Constraint I know this is not exactly what is expected, but maybe it can be considered as a workaround: 1. Specify (using query manager) a selection query looking like: select all pad.hole size which are not equal to 28 and select all pad.hole size which are not equal to 32 and select all pad.hole size which are not equal to 40 and select all via.hole size which are not equal to 24 and select all via.hole size which are not equal to 28 - if there are any SMD components, then add: select all pad.hole size which are not equal to 0 2. Hit Apply - as a result one gets selected pads and vias not meeting desired "rule" Pads and vias may be processed separately - 2 different queries would be needed. Having all pads (and/or vias) not meeting the "rule" selected (instead of listed in DRC report) may be a benefit - one may use it to globally edit them or even easily create pad class for them. Wojciech Oborski * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hole Size Constraint
Well I sit corrected. Sorry. I never even noticed Query Manager in the menus. I guess you learn something new every day. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- "Wojciech Oborski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/25/2003 03:28 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Re: [PEDA] Hole Size Constraint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > That would help him if he were using DXP, but since he is using P99SE his > only choice is to use the hole size editor and manually check that the > holes are in his list. > Robert, I'm not talking about DXP - I'm using Protel99SE! The post was about using Query Manager (the tool which IS in P99SE) to SELECT objects not meeting desired rule instead of running DRC (while you cannot specify "proper" rule in P99SE). I tested the method quickly (in P99SE) before sending the post - I got selected those pads and vias that had there hole sizes out of the desired set. Producing drill file is good - it shows quickly that you have some pads/vias offending your rule, but with the described method you get them selected, which may help with further processing. Sincerely, Wojciech Oborski * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Mixed PCB (imperial & metric)
> The problem start when i try to place a track, the anchor point in the > metric component pad has ok but when i draw the track outside the pad or > over the pad the track goes to grid. Can you understand my problem? Have > you a solution??? I just route it with a grid of something like 5mil. When I come off the pad I go straight until I am far enough away from the pad that a diagonal won't interfere with other traces from nearby pads, then I put a 45 degree track and from there I am on grid. If you are on the 45 degree when you click the mouse the first time the track will be straight and aligned with the pad. I have a borad right here that has TSSOP memory with 0.5mm pitch and I routed it with a 0.005 inch grid. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Import from spreadsheet?
> My problem is to get the designators to be independent of the components > and placed on Mechanical Layer 4. > I would like to present documentation where I have a silk screen layer > and a component placement layer independent of each other. > Since PCBs are getting smaller and smaller I have no room silk screen > around 0805, 0603, ... and no room for designators on SMT parts, but > people like to have designators on connectors. > What I do now is making a class for the connectors so I can select them > and then switch the designators on and off on the SMT parts, when I make One way to do this is to include the special string .designator on the Mechanical Layer of your library items. This way all of your components would have their designator on the mechanical layer, and you could center it on the part so it looks good for the assembly drawing. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hooking up to edge connector created by PCB wizard in v3.6
> I'm using an old version (v3.6) because that's what my customer owns and > they don't want to upgrade. My question is: What do I need to do, either > in the schematic or PCB editor, to get the netlist to connect to the PCB > edge connector (AT board) created by the PCB wizard? I've looked all > through the documentation and can't find any mention of how to do this. The AT bus connector is a part, and probably has the designator P1 and a footprint with a name like ATEDGE. Double click on the edge connector and see what properties is has to get the exact spellings. You then need to have a schematic part that has the same reference designator and footprint attributes. Either create your own schematic library Item or search through the libraries and find one with the same pins. It has been so long since I used 3.6 that I can't remember if the schematic item came with it or not. I would do a search for *AT* in the libraries. After that it is just like updating an existing PCB to reflect changes in the schematic. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Network issues
Do you have virus checking on? I have an ongoing thing with our IT department because they want viruscan to check INI files and Protel hits INI files hard so the viruscan slows it to a crawl. Just a thought that it may be a similar issue since I believe I read you said it was opening and closing the file for every line written (are you saving in ascii then?). Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] A little OT - PCB labelling
Brady and others make various poly-whatever label stock that can be laser or thermal transfer printed onto. See http://catalog.bradyserve.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=2&cgrfnbr=21753&CTcount=1 Some of these labels will even take the high temperatures of a reflow oven. See BRADY B-652 DOT MATRIX / LASER PRINTABLE HIGH TEMPERATURE POLYIMIDE LABEL at: http://www.info.bradycorp.com/TDS/tdsv1r0.nsf/b14eec34add0a9e1802565080049eca9/085b600b0a208f958625688c005f40d4?OpenDocument Get a Brady catalog and see if your thermal printer can be used as a thermal transfer printer. Otherwise go to laser printed or preprinted labels that you can then enter the number into the syste, from the label as opposed to using the system to generate the number. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups
>> The "text book" standard that is >> >> 1signal >> 2gnd >> 3signal >> 4gnd >> 5pwr >> 6signal >> 7pwr >> 8signal >> I thought that the following stackup was prefered because then every signal is one layer from a ground plane. 1signal 2gnd 3signal 4pwr 5pwr 6signal 7gnd 8signal Any comments? Also anyone else losing messages, or is it just my IT department and Lotus Notes? Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] six or eight-layer (or more?) stackups - Capacitance
> First, my experience regarding layout is minimal at best since I seem to > exhaust all the wrong ways first. I once took a class in multilayer layout > and was told that the capacitance between the power/ground planes > themselves was sufficient for decoupling high frequencies and that adding > pacitors could cause tuned circuits and troublesome resonances. I'm > simply asking, any views on that theory? That may be true at very low frequencies like 74LSxx parts, but as the edge rate goes up the capacitance needs to be closer to the pin. Most manufacturers today say to put decoupling capacitors as close to the power pins as possible and they try to make a power and ground such that the cap can be attached to both pins. >>common in today's circuits. Also, 0.01 uF caps are less expensive and take >>up less space (0805 vs. 1206). Huh? Why would you use a 1206 0.1uf for anything unless you needed 50WVDC or more rating? Everything I have read on bypassing for digital says to use 0603 or smaller parts since they have lower inductance, and at the moment 0603 is the most cost effective. On a current design I have 0603 0.1uf, 0.01uf and smaller, 0805 1uf and 1210 10uf ceramic caps, besides the larger tantalums. The previous designers, who no longer work for us, used 1210 0.1uf for all the bypassing and they put them on the other side of the board far away from the power pins with really small traces so they'd be comletely useless. It really makes life suck now that we need to get RFI compliance testing done, especially when they routed digital across ground plane cuts and routed ADC power on traces that snake all over the board, and...I'm going home for a beer. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCI power pins...
The way I read the PCI spec, a number of years ago when I designed a PCI board, you were REQUIRED to terminate ALL power pins on the board with a specified capacitance that could be from the power plane or capacitors if the plane wasn't enough. It read to me that you could combine pins into one capacitor, but that the capacitance had to be there for the pins. Having said that I have seen a number of boards that don't even have the power pins on the connector. I combined a few pins into fewer caps where I could and the board worked. I don't know if it would have passed the official comliancy test since only three protos were made before management abandoned the project. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Signal Integrity - self help
> I have carefully inspected the routes and no sign of loops anywhere. The > analyzer seems to have particular problems with "T" networks. I have cured > one instance of this by removing the route, deleting the net, creating a The loops could be under pads. I had this problem on a board and could not find the loops at all. DXP pointed out the loop and where it was (x,y coords). Sure enough hidden under a pad was a loop, which confuses the SI algorithm. Not sure on the rest unless the virtual memory is running out on that machine. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PEDA[OT] - PCB Duplication Methods
Never seen this myself, but found this with a quick internet search: Check this outcarefully:) Hive: HKEY_CURRENT_USER Key: Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System Name: DisableCMD Type: REG_DWORD Value: 0 enable command prompt and batch files Value: 1 disable command prompt and batch files Value: 2 disable command prompt but allow Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PEDA[OT] - PCB Duplication Methods
It's something a paranoid IT administrator would do to keep his people from killing there machines, so it could have been your system administrator or even the PC manufacturer who locked it out on you. It is possible to setup windows 2000 or XP so that all the user can do is run one Application and nothing else, which is great in a Kiosk or an embedded application, but sucks for someone who really wants to do something productive. Robert D. LaMoreaux MTS Systems Corp. Powertrain Technology Division 4622 Runway Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48108 734-822-9696 Fax 734-973-1103 Main Desk 734-973- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Process Identifiers
> Nah... just sharing my own experience. Once upon a time, shortly > after I started moving from my old DOS app to P98, I accidently > modified the "File" menu heading by double-clicking on the menu, > before I knew (as in "RTFM!") that one >could< modify the menu. Must > have tried to exit the menu-edit window too fast or something and > hit the wrong key(s), because suddenly "File" said "Mile". I didn't > notice 'til the following Monday, and it took me days figure out > what I'd done. (it was only after I fixed it that I remembered > having discovered "some strange window" while using P98... I noticed on Protel that if you clicked on the menu bar to bring Protel to the top when it was in the background it would bring up the menu edit dialog box. I just tried it on Protel 99SE Service pack 6 and it didn't do it, so I think it may have been fixed. Rob "Andrew J Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/04/2001 02:05:35 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Process Identifiers On 08:47 AM 9/4/2001 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: >Andrew, > you're not suggesting that the poor individual try to use or >navigate the Protel help system are you? Good luck. Nah... just sharing my own experience. Once upon a time, shortly after I started moving from my old DOS app to P98, I accidently modified the "File" menu heading by double-clicking on the menu, before I knew (as in "RTFM!") that one >could< modify the menu. Must have tried to exit the menu-edit window too fast or something and hit the wrong key(s), because suddenly "File" said "Mile". I didn't notice 'til the following Monday, and it took me days figure out what I'd done. (it was only after I fixed it that I remembered having discovered "some strange window" while using P98... regards, aj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Process Identifiers
It's supposed to pop up when you double click on the menu bar, but for some reason when Protel doesn't have the focus and you click on the menu bar it thinks you double clicked. Shift Left click while Protel is in the background still brings up the menu dialog box on my machine. I have had Windows get confused as to whether or not the shift or alt or contrl key was pressed, and cleared these by repeatedly pressing each one of those key, but this doesn't seem to be that. Like most people I avoid clicking on any active part of a window when I want to bring it to front so I click on the menu bar. I suppose I could click on the taskbar for Protel to bring it to front, but that requires too much mouse movement and might minimize the window. Oh well just one of those annoying quirks that isn't bad enough to make it a useless program. At least I can find a part by designator in a multipage schematic quickly which I still haven't figured out how to do in Viewlogic Rob "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/04/2001 05:06:56 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Process Identifiers is that nominally a right click type of thing? if so and it is popping up on a left click then you can clear it by holding the right shift key down and right clicking somewhere in space or maybe it's a left click, it hasn't happened lately Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: > Rob, > you must have got lucky, go buy a lottery ticket, quick! I still get > the stupid edit menu box popping up all the time with Sp6. > > Brad Velander, > Lead PCB Designer, > Norsat International Inc., > #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., > Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. > Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct > Fax (604) 292-9010 > website www.norsat.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:30 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Process Identifiers > > > > > > I noticed on Protel that if you clicked on the menu bar to > > bring Protel to > > the top when it was in the background it would bring up the menu edit > > dialog box. I just tried it on Protel 99SE Service pack 6 and > > it didn't do > > it, so I think it may have been fixed. > > > > Rob -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gerber clearance violations not found by Protel DRC
I have had this very problem when I had metric and inch mixed and the gerbers were done in 2.3 format, I then changed to 2.4 or 2.5 and the same file produced usaeble gerbers. So now whenever I have something with primitives smaller than 10 and 10 I use 2.4 or 2.5 format. Roundup error will kill you when your at clearances of 5 mils. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Process Identifiers
> creatures. Sadly to say, there is no right-thinking about it, though > I would not suggest any such solution, either. Perhaps there is a > third, like: Tools->configuration->menu Or like Microsoft does and right-click menu bar then select customize in the context sensitive menu. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autorouting Problems
> (Advanced Route 3.1). I seem to remember the manual saying the autorouter Advanced Route 3.1 was an entirely different beast than the current router. Compared to the current router Advanced Route was a useless piece of junk. I think the current router is an evolution of the Neurorouter in that it seems to pick it's routes differently, but it does still have them same rip-up and retry style of the Neurorouter. The current router seems to work pretty well if you set up your priorities and rules right, then hand route a few critical routes. Of course this is compared to Advanced Route which never could seem to completely route a board, let alone route a board well. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autorouting Problems
>This was my also impression, but for some reason I had an even stronger >impression that the current router is not related to the Neuro Route >product at all. I am not sure if I got this from a conversation a long >time ago with Protel people (or ex-Protel people) or not. The old Neuro >Route based product had masses of configuration options that the current >version doesn't. Also, the current brochures have no reference to neuro >this or neuro-that. > >I am fairly sure they are different products, but I may be wrong. I agree they are different products, but I think that the current router is an evolution from the old NeuroRoute with a lot of changes to accomodate the new design rules and such. How much of it is the old Neuroroute, and how much is new I don't know, but I think many of the ideas on how to route quickly grew out of Neuroroute. Rob "Ian Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/13/2001 06:43:10 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Autorouting Problems On 05:19 PM 13/09/2001 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > (Advanced Route 3.1). I seem to remember the manual saying the >autorouter > > >Advanced Route 3.1 was an entirely different beast than the current router. >Compared to the current router Advanced Route was a useless piece of junk. >I think the current router is an evolution of the Neurorouter in that it >seems to pick it's routes differently, but it does still have them same >rip-up and retry style of the Neurorouter. This was my also impression, but for some reason I had an even stronger impression that the current router is not related to the Neuro Route product at all. I am not sure if I got this from a conversation a long time ago with Protel people (or ex-Protel people) or not. The old Neuro Route based product had masses of configuration options that the current version doesn't. Also, the current brochures have no reference to neuro this or neuro-that. I am fairly sure they are different products, but I may be wrong. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pad with multiple holes surrounding it.
I have a board sitting here that I worked on in 1991 (386SX PC motherboard) which has mounting holes like this, but I haven't seen it done much lately. Basically it has a mounting hole that has the 0.156" screw hole surrounded by 8 smaller holes in the middle of 0.375 square block of copper that doesn't have a solder mask. Looking closer at this board the screw hole is not plated, so my presumption is that the plated through hole was torn up by the mounting screws in production and thus it was made non-plated and the grounding holes under the screw head added. I have seen this type of mounting hole used on other designs and I have seen this where a large bus wire was attached to a PCB. I assume the DRC violations are for clearance issues since it doesn't like putting a pad or via on a pad? The easiest way I can see to do this is to put the mounting hole in the middle of a top and a bottom polygon or fill the size of the total screw head area you want (0.225"). Set the pad size relatively small since the fill will give you the copper area.Now place vias at the additional hole locations and make them the same net. Next add a design rule saying these vias can be close to the pad, and add a fill on the top and bottom solder mask. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file?
Our board house is asking for a GENCAD.CAD file for their flying probe tester which I believe is made by GenRad. Has anyone ever heard of this format? Is this actually a format that Protel will produce, but named wrong? GenRads web site is less than usefull since anything that might have information in it is login protected. The current board that is at issue was done in an OLD version of PCAD which we don't have running and PCAD 2001 doesn't like the design because the people who did it thought they were clever and combined power planes and signal layers in a painful way. So we can't generate the GENCAD.CAD file for them or the PDIF file they say they could also take. Of course if they hadn't lost the program they did a year and half ago for this board they wouldn't have this problem. thanks, Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file?
Will the latest version pull in a PCAD binary file? My current problem is we have the old PCAD binary file, but no machine running the old PCAD, and the old file would take a week to pull in to the new PCAD and check . Since the board house lost the program for the flying probe tester, I'd rather make them upgrade their software than have to go back and try to regenerate a PDIF file. In the future we intend to supply IPC-D-356A files unless we really have to supply the PCB file. Thanks, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/25/2001 06:21:41 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Yes very familiar with Genrad. Unless you have the latest version which includes the new Protel file convertor, you need to export your Protel PCB file out in Version 2.8 ASCII format. Then Genrad has a program convertor called Alchemist which converts to GenCad.cad files. Hope that helps Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:20 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Our board house is asking for a GENCAD.CAD file for their flying probe tester which I believe is made by GenRad. Has anyone ever heard of this format? Is this actually a format that Protel will produce, but named wrong? GenRads web site is less than usefull since anything that might have information in it is login protected. The current board that is at issue was done in an OLD version of PCAD which we don't have running and PCAD 2001 doesn't like the design because the people who did it thought they were clever and combined power planes and signal layers in a painful way. So we can't generate the GENCAD.CAD file for them or the PDIF file they say they could also take. Of course if they hadn't lost the program they did a year and half ago for this board they wouldn't have this problem. thanks, Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Urgent help needed
I have had a library update cause a part to go haywire when the origin of the library part was way off from the center of the part. This was due to the library being imported from another package if I remember correctly. I have had a component move off the viewable area, and found a way to fix it relatively quickly. First I output a pick and place the assembly. Next I find the part in question in the pick and place and I change it's x,y location to a good location Now I go back to the PCB and I select Tools Autoplacer Place from file and I use the changed PIK file to place the part in a good location. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Does anyone have fixed spice simulation libraries for the basic components?
Which libraries? Some libraries don't have simulatoin info, and others do. The ISOI libraries have simulation info where the manufacturer has published it, but you need to pull the simulation files out into the proper directory for them to work. The simulation library does work fine. Again what parts and which libraries will help to know. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB Freeze: ChangeObjectGraphically
Do you have a virus scanner running that scans INI files? McAffee will slow Protel and Camtastic to a crawl when scanning INI files is turned on since they both wirte info to INI files. Tunring off scanning INI files sped things back up tot normal Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Pricing
and to add another question to the confusion What happens if you have two Protel Licenses and buy 1 ATS? It might be affordable then. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] McAfee and Protel 99SE
> Does anyone know how to get McAfee v5.16 and Protel 99SE with SP6 on Windows > 2000 with SP2 to play nice together. When I start and exit Protel McAfee > scans everything (taking up to 60% of the CPU resourse). It also happens > when I am working in the print preview area. Go into McAfee and turn off checking INI files. Everytime Protel does something it updates an IN file which McAfee then wants to analyze. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] vias vs. pads
> Vias also don't have thermal reliefs like pads. (This works in PCAD, > though). That was an old version of Protel. Currently Vias get connected automagically to a power plane having the same net name using the connect style for that net. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
There are several tools lingering arround: - Schematic YES - PCBYES - Powerprint YES - CAM ManagerYES - Simulator YES JUST PROVED WHY A CUSTOMERS EXISTING SYSTEM IS APPLES COMPARED TO OUR ORANGES - Autorouter YES WITH MANUAL ROUTING ALSO - 3D Viewer ONLY TO SHOW MARKETING TYPES WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE - PLDYES ON GAL TYPE PARTS - Arrange Components NO - Autoplacer NOT PUT IT CAN BE USEFUL FOR BYPASS CAPS - PCB Miter I THINK THE AUTOROUTE CLEANUP USES THIS SINCE I SELDOM NEED TO RUN IT MANUALLY - Signal Integrity YES - HELPED DIAGNOSE AND CORRECT A COUPLE PROBLEMS - Database Link I WOULD IF IT WOULD LINK TO A REAL DATABASE LIKE MS ACCESS, BUT DBASE IS USELESS. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Antwort: Antwort: Autorouter
> same here. Even medium designs won't route and end up with an "unable to > initialise". Does anyone know a reason and workaround for this effect? I have found this to usually be due to components outside the keepout area or the keepout area being incomplete or inside out. The other thing that will cause this is certain DRC errors, but I can't remember which exactly. So check your keepout and components then run a DRC. Yes it would be better if it would give you a good error message like "unable to initalize due to component outside keepout", but I think this is more a specification error than a real software bug. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
I'm curious. How many upgraded to Protel 99 SE and thus do not have the "Protel 99 SE Designer's Handbook", and how many people do have it? How many of the people with the Designer's Handbook feel the simulator, signal integrity and PLD are poorly documented? The reason I ask is that at the last job we upgraded to 99Se and the help files sucked for figuring out how to use the new features, but at this job we bought Protel new and the Designer's Manual is actually quite a bit of help. I just wish they had put the Designer's Handbook into the help files, so I don't have to go get the manual back from the other engineer everytime I can't remember something. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D)
> Initially on the new machine all printing activity from within Protel would > cause a crash, from experience we know that protel is very sensitive to > graphics cards (surely not the fault of protel), so changing it sorted some > of the crashes (its now the same as the first machine) > Actually the crash when printing issue is a Protel bug. It seems they have poor (or no) error recovery from an open printer call to a non-existant printer driver. This is especially in the PCB print preview. The revocery method that seems to work best was to remove all printers from thesystem then add the printers back. Most of the bugs I have found in Protel have been lack of good error recovery more than logic errors, although if I want to get picky I could go into all the dialog boxes with useless tab orders. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D)
> So we've got the same files on the same everything, what's left? Protel is > sensitive to PC hardware, surely not.. It's possible even though it gets less likely with newer versions of Windows. On the other hand Protel and most windows programs are sensitive to DLLs. Protel is more sensitive to DLL Hell than some programs. And Yes I agree that a well written and QA'd program does not have the poor error recovery that Protel can experience, but I would rather have poor error recovery than logic errors that lead to things like gerber files being 1% small. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
> You can download the 99SE handbook as well as a handbook supplement from the > Protel website in PDF format. I agree, they are quite useful. I thought I had seen them somewhere. It still would be nice to see them intergrated into the help files so you can get to the pertinent information from within Protel. thanks, Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D)
Believe it or not I have seen a hardware memory problem crash Protel. It was the only thing that needed enough memory to actually cause that SIMM to be used. Of course this a few years ago running something like Windows 95 on a pentium 133, but the point is that it can happen since most low to mid level PCs do not have ECC, and windows starts allocating from one end of memory. Of course while I won't rule it out without more evidence I think it unlikely that his printing problem is RAM, but rather a combination of DLL hell and poor error recovery. Rob "Jason Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/19/2001 01:09:00 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D) Nice idea, but I don't think errant dram bits hunt and seek just Protel, if the dram were faulty, I'd expect 2K (or any component of it) to dump at least some of the time, also the bist would be likely to fail... The majority of PC's though running at GHz frequencies still use either a 200 or 266MHz local bus and a 100/133Mhz memory bus, and thats tried and tested. Before I get flamed, I know there are some 400 FSB boards out there with 600 or even 800MHz memory (no idea how it works though), but we aint got one - have you seen the memory prices for it J. -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 November 2001 16:41 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D) > Explain why a fresh re-install of 2000 + sp2, then Protel +sp6 crashes on > several operations, even on first run. > > Explain why printing on one machine with exactly the same graphics card, > graphics drivers, print drivers etc. works fine. On the new one it does not, > if it prints at all, many entities are missing, especially outline boxes. > > So we've got the same files on the same everything, what's left? Protel is > sensitive to PC hardware, surely not.. It's possible. PC hardware can exhibit problems. In all those MB of RAM, if a few bits flake out, it can crash a program. New PCs are on the absolute bleeding edge, which means some blood (and sweat and tears) is bound to be spilt somewhere. If Protel is the largest app (with your design file loaded) you run on that PC, it could be using an area of RAM that is not fit for use. Instead of running the latest 2 GHz P++, maybe you should try it on an older, slower PC. The most advanced PC I have right now is a W2K/SP2 dual-PIII 1.0 GHz with 512MB PC133 and a Matrox G450 video card. Rock stable - but then I haven't done any Protel jobs as huge as the one you are doing. Protel 99SE has plenty of bugs and quirks. But no program, no matter how good, can overcome a marginal, overclocked, metastable, negative-timing-margin PC. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Jason Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D) > The files in question were returned to Protel under NDA, they confirmed the > problems as reported and indicated that at present there was no fix. > > Sorry, but I can't transmit designs to the public, at least without NDA, > thanks for the offer anyway. > > I can say that there are about:- > 1100 components spread across two sides > 1000 nets > 1 track segments (last time I talked to the guy doing the layout) > 2450 vias > 450 holes > 6 layers > Several silk and mech keepout layers etc. > 5000 SMT pads > 15 Polys on two layers > .DDB runs at about 20-70Mb and lives on the same HDD as the program. > All in a 10" x 8" board area > > In any case, Protel works on at least one machine here (if with some > deficiencies) without crashing (too often). That eliminates user error and > bad files (incidentally neither of which should EVER affect a well written > program, I know, as well a hardware engineer I'm also a programmer). > > So far as the poly problem goes, the fix in that case it to set 'Auto > Repour' to 'Never' and then use my 'Repour All Poly' server, available on > the yahoo group, failing to do this results in some long waits!! > > Explain why a fresh re-install of 2000 + sp2, then Protel +sp6 crashes on > several operations, even on first run. > > Explain why printing on one machine with exactly the same graphics card, > graphics drivers, print drivers etc. works fine. On the new one it does not, > if it prints at all, many entities are missing, especially outline boxes. > > (Note I've seen the latter on several past Protel installs with certain > graphics cards, notably ATI) > > So we've got the same files on the same everything, what's left? Protel is > sensitive to PC hardware, surely not.. > > J. > > Jason Morgan - Senior Development Engineer
Re: [PEDA] Protel usage
> you mean about having to repeat the setup. My one complaint is that it > insists on rebuilding all the previews whenever the slightest change is > made. You can turn that off by going into tools preference and turning off Perform automatic rebuild for changes. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Fonts and Registry Access
I'm still trying now and then to debug the font problem on my installation of Protel. Ever since I upgraded to a 21" monitor at 1600x1200, certain fonts are screwed up, most notably the Layers dialog box and the help system index. I have been all over the settings within Protel, as well as all the Windows display settings, to no avail. I can see a change in certain fonts when I I have seen this with Large Fonts set in the display adapter properties. Of course in order to read normal text you then need to play with all the other fonts which is a pain. It appears Protel always assumes the fonts are at 100% not the 125% that the Large Fonts gives. Playing with the Windows appearance settings I can usually get it so that only the less annoying dialog boxes are unreadable (like autorouter progress). problem by watching registry access, I discovered that Protel accesses the registry approximately 12,000 times between program startup and the time it's ready to run. This must surely account for at least some of the long delay in Is this the registry itself or all INI files? I've found that turning off virusscan of INI files speeds it up a whole lot, but I haven't found that many registry entries for Protel. Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/20/2001 09:34:33 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] Protel Fonts and Registry Access I'm still trying now and then to debug the font problem on my installation of Protel. Ever since I upgraded to a 21" monitor at 1600x1200, certain fonts are screwed up, most notably the Layers dialog box and the help system index. I have been all over the settings within Protel, as well as all the Windows display settings, to no avail. I can see a change in certain fonts when I change the setting for "use client system fonts", and also when I change the client system font. None of that, however, seems to affect the help index (the index on other Windows help systems is just fine). Also, though it changes the font used in the Layer dialog box, it doesn't resize the dialog box properly - layer names are chopped off, and only the first three copper layers (for instance) are visible without scrolling. Despite many attempts for list members to help, I have basically written off the help files as useless on this system, and I just live with the need to know layer names and to scroll them into view on the Layer dialog box. Probably a whole separate issue, when attempting to troubleshoot the above problem by watching registry access, I discovered that Protel accesses the registry approximately 12,000 times between program startup and the time it's ready to run. This must surely account for at least some of the long delay in getting down to business. Is there any way to suppress some of this activity to get a snappier startup? Protel, are you listening - the startup and shutdown sluggishness has been a long-time gripe, even if it's been mostly written off as inevitable now. Steve Hendrix * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Corrupted Protel 99 SE SP6 Installation
> I am unable to open a Database file with Protel 99 SE with SP6. When I > try to open one, the program gives me the New Design Database dialog. > This installation on my computer used to work. Did you try repairing the database? This is in the system menu on the far left under Design Utilities. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
> There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory, > but when the buyers always want the cheapest ... > You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff > that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ? > > I think it way off to use software to mask hardware faults. but when you get to more than 4 bits of parity it is much better to use those bits to do ECC since the cost is the same. This is why all current machine support ECC not parity. Also ECC is not using software to mask hardware faults, it is using hardware to correct hardware faults. Parity in PCs, on the other hand, used software to stop the machine after a hardware fault. Today's memory is much more reliable than it was 15 or 20 years ago so advantage of ECC to the home user is not worth the cost. I check any new memory and than I don't worry about it. I did not check once on a non-ECC memory DIMM and had the memory work fine until I switched to Win2K. Investigating, I found that there was an unsoldered pin on one of the chips. Obviously Win 95 didn't actually use that memory, and Win2k/WinNT uses everything it can get the problem never occured under Win95. This would not have been a problem with ECC memory since the hardware would have used the extra bits to correct the bad data line on every read. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Padstack
> Can anyone tell me if it is possible make a via or pad that is connected to > the Vcc net on the top and bottom layers only. TI do not want to connect it > to the inner Vcc plane as the decoupling caps are on the secondary side of > the pcb and I want the voltage to see them before the leg of the IC. Just make a design rule that says that pad is not connected to the plane. It works great. Vias are harder to make rules for so a free pad is probably better to use. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Weird Problems with Protel -!!!
CHeck your *99SE.INI, *99SE.DFT, *99SE.RCS, and *99SE.* files in the \WINDOWS directory. My guess is one of them didn't get written correctly or got deleted. Since 99Se uses different files from 98 this would explain the difference. I once reinstalled Protel only to realise that the problem was due to an INI file problem. At least they are all pretty much SOMETHING99SE.XXX so a search for *99se.* will turn up which exist and you can compare to a working machine. Rob "Brooks,Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 01/11/2002 01:53:37 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] Weird Problems with Protel -!!! I have had some unusual problems with Protel before but this one takes the cake. I open a schematic from our server directory, Protel 99SE sp6 tells me that the schematic is an unknown file type First thing I thought... oh yea... must be a corrupt file... So I open Protel 98 and the file opens just fine hmmm Go back to 99SE SP6 and yup... it still doesn't open the file h Okay... check the setup of the program Lo and behold the Schematic Servers are not installed well they were Last night when I logged off... Hmmm... Check licenses No license for schematic in the window... what's up with that? You think it decided to drop them due to a conflict? We have about 8 licenses here... - Bill Brooks P.S. I called Altium(Protel) and tried to get a Tech Support person to help me... all I got was a recording... and they will get to my message eventually... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Surprising performance increase with protel..
> Does having a large paging (swap file, I'm assuming these are the same) file > really make a difference in system performance? If the program needs more than the pages file has then the OS will have to enlarge the page file which takes time and then you have chunks all over the hard drive and the seek time of the drive slows things down. With a fixed unfragmented paging file the drives prefetch ability speeds up the accesses to the swapped memory when the program needs it back. Setting a minimum page file that is big enough for most days and defragmenting the drive allows the OS to put everything together so it can be written and read quickly, thus speeding things up. I find a larger than neccessary page file minimum with no maximum works great and then when I get into one of those marathon sessions that need extra memory it is quicker. ROb * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Is this normal???
>no it doesn't work properly! as soon as the wheel is turned the keyboard > freaks out and i have to reboot. (press Esc and the windows start button > menuwould pop-up.) this sounds like the MouseWheel driver problem, which was not Protels bug, but Microsofts. what version of Mouse driver software are you running? Every time I turned the mouse wheel the keyboard shortcuts in PCB would no longer wok, until I updated the mouse driver. I found that this was an old update that Dell neglected to put on my machine when it shipped. Win 2k reports my mouse driver to be version 3.20.0.484 dated 5/19/2000. If you don't have this version or later the problem is probably Microsofts and you can try updating from Microsofts site. I have also seen a similar problem when my USB bus at home got screwy and the USB keyboard and mouse got confused. This was without Protel running, and I plugged in a cheap PS/2 keyboard and mouse as backup. Win XP and updated drivers fixed this at home. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Cpld question
My experience with Xilinx parts is that there is no easy way to create them period. The newer parts may be different when used with the newer xilinx tools, but the older parts i have to support are a royal pain. These parts were done in OrCad or Viewlogic then converted through a series of nightmarish steps to be compiled under XAct. The worst of these was trying to pull up a 10 year old copy of OrCad to change one little gate then trying to translate that into something a 10 year old version of XACT could compile. Of course the fact that the library symbols used haven't been supported since 1993 didn't help. I gave up and that board will be redesigned using Alterra parts. I have used Protel PLD to create GALs with much success, but then I had used CUPL for that purpose in the past.. I do not like PLDs created in schematic capture and my experience trying to support the ones I inherited that were done in schematic capture has led me to conclude that it is a big mistake. With Xilinx you have to be careful what library items you use and make sure that the correct XNF for the library items are used by the Xilinx tool. If this is a current Xilinx part supported by the current Xilinx tools I would use VHDL or Verilog to create the source files than use the Xilinx tool to compile it. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel and Windows XP
> I heard from a friend that Protel won't work on Windows XP. I'm setting up > a new computer, and I'd like to run Windows XP if I can. There was a discussion on this list a while back about some part of Windows XP help ceasing to work after Protel was run under Windows XP Home (not Pro). As I recall Protel worked fine, but the start menu help would stop functioning. I have run Protel a limited amount under XP Pro and not seen any problems, but then I virtually never use the Start Menu Help. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] I am sure it was asked before
XP Pro seems to work with no problems. There were reports of XP Home's Windows Help getting screwy when 99SE was installed. Rob "yves Dubois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/26/2002 10:35:42 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] I am sure it was asked before I Have to reinstall windows on my computer I have both 98 and XP, I am thinking of installing XP, will I encounter any weird problems or should I stick with 98. I am using 99SE SP6. Thanks Yves Dubois Raytron LTD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Acrobat Reader to Protel sw
> The problem is similar to converting gerber to PCB, only more complex > because of scaling and because both gerber and Protel are vector-based. I > don't know about PDF. PDF is basically encapsulated binary Postscript with some extensions so it contains vectors bitmaps and scalable fonts. There may be something that would take the postscript in. An Alternative would be to scan it in as a bitmap then pull in the bitmap. Or plot from acrobat to an HPGL file using one of the HP printer drivers. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: CLIENT99SE caused an invalid page fault in module at 0000:01000001.
speaking of DDBs, has anyone ever figured out how to open them with Access? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Sheet numbers
> Or how do I give the sheets in the project numbers Use the Anotate function (Tools- Annotate menu item) and tell it to Update Sheet Numbers Only in the first combo box, or manually go into the sheet options (Design-Options menu item) dialog box and change the sheet number on the Organization tab. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SMD Package
Try the manufacturers web site or the IPC land pattern web site at http://search.ipc.org/sm782/default.asp "Adeline Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/31/2002 11:58:53 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] SMD Package Hi, Resently, I came across a Inductor package 1810. Does any one know what is the actual footprint for this? Or there is a www that has all the SMD footprint. Rdgs Adeline * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Schmatics wont open with XP
Did you install XP as an upgrade? Some software needs to be re-installed after upgrading to XP. It's been months since I upgraded my home machine to XP Pro, so I can't remember if Protel was one of the packages I had to re-install or not. I do know MS Office needs to be re-installed after upgrading. Rob "Mike Reagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/05/2002 08:21:11 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] Schmatics wont open with XP Hello All, I recently installed XP on my Compaq, running 99SE SP6. When I attempt to import a new schematic or project, Protel takes long break, then automatically closes. Has anyone experienced this? or better yet have the solution how I can load schematics into my ddb? It was working flawless before I installed XP. I tried to create a new ddb then import a sch or projectsame result. Double clicked on Project and sch files crating new ddbs , same crash. I don't know if killing the Microsoft puppy of off my explorer had anything to do with it. The first time this happened to me I dismissed it, but I can repeat the problem everytime, Any help would be appreciated Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick Md * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] XP Pro WAS: Schmatics wont open with XP
> This must mean that XP trashes application entries in the registry when you > install it. Bad, bad, bad... The upgrade went better than any other time I've upgraded and operating system, and with the registry being completely different from Win 9X I expected worse. It only took one short evening to have everything reinstalled and working. > Rob, did you upgrade to XPP from XPH, or some older version of Windows? If > you upgraded from XPH, wow man, you have given M$ a lot of money just for > one machine. If it's a new machine, it's not like you had a choice :-( Silly me I bought a machine from CompUSA that came with Windows ME instead of insesting on Windows 2000. I got sick of ME running out of resources due to some mediocre Apps and decided to upgrade. Of course I cheated a little and took advantage an educational discount so the cost was only $45. XP Pro has all the advantages of Win2k and all the advantages of ME/98 without the disadvantages, so I'm satisfied. > And some people still say there is no M$ monopoly >SNIP Rest of rant ignored * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] help, how do i make rectangular holes in components and on the pcb itself?
> I want to make rectangular holes in pads for components with metal tabs. For > instance, a hole 40mils by 120 mils. Can this be done in Protel 99SE? BTW, > is hole the proper nomeclature for this? I've done this in the past by placing the appropriate track on the drill drawing layer, then adding the exact dimension information off to the side. The info was something like 0.060 route for .250 inch. They will make these slots with a router so the bit size and length information is what they need to know. You could also show it giving the radius of the corners and the x and y lengths. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question
If you look in the Design Explorer 99 SE\Library\PLD directory you will find the files for Protel PLD including Atmel.DL which as I recall contains the info you are looking for. I did this type of thing more than 2 years ago so I can't remember exactly, but all CUPL files are there. At one point with Protel 99 PLD was fighting me so much that I created the CUPL file in Protel than compiled it with WINCUPL. Later with Protel 99 SE I compiled it fine. I just changed the ATMEL.DL file and the PLD configure options changed to match, so I suspect this is the file you want to copy. You might also try renaming the Protel PLD directory to something else then copying the Atmel PLD directory over, so the full version of Protel uses the Atmel Files. Rob * Tracking #: C3818D6E7A19954692F9577AE0DF9653CDB95C62 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question
I downloaded the atmel tools and noticed that there are more than just the ATMEL.DL file you will need. There are also some executables that it will need to be put into the Library\PLD directory. It also appears that the Atmel massaged version may have some of PEAKVHDL in it, which I would guess is to provide VHDL support, since PLD only does CUPL. Of course like most hardware vendor specific versions of software there may be added and deleted features, and little good support. I remember getting CUPL years ago free from Lattice and having it only work for the specific parts and features they had, even though the commercial version worked with lots of parts. On other free tools I have found things that the commercial version didn't do because the hardware manufacturer wouldn't let them. Rob * Tracking #: 08CE344383E4F64CA189E14846EA7CDAE41122E3 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question
The other file is in the Fitter update from Atmel, I think just unzipping it to the Library\PLD directory may be enough to get it to work. Rob "Jeff Stout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/12/2002 05:34:13 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question I found the Atmel.dl file use by WinCUPL and copied to Protel's PLD directory, and that worked too. However, it doesn't display the ATF15xx technology details if you know what I mean. There must be another file that needs to be patched. Jeff Stout - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question > > > If you look in the Design Explorer 99 SE\Library\PLD directory you will find the > files for Protel PLD including Atmel.DL which as I recall contains the info you > are looking for. I did this type of thing more than 2 years ago so I can't > remember exactly, but all CUPL files are there. At one point with Protel 99 PLD > was fighting me so much that I created the CUPL file in Protel than compiled it > with WINCUPL. Later with Protel 99 SE I compiled it fine. > > I just changed the ATMEL.DL file and the PLD configure options changed to match, > so I suspect this is the file you want to copy. > > > You might also try renaming the Protel PLD directory to something else then > copying the Atmel PLD directory over, so the full version of Protel uses the > Atmel Files. > > Rob > > * Tracking #: 1985E639390471478A4202BF433B83B700BBA588 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: converting protel drawings to otherformats
We just print them to Adobe Acrobat so everyone can view but not change the files Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the "reply" command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Printing to PDF...
PDFWriter works for me from Schematic, but then it was installed with Acrobat 4.0 so it may be a different version. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Windows 2000 Professional fatal exception errors
I suspect that the project was closed with a print preview window open. So when Protel starts up and goes to preview the page it asks the Windows printer driver for the Printer attributes. This causes the driver to try to ask the printer for it's settings to which there is no answer since the printer is off. Something doesn't recover well from this be it the printer driver or Protel. I have seen NT machines hang programs that tried to print to Network printers that were not available, so this is not necessarily Protel's fault. It would be nice if it recovered for Windows though. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Legend string problem
Could it be that you have fit to page turned on and the legend string is making it think it is going to need a lot of space? I have seen something similar because the legend makes the print routine think it needs a lot of area. Try just setting the print scale to 1:1. Rob Susan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/25/2001 01:38:33 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Protel EDA Forum' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Legend string problem Well, I see responses to 'Schematic Library Tips' thread but nothing regarding my problem. Is this such a non-issue for everyone as to not be worth the time...or what? I'm getting paranoid. Help please. Susan -Original Message- From: Susan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:18 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [PEDA] Legend string problem Hello All... Well, not everything's perfect. I'm using Protel 99SE Service Pack 6. I am suddenly having a problem with the legend string on my drill drawing. Previously (before SP6) when I printed my drill drawing with a legend string placed near the board I could print it at the same size and location as other prints showing the other layers. Now, the drill drawing is shown very small at the lower left of the page. If I remove the legend string from the .PCB and print again, the drill drawing becomes the same size as the print of the other layers. Has anyone else had this problem? I use this drawing for several purposes and would like it to be the same size as the other prints. Hope someone can shed light. TIA. Susan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Slow database query
I looked at the database stuff when they first added it and never used it since everthing we had at that job (and this one too) was in Access not dBase. I keep asking for an access link, but no sign of it yet. The ulitmate would be a parts picker that would query the company database and then put in the correct schematic part with all the correct fields filled in (pcb footprint, company part number, value, etc.). Now that would be a useful server for Protel to add. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Signal Integrity dialog locks up.
I've used the Signal intergrity utility and it was helpful and matched what I was seeing on the problem design I inherited. I wish the problem I currently have (1 buffer and 8 or 64 memory chips) could be run in it, but it would be difficult with two boards and a connector involved not to mention the design being done in an old version of PCAD. I have not had Protel hang in quite a while, and the last time I found was due to improper spice simulation values on parts in the schematic. I just pulled it up on a smaller design and nd ran some signals without any glitches or delays. I do wish it would just update the waveanalyzer everytime instead of opening a new window since I end up getting tons of windows. I have found that Protel is sensitive to DLL HELL, and I have had similar problems when using WIn9x with other programs written with Borland tools (delphi). At one point I found multiple versions of a Borland DLL were causing problems. I also had a plug in install go screwy and I ended up unistalling Protel and reinstalling. Sorry you're having such troubles. Have your checked the rest of your Windows Systems' integrity? And no I am not in love with Protel. I do feel it is the best value currently for a company doing small quantities and thus not able to justify $40K+ for two seats. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Public open-source PCB software. was-> Changes to the Protel company name
I thought Delphi was Pascal Prettified. You mean Delphi isn't Pascal? What is different and why is it so much better than C++? I've programmed in C, Assemblers, Basic, Visual Basic, Pascal and C++, and I would take C++ over the others for a large program in a heartbeat. C and assembler are good for embedded code on a microcontroller, and VB is great for doing prototypes or test programs. The only thing I found Pascal good for was what it was originally developed for, Teaching Programming. I did watch a friend try to get Borlands C++ Builder to work properly with an OCX he had worked on developing. It was so buggy when it came to importing DLLs that he and the customer both regretted their decision to use C++ builder instead of Visual C++. Rob "Rene Tschaggelar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/07/2001 05:50:28 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Public open-source PCB software. was-> Changes to the Protel company name There is no way to come up to speed on such a project in another language than delphi. Why are the competitiors blown to pieces, not because they were dummies, they used the wrong tools. The language must be efficient in development the IDE, meaning RAD has to be efficient. No C++, no nothing except delphi. Rene -- Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com chris mackensen wrote: > > > Perhaps another solution: now, I am not saying that Protel should open it's > code doors... we need to pay them money to give us tech support ;-)... > however, they should do a complete rewrite (start a new project in the RAD > environment, from scratch, borrowing some known good code from old and > current versions) and adopt some modern standards (like not using mutated > pascal/Delphi :-). That's my opinion... get rid of tinker toy Delphi... > (but leave it as an extensibility option for those so inclined)... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Router crashes (P99SE/SP6)
Have you tried moving the files to the local drive, disconnecting the network and logging in locally to the computer before running? I've had tasks that were using a shared drive hang for extended periods when the machine the share was on was turned off. At least remove the libraries from your project if they are going to be unavailable since from what I can tell Protel leaves them open whenever you have the server (PCB) running. Rob "Andy Gulliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/08/2001 05:44:41 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] Router crashes (P99SE/SP6) I'm having a bit of bother with the autorouter [cue cries of 'and you're surprised?']. Specifically, when I start it routing on a 3-4 hour job before heading home at the end of the day there's a high probability of client99se.exe not responding, with 100% CPU utilisation showing in Task Manager when I get in next day. All status/time messages are frozen, as is the whole of Client99SE, and of course it doesn't even backup the .pcb during the hour or so it actually runs. I'm running Protel (Proteum?) on a P3/800MHz with 384Mbyte RAM under Windoze 2000. Two possible clues are (a) after about 6pm the PC in the office with the shared directory containing our company Protel library files is shut down and (b) my PC gets an auto update of Sophos antivirus from our central server, this usually happens at least once overnight. I'd guess that the router doesn't need the libraries to be accessible, but the Sophos update could be significant. Can anyone shed any light on the cause (and hopefully fix for) this crash? Regards Andy Gulliver No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were significantly inconvenienced. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Delphi<- Public open-source PCB software. was<- Changes to the Protel company name
Interesting, as I understand it Delphi has the GUI advantages of Visual
Basic with a Pascal back end. I suppose if I had used Pascal in the last 10
years it would be something to look into for the simple GUI-driven apps I
do in VB, except you comment on DLLs and OCXs leads me to believe it is
better to stick to VB. Many of the test equipment I need to control to test
boards provide a DLL or OCX control to interface and control them. If
Delphi has the same problems with OCXs that I saw in BCB, talking to the
Test equipment would be much more difficult than it would be in VB.
My programmer friend acknowledged that VB was quicker to do a simple GUI
than VC++, but found that he could do a better final application in VC++ in
not much longer time. I have seen places use VB for the prototype GUI than
pull that into VC++ for the final app, and this seems to work great since
you can quickly and easily modify the GUI to be sure it works for the
customer, then it can be imported to VC++ and a good object oriented app
put behind it. He got really annoyed at BCB, because it tried to do things
for him and didn't do a good job, so he had to go back and fix it instead
of doing it right himself.
Oh well enough off subject. Anyone have a good way to fix a design that has
1 driver to drive 8 DRAM or 64 DRAM (56 on the daughter board). The
previous engineering group didn't buffer the signals on the optional memory
daughter board like they should have and now I have to make it work :-{
Rob
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Re: [PEDA] The Mysteries of Altium, Jeraldo investigates stay tuned.
I have seen these problems in the past with various windows apps besides protel. The font size thing can happen when resources get low and Win9x unloads fonts to get more resources. It now tries to give you a font close. The menu key stuff I have seen when the ALT or CTRL key gets stuck on. From what I can tell windows misses the keyup and thinks the key is still pressed. When I get things like this I hit the alt and ctrl keys about 5 times each and everything goes back to normal. I have seen this on Win9x and Win2k, and I suspect a driver issue is at fault. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Rotate components with drag tracks
The drill size editor was on Protel's download page. can't help on the others. Rob "Richard Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/08/2001 06:53:25 AM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: [PEDA] Rotate components with drag tracks Hi gurus, Can anyone tell me if there is a process i can assign to a button or key for toggling (T)ools/(P)references/Component drag (Connected Tracks/None) on Protel 99SE SP6 I am fed up moving components without tracks (just nets) and not being able to rotate them!!! then having to go all through the menus. Surely you should be able to rotate a component if its only got nets assigned and no tracks? Even Dos Cadstar could do this(and even with tracks connected too) oh, and I used to have a menu item in pcb (i think in edit) something like drill size editor that allowed me to see all drill sizes used and change accordingly. For some reason it has dissappeared, Anyone know where this process/server lives. i can't seem to find it anywhere. I realise these are dumb questions and appoligise profusely. (i am not worthy) ;-) Thanks Rich Thompson www.laney.co.uk * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
