Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I look at it this way:

First, if anyone really wants to do a little digging, it may be possible to 
learn through the congress-gonif, er, person's office who instigated the 
complaints against the operation.  

Second, and more importantly, despite the unjustified and undignified and 
totally political smear against Amateur Radio in general and the two KP5 ops in 
particular (even if they weren't named), this incident and the follow-ups is 
bringing to public scrutiny the manner in which the US F&WS has been 
"administering" Desecheo and Navassa.  

And isn't it, well, interesting that (as memory serves) K3LP and N3KS 
originally went there for job-related communications work, not just to operate, 
something that the congress-gonif's report didn't appear to really mention?

Also, as memory serves (Bernie please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm at work and 
don't have access to my info), didn't K3LP & N3KS get their permission to land 
and operate through another agency, not directly from F&WS?  And yet F&WS is 
getting the heat.  Very interesting.

As they say, stay tuned for further developments, film at 11.

73, ron w3wn
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Whoa!  Until some solid information comes forth that the KP1-KP5 project had a 
connection with the last KP5 trip, let's NOT drag them into this!

All we know is that someone, an amateur, complained.

We do NOT know who it is.

We do NOT know where she or he actually lives.

We do NOT know their connection, if any, to the congress-gonif.

We do NOT know whether or not they are an active amateur.

We do NOT know if they are an active DX'er... or anything else besides the 
propensity to kvetch.

And most importantly, we do NOT know if they have ANYTHING to do with the KP1-5 
project.  For all we know, if that project ever merits some success, this 
schmuck will complain about them too!

Enough poor souls are going to get dragged through the mud as it is.  Let's not 
add the innocent until and unless we KNOW that innocent they ain't!

73

From: Peter Dougherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu Jun 29 08:45:16 CDT 2006
To: Scott Manthe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Harpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers

At 09:22 AM 06/29/2006, Scott Manthe wrote:
>Like it or not, our politics drive our actions. And unfortunately, I 
>didn't bring politics in to this, Rep. Rahall did and  whoever 
>complained to him did.
>
>A short Google of Nick Rahall reveals he is a Congressman from West 
>Virginia. The Desecho Island ops said that someone from West 
>Virginia complained to their congressman. Does anyone besides me see 
>a connection? Does anyone else think this is one of the "real" 
>issues here? If there was no jealous, complaining ham, there would 
>be no mention of ham radio in the report.

I suppose that someone with a lot of time on their hands could 
ascertain the ZIP codes contained in the WV 3rd congressional 
district, do a Buckmaster or similar search and see if any known 
DXers with ties to the KP1-KP5 project come up




Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT 


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Is it a complete co-incidence?  I doubt it.  So OK, let's look at this one for 
a moment...

We know little if anything about the political slant of Rep. Rahall.  Nor do we 
know why he was the sponsor of the HR #5361.  Was he (or his staff) convinced 
by good arguments from the KP1-5 Project?  Was he concerned about why US 
citizens were banned from US territories under arbitrary policies?  Or was he 
just looking for an excuse to put F&WS under the microscope?  (And that's just 
a few possibilities, we can come up with a few thousand more, but you get the 
drift).

So, now the status of the Islands has been elevated to be on his (or his 
staff's) radar.  

Then comes a complaint from an unknown party about the recent KP5 op.  As I 
mentioned earlier, we know nothing induhvidual except that they claim to be a 
ham.  And we all know what happened after that.

IMHO, it DOES NOT neccesarily follow that there's a direct connection between 
the KP1-5 Project and the "Club Fed" blast.  

We don't know who the complaining amateur was, so we don't know if that person 
had a connection of any sort with the KP1-5 group; and if there was a 
connection, we don't know if the complaint was made by that person on their own 
behalf or the groups.  We DON'T KNOW, we can only speculate.

We also don't know the motives behind the "Club Fed" paper.  Yeah, yeah, sure, 
all on behalf of We The People, right?  Or was this a political salvo aimed at 
the Executive Branch, using the facts about the KP5 op as a thin disguise for 
political intrigue and tit-for-tat?

And I seem to recall reading last December and January, when some started 
pointing fingers at the KP1-5 Project, that they were pretty unhappy to be 
blamed for the shutdown.  I'm pretty sure that they denied any connection.  

I couldn't make Dayton this year (the good news, we close on the house at 4:00 
today!) so I didn't hear what anyone had to say.

I'm just saying that we can't assume that the KP1-5 group had a hand in these 
latest goings on, and we shouldn't be so hasty as to start pointing fingers 
until we have a lot more facts in hand.

73, ron w3wn

From: Michael Keane K1MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu Jun 29 09:37:35 CDT 2006
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers

At 09:22 AM 6/29/06, Scott Manthe wrote:
>Like it or not, our politics drive our actions. And unfortunately, I 
>didn't bring politics in to this, Rep. Rahall did and  whoever 
>complained to him did.

Just so everyone is aware of the amateur radio (not partisan) 
political connections at work here... It's can't be a complete 
coincidnce that Rep. Rahall (who is mentioned in the "Club Fed" 
report) happens to be the sponsor of H.R.  1183. The bill being 
lobbied for by the KP1/5 Project which would require the Secretary of 
the Interior to provide public access to the Navassa and Desecheo NRWs.





73,
Mike K1MK

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RE: [DX-CHAT] License

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Most ARRL VEC VE test sessions will process a renewal at no charge.  Your
renewal form goes in with the batch and on to the FCC.  [Unless it's a
Vanity call, in which case you have to pay the next 10 year Vanity fee,
right now $21.90.]

However:  You can log on to the FCC ULS web site (I don't have the URL handy
but it's accessible from www.fcc.gov) and take care of everything on-line in
a few minutes.  Very streamlined.  I had to wait a few hours (less than 4)
to have my password reset, then I got my Vanity app inputted within about 3
minutes.  Change of address last week didn't even take that long.

However:  If I remember correctly, you have to wait until about 90 days out
before renewing, so you don't have to worry about it until November.

As far as "some outfit in Texas" goes, or anyone else for that matter, why
pay anything for literally a few moments of logging in and checking a box or
two?  (I wonder sometimes if the former owner of that outfit, if it's the
one I think it is, ever gets bothered by what gets done in his name, er,
call... they had a rather outrageous ad, er, "news" post on QRZ.COM a few
weeks ago which offered to sell available vanity calls for somewhere around
$40-50 bucks a pop.  Which only proves that PT Barnum was not only right but
way ahead of his time)

73, ron w3wn
this way to the egress!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of WC7N
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:05 PM
To: DX-CHAT
Subject: [DX-CHAT] License


WOW just noticed that my license expires in February... It seems to me, by
the by am an old f..., that last time I got an e-mail from some outfit in
Texas that for a few bucks took care of it all for me.

Now, new generation, how does it work ?

Rod WC7N
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[DX-CHAT] Fw: CW operators needed.

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Here's an interesting little email that just crossed by desktop.  Not quite
sure what to make of it...

Incidently, this came to me via the WASH and WACOM club reflectors, where it
got cross posted from the Skyview RS reflector, and apparantly it first went
out to the Greater Pittsburgh VHF Society reflector.

73

-Original Message-
From: Juan Manfredi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jul 12, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: CW operators needed.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Mr. Colwell:


I am a medical student at the University of Pittsburgh, who is currently
conducting a summer research project in the laboratory of Dr. Fiez. She is a
professor in both the Psychology and Neuroscience departments.

A focus of our lab involves gaining a better understanding of language and
memory processing.  We have recently turned to Morse code as a potential
investigating tool due to its unique linguistic properties. Consequently,our
lab is examining the differences between processing Morse code and speech in
a simple memory task.

As you may already know, it is not easy to find people who are proficient
in Morse code.  For this reason, we believe that the Greater Pittsburgh VHF
Society may be a valuable resource that can help us recruit people with this
rare skill.  Your involvement would create a unique opportunity to
investigate this unexplored area of research.

We would greatly appreciate it if you would circulate this information to
all of your members. Participants will be compensated 25 dollars, and will
also be refunded for parking.  They will be asked to hear and remember
letters.  The duration of the study is approximately one hour and thirty
minutes. If there is interest, we can discuss any further details. Thank you
for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
Dalia Balsamo
718 LRDC
3939 O'Hara Street
Univ. of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA  15260
412-624-6898 (phone)

"Balsamo, Dalia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Juan J. Manfredi, Chair
Department of Mathematics
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA 15260

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RE: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

GL on your end of the trip Tom.

With any luck, I'll have an antenna operational at the new QTH by then!
That is, once I find where the coax was buried (in amongst the boxes, that
is), get a desk cleared off, unbury the rig...

...hey, at least Verizon was here today to get my Internet connection back
up & running.  Now, you could say the techs were lazy... instead of running
an Ethernet line from the basement demark to the computer, they "gave" me a
wireless USB adapter for the computer.  OK, so it's Part 15 802.11b, but RF
is RF, right?  

73, ron w3wn

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Of Tom Anderson
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:58 PM
To: Russell Kellam Jr
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T


Russell:

I'm scheduled to be one of the 4O3T ops the last week of operation.
 4O3T with a Texas accent hi hi.  I'll try to listen well up in the
general class band when I operate. Just listen for 4O3T with a Texus
twang.  Ghee haw!

73 de Tom, WW5L



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> Nice of the 4O3T guys to stay outside thge General Class portion of
> the bands on 40 & 20 meters. Luckily I got them on 17 meters very
> easily. 73 Russ W4UBC
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RE: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Ummm... I'm not so sure.  I never had problems on 20 (or any other band for
that matter) at either of my past 2 QTH's from the network.  Granted, at the
old house, I was running 10Base-2 (that's supposed to be RG-58, as you
know... I ran RG-8X, got more than one argument from some other IT pros that
"you can't do that, it can't possibly work" but that's another story) from
the shack upstairs and 10Base-T everywhere else.  My TS-140 is a touch flaky
on 20, but I think that's a rig issue, not a networking issue.

Funny thing, they put the wireless router in the basement, about 15 feet
diagonally away from the computer (the computer is in a 2 room addition on
the back of the house, but the previous owners didn't bother to extend the
basement).  Granted, there's some walls and such there, but I'd still have
expected better than a 42 throughput.

N3ZK had offered to come over and help me do some wiring in the house.  Had
hoped to do it before the move-in, but neither of our schedules permitted.
Randy doesn't have a problem with crawl spaces, unlike the Verizon guys.
I'd rather run the wiring anyway... for that matter, almost all of my
Ethernet cards are Etherlink III 10BaseT combo cards, so I can always go
back to a coax run for the network.  Now in which box did I stash those
terminators and BNC T connectors? 

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Peter Dougherty
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:53 PM
To: Ron Notarius W3WN; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T


At 11:36 PM 07/24/2006, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>GL on your end of the trip Tom.
>
>With any luck, I'll have an antenna operational at the new QTH by then!
>That is, once I find where the coax was buried (in amongst the boxes, that
>is), get a desk cleared off, unbury the rig...
>
>...hey, at least Verizon was here today to get my Internet connection back
>up & running.  Now, you could say the techs were lazy... instead of running
>an Ethernet line from the basement demark to the computer, they "gave" me a
>wireless USB adapter for the computer.  OK, so it's Part 15 802.11b, but RF
>is RF, right?  

Actually, they probably did you a big favour, to be honest. Networks
using unshielded Cat-5 can do some fun stuff to 20m, especially right
around 14212 & 14273 at this QTH. If I ever get abmitious here I'll
go 802.11g throughout the house and just hope I don't have to do
massive file transfers any more.




Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT


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Re: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

DSL?  Oh no, I'm sorry, I should have been more specific.

I had DSL for a year 2 years ago.  Then Verizon rewired the local area for 
fiber, so I've been on FIOS for the last year.

Now Verizon has it's faults -- boy, does it have it's faults! -- but in my DSL 
package, I got 4 line filters.  Come to think of it, when I installed Business 
DSL at a couple of insurance firms last year, they got a bunch of line filters 
too, even though they didn't end up needing them.  Sounds like SBC doesn't have 
their act together.

The line filters are needed for DSL because they piggyback (for lack of a 
better term) the DSL digital signal on your phone line.  (Think of them as a 
low pass filter! )  Without the filters, you WILL have carrier hum on the 
phone line.  Then there's a separate (high pass) filter that separates the data 
signal from the analog phone traffic.

Actually, if you can do it, the best thing to do is to put the two filters at 
the demark box.  That way, you can filter the DSL out of your phone system 
right at the start, and you can then run a separate data stream from the same 
point.  The only advantage to doing it the other way -- ie a filter on each 
phone and at the data jack for the router -- is that you can easily move the 
computer to another room without major rewiring.

Funny thing about the two Verizon techs yesterday.  Both seemed to be nice 
guys, very knowledgable.  I had DirecTV over at the same time to move that 
service, the Verizon guys bent over backwards to work with him -- even drilled 
him a new hole for the dual-RG6 feed cables, loaned him some drill bits, helped 
him route his cables.  But they wouldn't run an Ethernet cable up to the 
computer.  Also wouldn't mount the wireless router on the wall were I wanted, 
instead put it on a desk (that's moving as soon as I get a chance to rearrange 
the basement) about 3 feet lower and 4 feet farther than where I wanted.  Oh 
well, I'll just have to move it myself!

If SBC is being a pain, screw'em.  But get a broadband connection as soon as 
you can.  Compared to our old dial-up service (FYI Networks), the cost 
difference is roughly $10 a month, we get more mailboxes, faster connections, 
and 24/7 access.  It's actually cheaper for the FIOS service than it was for a 
2nd phone line, like we had at the old house years ago.

Of course, they've had DSL capabilities for years, and could charge a heck of a 
lot less if they wanted to, but don't get me started on THAT rant!

73, ron w3wn

From: Tom Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/07/25 Tue AM 08:20:53 CDT
To: Ron Notarius W3WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T

Ron:

GL on the DSL.  I had SBC DSL for one day last spring and they so messed 
up both my phone lines with the DSL hum or whatever it is that  I had 
them take it out the next day and got 0 help from their technical 
service people, like somehow I caused the problem.  They said if I 
wanted any filters I had to buy them they weren't going to do anything 
about it.  Then after returning everything in THEIR return box and 
shipping label they tried to accuse me of  stealing their modem, etc.  I 
told them to check with their returns department because I sure as heck 
didn't have it and if they continued to send me letters, make 
accusations, put it on my monthly phone bill, etc. I would see them at 
the courthouse or at least file a complaint with the Public Utility 
Commission or the FCC.The PUC or FCC complaint probably wouldn't do 
any good, but at least one of their attorneys would have to answer it, 
maybe.

73 de Tom, WW5L



Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:

>GL on your end of the trip Tom.
>
>With any luck, I'll have an antenna operational at the new QTH by then!
>That is, once I find where the coax was buried (in amongst the boxes, that
>is), get a desk cleared off, unbury the rig...
>
>...hey, at least Verizon was here today to get my Internet connection back
>up & running.  Now, you could say the techs were lazy... instead of running
>an Ethernet line from the basement demark to the computer, they "gave" me a
>wireless USB adapter for the computer.  OK, so it's Part 15 802.11b, but RF
>is RF, right?  
>
>73, ron w3wn
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
>Of Tom Anderson
>Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:58 PM
>To: Russell Kellam Jr
>Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
>Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T
>
>
>Russell:
>
>I'm scheduled to be one of the 4O3T ops the last week of operation.
> 4O3T with a Texas accent hi hi.  I'll try to listen well up in the
>general class band when I operate. Just listen for 4O3T with a Texus
>twang.  Ghee haw!
>
>73 de Tom, WW5L
>
>
>
>Russell Kellam Jr wrote:
>
>  
>

RE: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Under the existing DXCC rules (aka DXCC 2000), there was originally a rule
that permitted recognizing a new or existing entity if there was an existing
IARU society.  The purpose of that rule, IMHO, was to keep Hong Kong and
Macau on the list once administration of those two territories were turned
back over to the People's Republic of China.

As it turns out, ironically, Hong Kong and Macau remain pretty much
autonomous (although not 100% so), so if that was the purpose of the rule,
it was unneccesary.

The unintentional side effect was the creation of several new entities by
creation of an IARU society -- Ducie for one comes to mind, which followed
from the creation of the Pitcairn Is IARU society.  Consider that at least
one of these IARU groups was created solely to in turn create a DXCC entity,
and appear to otherwise be inactive groups (if not total shams).  So I for
one was not upset when the rule in question was removed.  However, as you
will recall, the previous KH8SI group was more than a little upset, since
they were in the process of trying to set up their "American Samoa ARA" to
be another IARU society... which in and of itself is another story.

So now we have another rule change which permits redefinition of certain
entities into political entities.  Did we need this rule change?  I don't
know... I never heard any discussion of a rule change either, it was just
suddenly announced, and there it was.

And almost simultaneously, application is made for Swain's Island to be a
new one, it's approved, and here comes the KH8SI team for another go.

Coincidence?

I have nothing per se against a new entity.  It's the process that bothers
me.  I'm in favor of open discussion and debate.  Now I'm not saying that
anything wrong was done... but I dislike an appearance of impropriety, and
right now, there is (IMHO) such an appearance.

In the future, I believe open discussion of rules changes should be
undertaken prior to new rules being adopted.

73, ron w3wn

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
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Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:42 AM
To: Dx-Chat
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule


Just wondering why DXCC changed the rules to seemingly create one new
country for JA1BK.  I didn't hear anything about rule change discussion
until rules were changed.  Reminds me of the Okino Torishima situation...
73,
Barry

--

Barry Kutner, W2UP
Newtown, PA

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Oh?  I find that interesting.

I never saw anything online or in print about it until it happened.

Visalia is a very small subset of active DX'ers.  So are Dayton attendees
for that matter.

As far as the DXAC, well, I couldn't tell you the last time I _ever_ heard a
peep from the Atlantic Division DXAC rep, and I've been DX'ing for close to
30 years.  That is another story.

73

-Original Message-
From: David Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:38 PM
To: Ron Notarius W3WN; Dx-Chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule


This rule has been discussed many times.  At the Visalia DX Convention for
example, Wayne Mills talked about it at length before a very large crowd of
DXers.  He even ask for a show of hands from those who would like to see
some new additions to the list.  The response was overwhelmingly positive.
Rule changes are one reason we have a DX Advisory Committee made up of every
day good DXers.  The DXAC was in favor of this rule change.  Maybe those who
are unhappy should contact their DXAC member.
Dave - K4SSU


- Original Message -
From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dx-Chat" 
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule


> Under the existing DXCC rules (aka DXCC 2000), there was originally a rule
> that permitted recognizing a new or existing entity if there was an
> existing
> IARU society.  The purpose of that rule, IMHO, was to keep Hong Kong and
> Macau on the list once administration of those two territories were turned
> back over to the People's Republic of China.
>
> As it turns out, ironically, Hong Kong and Macau remain pretty much
> autonomous (although not 100% so), so if that was the purpose of the rule,
> it was unneccesary.
>
> The unintentional side effect was the creation of several new entities by
> creation of an IARU society -- Ducie for one comes to mind, which followed
> from the creation of the Pitcairn Is IARU society.  Consider that at least
> one of these IARU groups was created solely to in turn create a DXCC
> entity,
> and appear to otherwise be inactive groups (if not total shams).  So I for
> one was not upset when the rule in question was removed.  However, as you
> will recall, the previous KH8SI group was more than a little upset, since
> they were in the process of trying to set up their "American Samoa ARA" to
> be another IARU society... which in and of itself is another story.
>
> So now we have another rule change which permits redefinition of certain
> entities into political entities.  Did we need this rule change?  I don't
> know... I never heard any discussion of a rule change either, it was just
> suddenly announced, and there it was.
>
> And almost simultaneously, application is made for Swain's Island to be a
> new one, it's approved, and here comes the KH8SI team for another go.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> I have nothing per se against a new entity.  It's the process that bothers
> me.  I'm in favor of open discussion and debate.  Now I'm not saying that
> anything wrong was done... but I dislike an appearance of impropriety, and
> right now, there is (IMHO) such an appearance.
>
> In the future, I believe open discussion of rules changes should be
> undertaken prior to new rules being adopted.
>
> 73, ron w3wn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
> Of Barry
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:42 AM
> To: Dx-Chat
> Subject: [DX-CHAT] Why the new DXCC rule
>
>
> Just wondering why DXCC changed the rules to seemingly create one new
> country for JA1BK.  I didn't hear anything about rule change discussion
> until rules were changed.  Reminds me of the Okino Torishima situation...
> 73,
> Barry
>
> --
>
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> Newtown, PA
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RE: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Why do they do it?

Two reasons:

(1)  Some don't know better.  They were never shown the ropes, or they've 
learned by observing, and unfortunately, they've observed bad examples.

(2)  It works.  I've been in too many pileups, over the years, where the DX has 
said "the Alpha Whiskey" or "the W N 3 only," several totally unrelated calls 
have come back, and he WORKED them instead of trying for me (or whomever) 
again.  So the learned behavior is to call on any partial call, even unrelated, 
because too many DX will work the loudest signal coming back.

Oh yes, there's a third reason.  It has to do with the inherent nature of 
certain DX hogs themselves, but in order to accurately describe this type, I'd 
have to use language that isn't permitted on this reflector.

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Jim Reisert AD1C
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 11:21 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?


It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups
this weekend (mostly SSB).

When the DX station says, "The station with 7 in the call, ending in
Germany" why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to
call?  When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the
pileup size diminish only by half, rather than "all but one"?  It
makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked
because so many others are still calling.

The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn
callers.  When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX
station.  Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI.

It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend.  My QSO with KH8SI on 17
meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call
(presumably because of all the people still calling).  That's TWO MORE
possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers.

OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR
THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE!

73 - Jim AD1C

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Out of turn callers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Chuck,
 
While 
I agree with you that blacklisting is a little extreme (whether or not extreme 
measures are warranted being another issue), I disagre with you that it's pure 
competition.
 
When 
the DX calls "CQ" or "QRZ," that's one thing.  Free for all, may the best 
signal win.  Fair enough.
 
But 
when the DX calls "Ones only" or "The station ending Papa Tango only," that's 
different.  If you're not in the subset being called, you shouldn't be 
transmitting.  Period.  That's simply good operating practice.  
And we're required to use good operating 
practices.  (And if it's not required, it should be done 
anyway).
 
DX'ing 
is competition, but there is or was also a level of sportsmanship 
involved.  Simple courtesy.  Gentlemanly behavior.  If you're not 
called or asked to stand by, don't call and stand by.
 
Sadly, 
we have a few too many DX'ers with the "anything goes" and "all out war" and 
related attitudes.  Now think for a moment about what this means.  
What good does it be to be the biggest and baddest DX'er on the block, who can 
wipe out a pileup at will, if it gets you the reputation of a rude, obnoxious 
jerk (and stronger words that can not be used on this reflector).  What 
good is it to be "the best" if you're also despised in the process?  

 
Just 
look at professional sports... Barry Bonds and Terrel Owens are two good 
examples of what I'm talking about.  They are or were amongst the best of 
the best of the best in their sports. and they are close to universally despised 
as jerks, low-lifes, and generally poor people.  If they play for the team 
you root for, you might cheer them on the field, but would really want one of 
these egomaniacs in your home visiting with your family?   And when 
they leave their sports for good, how will they be remembered?  For their 
accomplishments?  Sure, but with an asterix because of HOW they played the 
game.  
 
Or 
think of our own hobby.  To all but the newest DX'ers, there are certain 
names that immediately bring up an infamous rememberence.  For example, 
"Romeo."  Or "Dr. Don Miller."  Arguably one of the best 
operators of their days, but what they did will forever tarnish their 
reputations.  
 
I 
remember a few years ago when there was a particular African station who was on 
80 CW for a few weeks, trying to work US and VE stations.  The window of 80 
for him (for a variety of reasons) was under a half hour every night.  Yet 
every night, there was always one station who just HAD to work him, and work him 
first, every night.  Ignoring him just meant the pileup got 
frustrated.  Why did he do it?  As I remember, the word back from 
someone who asked him boiled down to "because I can!"  How sad that he was 
so out of self-control that he had to prove his self-worth every night, 
regardless of the cost.
 
Poor 
operating practices should neither be recognized nor rewarded.  

 
And 
personally, I wouldn't blacklist someone per se.  But I'd make a note of 
the call, as mistakes and accidents and propagation shifts and misunderstandings 
happen.  Persistant offenders, thnough, might just have to wait awhile 
for their ultimate reward (ie a QSL card).
 
73, 
ron w3wn

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chuck 
  DegardSent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:29 PMTo: 
  dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] Out of turn 
  callers
   Come on guys. This is supposed to be hobby.
   
   The blacklist thing is nonsense. You open yourselves up to 
  potential lawsuits. Who can say for sure that the "bad" caller is using his 
  real call. 
   
  So, if you want to blacklist someone, just use their 
  call.
   
  Just look at the spots and announcements. Is BOZO a real 
  call?
   
   I agree with Linda Sumner and it's competition (who can 
  beat or out fox the pile).
   
   As all of you "DXers" know, some operators take tail-enders 
  or stations a little off the current listening frequency. That's part of the 
  chase. How is the operator taking calls? I listen and follow the operators 
  lead.
   
  Enough said!
   
   
  Best 
regards,Chuck-K7PT

Re: [DX-CHAT] Needed band-countries

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Offhand, I don't know of anything... and it's something that may vary from 
DX'er to DX'er anyway.

The closest thing that comes to mind is the DX Bulleting annual survey showing 
the 100 most wanted, overall and by regions.  But by bands too?  I don't recall 
if it shows that.

Perchance the best thing to do is to publish a tentative schedule, saying about 
when you plan to be on which bands.  Which of course won't satisfy DX'er X when 
he tells you that band Y is open from you to him RIGHT NOW, so drop the pileup 
and QSY to take care of his needs NOW.

Enjoy the trip anyway.  And if I can get the antenna up at the new QTH in the 
next few days, I'll work you anyway no matter where you are... I need FP under 
the new call everywhere! 

73, ron w3wn

(PS to all: yes, I know my old WN3VAW QSO's still count, or would if I ever get 
around to submitting the cards; that was supposed to be a little levity!)

From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/08/01 Tue PM 12:02:28 CDT
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Needed band-countries



Hi folks,
Is there any information published anywhere for DXCC countries regarding what 
band/modes are needed to different places? Or is just the overall need for an 
all time new one all that is available?
Going to a not-so-rare country, the question arises- Operate on 20 where I can 
get lots of contacts but hardly anyone really needs it, or call cq till blue in 
the face on other bands where it is needed, but no one tunes? I hate to be 
asked a million times on twenty- when are you going to be on?, but then when 
you are there are no callers.
Just thought it would be nice to be able to tell where the actual need is.
73,
Duane, WV2B {FP/WV2B soon}

"The reward of a thing well done is to have done it."- 
Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Re: [DX-CHAT] KH8SI news

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Beam me up, Scotty?

Perhaps the message was relayed via Japan?

I'm sure we'll find out eventually.

73, ron w3wn


From: John Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/08/02 Wed AM 10:33:26 CDT
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KH8SI news

 From Bernie W3UR:

>. The below email is from Kan, who is back in Japan.

So how did Kan get off Swain's Island and back to Japan? Guess the 
boat made a special R/T to Pago Pago for him, while the other guys 
stayed there.

John, NT5C.
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Re: [DX-CHAT] 1B/G7PAF

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well, 1B is certainly not a normal prefix for Cyprus (but 5B is).  So that's a 
warning flag right there.

What entity is 1B/G7PAF claiming to be operating from?

73

From: Kenneth Sobel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/08/04 Fri AM 08:19:41 CDT
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Subject: [DX-CHAT] 1B/G7PAF

Is it correct that 1B/G7PAF does not count as a separate dxcc entity and 
does not even count for Cyprus? 


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Re: [DX-CHAT] 1B/G7PAF

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

That's pretty much what I figured, but since the original post didn't specify...

That settles the issue, though.  Since TRNC isn't recognized as a DXCC entity, 
the operation doesn't count as anything for DXCC purposes.

73

From: Zack Widup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/08/04 Fri AM 10:44:51 CDT
To: Ron Notarius W3WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 1B/G7PAF


That would be Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.  I have several cards 
from previous operations there.  I consider them novelty items.  :-)

73, Zack W9SZ

On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:

> Well, 1B is certainly not a normal prefix for Cyprus (but 5B is).  So that's 
> a warning flag right there.
> 
> What entity is 1B/G7PAF claiming to be operating from?
> 
> 73

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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we ma ke better international DXers?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Gentlemen,

Again, we're drifting way off topic here.

While the current discussion may or may not be of interest, this reflector is 
not the place for it, OK?

73, ron w3wn, administrator
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From: lmecseri -KE1F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/08/04 Fri AM 11:17:48 CDT
To: LA5HE Ragnar Otterstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: petethepup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT]  How do we make better international  DXers?

No Rag, it dictatorship of the minority.

Democracy would be if the U.S. had 300 million votes, LA land 5 million? 
and BY land 2,000 million?.

73  Lou/KE1F  Ex HA5

LA5HE Ragnar Otterstad wrote:

>I believe it is democracy in practice.  one country one vote
>, I believe.
>
>Anybody knows out there ?
>
>73  Rag LA5HE
>
>
>
>
>On the other hand, ISO technical standards (INTERNATIONAL Standard 
>Organization) are generated by European votes. So, is ISO an European or 
>International standard?  Or, Who got the gold makes the golden rule!
>
>73s
>
>Lou/KE1F
>
>petethepup wrote:
>
>  
>
>>>That reminds me of the American  " World series " of a game not 
>>>played anywhere else but in NA !
>>>  
>>>
>>And Miss Universe is always won by someone from planet Earth.
>>
>>Credit to Letterman for that one.
>>
>>N8UX
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Computing Unplugged Magazine BPL Article

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Fred,

I got errors on the complete link you showed, but once I went to the "home" 
page itself [http://www.computingunplugged.com/], I could see all the articles, 
including the one you cited.

Interesting.  Nice op-ed piece from N3OH explaining the "other" side of things, 
too.

Of course, in the editor's "controversy heats up" piece, he has to include a 
few put-downs.  "Weird antennas," "strange call signs," and my favorite, "some 
of them claim broadband over powerline radiates."  Now let's think about that 
one for a moment... we're get knocked for pointing out that the Emperor is 
wearing no clothes?  But no, the editor isn't BIASED or anything.

"We were prepared to mock the ham radio operators as being so last century."  

If you can win them over on the facts, humiliate them until they shut up and go 
away?  Grrr.

73, ron w3wn


From: Fred Stevens K2FRD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/08/14 Mon AM 10:06:55 CDT
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Computing Unplugged Magazine BPL Article

I think any ham who is concerned about the future of our hobby should 
read this article in Computing Unplugged Magazine on Broadband Over 
Powerline (BPL).
http://www.computingunplugged.com/issues/issue200608/1818001.html .
Be sure to click onto "home"  http://www.computingunplugged.com/ to 
view the other BPL articles.

While the series' intent is to present a "fair and balanced" 
summation of the controversy, it has to date been somewhat one-sided 
on the side of BPL and needs more input from ham radio's viewpoint. I 
have already submitted a lengthy message-article to the editor, 
received a favorable response from him, and will now have to update,
clarify, and document my article for possible future publication. I 
am certain there
are others who are far more technically oriented than I who might 
also think to submit a well-written letter (email message) to 
Computing Unplugged Magazine, especially if you have had firsthand 
experience with BPL interference.

-- 
73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS
http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Computing Unplugged Magazine BPL Article

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I no longer have any doubt that the editor of this publication is biased.  

The following paragraph was on the page right after the comment box ""... 
willing to look at, and print, both sides. Fair reporting at its best.""

And I quote [see "Why are we giving BPL all this coverage" from 
http://www.computingunplugged.com/]:

"Follow the money
We're still trying to figure this one out. From all we know of the FCC and 
their desire to protect the radio spectrum, I have some trouble accepting the 
claims of the ham operators. It seems to me that it's likely to have been 
doubtful that the FCC would approve this technology if it was broadcasting as 
intensely as the hams claim.

Whenever there's a dispute this strong, I always look to where the money 
interests are. We know where the interests of the BPL advocates are. After all, 
they have chips, equipment, and services to sell. They have a clean, apparent 
reason for pushing their agenda.

I'm not so sure about the ARRL. The ARRL is a membership organization, but it's 
also a very well-connected political organization as well. How many of the ham 
radio operators who contacted us experienced problems on their own and how many 
just read the lobbying documents provided by the ARRL in the organization's 
magazine?

Who's funding the ARRL? Do the cable providers and DSL providers have an 
interest in this debate? After all, BPL is a direct competitor to cable modems 
and DSL services. Or is this truly the case of one technology interfering with 
another?

Frankly, if it were just ham radio operators unable to play with their toys, 
this debate would be a non-issue. Ham radio is really a technology of the 20th 
Century. It was exciting back then when you couldn't call any country easily 
except with a ham radio. It was exciting when you couldn't talk to anyone when 
they were out and about unless they had an operator's license"

Un freaking believable.  

Now if I read this correctly, the author is implying... perhaps "smearing" 
would be more precise... that the ARRL is against BPL because of hidden funding 
from DSL and cable providers.  And we don't know any better.  

Keep in mind that the ARRL has said countless times, and I'm paraphrasing here, 
that the issue wasn't BPL, it was QRM from the early BPL test configurations.  
And ARRL has been cooperating with one BPL variant (from Motorola if I recall 
correctly) which has proven to date to NOT cause interference.  But I guess 
it's just easier as to brand the League, and all of us, as the old geezers who 
won't get out of the way.  Don't bother with the little details, you know, like 
the facts.

G.

73
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Computing Unplugged Magazine BPL Article

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well, it is early in the day yet.

I plan on writing something to the editor; I just don't want to do it right now 
while my dander is up.  Can't very well expect the editor/author to stick to 
"fair and balanced" reporting unless I try to do it myself...

What's really sad is the implication, on face value, of his libel (and that's 
what it is, IMHO):  The primary, if not sole, reason that the ARRL is opposed 
to BPL is because they must have been paid off to do so by BPL's commercial 
competitors.  So if we're not for you, we must have been bribed to be against 
you?

Oh, as far as the lobbyist thing goes, I thought the League did have someone in 
DC to represent our interests.  But I don't recall the details, and hesitate to 
comment further without them.  (Hopefully someone more in touch with that than 
I am can get you more specific and accurate information).  

By the way, do take note that the author/editor indicates at one point that he 
was once interested in amateur radio and getting a license.  Makes one wonder 
why he didn't, and whether or not he has some ulterior motive in his little 
smear there.

73

-
From: Fred Stevens K2FRD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/08/14 Mon PM 02:52:45 CDT
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Computing Unplugged Magazine BPL Article

The "Follow The Money" section incensed me and was the basic inspiration for my 
long email to the Editor. His innuendoes and insinuations were way out of line, 
so I answered them point by point and took him to task for making such 
accusations which border on libel.

As it turns out, the Editor responded in a very positive manner to my message, 
requested permission to publish it which I granted with the proviso that he may 
do so if I clarify, update, and document some of my statements (I needed to 
confirm that the ARRL does not have any fulltime lobbyists nor office in DC and 
to track down the League's grassroots program which I have done, among several 
other things including the fact that BPL CAN be made to be interference-free as 
evidenced by the Motorola BPL installation at League HQ) and that the ARRL's 
Annual Report is online showing that it does not receive funds from DSL and 
cable providers. I have until Wednesday to finish the document, so have dropped 
a few projects to concentrate on the article. It won't be my best work since I 
usually spend weeks on articles for publication. However, the Editor is also 
very active in Boy Scouting (with which I compare the ARRL's non-lobbying 
efforts and general lack of political influence and controversy).

I had presumed Computing Unplugged would be swamped by ham responses to his 
article and am still hoping that others with more expertise and different 
perspectives than I will send more technical and debate information. I am also 
going through recent back issues of QST looking for "buzzwords", position 
papers (there's a good one by Frank Fallon N2FF and the League's grassroots 
lobbying effort) and additional information along with an emphasis on the 
politicalization of BPL at the FCC and NTIA levels.

Oh, the original link may have unwrapped resulting in a 404 error. Here it is 
again:

http://www.computingunplugged.com/issues/issue200608/1818001.html .

Back to work.

73 de Fred K2FRD

At 10:50 AM -0500 14/8/06, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>I no longer have any doubt that the editor of this publication is biased.
>
>The following paragraph was on the page right after the comment box ""... 
>willing to look at, and print, both sides. Fair reporting at its best.""
>
>And I quote [see "Why are we giving BPL all this coverage" from 
>http://www.computingunplugged.com/]:
>
>"Follow the money
>We're still trying to figure this one out. From all we know of the FCC and 
>their desire to protect the radio spectrum, I have some trouble accepting the 
>claims of the ham operators. It seems to me that it's likely to have been 
>doubtful that the FCC would approve this technology if it was broadcasting as 
>intensely as the hams claim.
>
>Whenever there's a dispute this strong, I always look to where the money 
>interests are. We know where the interests of the BPL advocates are. After 
>all, they have chips, equipment, and services to sell. They have a clean, 
>apparent reason for pushing their agenda.
>
>I'm not so sure about the ARRL. The ARRL is a membership organization, but 
>it's also a very well-connected political organization as well. How many of 
>the ham radio operators who contacted us experienced problems on their own and 
>how many just read the lobbying documents provided by the ARRL in the 
>organization's magazine?
>
>Who's funding the ARRL? Do the cable provid

Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition support

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Didn't this used to be a pet peeve of KH2D's?  Seems I've heard this complaint 
before...

Problem is, there's DXpeditions and then there's DXpeditions.  

If someone is planning a nice two week jaunt around the Caribean or similar 
area, operating in between applications of sun screen at the hotel pool, well 
no, I don't feel real obligated to help pay for the trip.  Return postage for 
the card is one thing, but the trip?  That's your holiday or vacation, it 
should come out of your pocket.

But then there's trips like K1B, 3Y0, VX0LIX, etc.  These aren't vacations.  
These are truly expeditions to the remoter reaches of the globe, to activate 
these rare spots for The Deserving (and the rest of us poor schlubs too).  I 
don't mind helping out with the costs of these with a small donation, when I 
can.  

Where do you draw the line?  Aye, there's the rub.

73, ron w3wn

- Original Message 
From: Charles Harpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Wednesday, 23 August, 2006 9:55:15 AM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition support

The remark about a guy wanting hams to pay for his vacation via DXpedition 
donations, brings me to a comment I have thot abt for a long time:  Today, 
much of  DXpeditioning is only for the rich... rich enuf to finance the 
trip, and enuf to be off work (or retired) for the duration.  That is a sad 
situation because I have encountered several possible "wanted entity" 
DXpeditions that could not happen because the key person(s) could not afford 
to spend personal funds to make the trip.

So, much as I dislike funding someone's vacation, there is often a 
difference and I fully understand that some of us hams are in a vy gud 
position (via contacts or location or whatever) to go to some highly wanted 
entities, but simply lack the funds to do so.  I know that I feel somewhat 
ashamed to ask for donations,  loaner gear and other help for my 
DXpeditions, but it is do that or not activate the entity..

I do not know the answer but hope a small discussion about this matter can 
bring out some good ideas.  tnx and 73

Charles Harpole
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RE: [DX-CHAT] QSL METHODS

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

The 
confirmed perecentage for Logbook of the World will go up in time, as more 
amateurs use it.
 
There 
is a perception that signing up for LotW is extremely difficult, and certain 
parties berate everyone on this score.  (I think the biggest complaint is 
that signing up for LotW is considered, right or wrong, to be more difficult 
than getting on-line access to your bank or credit card accounts.  Which I 
think says more about the lack of security on too many banking and credit 
systems, but that's another story).  While the sign-up procedure could be 
streamlined, I never found it onerous.  
 
Many 
DX stations complain that they dislike having to send the ARRL proof of license, 
something not required of US amateurs -- but that's because the US amateurs are 
listed in the ULS, and many overseas government licensing authorities don't 
maintain a system anywhere near as detailed or effective as the FCC ULS 
is.  And, of course, some DX don't have access to the Internet, or even a 
computer system, both of which make LotW a moot point for them.  (And yes, 
there are many volunteers to act as QSL managers for these stations, or to help 
them upload their logs, but that's getting off the main point).  Funny 
thing is, many of these stations have AG status on the eQSL.cc system, which 
also requires sending in proof of license... makes you wonder, how come it's no 
problem when it's someone else's system, but a big problem when the system 
belongs to the ARRL?  (And by funny coincidence, many of these complaining 
are firmly in the anti-ARRL camp, but I guess we're not supposed to notice 
that?  Ooops, I'm digressing, there I go again...)
 
The 
thing is, once you've signed up for LotW, you're done.  You just have to 
renew the certificate periodically (currently every 3 years, I believe), all of 
which can be done electronically or on-line.
 
Give 
it time.  
 
73, 
ron w3wn

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of John 
  MaikischSent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:42 PMTo: 
  dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] [dx-chat] QSL 
  METHODS
  I was just sending out some DX 
  QSL cards and did some quick calculations on percent return for my effort. Now 
  these are my numbers and my opinion and certainly may not reflect the  
  ham community in general.
   
  The terms I use are:
   
  PRICE = what it costs me to get a 
  card
  USAGE = my uninformed guess at how many 
  DX hams use this method
  TIME = how long it takes me to get a 
  confirmation
  CONVENIENCE = how easy it is for me to use this 
  method
  % QSO's CONFIRMED = how many of my total 
  DX QSO's have been confirmed by this method
   
  By the way, I QSL 100% all DX 
  QSO's. All by the Bureau and also LOTW. Direct only for those I deem important 
  for some reason and I include SASE, postage and contribution when 
  appropriate.
   
  The numbers are:
   
  LOTW - price= cheapest, usage = not many, time = 
  fastest method, convenience = OK but could be better, % QSO's confirmed < 
  10%
   
  BUREAU - price = reasonable, usage = most, time = 
  years, convenience = easiest to use, % QSO's confirmed ~ 33%
   
  DIRECT - price = very expensive (but if you need 
  the card?), usage = most DX  will respond to a direct request, time = 
  weeks to months but never years, convenience = a lot of work, % QSO's 
  confirmed = I get return on 99% of cards I send out direct
   
  Maybe this is not worth the 
  bandwidth I used but as N2ERN says I am just wasting a few electrons 
  not some trees.
   
  I know that a lot of DX stations do not like LOTW 
  for some reasons but it sure can makes my life easier.
   
   
  73, John - 
K2AZ

RE: [DX-CHAT] distaste for America especially after 9/11

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Yes, there is no place for this part of the thread on this reflector.
Please discontinue further discussion of this.

73, ron w3wn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of nick cominos
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:20 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] distaste for America especially after 9/11


However, and I know this is no place for this, his comment about America
having little standing in the rest of the world


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RE: [DX-CHAT] QSL METHODS

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Ummm... Charles, I think you've put some words in my mouth here.

I didn't address "difficulty of use," just alleged difficulty in signing up
for it.  Not the same thing.  And as far as that goes, I've uploaded both
via email and via the web, on dial-up, DSL, and FIOS... never had a problem.
Even with larger files.

When ham radio is more secure than banks, where have we gone?  In this age
of identity theft, the issue to me is not that LotW is very secure, it's
that the banks aren't secure enough -- which is another issue altogether.

Limited English?  I don't recall saying anything about language!

Dislike for America?  I am not going to argue about the politics of the
current administration.  That has no place on this reflector.  But to blame
the individual citizens (or their ham radio society) for the perceived ills
of it's government is not only wrong, IMHO, but an excuse.

I'm sorry, my friend, but none of these issues were in my original email.
If you want to discuss them, within the rules of this reflector, fine -- but
don't attribute them as answers to things I didn't say.

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Charles Harpole
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] QSL METHODS


Ron, ur answer does not address my list of reasons why DX does not use
lbotw... re:

No computer... that does it... end of story which u acknowledged, but
-long upload times and expense... no answer
-difficulty of use... ur answer is just keep trying until u get it... not a
good answer to busy guys who have no real stake in sending the data
anyway
-when ham radio, a hobby, is more secure than banks, ah, where have we gone?
-using mail to register and reregister and reregister etc... ur mail
works many do not.
-limited EnglishSURPRISE, ENGLISH IS NOT THE ONLY LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD.
-dislike of ARRL... maybe a factor but there is also distaste for America
abroad now... USA lost all of its good graces abroad soon after 9/11 due to
its foreign policies... Am. squandered all the huge sympathy within months
of 9/11 believe me, America is not beloved anymore outside its
boundaries, and that attitude spills over into ham radio as well as every
other activity in modern life  sad.

73,

Charles Harpole
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






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Re: [DX-CHAT] distaste for America especially after 9/11

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Once again, this thread is crossing the line on what is considered acceptable 
on this reflector.

Please discontinue further comments on it.

Thank you.

73, ron w3wn
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[DX-CHAT] LotW Certificate

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Anyone in the group request an additional Logbook of the World certificate
(specifically for an additional call) lately?

I'm a little puzzled.  When I renewed mine last year, the server automation
took care of things in a relatively short time (about an hour or so, as I
recall, but don't hold me to that).  But I put a request in Friday night for
an additional certificate for the new call, and I haven't gotten anything
back yet.

I'm wondering if something is up with the server, or if it's just something
that requires human oversight and no one's working over the weekend...

73, ron w3wn

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RE: [DX-CHAT] LotW Certificate

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I got my answer already...

Certificates are "manually signed," so I won't get it back until sometime
tomorrow.

IE:  The Human element strikes again!

Thanks to all who replied!

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Ron Notarius W3WN
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:37 PM
To: DX Chat Reflector
Subject: [DX-CHAT] LotW Certificate


Anyone in the group request an additional Logbook of the World certificate
(specifically for an additional call) lately?

I'm a little puzzled.  When I renewed mine last year, the server automation
took care of things in a relatively short time (about an hour or so, as I
recall, but don't hold me to that).  But I put a request in Friday night for
an additional certificate for the new call, and I haven't gotten anything
back yet.

I'm wondering if something is up with the server, or if it's just something
that requires human oversight and no one's working over the weekend...

73, ron w3wn

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RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW second callsign

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

You can apply for another certificate (using the TQSLCert program) for
additional calls, old or new.

Creating the actual request for the extra certificate is quick, simple, and
once the cert request is generated, it can be uploaded or emailed to the
server.

And, as I found out last weekend, the requests are manually processed or
reviewed during regular business hours, so you have all weekend to generate
and upload the file, and the ARRL LotW folks will have the new certificate
to you on Monday or Tuesday.

Your on-line log will show all QSO's and also under which call they were
generated.

73, ron w3wn

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Tom Johnson
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:00 PM
To: Chat
Subject: [DX-CHAT] LOTW second callsign


I am trying to sign up for LOTW. So far, I have gotten N4TJ ok, but wish to
add my pre 1977 callsign. How do I go about adding it? Thanks.

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[DX-CHAT] Administrivia

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Just a quick reminder to all that your are kindly requested to NOT double-post 
the information to DX-NEWS and DX-CHAT.

This is, and has been, against the rules of the reflector since day one.  And 
there is a simple reason for that.  News & information items belong on DX-NEWS, 
and discussion or commentary on them belong on DX-CHAT; this is done so that 
those who only wish news, not commentary, can get them.  More to the point, if 
you are a member of CHAT, you are also a member of NEWS (which is not always 
true the other way around), so double-posting news etc. to both reflectors 
means you're making a redundant post to people who are on both lists.

Thanks!

73, ron w3wn
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RE: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] and another new one... (or even two...)

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Peter,
 
If 
this occurs as you suggest, I suspect that Saint Barthelemy would become a new 
entity, but Saint Martin would remain as the existing entity.  

 
I 
think this may depend on exactly how politically separate they are as of the 
implementation date, and whether the separation is enough to invoke the 
appropriate DXCC rules regarding entities; I'm not an expert on that.  So 
best to defer to the DXCC desk for a ruling.  
 
73, 
ron w3wn

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of P. 
  BuijserdSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:04 PMTo: 
  dx-news@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-NEWS] and another new one... (or even 
  two...)
  Surfing through Wikipedia I found the following:
  " Guadeloupe currently includes Saint-Barthélemy 
  and Saint Martin, who have 
  voted to become separate collectivités d'outre-mer in 2003; the change 
  will be implemented in early 2007." 
  This suggests that Saint-Barthélemy could 
  become a new entity next year. maybe even the current FS could be 
  deleted, and also Saint Martin would be a new one... 
  Any comments or firm dates ?
  73 Peter PB1TT

Re: [DX-CHAT] W4PL

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Might be.  The Tennesse Valley DXA simply states in their March '06 newsletter 
"we now have a club call" but no further explanation.

73


From: Bill Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/09/29 Fri AM 10:45:45 CDT
To: DX Chat Reflector 
Subject: [DX-CHAT] W4PL

I see postings for W4PL.Is this a commemorative call honoring the old W4PL, Ben 
White?I remember working traffic with Ben on RN5 eons ago.He always as there, 
had a great signal and one of, if not the best fist I ever heard in the days 
before electronic keyers. Bill W5EC 

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RE: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] and another new one... (or even two...)...conclusion!!

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Unless I'm mistaken, and if I am I'm sure I'll quickly be corrected, FS & FJ
are currently one and the same DXCC entity, separate from FG for DXCC
purposes.

For DXCC purposes, what is the current "parent" entity?  France or
Guadeloupe?  (Not that it has mattered until now since the current entity is
grandfathered in under the old pre-DXCC 2000 rules).

My question is, will this change be enough to consider one (probably FS) the
surviving DXCC entity & the other (FJ) a new DXCC entity?  Or are they too
close together (what is their distance apart?) to be considered separate
entities even after this political change?

Is there someone with vaster knowledge of DXCC than I able to answer this?

73, ron w3wn
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
P. Buijserd
  Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:17 PM
  To: dx-news@njdxa.org
  Subject: [DX-NEWS] and another new one... (or even two...)...conclusion!!


  From the reactions sofar, I conclude that FS and FJ will become separate
entities as soon as they will be listed on the U.S. Department of State's
list of "Dependencies and Areas of Special Sovereignty". Both FJ and FS
easily meet the 800km distance criterium from the parent (France).
  FS and FJ now are part of the french département d'outre-mer of Guadeloupe
(FG). Following a 2003 referendum FJ and FS will both (apart, not together)
get another political status (collectivité d'outre-mer), probably in early
2007. This is the same status as other french territories like FO, FH, FW
and FP. These four are all listed on the U.S. Department of State's list:
http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/10543.htm So keep a close watch on new issues
of this list !
  73 Peter PB1TT.

- Original Message -
From: P. Buijserd
To: dx-news@njdxa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: [DX-NEWS] and another new one... (or even two...)


Surfing through Wikipedia I found the following:
" Guadeloupe currently includes Saint-Barthélemy and Saint Martin, who
have voted to become separate collectivités d'outre-mer in 2003; the change
will be implemented in early 2007."
This suggests that Saint-Barthélemy could become a new entity next year.
maybe even the current FS could be deleted, and also Saint Martin would be a
new one...
Any comments or firm dates ?
73 Peter PB1TT

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Re: [DX-CHAT] IRC's For Sale

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Bob's post on about-to-expire IRC's just got me thinking...

How do QSL managers handle incoming IRC's & GS's?

In other words, when I send a manager an envelope containing a request, is it 
opened right away and any cash or IRC's removed (and duly noted, of course), or 
are the $$ etc. left in place until the actual processing of the requested QSL 
card?

I know this may sound like a "dumb" question -- and yes, I know every manager 
has their own way of doing things, so YMMV & VWPBL(STn) -- but the upcoming 
expiration date on the 1st Generation "New" IRC's makes me wonder.  I don't 
want to put Bob (or another QSL manager) to the trouble and bother of selling & 
sending me IRC's if, by the time the receiving QSL Manager gets his hands on 
them to exchange for postage, they will have already expired.  

OTOH, it beats arguing with the local bank branch about needing more than 1 or 
2 $2 bills at a time... or at least crisp $1 bills... especially when sending 
to a manager that wants 2 IRC's or US$3 for postage due to currency exchange 
fluctuations... (you wouldn't believe how many teller lectures I've gotten over 
the years on the dangers of sending cash through the mail.  *sigh*)

Thoughts?

73, ron w3wn


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/10/06 Fri AM 10:00:15 CDT
To: dx-news@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-NEWS] IRC's For Sale


REDUCED "CLOSEOUT" PRICE FOR IRCS:
N2OO has a limited number IRCs for sale. All are large-sized IRCs which expire 
Dec 31, 2006. $1.05 each. Minimum quantity: 10.
IRCs will be sent postpaid USA (regular mail). PayPal accepted. Contact Bob 
N2OO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information.
 
73! Bob N2OO

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Re:[2][DX-CHAT] IRC's For Sale

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well, let's be honest with ourselves... we've all known this day was coming for 
5 years now, since the first issuance of the "new" IRC.  And we'll be going 
through it again in another 5 years or so, unless the bureaucracy relents (hah!)

In my case, since I have a small number of cards to go out that have been 
sitting awhile, I should be OK getting a small quantity of IRC's from Bob and 
getting them out -- immediately.  

I suspect things will get VERY interesting come late November and December, and 
frankly, I don't envy QSL managers who have to deal with procrastinators (like 
me), or people who don't bother to read the coupons, or people trying to pull a 
fast one...

I wonder if managers still get brown surface IRC's from time to time?  
(Considering all of the odd stuff they get, I wouldn't be at all surprised!)

73, ron w3wn


From: Jim Reisert AD1C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/10/06 Fri PM 12:04:08 CDT
To: Ron Notarius W3WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] IRC's For Sale

This is a great and timely question, since I'll be sending out a batch of the
expiring IRCs sometime this month.  That gives the manager only a couple of
months to cash them.

I don't want to "stiff" the manager, but I also don't want to take a loss on
each IRC I'm holding (pay $1.20 but redeem for 0.84).

73 - Jim AD1C

--- Ron Notarius W3WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bob's post on about-to-expire IRC's just got me thinking...
> 
> How do QSL managers handle incoming IRC's & GS's?
> 
> In other words, when I send a manager an envelope containing a request, is it
> opened right away and any cash or IRC's removed (and duly noted, of course),
> or are the $$ etc. left in place until the actual processing of the requested
> QSL card?
> 
> I know this may sound like a "dumb" question -- and yes, I know every manager
> has their own way of doing things, so YMMV & VWPBL(STn) -- but the upcoming
> expiration date on the 1st Generation "New" IRC's makes me wonder.  I don't
> want to put Bob (or another QSL manager) to the trouble and bother of selling
> & sending me IRC's if, by the time the receiving QSL Manager gets his hands
> on them to exchange for postage, they will have already expired.  
> 
> OTOH, it beats arguing with the local bank branch about needing more than 1
> or 2 $2 bills at a time... or at least crisp $1 bills... especially when
> sending to a manager that wants 2 IRC's or US$3 for postage due to currency
> exchange fluctuations... (you wouldn't believe how many teller lectures I've
> gotten over the years on the dangers of sending cash through the mail. 
> *sigh*)
> 
> Thoughts?


--
Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863
USA +978-251-9933, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://www.ad1c.us

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: [DX-NEWS] Changes to FCC SSB allocations

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I'd expect the DX Window to move, probably down 100 kHz.  But will it even be 
neccesary, once the new rules take place?

Part of the reason we had the DX Window was to provide a clear spot, but with 
the phone band expansion on 75/80, plus a bigger overlap between existing 
non-US allocations and the new US band... well, it will be interesting, that's 
for sure...

73

From: Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/10/11 Wed PM 02:45:59 CDT
To: dx-news@Njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Changes to FCC SSB allocations

Wonder how that will affect the 75m "DX Window..."
Barry W2UP

Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.doc
>
> bandGeneral AdvancedExtra
> 75m 3800-4000   3700-4000   3600-4000
> 40m 7175-7300   7125-7300   7125-7300
> 15m 21275-21450 (no change) (no change)
>
> Lots of other small changes -- see the document.
>
> Part 1, Part 2 and Part 97 of the Commission's Rules ARE AMENDED as specified
> in the Appendix, effective [30 days after publication in the Federal 
> Register].
>
> 73 - Jim AD1C
>
>
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[DX-CHAT] Omnibus After Effects, or, The Day After

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

OK, so now that the FCC has finally released the "omnibus," which will take 
effect sometime around the middle of November... where do things stand?  

You can't really get a good handle on that by reading the posts on eHam and 
especially QRZ, as the code/no-code and the pro/anti-ARRL groups have sharpened 
their metaphorical hatchets and are going at each other again.

Here's my thoughts on some of  the high points:  
(1) Expanded the phone sub-bands in the 75 and 40 meter bands
Needed because the phone sub-bands on both 75 & 40 where often very crowded 
during "prime time," between fighting off the BC'ers on 40 and the established 
"I own the frequency *burp*" bubba-nets on much of 75.  I hadn't expected that 
big a change on 75, but I think it will pay off in the long run.

How this affects the digital modes remains to be seen.

It also removes the N/T+ CW subbands.  I haven’t seen the explicit language 
specifying what Novice & Tech+ ops are allocated as of the effective date, but 
it appears that they will have the same CW-only allocations as Generals and 
Advanced.  I don’t see this as a bad thing, as the days of the “Novice band” as 
a learning ground have passed --  this is not to say we don’t need to help 
train new hams – we do.  We just don’t need a special “slow code” segment to do 
so (insert obligatory wise crack about slow code here).

(2)  permitted auxiliary stations to transmit on portions of the 2 meter band
Looks like Kenwood finally gets to implement SkyCommand!

(3a) permitted amateur licensees to designate a specific Amateur Radio club to 
receive their call sign in memoriam
(3b) prohibited an applicant from filing more than one application for a 
specific vanity call sign 
There have been some creative end-runs around the intent, if not the letter, of 
the Vanity program.  These changes are needed and should be welcome.  Now, if 
you want someone to get your call after you QSY to a higher frequency, you at 
least have some say in the matter.  And the days of filing 100+ applications by 
one individual for a particular vanity call… that’s not an exaggeration, it’s 
happened… to throw the “lottery” in his/her favor are over.  About time!

(4) eliminated certain restrictions on equipment manufacturers 
The end of the “10 meter amplifier ban” at last!  Well, almost.  

(5) deleted the frequency bands and segments specified for RACES stations
Never understood why they did that in the first place, a long overdue technical 
correction

(6) deleted the requirement for public announcement of test locations and times
Makes it easier to schedule a test session “on the fly” without resorting to 
“public” announcements to meet the legal requirements.

So who loses?

On paper, certain CW and digital ops have less exclusive spectrum to deal with. 
 But in reality, most of the frequency spectrum reallocated to phone on 40 & 75 
have been virtually vacant for years.  Yes, the “CW” bands will be a little 
more crowded, but I suspect not that much.  After all, there hasn’t been that 
much use by those in the N/T+ segment as it is.  Some may become more active 
when moved in with the “mainstream,” at long last, but I suspect will continue 
to (not) operate as they have been prior to the change.

If there’s any other downside, I fail to see it.  I’m sure someone will, 
though… 

Thoughts?

73, ron w3wn

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Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Good question.

Relatively Simple answers: 

(a) this 'omnibus' ruling combined a lot of petitions and NPRM's, and there are 
are many parts that some aren't aware of
(b) the FCC did some things unexpected, such as expanding the 80/75 phone band 
all the way down to 3600 kHz, where most expected it to only go down to 3650 
kHz (which, as a practical matter, would have left a 50 kHz area for digital 
modes and 100 kHz for CW only)
(c) the FCC left some things unclear, at least to those of us who are neither 
lawyers nor bureaucrats... like exactly where do Novices and Tech+'s operate CW 
on 80, 40, & 15 now?  (I'm sure it's buried in there somewhere, but I haven't 
had a chance to dig out the specific language yet)

and let's not forget:

(d) some people ignored most or all of this or didn't expect (or hoped) some or 
all of this wouldn't happen, and now they have to figure out what to do next.  

73
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 07:46:40 CDT
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] After effects



Just wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC  -before-  it was 
adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were 
any real concerns.
73,
Duane, WV2B

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Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Very true Gerry, and that's why I was surprised that the FCC went as far as 
they did on 80.  I think the Law of Unintended Consequences will cause us some 
grief until it's all sorted out.

From: Gerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 09:15:14 CDT
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects

 Ron, All this discussion centres around US use of the bands. As you push down 
your phone band, hams in countries like Canada will move some of their phone 
operations down as well. Your example on 80 with phone down to 3600 and digital 
below that may well be more like US phone to 3600 and Canadian phone down to 
3575 with digital and CW squeezed into the last 75 khz. This will no doubt lead 
to competition for space as now happens on 40 around 7050-7060 between Canadian 
and DX SSB and US CW. Canada does not have sub-bands and should we choose, we 
can operate any mode anywhere. We use the bands based more on a "gentleman's 
agreement" (no, it's doesn't always work well) and would hope these new US 
assignment will work themselves out for all users of the bands. Gerry
VE6LB/VA6XDX
ARRL DXCC Card Checker
VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team
(403) 251-6520
ve6lb (at) rac.ca
www.qsl.net/ve6lb/
  - Original Message -   From:  Ron Notarius   W3WN   To: 
dx-chat@njdxa.org   Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:52   AM  Subject: Re: 
[DX-CHAT] After effects  
Good question.

Relatively Simple answers: 

(a)   this 'omnibus' ruling combined a lot of petitions and NPRM's, and there 
are   are many parts that some aren't aware of
(b) the FCC did some things   unexpected, such as expanding the 80/75 phone 
band all the way down to 3600   kHz, where most expected it to only go down to 
3650 kHz (which, as a practical   matter, would have left a 50 kHz area for 
digital modes and 100 kHz for CW   only)
(c) the FCC left some things unclear, at least to those of us who are   neither 
lawyers nor bureaucrats... like exactly where do Novices and Tech+'s   operate 
CW on 80, 40, & 15 now?  (I'm sure it's buried in there   somewhere, but I 
haven't had a chance to dig out the specific language   yet)

and let's not forget:

(d) some people ignored most or all   of this or didn't expect (or hoped) some 
or all of this wouldn't happen, and   now they have to figure out what to do 
next.  

73
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM   07:46:40 CDT
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT]   After effects



Just wondering- with a couple years to comment to   the FCC -before- it was 
adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat   was missed if there 
were any real concerns.
73,
Duane, WV2B

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Ralph Waldo   Emerson

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[DX-CHAT] Waiting on the Other Shoe

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

In reviewing comments made about the FCC changes, one thing that kept popping 
up was that the FCC allocated more (sometimes much more) space for voice 
operations than was initially asked for.

For example, the original ARRL proposal was for an extra 25 kHz of phone on 75. 
 The original FCC NPRM was for the same.  Many of the comments that I read (and 
I did not read all of them) indicated that of those in favor of this change, 25 
kHz wasn't thought to be enough; most of those that I saw proposed 50, 75, even 
100 kHz more.

No one expected a 150 kHz expansion of phone on 80!

Why?  Or to put it another way, what does the FCC staff know that we don't 
(yet)?

My suspicion... and this is only idle speculation at this point based on an 
extrapolation of the data at hand... is that at some point in the next 6 to 18 
months, the other shoe is going to drop.  Namely, the long awaited and 
anticipated (pro or con) removal of Element 1 as a requirement for HF access.  
(Whether for some or most or all license classes, I have no idea)

So... logic dictates that if you no longer need Element 1 for HF access, you 
have little reason to not give SOME HF access to the current crop of VHF-only 
Technicians, who have passed the same theory as the Tech-Plus (aka Tech w/HF, 
etc., you know what I mean) licenses.  And obviously, giving them CW only 
access when they officially don't know CW would be rather silly.

Catch my drift?  

When they become effective sometime next month, enjoy the extra elbow room on 
75, 40, and 15, my friends, especially you Generals.  I have a hunch that it 
won't be too long until those bands get very, very crowded!  [Now, is that a 
good thing, or a bad thing?  THAT is a different topic of speculation, my 
friends!]

...or am I way off base here?

73, ron w3wn
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RE: [DX-CHAT] query quad companies adr

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Yes, Lightning Bolt ceased operations about a year ago.  We don't expect
them back.  And they made some great antennas, more's the pity.

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Charles Harpole
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:12 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] query quad companies adr


I am having little luck finding GEM quad company email address.  Anyone
help?

Apparently Lightning Bolt is permanently out of business  correct?

Norm must have transferred his Cubex quad business to another man...  email
address anyone?  Getting quad spreaders to Thailand may be a real hard job?

And, yes, I did search via google and metacrawler to vy limited success.
Thanks for any help  73,

Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [DX-CHAT] thanks for the replies

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Jim is absolutely right.

Too many people gripe about "the League" when they have a specific issue
with a staffer or a department in Newington.  [And some of those gripes are
very legitimate, I'm not trying to put them down].  And then you have the
induhviduals like W9WHE and W1WY and a few other trolls on eHam and QRZ and
a few other sites who seem to delight in putting down "the League" and
proclaiming all sorts of nasties and half-truths about the organization.

While HQ is the staff in Newington, and they do have a big job running the
organization and all of it's parts (like DXCC, QST, the QSL bureaus, the web
site, the books, and on and on and on), they are NOT the League.

WE are the League.  Without the members, the League would not exist.

Now I can't speak for the other divisions, but in all the years I've lived
here in Pittsburgh and been active or semi-active, I have personally met and
chatted many times with the various Atlantic Division Directors... including
Hugh W3ABC and Kay N3KN (or whatever her call is today! ) back in their
days... and just about all of the WPA Section Managers.  ALL of them have
been willing to talk, LISTEN, and explain.  They may have asked someone to
keep it brief because of time constraints, or others waiting, etc., but they
have ALL spent time to LISTEN and communicate.  And that's just what I saw
in person, they also have all been very active with correspondence (to this
day, I think W3ABC still groans when he gets a note from me, I used to write
him on a regular basis and probably drove him half nutz!)

I've heard stories about how aloof other Division Directors and SM's were.
Can't say, I didnt/don't know them, and outside of seeing some of them at
Dayton, haven't interacted with them.  So, as they say, YMMV, VWPBL(STn)...
and if you have an aloof DD or SM, maybe you should try and do something
about that.

Now... I do know of stories where some DD's and SM's won't talk, or talk for
long, to non-League members.  This is understandable to a point, because if
you're not in the League, they often feel you're not part of the solution.
So, if you're not a League member and this has happened to you, consider
joining so that they DO have to listen to you -- and if they don't, so that
you're in a position to do something about it.

I'm not saying that by joining the League that you have to agree with every
position, every policy, for that matter everything, that they've done.  (On
principle, I'm not too thrilled about the change of direction on Swain's
Island, for one thing -- for one example).  But if you're not a member, you
have no say in modifying or even changing those positions.  Consider that.

Jim mentioned the BPL situation.  Remember that the BPL lobbyists are very
anti-League because the League has had the audacity to question the
technical aspects... that is, ARRL has managed to remind everyone that to do
it right costs a lot more money that to do it quick, dirty & cheap, and so
what if some hams & CB'ers & cops & firemen have some noise on their radios?
Every time some troll writes the FCC with a put-down of the League
(justified or not -- and most aren't) it chips away at the League's
credibility.  We have GOT to fight the monied interests behind BPL, the ones
who are intent in pushing a flawed technology in the interests of recouping
their investments (and making a ton of money off the poor slobs who buy the
systems off of their hands).  We have GOT to get the FCC to acknowledge that
in those areas that really want BPL (with WiMax coming, how many?) it has to
be done RIGHT.  Establishing this attitude -- which is not anti-BPL, it's
anti-bad technology or anti-bad applilcation -- is what the League is best
at.  Even if you don't care for a lot of other things the League is doing or
has done (and after 40+ years, can we give the Incentive Licensing war a
rest?  please?), the BPL fight alone is reason alone to join.  (You can
always leave when it's over)

It's time to be a part of the solution.

End soapbox.  You can start throwing the tomatoes now.

73, ron w3wn

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[DX-CHAT] Off Base?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Bear with me a moment on this one, gang.

I know some of you are also on the CQ-Contest reflector, where I've been
involved the last few days (since the end of CQ WW) in a sometimes heated
discussion over operating practices on 40 meters.

The crux of the disagreement revolves around the actions of some SSB
stations regarding operating below 7020 kHz.  Some of these are North
American stations (mainly some US big-guns) who announced they were
listening at 7012, 7010, 7007, even 7001 kHz; some of these are various DX
stations who were transmitting from the same region.

Now... I'm not trying to re-argue the situation here.  Suffice to say, IMHO
this is poor operating practices to try and have an SSB contest effectively
control the entire 40 meter band (to say nothing of the long-term effect of
ticking off CW ops pushed out of the way and making them anti-contest).

I've had several counter-arguments, two amateurs (one US, one VE) in
particular.  I'm  being told things like "the band is crowded so we go where
we have to," "if it's not strictly illegal it's allowed," "the contest
operators can't impose band limits," "if the contest operators try to limit
things that aren't illegal they open themselves up to litigation,"
"non-contesters should use the WARC bands," "a run frequency is more
important that a 5 WPM Extra talking across town," "CW is dying anyway,"
"band plans are voluntary," and my personal favorites, "it only happens two
weekends a year, CQ WW & ARRL DX (what about CQ WPX and IARU and WAE and...)
so deal with it," and "CW is being abandonded by administrations around the
world so nobody cares."  Amongst many others, but you catch the drift.

I've also had a small group encourage me -- privately, few in public posts.
The vast majority?  Silent.

So... am I wrong here?

Now granted, a big-gun I'm not and probably never will be, especially from
the new QTH (I'm just glad the vertical kinda WORKS right now!  Well, it's
been 3 1/2 years since the last permanent QTH...).  My operating time was
very limited due to family obligations.  But I was just floored by some of
the 40 meter "listening" frequencies I saw on the cluster on Saturday night
(ET).  And I heard a lot of CW activity that got squashed by people calling
or responding to a "CQ CONTEST."  So, I figured that there'd be some griping
about it.  But only one person did (my participation started as part of the
response), and he quickly got told to go fishing if he didn't like it.

Am I off base in finding this situation unpalatable?  Am I in the minority,
or are most just shrugging and putting up with this because they don't think
anything can be done?

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RE: [DX-CHAT] DX Clubs in the Northeast?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Not 
all of them make that big a splash.
 
I know 
that you also have both the North Jersey & South Jersey DXA's -- SJDXA also 
covers part of SE PA (Philly area).  Both have web sites you can check into 
for more info.
 
The 
Western PA DXA start dissolving a little less than 2 years ago, for a variety of 
reasons.  Myself and a few others have been thinking of organizing a 
replacement, but life is taking priority.  We haven't give up hope yet, 
though.
 
73

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jerry 
  KellerSent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:27 PMTo: 
  (Reflector) dx-list (ORIGINAL); (Reflector) DXList (NEW); (Reflector) 
  DX-CHATSubject: [DX-CHAT] DX Clubs in the 
  Northeast?
  There's 
  Northern and Southern California DX Clubs, and there's the Southeastern DX 
  Club out of Atlanta. There's even the Western Washington DX Club. There's the 
  International DX Association and many DX Clubs in other countries.But 
  are there any DX clubs here in the Northeastern USA any more? Any that cover 
  eastern PA? I know of Contest Clubs... like YCCC and FRC and PVRC and 
  supposedly they are also DX clubs, but nearly all their activities are 
  primarily contest-oriented, and their active membership is pretty much 
  restricted to a circle established for Contest purposes.What happened 
  to the DX Clubs?73, Jerry 
K3BZ

RE: [DX-CHAT] 3E1A qsl???

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

There's an on-going discussion on this over on the DX QSL Reflector.

A few people have indicated that they have received their 3E1A QSL, others
are still waiting for that one and for others from DJ7AA.  Those receiving
cards indicate both direct and via buro cards were answered.

In addition, it appears that the HP1/DJ7AA operation from several years ago
was not accepted for DXCC, and that the 3E1A operation originally was not
but is now.

I also worked HP1/DJ7AA both before and during the contest.  When I print my
next batch of cards, I'm planning to route that one via WF5E.  And not hold
my breath.  FWIW; YMMV; VWPBL(STn).

73, ron w3wn

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Don
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:22 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] 31EA qsl???




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Charles Harpole
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:31 PM

Has anyone received a 3E1A QSL through DL6MYL???

I saw some snipes on the packet cluster (example---"1826.5 HP1/DJ7AA Was
3E1A and don't QSL ...") while he is operating from HP during this weekend's
contest -- seems like a lot of dissatisfied QSLers (and I may be one too
after two direct (one $$ one SSAE) requesting QSL.  Emails sent direct have
been ignored. A google search of "31EA QSL" turned up only instructions
where to QSL, unlike other operations where such a query turned up "QSL
received")

Maybe no one has?   If someone has received one, please let all of us know
(before I try one more time...I don't want to fatten his wallet.  The German
Post Office does NOT lose that many letters...and its been long enough to
get the QSLs printed...)

As always we must believe the best in people, until proven otherwise. If
anyone has received a QSL it would reinforce the former...lack of anyone
coming forward would seem to indicate the opposite

Best regards
Don
AC7ZG

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RE: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I've heard that some EU ops have received their cards, but to date, nothing
reported received in NA.  Hopefully they're not on the proverbial slow boat
and are on their way...

The only other thing I recall hearing or reading about 4O3T was some
indirect comments regarding the operation in that email from YZ5W over on
DX-QSL, back in early October, primarily concerned with the YU6AO DXCC
eligibility questions.

73

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Of harris_ruben
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:15 AM
To: dx-chat List
Subject: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T


It's 4 months now. Any word on cards from these guys?
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RE: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Correction!  Don W0DM had a post last night on DX QSL that he HAS received
the 403T QSL card via PA5O!  So there's at least one out loose in NA!

73

-Original Message-
From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:00 PM
To: dx-chat List
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T


I've heard that some EU ops have received their cards, but to date, nothing
reported received in NA.  Hopefully they're not on the proverbial slow boat
and are on their way...

The only other thing I recall hearing or reading about 4O3T was some
indirect comments regarding the operation in that email from YZ5W over on
DX-QSL, back in early October, primarily concerned with the YU6AO DXCC
eligibility questions.

73

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Of harris_ruben
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:15 AM
To: dx-chat List
Subject: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T


It's 4 months now. Any word on cards from these guys?
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Make you log the VU7's correctly (don't trust DX spots)

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I'd suggest putting the full call in the comments field to cover those
packet nodes truncating spots.

Of course, you really should copy the call yourself without need for the
cluster... but we already all knew that, so I won't mention it.

73

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Subject: [DX-CHAT] Make you log the VU7's correctly (don't trust DX
spots)


Make sure you log the correct call of any VU7LD/ stations you work.  Some
packet nodes are truncating the call.  For example, VU7LD/VU2PA is really
VU7LD/VU2PAI.

73 - Jim AD1C


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[DX-CHAT] H8A

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Anyone know offhand if DL6MYL is still issuing cards for the H8A debacle back 
in 2002?  

I've sent in direct requests twice now, plus one via WF5L, and to date, nada.  
Just hate to throw away more shekels if it's a black hole...

73, ron w3wn
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Some hams just don't get it

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Tell someone that they have tomato sauce on their face, and sooner or later,
someone will take offense that you're making a derogatory remark about their
character and/or background because they ate something from an Italian
cuisine for lunch.

It makes as much sense as if they were talking in Ishkabibil (Sid Ceaser,
where are you when we need you?)

There's nothing you can do about someone who's determined to pick a fight or
take offense.  This sounds like one of those cases.

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Jim Reisert AD1C
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:59 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Some hams just don't get it


Saturday morning the VU7 was on 14260 listening up.

A KP4 ham and someone else were trying to have a QSO on the
frequency, they must have been asked to move when the VU7 showed
up.  I didn't hear that part of the conversion, but I heard one of
the "chatters" say something like, 'We were probably asked to move
because we were talking Spanish, so people must assume we are illegal
immigrants.'

The logic here escapes me.  But both parties could have done better:

- the Spanish-speaking folks were chatting on the international IOTA
calling frequency. Surely there was a better place to have a ragchew.

- whoever tried to move them off the frequency probably didn't
explain about the IOTA frequency, VU7 being weak, listening for North
America, etc.

Just something to think about...

73 - Jim AD1C

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[DX-CHAT] FW: That Darn ARRL Did It Again!

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I've been asked to repost this over here on DX-CHAT by the Powers That Be.
(Of course, please keep in mind that the "here" referred to wasn't CHAT)

I've done some minor editing to fix one small factual error and clarify an
acknowlegement or two, otherwise it's just as originally posted.

73

-----Original Message-
From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:55 AM
To:
Subject: That Darn ARRL Did It Again!


So, based on what I've been reading here, and actually for some time now
since the phone band expansion was announced a few months back, let me see
if I've got this all straight.

The ARRL pushed through the No Code HF license to increase membership and
therefore increase revenue.

No, on second thought, the ARRL is impotent with the FCC because they have
no money to influence the FCC and therefore is to blame for not stopping
this.

No, no, the ARRL is in bed with the FCC to screw amateur radio operators.

No, no, no, the ARRL is just clueless and has no idea what side of the bread
is buttered.

Ah, shucks, now I've got it, they're just a bunch of back stabbers.

Nope!  They represent the special interests and sold out the CW ops for the
digital ops.  No, make that the CW & Digital ops for the Phone ops.  No,
still wrong, they sold out the "coders" in favor of the "no coders."  I
think.  But they sold out.  Or sold somebody out.  Or something.  Well, they
sold something, anyway.

No, no, no, wait, now I've got it.  The ARRL pushed this through so that
they could increase the number of tests given and reap all their money from
those!

Oops!  Still wrong.  Actually, the FCC is run by politicians and political
hacks (imagine that) who are in league with the League.  Or is it that they
ignore the League?  I keep getting confused.

Oh yes, and all the people posting on this DX list and other lists are
almost universally against dropping the CW test.  Too bad the FCC doesn't
read this list and the others and listen to us!  My goodness, do they
actually expect us to file petitions in this day and age of message boards
and reflectors?

--

Meanwhile, back at the Ranch, Fred and the boys at No Code International
must really be thrilled.  Not only have they finally got their agenda pushed
through, but they got the League to take the heat on it from all sides. With
one or two rare exceptions, haven't read about anybody complaining about
their actions... and weren't they the ones who've been filing the petitions
on this in the first place? Come to think of it, haven't heard anybody
praising them, either. Interesting.

--

We have to face an unpleasant truth:  Outside of Amateur Radio, the use of
the International Morse Code as a regular, routine, and accepted method of
communications has virtually disappeared.  Outside of beacon and repeater
ID's and the like, it's gone.  (Tangent:  Going to work on the "T" the other
day, I heard the Port Authority's repeater ID in CW.  The LRT driver
muttered 'I wonder what all those beeps mean, I hear them all the time.')
So, once the ITU determined that Morse proficiency was a skill the rest of
the communications skill didn't need, and dropped it as a mandatory
requirement for HF access by Amateur Radio operators, the rest was
inevitable.

I also think it is unfair to blame the ARRL for being ineffective in
stopping this.  It's not a question of them being impotent (although Mal
N7MAL does have a good point about the $$$ behind lobbying).  I don't think
the FCC paid any attention to ANY of the comments filed.  Again.  Someone in
the FCC was given the task of writing up the NPRM, and it sailed through
almost unscathed -- because, IMHO, the decision was made to take the path of
least resistance and simply eliminate Element 1 BEFORE the NPRM was filed.
So all those comments were, IMHO, for naught.  Every single one.

Why should this surprise you?  BPL is technically flawed and an obsolete
technology as currently being implemented, yet the FCC is pushing it.  Why?
Because the politicians running the FCC have friends in the industry who are
dangling money.  This is a surprise?  As I recall, when 220 - 222 was taken
away, didn't one of the Commisioners very soon after quit and take a job
with one of the firms that lobbied for it?  Nah, that couldn't be a
payoff... and before anyone says it, that happened when the Other Party had
their people in charge of the Gov't, not the Current Party.  Political
payoffs are, er, non-political in that respect.

So what do we do?  Well, first we take the only group that has any
reasonable hope of dealing with the FCC, gripe about them constantly, fail
to fund them, fail to support them, leave them with few tools (including $$)
at hand, and then when they fail to succeed at a near impossible task,
assess blame, q

[DX-CHAT] Portable Tower Antennas

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

For the last year and a half, my local club (spearheaded by our incoming
President N3ZK... go to www.n3sh.org for details) has been raising funds to
purchase a mobile tower/trailer.  We arbitrarily divided the project into
three phases -- Phase 1 was for the tower itself (we got a really good price
on a 30' crankup from Tashjian Towers -- formerly known as TriEx), Phase 2
for the trailer, and Phase 3 for the antennas and related stuff (coax,
rotors, etc.)

We completed the fund raising for Phase 1 over a month ago, and the tower is
now enroute.  This weekend saw us meet the Phase 2 goal, and the trailer
itself will be delivered in about 2 weeks.  So, now we're on the Phase 3:
The antennas etc.

Anyone have any good suggestions for HF & VHF antennas that are both:
(a) lightweight
and
(b) easy to assemble/dis-assemble for quick transportation?

We had originally hoped to work something out with "Lightning Bolt Bob," but
Lightning Bolt Antennas went out of buisness last year.  And we have a Hex
Beam, but that's not neccesarily what we want to keep permanently with the
tower.  Anyone have any other suggestions?

Oh -- I should mention that there will be wire antennas (some dipoles, some
long wires, etc.) stored with the trailer.  What we're looking for is
something a little more directional.  (Sadly, my old Butternut HF4B, given
to the club a few years ago, got nailed by a tree branch courtesy of Mother
Nature and was not salvageable... or so I'm told, anyway).  And coax itself
shouldn't be a problem as we have a large stock of that in the Field Day
hoard.

73, ron w3wn

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RE: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Sorry you feel that way Lou.  However, I think you're grossly mistaken.  If
anything, I think the opposite will occur.

Those who continue to operate on CW will do so because they enjoy it, not
because they're trying to get their code speeds up to pass a test.  It
follows then that if it is enjoyed, it will maintain at least some modicum
of popularity.

CW is an acquired taste.  Not everyone acquires it.  It took me a long time
to really settle down and enjoy it.  I actually find that lately I spend
much more time cruising the exclusive CW sub-bands for DX and ragchews than
I do the Phone 'bands.  Never in a googleplex of nanoseconds thought that
would happen!

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of lmecseri -KE1F
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:50 AM
To: Shelby Summerville
Cc: DX-Chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD


But since CW is no longer a requirement for a HAM license the mode CW is not
and will not be popular.


73s

LouKE1F


Shelby Summerville wrote:

>On 12/19, I wrote: "I "thought" I worked VU7LD/VU3ELR, 12/16, 1455Z, 20
>SSB." Now, according to the online log, I DID work VU7LD/VU3ELR on 12/16!
My
>apologies to anyone that I may have caused not to work VU7, as I again
>worked VU7LD/VU3RSB, yesterday. I assure y'all that I'm NOT a DX "hog", nor
>do I have any desire for that reputation!
>
>Happy Holidays
>
>73, Shelby - K4WW
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Orders for NEW IRCs

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

So much for "neither rain, nor SNOW, nor gloom of night..." 

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Charlie, W0YG
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:40 PM
To: DX-Chat
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Orders for NEW IRCs


For those that have ordered IRCs from me, 37 inches of snow has stopped the
mail service dead in its tracks.  I haven't received mail since Tuesday last
however some did make it through today.  Be assured as soon as I get your
payment, the IRCs will be in the mail to you.

Thanks for your patience.

73,

Charlie, W0YG..>>

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RE: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Of Popkingram fame (or infamy)?

If you're a stamp collector, he's almost worth getting an OO notice from...
he uses stamps I haven't seen in circulation in 35-40 years!



I took my Extra before the FCC in Huntington, WV; ironically, this was the
next-to-last exam in the region (there was another one scheduled 2 months
later in Monroeville PA just outside of Pittsburgh; I was signed up for that
one too, but never needed to go obviously).  Stayed in the motel where the
test was being given the night before.  Marched in at 8:00 AM to take my
code test; ended up passing it by 7 out of 10 on the fill-in-the-blank
(found out later that I also had over 2 minutes of solid copy).  Started
working on the theory as soon as I was notified I'd passed the code; during
which time the 13 WPM code testers came in.

Finished my exam about, oh, 9:30 or so and waited.  And waited.  And
waited... seems the examiner was grading each test off the top of the
pile -- and as you turned in your test, it too got put on the top of the
pile, and I was too scared to say anything or leave the room!  Finally,
around 11:45, the father & son I drove down with poked their heads in to see
what was going on, since I had to check out at noon!  The Examiner left the
room for a moment -- found out that he personally called the front desk to
say it was his fault, and asked them not to charge me a late fee (they
didn't).  Finally, around 12:15 or so, I get called up, he gives me a
strange look, and says "you know, you made it by the skin of your teeth!"  I
had just passed the Extra theory with no margin for error!  I was in a VERY
good mood on the way home!

...the irony of this is that I barely studied the theory -- I had
concentrated on the code test, figuring I could get the code in WV, with
Monroeville as last resort on that, and that I'd have 2 months to study the
theory.  But you think I complained?

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Larry Alkoff
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 3:26 PM
To: Norm Gertz
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ron Notarius W3WN; DX-Chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD


Correction that was David Popkin.


Norm Gertz wrote:
> Lou and Bill.I think that the FCC in those days hand picked the
examiners.they were usually unsmiling and quite menacing to the young
applicants.
> Most of the time the field office was a smelly, musty space;  many
cigarette smokers at that time.
> I dont think any of those things worked as a detriment;  most passed their
tests in those days.
>
> 73  Norm  K1AA
>   - Original Message -
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Cc: Ron Notarius W3WN ; DX-Chat
>   Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:22 AM
>   Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD
>
>
>   Hi Lou-
>
>   Yes, I know who you are talking about. The old buzzard must have been
there for ages, I'm just about 61 now. I had to take my general/advanced in
NYC in the 70's. I think everyone was scared of the old guy. But he was fair
and accurate. Saw him fail a priest on my visit.
>
>   73
>   Bill W2PKY
>
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: lmecseri -KE1F
>   Date: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:12 pm
>   Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Cc: Ron Notarius W3WN , DX-Chat
>
>   > Guys,
>   >
>   > To get my Extra, I had to demonstrate my CW sending skill in
>   > downtown
>   > Manhattan to a very old FCC officer. (I will be 70 in January) :-(
>   >
>   > I love CW, I do only CW and RTTY contesting, I don't do phone. I
>   > don't
>   > have mic connected to my HF radio.
>   >
>   > Merry Christmas/Happy Holiday and a Happy New Year.
>   >
>   > 73s
>   >
>   > Lou KE1F
>   >
>   > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   >
>   > > Hello Ron-
>   > >
>   > > Have operated most modes but still come back to CW. Enjoy
>   > nailing a
>   > > big DX station in a pile up!
>   > > Says it all!
>   > > Bill
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > - Original Message -
>   > > From: Ron Notarius W3WN
>   > > Date: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:46 pm
>   > > Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD
>   > > To: DX-Chat
>   > >
>   > > > Sorry you feel that way Lou. However, I think you're grossly
>   > > > mistaken. If
>   > > > anything, I think the opposite will occur.
>   > > >
>   > > > Those who continue to operate on CW will do so because they
>   > > > enjoy it, not
>   > > > because they're trying to get their code speeds up to pass a
>   > > > test. It
>   >

RE: [DX-CHAT] Merry Christmas

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

And best of luck on your trip to C6 in a few weeks... gives me incentive to
get up something for 160 before then! 

73

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Peter Dougherty
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 9:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Merry Christmas


On behalf of my XYL (who's making a wonderful turkey dinner as I type
this), I'd like to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and best of
the holiday season. It's been a heck of a good year for DXers --
Peter the First, VU4, VU7, 5A and two all-time New Ones created
amongst other highlights. Here's wishing everyone a happy and
prosperous New Year for 2007!



Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT


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[DX-CHAT] "Fra - gee - lee... It Must Be Italian!"

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

As we all enjoy, in one form or another, the day (and Merry Christmas to
all, BTW), let us take a moment to remember a ham who's words led to a book
which led to the movie that is once again running a 24 hour holiday
marathon -- if not the best holiday picture of the season, certainly the
funniest.

Of course, I'm talking about Jean Shepard K2ORS(SK).

Most people only know of him from the movie "A Christmas Story" (most don't
even realize that he is the narrator, and has a brief cameo near the end
with his wife/producer Leigh Brown -- for those who don't know, he's the man
who tells Ralphie where the start & end of the line to see Santa is).  But
his influence is everywhere.  For example, when we moved into the new QTH
last summer, every time someone -- anyone -- would pick up one of the boxes
(such as kitchenware) marked "Fragile," they'd quote "Fra-gee-lee... it must
be Italian!"

I was lucky.  I got to grow up listening to him every weeknight (with the
transistor radio under the covers) on WOR.  I saw his PBS specials and
mini-series, I once owned his album (my brother swiped & lost it, though I
now have a tape copy of it), I have many of his books, even got to meet him
at a book signing once (my brother kept those books too...).  So maybe I
appreciate that movie a touch more.  But for so long as it remains a holiday
staple, his stories will live on.

Excelsior, Shep!

73, ron w3wn
you know your little girl is growing up when she starts giving you practical
gifts for Christmas... like socks...

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[DX-CHAT] Exam Memories

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Story I heard from many of the Pittsburgh-area hams, after I moved here:

The FCC used to give their exams in the Federal Courthouse/Main Post Office
building on Grant Street downtown.  (They later moved them to the now-gone
Holiday House building in Monroeville).

The exam room in use was located right above a bus recovery parking
location.  And at the time, either the building had no AC, or it wasn't
working right.

So, one hot summer day, they had the windows open during one of the code
tests.  Between the usually street noises, heavy traffic, and noisy diesel
buses waiting to start their next run, no one could actually hear the code
test.

The test candidates pleaded to have the windows closed and the test resent,
but allegedly, the examiner smiled and simply said "QRM!"  And then he
walked out of the room.

---

The first time I went for my 13 WPM, I was living in State College.  It was
term break coming up when we planned this, so the idea was that two of us
from the Penn State ARC would leave in the middle of the night, stop by one
other club member's home in Harrisburg to pick him up, stop and have
breakfast in Langhorne PA, and then walk in, bright eyed & bushy tailed, for
the 8 AM exam.  So of course, myself and the other driver left a little late
with insufficient sleep, and the kid we were picking up overslept too -- his
parents did not appreciate us ringing the doorbell around 4:30 or 5 AM!
Because we were running late, no breakfast, but we did make the FCC office
in Langhorne on time -- just (good thing there were no speed traps on the
way!)  We were all groggy... I washed out of my 13 WPM exam pretty quickly,
the other two were going for theory upgrades to Advanced, and they didn't do
any better...

I made one other trip to the FCC Langhorne office a few years later.  I had
a day off, so I rode down with Dave KA3NQA (now KF4JGL) to keep him company.
Dave was testing for his Commercial Phone ticket, and he was scheduled a
little later in the morning.  (And yes, he passed!)  While he was in taking
his test, I sat in his truck working some 10 Meter DX.  I remember working
EL7X on 25 watts, easily, and after making the QSO, I stepped out to
stretch.  Someone was looking over the truck with a jaundiced eye... asked
me if I was a CB'er.  When I told him I was a ham, he suddenly smiled and we
chatted for a few minutes.  Yup, I don't remember now who it was, but it was
an FCC staffer (and a ham -- I don't think he gave me his call, though), and
had I been a CB'er, I'd have been busted big time!

(And I finally did get the card from EL7X a few years ago... right after I
worked him, there was some civil unrest in Liberia, so my original QSL
request never made it to him, but I finally tracked him down!)

73, ron w3wn

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RE: [DX-CHAT] The New York Times

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

The New York TimesMuch better of an article than I expected.  Thanks for the
tip!

What I don't understand, though, is this:  Why is the dropping of the code
element for testing automatically seen by so many as the imminent demise of
our use of the code?  Yes, testing will no longer be required, and yes, the
exclusive CW bands have shrunk, and I'm sure in time the number of CW
operators MAY drop... but then again, it may not...

About 2 months ago, when I was struggling with a temporary vertical
(wouldn't load on 30, that's another story), a friend, a recent Extra,
called on the phone.  Told him I was trying to work a particular DX station
on 30; he tuned in and worked him in 2 calls, the stinker.  Anyway, when we
got back to talking, I told him I'd heard both ends of the QSO, so it was
good; Randy asked me what software I was using to decode the signals, and I
told him it was the organic one between my ears.  He was totally astounded
that I was able to copy "really fast" code in my head!  (It was about 25 wpm
or so, but that too is another story!)

We talked about this again at the club christmas party 2 weeks ago.  Randy
stopped using the computer as a crutch; now that he knows it can be done,
he's starting to do it.  And he's finding out that he enjoys operating code
even more!

So... there's hope.  So why all the doom and gloom?

Yes, the FCC handed us a lemon.  Want to make lemonade out of it?  (Me?
Nah, find me some tequilla and salt instead... )

73
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
harris_ruben
  Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:44 AM
  To: dx-chat List
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] The New York Times


  Well, we've made today's New York Times


  n2ern

RE: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Best to ask Joe himself how to handle this.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Tom Wylie
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:17 AM
To: DX-CHAT
Subject: [DX-CHAT] VU7LD


Am I reading the QSL info wrong?   There is no mention of Buro cards and 
there only appears to be 3 QSOs per card?

"Kindly include a robust self addresssed envelope and enclose a MINIMUM 
of 2 IRCs (NEW BLUE ONES ONLY) or 1 "green stamp" (U$D) per card and 
help support the DXpedition. 3 QSO's can be confirmed per card. 
Donations may be sent to Joe W3HNK and he will pass it on to us. Please 
include your emails so we can thank you.

So if you work 9 band / mode slots you need 6 IRCs?I know you can 
get QSL software with more than 3 QSOs per label

Seems to me it smacks a wee bit of buying your QSL card.


Tom GM4FDM

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[DX-CHAT] Don't Tell Me, It "Fell Off The Truck"

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

How do you lose a tower?

Seriously?

My local club, the Wireless Association of South Hills, has spent the last
18 months plus raising funds to purchase a mobile tower (see www.n3sh.org
for details).  When we had enough funds for the tower itself, it was paid
for and ordered from Tashjian Towers (formerly Tri-Ex).  Tower and base
mount were assembled, tested, and shipped, due to arrive today.

The person who has been organizing the project, Randy N3ZK, had arranged for
the tower to be delivered to his workplace so that there would be enough
people to unload the tower properly -- and sign for it too.

So, Randy gets a call from his warehouse people, telling him that Roadway
had come and gone... no tower.  He starts making calls.  The official word:
They lost it.

He called Tash Towers, talked to their shipping people.  First words they
said:  "They lost it?  How could they lose a tower?"

All I can say is, Roadway had better find that tower -- or get on the horn
to their insurance people.Meanwhile, I may have to have a word with one
of the newest members of the club... who recently passed the bar and is now
an attorney...

How can you lose a tower?  I'm just flabbergasted!

73

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Don't Tell Me, It "Fell Off The Truck"

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Here's the 'official' word on what happened with Roadway Express... must be
run by former FCC personnel...

-
"I am happy to say that the Tilt-Over Section and base plate of the tower
made it to Pittsburgh in 1 piece. However, the tower is nowhere to be found.
While on its way from California to Pittsburgh, it appears that the two
packages somehow got separated. How you ask? I have no idea and neither does
Roadway Express. It seems that the 12 foot X 36” X 24” CRATE got lost.
Roadway tells me that it never made it to Akron or Pittsburgh; the last 2
stops it made.

Anyways, Roadway is looking for the crate with our tower in it and Tashjian
Towers has filed a missing cargo claim, just incase they have to build us a
new one. Thank Goodness for Shipping Insurance!! I have made all the
necessary phone calls to the shipping company and the manufacturer to ensure
we get what we paid for.

If it is truly lost, Roadway will pay Tashjian Towers and they will build us
a new one. I know that is not what I or you all wanted to hear, but at least
our investment is protected."  -- de Randy N3ZK
-

Well, at least we'll still have our tower, it will just take longer than we
thought.  Would have been very nice to have it in time for our hamfest on
February 25th, but unless it shows up pretty soon, I wouldn't expect to get
the replacement tower in time.  (And that's assuming that they not only find
it but find it in good condition... I'm beginning to wonder if it's sitting
in pieces in a warehouse or transfer facility somewhere because some putz
running the forklift dropped it, or something like that!)

I've heard privately from a few of you that this may actually not be that
uncommon with Roadway Express... they seem to have a reputation for losing
things or not delivering them, and finding creative excuses to blame someone
else.  Still, this is ridiculous.  And I also hope that if Roadway Express
does have to pay to replace the tower, Tashjian Towers uses another carrier
to ship it.  And if it costs more, that's OK -- Roadway can pay for it!

Sorry if I'm venting a little guys, but I'm steamed.  Randy worked his butt
off, literally, to get this project moving; he's personally invested a
significant amount of time in creating the wooden callsign plaques that have
helped fund it, and personally arranged for two of our big corporate
donations.  He could have walked away with his hands thrown up in the air in
disgust, but he stuck to it, fought for it, SUCCEEDED... and now this?

73

-Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Ron Notarius W3WN
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:49 PM
To: DX Chat Reflector
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Don't Tell Me, It "Fell Off The Truck"


How do you lose a tower?

Seriously?

My local club, the Wireless Association of South Hills, has spent the last
18 months plus raising funds to purchase a mobile tower (see www.n3sh.org
for details).  When we had enough funds for the tower itself, it was paid
for and ordered from Tashjian Towers (formerly Tri-Ex).  Tower and base
mount were assembled, tested, and shipped, due to arrive today.

The person who has been organizing the project, Randy N3ZK, had arranged for
the tower to be delivered to his workplace so that there would be enough
people to unload the tower properly -- and sign for it too.

So, Randy gets a call from his warehouse people, telling him that Roadway
had come and gone... no tower.  He starts making calls.  The official word:
They lost it.

He called Tash Towers, talked to their shipping people.  First words they
said:  "They lost it?  How could they lose a tower?"

All I can say is, Roadway had better find that tower -- or get on the horn
to their insurance people.Meanwhile, I may have to have a word with one
of the newest members of the club... who recently passed the bar and is now
an attorney...

How can you lose a tower?  I'm just flabbergasted!

73

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Don't Tell Me, It "Fell Off The Truck"

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Just got off the phone with N3ZK.

*phew*  The tower showed up today.  Thank goodness!  Inspection (and yes,
they very carefully inspected it) showed that some bolts were missing, and
there's a question about the winch, but that's all being taken care of.  The
actual tower appears unscathed.

But... well, Randy gets a call from someone in his company's warehouse
around 11 this morning informing him that Roadway's driver has shown up with
the tower.  At 11:30, just as he's completing the inspection, he gets a
shout from one of the warehouse managers.  Randy is informed that the
manager has just gotten off the phone with Roadway, and THEY STILL DON'T
KNOW WHERE THE TOWER IS!!  Then the manager asks him, "by the way, what are
you doing here in the warehouse?"  Randy points to the truck and crate and
informs him, "That's Roadway's truck, and there's the tower, they just
delivered it!"

As of 4:00, Roadway STILL has no clue where the tower is, and allegedly is
frantically making phone calls trying to track it down.  5 hours AFTER
delivery.  Inspires confidence, doesn't it?

Anyway, all is well.  The tower is now safely in storage at a club member's
QTH, and the trailer is due to be delivered within a few days.  We may yet
have everything assembled in time for the club hamfest on February 25th --
no antennas yet, but it'll still look impressive, we hope!  (Antennas should
be there by Field Day... and we can mount the HexBeam on it in a pinch...)

Thanks for all the shipping stories, both here on the reflector and in
private.

73, ron w3wn

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RE: [DX-CHAT] QSLing KH6

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

It happens.  Not often.

While KH6 isn't exactly rare, it is sought after.  There are many ops out
there who for one reason or another hand the QSL duties over to someone
else.  I could come up with a laundry list of reasons, as can many on the
list, and we still wouldn't cover all of the possibilities.  So while we
don't know the "why," or "why's," obviously there's a reason.

You could try QSL'ing direct.  But don't be surprised if you don't get a
card back.  One of the simplest reasons might be that the manager, not the
op, has the cards... so if you're going to try that route, I'd suggest
including a filled-out card on his behalf that all he has to do is sign.

Look at it this way Mike, it could be worse.  There will be another one.
And at least you have a 160 antenna up right now, unlike some of us (working
on it)! 

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Mike W2LO
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:09 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] QSLing KH6


I recently worked a KH6 on 160 who, on his website, requests that QSLs go
via his European manager. Now considering that he lives in the same country
that I do it seems a bit much to request that I use an 84 cent airmail stamp
and a GS or two or an IRC to get his card back.
I realize that I should simply work another one but has anyone else
encountered this issue?

   Mike  W2LO


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RE: [DX-CHAT] QSLing KH6

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I have been privately blasted by a small number of amateurs over my reply
comments earlier tonight.

Apparantly these few feel that I am casting aspersions upon most or all KH6
amateurs because a number choose to use QSL managers.  And an apology has
been demanded by several of these.

Now... I am far from perfect, and I make more than my share of mistakes.
But I don't understand why commenting on the fact that several KH6 based
amateurs... to say nothing of those in KP2, KP4, KH0, KH2, etc... choose to
use a QSL manager warrants an apology.  Let's be honest... QSL'ing can be a
chore, especially for more active stations and for stations sought after.
That's why some amateurs choose to use a QSL manager.  Others, like myself,
look for ways to automate and otherwise streamline the process.  Personally,
I consider it something that comes with the territory, but I do not expect
everyone to feel that way.

It is unfortunate in this case that the station that W2LO worked uses an
overseas manager.  Why that station chooses to do so is something I lack
sufficient information to directly comment on, so I would give the benefit
of the doubt and assume there's a good reason.  And I can certainly
understand why he is less than thrilled with sending a QSL request overseas
when the station is located within the US, as it is a higher expense.  Which
is why I suggested he try direct with a "just sign this" card; whether or
not it works, well, we'll see.

But, how that casts aspersions on all KH6 amateurs?  That I don't follow.

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Don't you hate when guys use the Cluster for DXped operating suggestions?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Ranks right up there with a handful who make repeated ads on the cluster for
their particular web sites or services.  Irritating.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Barry
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:35 PM
To: Dx-Chat
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Don't you hate when guys use the Cluster for DXped
operating suggestions?


So I'm sitting across the room in the shack, doing something else, then
some nimrod does this:
DX de N4PN:   1834.0  1A4A Hw about 160m - Condx good!
0124Z GA
and gets me to run across the room after DX4WIN announces it to see
what's going on.  I see it's a false alarm and go back to whatever else
I was doing...

I'd start blocking individual spotters who do this, but there are too
many of them  :.(
73,
Barry




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Newtown, PA

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Don't you hate when guys use the Cluster for DXped operating suggestions?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Because it's a misuse of the system.  When I choose to monitor a packet
cluster, I'm interested in seeing who's QRV and what bands are open to
where; gives me some good starting points (and some ideas of where to avoid
pileups).

I am not monitoring the cluster to get ads every five minutes about another
cluster web site (with a URL that doesn't work to boot).  That's a misuse of
the ANNOUNCE function.  So I usually shut getting ANNOUNCEments off and
stick to spots.

Misuse of announcements ranks right up there with all of the spam merchants
hawking get rich quick schemes, diet pills that only serve to fatten the
merchant's wallets, and ads of a rather personal nature regarding bodily
appendages and useage thereof.  In fact, I wouldn't at all object to calling
it "cluster spam"

And... if there's something on the boobus toobus that I don't care for, I
can change the channel to another program.  But there's only one packet
network these days, and I feel it is improper that I have to stop using it
because others abuse it.

73
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
DAVE WHITE
  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:51 AM
  To: Dx-Chat
  Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Don't you hate when guys use the Cluster for DXped
operating suggestions?


  Errr...big deal.  So what?

  If you don't like it, switch the thing off.

  What do you do if something comes on the TV that you don't like?  Do you
sit there getting angry?  Durr?

  Dave G0OIL

  - Original Message 
  From: Ron Notarius W3WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: Dx-Chat 
  Sent: Friday, 5 January, 2007 2:06:28 AM
  Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Don't you hate when guys use the Cluster for DXped
operating suggestions?


  Ranks right up there with a handful who make repeated ads on the cluster
for
  their particular web sites or services.  Irritating.

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
  Of Barry
  Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:35 PM
  To: Dx-Chat
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Don't you hate when guys use the Cluster for DXped
  operating suggestions?


  So I'm sitting across the room in the shack, doing something else, then
  some nimrod does this:
  DX de N4PN:   1834.0  1A4A Hw about 160m - Condx good!
  0124Z GA
  and gets me to run across the room after DX4WIN announces it to see
  what's going on.  I see it's a false alarm and go back to whatever else
  I was doing...

  I'd start blocking individual spotters who do this, but there are too
  many of them  :.(
  73,
  Barry




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  Newtown, PA

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RE: [DX-CHAT] DXTELNET

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Windows XP Service Pack 2 by default sets up a firewall on your computer.
Try turning that off or adjusting the settings.

73
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
EA6BH "Bahia Azul"
  Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:27 AM
  To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] DXTELNET


  Before I used the program DX TELNET with Windows 98 II and it worked well,
but I put it with XP II and it are blocked continually, somebody  think of
the same problem

  Teo  EA6BH

RE: [DX-CHAT] Is this for real???

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Is this for real???Yup.
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
harris_ruben
  Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:19 AM
  To: dx-chat List
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Is this for real???


  Received today (via Google alert)
  Southgate Amateur Radio Club RSS Feed - http://www.southgatearc.org





  Scarborough Reef DXpedition
  Announcing the 2007 DXpedition to Huang Yan Dao - better known as
Scarborough Reef

  After three years of effort to obtain permission to land and operate from
the most needed entity in the world, that needed authorization has been
received.

  A multi-national team led by W6RGG will operate from Scarborough Reef for
ten days in late April 2007.

  BA1HAM and BV4FH have been instrumental in bringing this operation to
reality with ongoing support being provided by N4XP, N1DG, K5YY and N6MZ.

  A team is being assembled that will include members from Asia, Europe and
the USA.

  As with any DXpedition to a location such as this, transportation is very
costly and will be the largest single expense. Success will depend on the
contributions of the DX Community.

  Please QRX for more information as it becomes available and the web site
is activated.

  N4XP for the 2007 DXpedition to Huang Yan Dao.
  via Carl Smith, DX Magazine

[DX-CHAT] Rcvd: 6Y5WJ + LotW

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Received yesterday:

6Y5WJ direct (~1 month turnaround)

Confirmed via Logbook of the World:

CT6A (CQ WW CW 2006)
RN6HZ (2002 QSO)

73, ron w3wn
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RE: [DX-CHAT] T77NN QSL Rte

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Or T77NM?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of RUSSELL KELLAM JR
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:04 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] T77NN QSL Rte


What is the QSL Rte for T77NN? Hane been listening for 30 min since my QSO 
and have not heard him say. Tnx & 73 Russ W4UBC 

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RE: [DX-CHAT] T77NN QSL Rte

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Russ,

Can find no listing for T77NN, not even on the T7 call book online.  Could
it be Tony T77C that you worked?

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of RUSSELL KELLAM JR
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:04 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] T77NN QSL Rte


What is the QSL Rte for T77NN? Hane been listening for 30 min since my QSO
and have not heard him say. Tnx & 73 Russ W4UBC

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RE: [DX-CHAT] V51AS

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

This has been hashed out many a time on the DX QSL reflector.

Yes, he responds to cards.  When he gets them.
Yes, he has a mail problem.
Yes, many have offered to assist him in QSL'ing.  Until recently, he
declined.  That may have changed, but again, the DX QSL reflector is the
best place to get those answers.

73, ron w3wn
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Richard Diddams
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:49 PM
  To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] V51AS



  Does V51AS respond to QSL cards?  I noticed he has had over 67,000 hits on
QRZ.COM.

  I've worked him on a couple of bands and sent registered mailed (with
green stamps) and no response.  Does he have a mail problem and it doesn't
get to him?

  Anyone else having difficulty receiving QSLs from V51AS?

  73, Dick - W7QHE

RE: [DX-CHAT] DX who QSL or not

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Gang:

This thread is bordering on getting nasty.  Please keep it civil as per the
rules of the reflector.

Thank you.

73, ron w3wn
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[DX-CHAT] Administrivia: All DX Reflectors Are Not Created Equal

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Once again, a gentle reminder to all that is against the reflector rules to
post the same message to both DX NEWS and DX CHAT.

NEWS is for just that:  DX News and Information.
CHAT is for discussion and commentary on News and Information.

NEWS is for facts.
CHAT is for opinions.

Remember that there are many users of NEWS who only wish the news, not the
discussions and related non-news follow-ups.  That's why CHAT was set up as
a separate group.  Please respect their wishes.

Other reflectors have different rules, set by their owners, sponsors, and/or
administrators.  That is their choice, of course.  This is one of the
reasons why we strongly discourage cross-posting to other lists (it's not
the only one but I won't bore you with details).  Please don't.

Thanks, and good luck on BS7H

73, ron w3wn
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RE: [DX-CHAT] DX who QSL or not

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well Jerry, until recently, I never knew I was a member of the "QSL Mafia"
either... thank goodness THAT thread on eHam fell off the radar.

I think we have a few things in play here.  First, we seem to have something
of a breakdown in the last few years of the passing on of traditions -- not
everywhere, certainly, but in some areas.  And it's not just with QSL'ing,
but with many other facets of the amateur service.  The cause?  Simple.  As
licensing has become simpler and easier -- and let's NOT spin off into THAT
tangent, please -- you have more and more self-taught hams becoming active,
without the benefit of an Elmer, or a class or club to help them out and
give some pointers.  So, they learn the hard way (if they learn) -- on the
air.  It will only get worse under current rules.  In these cases, all we
can do is try and Elmer these folks as best we can -- they're making honest
mistakes, so it's up to us to teach them.  We'll end up with better hams for
it.

Second, there has been some fundamental shifts in the perceptions and
mechanisms of QSL'ing that I've seen in the past 35+ years since first being
licensed.  We've gone from the days where almost every ham (not all,
granted) QSL'd -- at least on request -- to the days where it's looked on as
an obsolete chore by a significant minority (a notion I disagree with, even
as I observe it).  We've gone from the days where sending a card via the
bureau for most DX contacts was almost a forgone conclusion, to the days
where there are so many QSL managers available (not that that's a bad thing,
I hasten to add!) that the bureaus have become a second-class system.  To
say nothing of managers who refuse to use the bureau, usually due to costs.

Third, and related to that, we've gone from the days where a green stamp
sent with a QSL request was usually a nice gesture (otherwise your card went
back via the bureau) to the days where some DX stations and managers demand
two or three or more green stamps or IRC's or no card.  The nice gesture, to
offer to help cover postage costs, is now expected or mandatory.

And related to that, there are many who now expect that their green stamps
or IRC's somehow entitle them to a card... full color, thank you, and right
now!  Makes you wonder sometimes how the really good QSL managers still have
any hair, and why it hasn't turned grey or white yet (from the abuse that
is, I'm speaking metaphorically not literally here!)  Heck, just look at all
the grief that KU9C to pick on one had to put up with while he was waiting
for the YX0 cards to come from the printers, delays completely beyond his
control.  I'd swear that there were more than a few ready to turn Steve in
for mail fraud because they hadn't gotten their card back in 3 or 4 weeks
after the DXpedition ended!  Unreasonable?  Yup -- and that's the point.

Now, I'm sure that there are many on the list who can counter each of these
reasons as "it's always been that way, you just never noticed."  True, but
my observation is that these types of behavior have gone from a very tiny
minority to a very significant fraction.

Are things better?  Are they worse?  Or are they just different?

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Jerry Keller
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:02 PM
To: Larry, K4WLS
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; (Reflector) DX-CHAT
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DX who QSL or not


It is not the cash that "requires" the return of a QSL, it is custom and
respect for tradition that require it. The cash is incidental and intended
only to help with expenses. Most DX stations have received QSLs with cash
for QSOs not found in the log... custom and tradition requires a response to
those as well... Not In Log the expenses of returning a QSL or a NIL are
the same.
Until this recent thread, I would have said this simple truth is understood
by everyone in the DX community, but apparently not.  The mind boggles
73, Jerry K3BZ


- Original Message -
From: "Larry, K4WLS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Charles Harpole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DX who QSL or not



- Original Message -
From: "Charles Harpole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DX who QSL or not


When I receive cash in a qsl request, I thank the sender silently and accept
this donation to my effort to return qsls.  Personally, I feel honor bound
to reply to those with cash and those without.  BUT, I do not think this
idea should automatically apply to other people.

My point is that one can not have it both ways that is, one can not send
money as a gift* and at the same time expect that the presence of money
REQUIRES a response.  To think it requires a return, means you are ordering
a qsl ... as any mail order from any vendor of a product... which is
basically the act of purchase.  How can it be otherwise--- if one sends $$$
with the expection of 

RE: [DX-CHAT] DX who QSL or not

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Yeah, that's what I thought... Groucho was actually a very smart man, wasn't
he?

Let's just say that there's a certain expatriate YL ham who has a very
definite opinion on QSL'ing.  Just search eHam.net for the term.  All I can
say is that this is one of those threads that I now wish I had stayed out
of...

Trying to show someone the "right" or "traditional" way to do things does
have it's pitfalls.  All we can do is offer to help and lead by example.

And on that thought... not trying to stray from the subject, but just keep
this in mind when we start seeing the influx of new-to-HF hams in the next
few weeks and months:  Griping won't change things, they're here to stay.
So either we lead by example, or we seriously risk watching HF descend into
the chaos of a self-fullfilled prophecy based on our worst fears of a
certain other radio service.  Our choice;  personally, I'd rather lead by
example.

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Jerry Keller
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:37 PM
To: (Reflector) DX-CHAT
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DX who QSL or not


What's the "QSL Mafia"?  How does one join?  Wait, never mind any group
that would let me in isn't one worth joining

Presuming to tell others the "right way" to behave is always a path with
many pitfalls.  The best way to pass on traditions and values is to always
try to observe them yourself (be an example) and... whenever possible
take the opportunity to politely draw attention to them if you can do so
without making someone feel or look bad.  It's a difficult, slippery
slope but that's the only alternative I see.  It's the same approach I
take with my grandkids, and it remains to be seen how well it will work, but
it feels like the right way to go about it.

No matter what we do, things will change. We shouldn't fight that, it's only
natural, but perhaps some of the old values and traditions can be
incorporated into the new ways and preserved for a while.

73, Jerry K3BZ

- Original Message -
From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "(Reflector) DX-CHAT" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] DX who QSL or not


> Well Jerry, until recently, I never knew I was a member of the "QSL Mafia"
> either... thank goodness THAT thread on eHam fell off the radar.
>
> I think we have a few things in play here.  First, we seem to have
> something
> of a breakdown in the last few years of the passing on of traditions --
> not
> everywhere, certainly, but in some areas.  And it's not just with QSL'ing,
> but with many other facets of the amateur service.  The cause?  Simple.
> As
> licensing has become simpler and easier -- and let's NOT spin off into
> THAT
> tangent, please -- you have more and more self-taught hams becoming
> active,
> without the benefit of an Elmer, or a class or club to help them out and
> give some pointers.  So, they learn the hard way (if they learn) -- on the
> air.  It will only get worse under current rules.  In these cases, all we
> can do is try and Elmer these folks as best we can -- they're making
> honest
> mistakes, so it's up to us to teach them.  We'll end up with better hams
> for
> it.
>
> Second, there has been some fundamental shifts in the perceptions and
> mechanisms of QSL'ing that I've seen in the past 35+ years since first
> being
> licensed.  We've gone from the days where almost every ham (not all,
> granted) QSL'd -- at least on request -- to the days where it's looked on
> as
> an obsolete chore by a significant minority (a notion I disagree with,
> even
> as I observe it).  We've gone from the days where sending a card via the
> bureau for most DX contacts was almost a forgone conclusion, to the days
> where there are so many QSL managers available (not that that's a bad
> thing,
> I hasten to add!) that the bureaus have become a second-class system.  To
> say nothing of managers who refuse to use the bureau, usually due to
> costs.
>
> Third, and related to that, we've gone from the days where a green stamp
> sent with a QSL request was usually a nice gesture (otherwise your card
> went
> back via the bureau) to the days where some DX stations and managers
> demand
> two or three or more green stamps or IRC's or no card.  The nice gesture,
> to
> offer to help cover postage costs, is now expected or mandatory.
>
> And related to that, there are many who now expect that their green stamps
> or IRC's somehow entitle them to a card... full color, thank you, and
> right
> now!  Makes you wonder sometimes how the really good QSL

RE: [DX-CHAT] Repeating message

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I've gotten those every now and then and am starting to get them on a more
regular basis lately.

The perpetrator is using his amateur radio status as an excuse to get you to
go to his web site and purchase artwork.  I've heard from others who've
gotten this UCE over the years (I think there was even a thread on either
eHam or QRZ about it a few years back) who have asked this induhvidual to
remove them from his list; he has to date declined in all instances.  He
also uses multiple addresses, so he obviously knows that he is irritating
many amateurs -- and doesn't care.

All I can suggest Tom is that if your ISP has an anti-UCE filter at the web
site (some, like my old ISP, FYI.NET, do), use it to block or otherwise
filter out the email out before it gets to you.

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Tom Anderson
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:30 PM
To: Dx-Chat
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Repeating message


Does anyone keep getting several times a week an e-mail from a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] that is a HUGE file especially when I'm on dialup?

This sure seems suspicious and I have never clicked on any of the links
in this message and don't intend to. It just takes several minutes to
download.  It always contains several "photos" of the same person
supposedly operating at 4U1ITU, etc.

Once was all right, but not several times a week

Tom, WW5L


The opening is always like the paragraph below.

Dear Om , Happy NewYear.  Since the beginning of this year 2007,
I am licenced 53 years as Radio-Amateur. I succeeded
in the exams in 1954.Herewith inclosed, some interesting
QSL's and photos of 4U1ITU and from ON4UB at the International
Exhibition (1958) in Brussels .+ QSL's  and painting ( Maria ).
Please take a look at the following Radio-Amateurs
-URL :
http://blog.seniorennet.be/paintinghistory/archief.php?ID=40


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[DX-CHAT] RE: [DX-NEWS] and another new one... (or even two...)...next step

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

It depends.

If the existing entity is removed (remember, we don't add anything to the
deleted list anymore) and replaced with two new entitites, all credits for
the existing FS/FJ entity are gone, and we'd all have to work the two new
ones.  Think Czechoslovakia before, Czech Republic and Slovak Republic
after.

OTOH, it may be decided that one (say, FJ) is the "new" entity, and the
other (FS) survives as the existing entity.  In this case, all of the old
cards still count for the old, and we still have a new one to work.  Think
of Yugoslavia -- as it's member-states became independant, the original
entity continued to exist and still does to this day (although now we call
it Serbia, the continuity with the original entity remains).

We'll find out soon enough!

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Henry
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:23 PM
To: dx-news@njdxa.org
Subject: Fw: [DX-NEWS] and another new one... (or even two...)...next
step


I have worked both an FS and an FJ in the past.  Will those count or
will I have to work them again?

Thanks

Henry  WA0GOZ


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[DX-CHAT] Denver in May

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I've just found out that I'm going to be going to a work-related conference in 
Denver, CO May 22nd & 23rd.  I'll actually be arriving in Denver the afternoon 
before, May 21st.

Any chance of getting together with any of the BARC gang or the Mile High 
DX'ers that night?  (Hmmm... wonder what propagation is like on 80 that time of 
year...)

Incidently, my wife is going to be QUITE unhappy with me.  First, I'll be gone 
the entire weekend before, since I'll be at Hamvention (you'll find the WASH 
Club at the University of Dayton dorms, incidently, but I'll try to make the 
NJDXA Suite Friday or Saturday nights).  Then, I get back sometime Sunday 
afternoon, only to be gone for three more days starting Monday.  AND going to 
Denver without her.  I think I'm in big trouble! [I guess I'd better start 
saving up for roses and diamonds and a nice dinner out afterwards now!]

73, ron w3wn


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RE: [DX-CHAT] Radio-Amateurs+ART

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Translation:  It's our own fault that he's spamming us, because we had the
audacity to make our email addresses available somewhere on the Internet
where Google or another search engine can find them.  And he has no control
over it.  So if you don't like it, trash it or don't post your email
address.

Sounds like a politician.  He just CAN'T help himself, so by enabling him,
it's your fault!

What a crock.  I'd be more specific, but this is a family reflector, and I'm
supposed to try and set a good example.

73

-Original Message-
From: Jim Reisert AD1C
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:06 AM
To: dx-chat@Njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Radio-Amateurs+ART


Here is a response I received back from ON4AW.  I had to laugh at the
"p.s.".

73 - Jim AD1C

[content edited for punctuation and spelling]

Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:56:27 -0700
From: "marie acke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Radio-Amateurs+ART

Dear OM Jim, thank you for your message. I cannot remove you from a
list, because I have no list. It has never been my intention to send
you more than once that mail. But I am searching for Radio-Amateurs on
the Internet with Google. That means, that without doubt, Google has
found you several times, and then, your mail is sent, together with
others, in a package. It is impossible for me to control if I have
already sent this mail to you, because up to now, more than 165000
hams from 121 countries have given me favorable answers. So if you
would receive the same mail in the future, this is not meant to bother
you or to annoy you. In such a case, please simply throw it into the
trash. Thank you.

Till we meet in a QSO on the 20 m band or the 15 m band, where we are
most active / 73 ON4AW

P.S. the simplest solution would be to remove your email from the
Internet. Your true friends and family-members know your mail. If some
radio-amateur-group has put you on the net, probably without your
consent, ask them to remove you.



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[DX-CHAT] eHam Post

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Just came across an interesting post on eHam.

It's under the classifieds section titled "SCAM."  In a nutshell, it's 
recounting an email received from CO8LY requesting monetary assistance for 
eyewear.

I won't repeat the whole thing here, but you can find it by going to 
Classifieds and scanning by category (if you're not an eHam subscriber, you 
can't read chronologically anything posted in the last 24 hourse, but you can 
by category)

I'm not at home right now, so I don't know if this Eduardo's correct email or 
not.  It just doesn't quite sound like anything I've ever seen him post 
before... it almost reads like some of the "Nigerian" scams... but I hesitate 
to label it as such without further checking.

Anyone know anything about this post?

73, ron w3wn


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RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: N8S Online Logs

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

All right.  Let's put a stop to this right now.

Folks, forgive me if I seem a little cranky, I just got back from a 12 hour
stay at the hospital (the wife is fine, although her appendix was granted a
trial separation around 0700 Z).  Still, I see that a few tempers are
starting to flare up, and before anyone crosses the line on what is and is
not allowed on this reflector, I'm going to ask everyone to cool off and
back off.

If you wish to continue a discussion about the merits of the N8S on-line
log, and if and how often you feel it should be updated, that's fine.  But
some of the name calling that's begun, and related comments, that must stop.
If you wish to bicker, please do it privately or elsewhere.

Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.

73, ron w3wn
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RE: [DX-CHAT] QSL problems

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

John, I don't know who you're alluding to as the greenstamp collector.  But
I've worked HC8N many, many times over the years, and the manager (W5UE) has
always been reasonably prompt with a QSL card.

I know he had some difficulties due to flooding around the time of Katrina,
but my understanding is that's no longer the case.

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:57 PM
To: Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH); dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] QSL problems


Thanks for the tip on the stateside manager.  E-cards dont do it for me ,
so LOTW is not an option.

73
John K5MO



At 06:27 PM 4/11/2007, you wrote:
>I have worked a very active station on Galapagos who uses LOTW, and he
>fires confirmation out in very short order.  I encourage you and everyone
>to get into LOTW.  This particular station also has a stateside QSL
>manager who is quite prompt.
>
>73,
>Mike, W5UC
>
>At 04:57 PM 4/11/2007, john wrote:
>>I wonder if it includes one particularly active station on Galapagos, who
>>has accepted several shipments of greenbacks over the years, but has not
>>yet coughed up a card.
>>
>>
>>John K5MO



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RE: [DX-CHAT] N8S

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well Mike, look on the bright side... and remember, you can't make this
stuff up...

Friday evening my wife went into the hospital with appendicitis; all is
well, and she came home late Sunday, but between one thing and another...

Monday afternoon I came down with a bad stomach flu ("oh yes, it's going
around" they all tell me) and was pretty much out until last night.

Last night,  no signals on the antenna.  Went outside, discovered the new
puppy dug up and chewed through the coax.  Spliced in a replacement piece
earlier today, discovered a bad PL-259.  All this while the wife is yelling
at me that she's the one recovering from surgery so I'd better not get sick
again!

I think I'll get the island next time around!

73
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike(W5UC) &
Kathy(K5MWH)
  Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:16 PM
  To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] N8S


From the N8S Online log:


W5UC20 m C

W5UC15  mC

W5UC17 m C

W5UC20 m R

W5UC15 m S

W5UC30 m C

W5UC160 m   C

W5UC40 m C

W5UC10 m S


Where is 80 Meters?  Mother Nature is really cruel some times.  We got
home from Dallas Sunday evening to find that the SNOW had accumulated on
limbs which fell on the 80 Meter coax and damaged the connection. YES, Snow
in East Texas in April. More at one time than we have seen if the last 14
years were added up.


I fixed the 80 meter delta loop today.  C'mon propagation.
sheeesss!


73,

Mike, W5UC












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[DX-CHAT] Coax

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Any suggestions on where to get good coax at a reasonable price without
waiting 5 weeks for Dayton?

Preferably Beagle-proof?

The puppy destroyed my spliced in section today... and dug up and chewed up
most of the ~60' RG8X run.  I am not a happy camper.  My daughter has
pleaded for mercy, so I haven't done something unmentionable to the pup...
yet.  (I have decided, though, that Lucy's last name must have been "Fur"
before... think about it)

I may have enough laying around to do a temporary replacement (and it's
going to be placed on the OUTSIDE of the fence this time... I kept it at
ground level to keep it stealth, I never figured on this!) which would make
this a moot point.  If not, then I have to decide whether to get a temporary
fix (RadioWorks has a nice deal on-line on a 100' section of RG-8X with
connectors for under $30) and wait for Dayton, or just bite the bullet & get
something done now.  I'm just so used to shopping at Dayton or at the
Breezeshooter's hamfest for coax needs that I'm at a bit of a loss as to
where to start looking.  Yes, you can find coax everywhere, but until you
get your hands on it, you don't always know what you're buying and how much
it truly is.

So much for N8S.  I wonder if I'll even get a shot at BS7H this time around?
Maybe someone is trying to tell me something...

And, no, I can't afford 50 ohm hardline right now.  Tempting as it is.

Any suggestions welcome.

73, ron w3wn



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Coax

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I don't think that the boss is quite ready to let me dig up the yard and
bury PVC.  Simpler solution for the moment will be to run the coax on the
outside of the fence where the pup can't get to it.

However, in about a year or so, I hope to do major work in the backyard, at
which time I plan to lay down a permanent coax run to the vertical.  At that
time (since I'll be digging up a good bit of it anyway) PVC becomes
realistic... and that is in the plans.

But Lowe$?  My remaining slaves, er, friends at Home De$pot would never
forgive me!  (unless they went to work at the new Lowe$ store!)

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike(W5UC) &
Kathy(K5MWH)
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX Chat Reflector
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Coax


At 05:57 PM 4/12/2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>Any suggestions on where to get good coax at a reasonable price without
>waiting 5 weeks for Dayton?
>
>Preferably Beagle-proof?

H, this sounds familiar.  It seems that only roughly a month ago
I decided I had had enough.  My rotor indicator had quit working, the
30 meter yagi feedline was shorted, and the 18 mHz antenna had a very
high SWR.  Lucifur?  U, no; &^$%$#@ squirrels!  So with an
adequate supply of LMR400 at hand we/I decided that the little
buggers had chewed up my coax & rotor cable for the last time, and it
was off to Lowe's.  Long story short, the transmission lines (except
the heliax) and rotor cable now go from the shack wall up the tower
inside a nice 110 foot run of 1.5" schedule 40 PVC pipe. You might
give it some consideration.

73,
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Coax

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Consensus seems to be the Wireman, so I'll look into that.  But in a close
second is the Radio Works, I'll look into that too.  I'm strongly
considering the RW cable as a "hold" until Dayton -- yes, I just did my
taxes! 

The suggestions on punishment for the dog were, ah, interesting, but I don't
think my daughter will let me.  There are also laws against some of those in
this state!  I just can't put temptation back in her reach -- or the
replacement coax within reach of her jaws, that's for sure!

Oh -- KQ3DX has tentatively offered me emergency loan of his shack,
hopefully on Saturday, to take a shot at N8S.  Considering things, I'd
rather have done it from home, but my choices (and time) are limited.  Of
course, the was things are going, I hope I don't bring disaster down on his
head!

Now, if anyone needs some short sections of unchewed RG-8X, let me know!

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Notarius
W3WN
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:58 PM
To: DX Chat Reflector
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Coax


Any suggestions on where to get good coax at a reasonable price without
waiting 5 weeks for Dayton?

Preferably Beagle-proof?

The puppy destroyed my spliced in section today... and dug up and chewed up
most of the ~60' RG8X run.  I am not a happy camper.  My daughter has
pleaded for mercy, so I haven't done something unmentionable to the pup...
yet.  (I have decided, though, that Lucy's last name must have been "Fur"
before... think about it)

I may have enough laying around to do a temporary replacement (and it's
going to be placed on the OUTSIDE of the fence this time... I kept it at
ground level to keep it stealth, I never figured on this!) which would make
this a moot point.  If not, then I have to decide whether to get a temporary
fix (RadioWorks has a nice deal on-line on a 100' section of RG-8X with
connectors for under $30) and wait for Dayton, or just bite the bullet & get
something done now.  I'm just so used to shopping at Dayton or at the
Breezeshooter's hamfest for coax needs that I'm at a bit of a loss as to
where to start looking.  Yes, you can find coax everywhere, but until you
get your hands on it, you don't always know what you're buying and how much
it truly is.

So much for N8S.  I wonder if I'll even get a shot at BS7H this time around?
Maybe someone is trying to tell me something...

And, no, I can't afford 50 ohm hardline right now.  Tempting as it is.

Any suggestions welcome.

73, ron w3wn



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Coax

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

What can I say?  She chewed, she didn't swallow!

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At 08:43 PM 4/12/2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>Now, if anyone needs some short sections of unchewed RG-8X, let me know!

OOPS, hold it, hold it, HOLE-DIT!  There is the problem right 
there.  I find the dog not guilty, and place all responsibility on 
your shoulders.  For some unknown reason the squirrels found the 
RG8-X far more delicious and did significantly more damage to it than 
to the other cables. Therefore you are apparently guilty for serving 
up such a tempting morsel. Case dismissed!

73,
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RE: [DX-CHAT] n8s logs

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

There was a note on DL5NAM's site (if I recall correctly) last night to the
effect that the N8S log had been taken out of the main list due to the
demand, but there was a separate radio button on the left to bring that up.
And it worked, I saw that my friends W3WH & KQ3DX both made multiple Q's
with the Swain's guys.

Anyone know offhand when the next update (if any at this point) is planned?
KQ3DX was kind enough to loan me his shack for 2 hours today, and I FINALLY
GOT THEM on 20 & 17 SSB... and I THINK I got them on 20 CW too, but some lid
started calling "CQ DX" with a chirpy signal and no ID right on top of them,
so I never heard the confirmation.

73, ron w3wn

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Well...there does not seem to me any way I can access the N8S logs.  The
site with the drop-down list of dx-calls has removed n8s from the list it
appears and their web page site has not been accessible for a few days
recently.  Anybody else have any luck?  73/dx
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[DX-CHAT] Re: U.S. Postal rates set to go up

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Pete,

If the ARRL or DXCC desk were to mandate LotW posting for DXCC approval, you
would hear even more screaming from a certain small but vocal element of the
DX community.  And frankly, mandating it would probably backfire on the
League.

I just can't see them doing it.

The continual increase in postage is going to put even more pressure,
though, for electronic or other non-postal confirmations.  Which in many
ways is sad... there's nothing like the actual feel of a QSL card... and I
for one get a small "kick" out of the 1932 W3WN card I have sitting in the
shack right now, it conveys a sense of history that a computer entry or .jpg
file online never will.

We're just going to have to figure out an alternative funding method for
DXpeditions.

One thought would be this... if I work your DXpedition, one of thousands of
W3's... why not permit me to confirm electronically via your web site, and
not only request your return QSL the same way, but cover the postage and a
"donation" cost on-line via a PayPal or similar service?  There are some
pitfalls in this, of course -- the biggest one of which is determining what
the minimum "charge" would be to cover postage and handling, closely
followed by the need to make any amount above and beyond that purely and
totally voluntary.  So it's a thought, but it needs work.

We can do better.  We should.  We will; we'll have to.

73, ron w3wn

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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Re: U.S. Postal rates set to go up


At 02:33 PM 04/26/2007, John Warren wrote:
>Lou KE1F wrote;
>
>>Is time to be modern and replace paper QSLs for QSO confirmation?
>
>Nope. I like browsing through my old-fashioned QSLs, and I'm quite
>willing to pay for that privilege. LOTW is fine as an option, but
>not as the ONLY method.

I'd be against the elimination of paper QSLing personally, but to be
honest I think the League should be doing more to promote LoTW. If
you're a casual operator and remember a lot of fun, special QSOs,
paper cards are a fantastic way to do this. On the other hand, what
does a DXpedition QSL manager need with 40,000 US hard-cards, or
big-gun contest stations for that matter?

I prefer getting paper QSLs for 80 and 160m QSOs, but I'd much rather
get LoTW hits for everything else -- especially contests, or when I
run Europe or JAs from home. Unfortunately, too, LoTW is not accepted
by CQ Magazine for CQ WAZ, 5B WAZ or other similar awards, so I still
need paper cards for each zone.

>>One way would be is to mandate that DX Expeditions put logbook on
>>LoTW if they want to be counted for DXCC credit.

The problem is donations to DXpeditions would dry up, or be curtailed
severely if everything was LoTW-only.
What I'd like to see the League do is say that beginning on a
specific date down the road, a DXpedition must agree to post their
complete logs to LoTW within one year of the operation if it is to
count for DXCC.

I'd also like to see entrants to ARRL-sponsored contests either be
required to submit to LoTW, be given bonus points for doing so or be
penalized for not doing so, or better still, use the contest robot to
automatically post the logs to LoTW.



Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT




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RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: U.S. Postal rates set to go up

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Ah, but the DX manager wouldn't neccesarily have to.

It is now possible to automate even the printing of the QSL cards, so that a
DX Manager wouldn't have to sit there with thousands upon thousands of
labels to process (just see the card I sent you for your C6A op as a perfect
example).  At the same time that one would "order" his QSL card(s), the op
could also designate his desired mailing address, and that envelope too
could be automatically printed -- and even automatically have the correct
postage electronically affixed.

So what would be left, the envelope stuffing?  Betcha even that could be
automated -- just find someone with access to a Pitney Bowes Documatch that
could stuff cards into enveloes...

There are a few DX stations already doing this, and the "new" Global QSL
system is a variation on the theme (and it's run by hams who are commercial
printers, from what I've gathered, so they have access to the right
equipment)

The catch, as you've correctly pointed out Pete, is that it opens the door
to the potential of someone "buying" a QSL card without a valid contact.  Or
someone "requiring" a donation above and beyond reasonable return postage
costs.  But those are human, not technical problems.  Figure out away around
them, it could work.  Maybe.

Like I said before, it's a thought, but it needs refinement.

73

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>One thought would be this... if I work your DXpedition, one of thousands of
>W3's... why not permit me to confirm electronically via your web site, and
>not only request your return QSL the same way, but cover the postage and a
>"donation" cost on-line via a PayPal or similar service?  There are some
>pitfalls in this, of course -- the biggest one of which is determining what
>the minimum "charge" would be to cover postage and handling, closely
>followed by the need to make any amount above and beyond that purely and
>totally voluntary.  So it's a thought, but it needs work.

Yeah, you could quickly devolve into a "charging for QSL" quagmire.
Besides, can you imagine being a DX QSL manager having to look up
40,000 addresses, format them for your labels, print and stick 40,000
address labels before even stuffing the cards? No, I think for QSL
direct, the old tried-and-true method is just fine, as is  the buro.
But if you just want a confirmation for an award, screw it...LoTW is
the best way to go.



Cheers,

Peter,
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Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Let us not also forget that, sad to say, there are those amongst the licensed 
multitude who... shall we say don't have all of their ducks in a row?  All of 
their marbles?  A few bricks shy of a load? 

They either don't (or can't) know better; or due to some twisted logic that 
exists only in the grey matter between their own ears, know what they're doing 
and are in some sick manner enjoying it.

Their license class (if any) or time licensed (if any) is irrelevant.  No 
amount of training will prevent the mentally ill or mentally diminished from 
completing their tasks at hand.

Fighting back in kind is not an option, as it only creates further chaos; 
sometimes I believe one of these rogues starts something up and manages to get 
one frequency cop at the throat of another, and then steps back and enjoys the 
fight.  No one "wins" -- the frequency cops beat each other up, the DX and 
those calling them get frustrated, and the sick twisted being that started it 
all has a moment of "glory" before the need to do it again descends upon them.

Name calling and finger pointing won't work.  "Policing" the frequency won't 
work and often has the oppposite effect of what is intended.

Ignore them.  As hard as it is.  If they have no audience, if they realize 
finally that their efforts are for naught as they're not gumming up the works, 
they'll go off elsewhere and do something else.

Don't give these cretins what they want and crave.  

73

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From: Peter Dougherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: BS7H

At 11:23 AM 05/02/2007, John Warren wrote:
>Larry K4WLS wrote:
>
>>If you wanted a "Give Away Extra", now you got it !!!   ENJOY all
>>the Lids, CB'ers, and QRM you invited in !!  I got BS-7H back in
>>'95 with a H.B. Vertical and 90W. Just for fun, bet I can do it again.
>
>Larry,
>
>There's no reason to believe that the BS7H QRM is due to the 
>newcomers into our hobby. Doubt that most of them know who BS7H is! 
>Much more likely to come from frustrated, impatient 20wpm OTs who 
>are near the top of Honor Roll.

Nope, I disagree with both of these. I'm not talking about frequency 
cops here, they're a different breed.

I think many of the real problem-children here are more likely 
General- and Advanced-Class(less) ops who wander cluelessly through 
the hobby. This type of op likely has 20+ year old un-maintained 
equipment, coax that's more green than copper and white inside, a 
lossy trapped tribander on a rusty old 30 foot tall TV tower and who 
knows where to find his buddies and not much else. Because his 
station is crap or his ears aren't working, he'll come up and start 
calling on top of the DX, not hearing anything, just keep at it. Or 
the other type who looks at his cluster connection, sees a spot for 
something he doesn't quite understand and just starts throwing his call in.

This last type is the kind of ham I knew a lot of when I was new to 
the hobby. This bunch gets excited when they have 20m SSB QSOs with 
Bulgaria, Latvia and the Czech republic (no offence to OMs from those 
FB countries intended) and ecstatic when they work a couple of JA, 
VKs and ZLs in a day. The concept of what BS7H really is is lost on 
them and they just blunder into the pile not understanding the 
dynamics involved, how to call, etc. They are NOT really DXers, 
they're wannabees or don't-wannabees.

Think of the guys you see at hamfests in coveralls or other 
ill-fitting clothes and callsign-hats, wandering around with moths in 
their wallets and between their ears. This type will criticize or go 
against anything that they can't understand or can't afford. They'll 
put down contesters and DXers with big stations because they can't 
afford to do it themselves, or don't want to take the time to learn. 
I think we all know a bunch of guys who fit this description to one 
degree or another.




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RE: [DX-CHAT] Best BS7H quote I have seen

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Because of scheduling (I haven't been in the new job long enough to take a
day or three off to work DX -- yet), I only had one shot at BS7H... Saturday
morning.  KQ3DX was kind enough to loan me his shack for about 2 hours,
which was during their opening to the East Coast (the opening might have
been longer, but I had to wait for Greg to get home from work!)

No, I didn't get him either.  Too short a window, and I just couldn't figure
out the pattern of the 20 meter op (and his annoying habit of bumping his
transmit frequency every now and then from 300 Hz to 1.5 kHz, and then
suddenly without warning moving back... accidentally hitting the VFO, or
trying to avoid the frequency cops?) until they started to fade... and then
there was a change in ops and a whole new pattern to figure out, and a band
fading.

And the catcalls (I really loved the one guy who went from screaming "what
about South America" on the transmit frequency who then switched to "It's
Only a Bees Nest!  It's Only a Bees nest!")

So it goes.  It would have been nice; next time.  Hopefully, if there's one
good thing this team did, it was to finally break through the log jam and
get the license... so the next team, whenever it is, won't have to fight
through the bureaucracy for years!

73

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At 11:23 AM 05/06/2007, Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote:
>>I had to
>>visit a better station to work the rare ones (my club's station, with
>>a Cushcraft X9 at 120' and a kW in the shack).
>
>I've always resisted that.  Even when I was in college and we had an
>X9 at the club station (K2CC), it was the rig in my dorm room and a
>wire or nothing at all.  Just a personal handicap on the whole DXing
>biz, but you're not going to see me whining on the cluster.  Of
>course, I was dorm hamming at solar max last time so I was knocking
>down new ones (T30 comes to mind) on 10m with a 12 foot wire.

heh. The club station in question for me was the Hall of Science in
Queens, WB2JSM, of which I'm a life member and past VP and station
manager. I don't restrict myself artificially when it comes to
all-time new ones, with one exception: I won't be spoon-fed on a
handicapped DX net. If I can't work from my home station I will visit
a station where I can work them from (and will let me use my own
call). I'll use full legal power, the cluster, my ears and anything
else that will give me an advantage and get my call in their logs.
Yes, I've used a DX net in the past, but would never dream of
accepting assistance from anybody on that net. If I work the guy, I
exchange signal reports and if I don't get through, so be it (this
was back in my 100W/wire days, before I knew better).

Luckily (???) I'm now at the point that anything I need will be
through DXpeditions. BS7H was number 300 in the log for me.


>I read that email on scarboroughreef.com ... you know, the profane guy
>with atrocious spelling... and I wondered what piece of crap he was
>trying to work BS7H on because I read his comments while I was hearing
>them just fine here near DC on my delta loop at 25 feet, and I have
>power line noise!

Yeah, another real piece ofwork.

Now AA8CH is ranting and whining on the e-ham DX forum, too. How much
you wanna bet he's a colonel or captiain in the DX Police Deptarment, too
:-)



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RE: [DX-CHAT] DXing pioneers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

About 4-5 years ago.  He showed up at Dayton, attended the DX Forum,
publicly apologized for his transgressions and to many that he had "wronged"
way back when, and announced that he'd identified a "new one" and was
working with some other DX'ers to activate it.

Haven't seen or heard a word from him since.

73

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Didn't Don Miller just get out of jail , relatively recently?

John


At 05:15 PM 5/6/2007, DAVE WHITE wrote:
>I wonder if I should visit him and ask for my QSL cards?  He cna't run
>away this time... :-)
>
>Dave G0OIL
>
>"Ronald Loneker Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>He's in Jail in California for massive credit card forgery according to
>what I have read...He deseres it! 73/DX Ron
>
>DAVE WHITE wrote:
> > Didn't Romeo Stepanenko get extradited from Cyprus to the USA a while
> > ago regarding some credit card fraud, or money laundering charge?
> > What happened to him?
> >
> > Dave G0OIL
> >
> > */harris_ruben /* wrote:
> >
> > O Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo?
> >
> > In a new very hot place, perhaps?
> >
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RE: [DX-CHAT] DXing pioneers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I do believe he's sitting in a California penal institution awaiting trial
on credit fraud.

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O Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo?

In a new very hot place, perhaps?

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RE: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Barry,

Let's not forget that rules changes in the last few years, including but not
limited to the "DXCC 2000" rules rewrite, will prevent the equivalents of
many of the "stupid" or questionable entities from ever coming into
existance again.  Until the next re-write or amendment, of course... and
frankly, I was surprised at how quickly and quietly the rules change that
allowed Swains in after all slipped through, but THAT is another story.

The bottom line is that due to the grandfathering clause(s), we can't remove
those entities that no longer meet the criteria due to a rules change, only
those that no longer meet it due to a political or geographic change.  (Want
rid of BS7?  Well... can you convince someone in the Chinese or Phillipine
Navies to use them for target practice?).

The current rules are stricter and clearer on what is and isn't an entity.
So we should have no more cases of "is it or isn't it," especially on the
basis of one or more individual's personal beliefs, influences and biases.
We're just going to have to grin and bear it on some of the old & unusual
ones!

73

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Subject: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)


For me, it's not a question of danger.  It's a question of "does it make
any sense?"  Here we have a few rocks sticking out of the ocean and the
only way to "inhabit" them is to build scaffolding.  This is a stupid
country.  How is it different from Okino Torishima (aka Baldwin's folly?)

Off the top of my head, there are other stupid countries, created by
stupid rules.  This is not meant to be all inclusive.  I'm sure there
are others:

4u1un & 4u1itu - both for obvious reasons.  Otherwise add every embassy
and American Indian casino.
Swains - a privately owned island becomes an instant country due to a
rule change (brings up the frequently bantered topic of a few prominent
DXers "making" countries.)

When the stupid rule is corrected, the stupid countries should not
remain on the list.  To me, it doesn't matter if a country is removed or
deleted.  The all-time DXCC list is a showing of how old someone is,
nothing more.

73,
Barry, W2UP
P.S.  In case you're wondering, I have them all and didn't need BS7
(except on RTTY.)


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RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well, here's the thing:  As I recall (Bernie et al correct me if I'm wrong),
there was a lot of discussion about what to do about "countries" and the
very beginning of what became the DXCC 2000 rewrite.  And there was a school
of thought that strongly suggested starting everyone over on 1 Jan 2000 with
a clean slate, and along with that, a refreshed list of "countries" (we
hadn't switched to calling them "entities" yet... I think)

And please, no brickbats, I was NOT a member of that small but vocal group
that thought this!

But, just for fits and giggles... imagine doing just that.  Convince some
other group to sponsor a DXCC-like award, for contacts starting 1 Jan 2000
(even though the 21st century actually started 1 Jan 2001, but let's not go
into THAT one again either), and for this hypothetical award -- call it "DX
21" for the sake of argument -- issue a new list of entities, based on the
current DXCC active list (forget the deleteds), but applying current
criteria to each and every one of them, plus evaluating other possibile ones
that have been eliminated under recent rules changes.

Many won't survive.  BS7H certainly wouldn't.  What about Scotland, Wales,
and the rest of the non-England parts of the UK?  Desecheo?  Navassa?
Sable?  Ducie?

What about the "special" cases:  The Spratley's?  Do you keep the UN Hq?  If
so, what about the Council of Europe HQ?  The Vatican?  SMOM?  ITU Hq?  How
about the UN Vienna?

I could go on, but you get my drift.  Either way for many of these, stay or
go... at least apply the new "DX 21" rules consistently.  How will this
affect DX chasing?  To say nothing of little discussions like this thread...

I can understand all too well why no one wanted to undertake the controversy
that a change like this would have entailed.  But it's interesting to think
about!

73

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:32 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H thoughts


At 06:59 AM 05/10/2007, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote:
>Back to the one and only way to remove a current counter from the DXCC
list.
>The only way is if the said entity no longer meets the criteria in which
put
>it on the list to begin with.  Rules that are made up afterwards do not
>affect its status.  Remember BS7H was added to the list back in the mid
90s.
>Then afterwards in an effort to not have any others added to the list like
>Scarborough Reef the "100 meter high tide" rule was added.  Believe me you
>don't want to remove anything off the DXCC list, unless it does not meet
the
>criteria.

I don't think there's a solution to this that will please everybody.
I'd personally like to see the rules overhauled completely at some
point down the road, but how that could be accomplished I really
don't know. I'm not in favour of creating new ones by rule changes,
nor deleting/removing old ones by fiat either, but the mish-mash that
exists now is somewhat bizarre and could use a revamp at some point.

I'm definitely not in favour of mollycoddling DXers and DXpeditioners
by removing tough- or dangerous-to-activate entities just because
they're tough or dangerous to activate. Free will is truly a wonderful
concept.




Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT



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RE: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Palmyra was always privately held.  It's just held now by a nature
preservation group instead of a family.

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Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)



Barry wrote:

> For me, it's not a question of danger.  It's a question of
> "does it make any sense?"  Here we have a few rocks sticking
> out of the ocean and the only way to "inhabit" them is to
> build scaffolding.  This is a stupid country.  How is it
> different from Okino Torishima (aka Baldwin's folly?)

Agreed ... where it s not possible to even set up a table for
operating without first building a platform to create a level
surface, that entity certainly fails any test of common sense.
I cannot see how this is any different than Okino Torishma,
Sealand - or granting "country" status to oil and gas E&P
platforms.  BS7H should be removed from the DXCC list as
failing to meet any reasonable standard for acceptance - it
should have never been added under any objective rule set.

> 4u1un & 4u1itu - both for obvious reasons.  Otherwise add
> every embassy and American Indian casino.

That's a little different - 4U1UN and 4U1ITU met objective
criteria when accepted.  The criteria ("separate administration")
was later deleted just to prevent turning DXCC into "worked all
embassies and reservations."

> Swains - a privately owned island becomes an instant country
> due to a rule change (brings up the frequently bantered topic
> of a few prominent DXers "making" countries.)

Agreed ... again private islands and sanctuaries where public
access is not permitted have no business being made countries.
The same should be said of Palmyra now that it s privately
held (The Nature Conservancy).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:48 AM
> To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
> Subject: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)
>
>
> For me, it's not a question of danger.  It's a question of
> "does it make
> any sense?"  Here we have a few rocks sticking out of the
> ocean and the
> only way to "inhabit" them is to build scaffolding.  This is a stupid
> country.  How is it different from Okino Torishima (aka
> Baldwin's folly?)
>
> Off the top of my head, there are other stupid countries, created by
> stupid rules.  This is not meant to be all inclusive.  I'm sure there
> are others:
>
> 4u1un & 4u1itu - both for obvious reasons.  Otherwise add
> every embassy
> and American Indian casino.
> Swains - a privately owned island becomes an instant country due to a
> rule change (brings up the frequently bantered topic of a few
> prominent
> DXers "making" countries.)
>
> When the stupid rule is corrected, the stupid countries should not
> remain on the list.  To me, it doesn't matter if a country is
> removed or
> deleted.  The all-time DXCC list is a showing of how old someone is,
> nothing more.
>
> 73,
> Barry, W2UP
> P.S.  In case you're wondering, I have them all and didn't need BS7
> (except on RTTY.)
>
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RE: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Sounds like WorldRadio's Worked 100 Nations award.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Zimmerman
N3OX
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Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)


Why do you feel that each entity should have a permanent population?
Why not start a seperate award for that instead?

In fact, I bet there already is one.

Dan


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[DX-CHAT] RE: Mid-Atlantic QSO Party: 1600Z, May 12 to 0400Z, May 13

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Sorry, you're going to have to count me out.  I have something WAY more
important to do... my boy's finally graduating from college on Saturday, and
after all these years of heartburn and empty wallets, you'd better believe
I'm going to be there to watch him get that piece of parchment!

73

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From: sroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:03:45 -0400
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Subject: [DX-NEWS] Mid-Atlantic QSO Party: 1600Z, May 12 to 0400Z, May 13



Hope all you MA op's are ready. Would like to see every MA station out
there.

I'll be operating from Brooklyn QTH, and mobile from various grids.

Gud luck!
73!
Mid-Atlantic QSO Party: 1600Z, May 12 to 0400Z, May 13
Mode:   CW/Digital, SSB/FM
Bands:  160, 80, 40, 20, 15, 10, 6, 2, 222, 440
Classes:Single Op (QRP/Standard)
Multi-Op
Mobile
Max power:  non-QRP: 200 watts
QRP: 5 watts
Exchange:   DE,MD-DC,NJ,NY,PA,VA,WV: Serial No. + 3-character
county + 2-character state
non-MA: Serial No. + (state/province/"DX")
Work stations:  Once per band per mode
QSO Points: 1 point per phone QSO
2 points per CW/digital QSO
3 points per QSO with mobile (regardless of mode)
Multipliers:MA Stations: Each state, province/territory, MA
county once only
MA Stations: one mult for QSO with at least one DX country
non-MA Stations: Each MA state, county once only
Score Calculation:  Total score = total QSO points x total mults

Submit logs by: June 12, 2007
E-mail logs to: logs[at]walterobrien[dot]com
Mail logs to:   Mid-Atlantic QSO Party (MAQP)
P.O. Box 4922
Clinton, NJ 08809
USA
Find rules at:  HYPERLINK
"http://www.maqp.info/rules.htm"http://www.maqp.info/rules.htm

73,

Mike

AB2IO


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