Re: Water + Electricity
Hi Joe, Postive results from the mixing of water and electricity can be found in primitive desalinization techniques, and also as a means of generating small quantities of hydrogen for laboratory use. Level detection in water-containing vessels is another one as is the indirect heating of water (as in an electric tea kettle). Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * == On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Joe P Martin wrote: Greetings, A friend of mine is teaching elementary school students on the dangers of mixing water with electricity. However, he also wants to show examples of situations where water and electricity mix, yet does not cause a problem. Does anyone have any examples? Also, does anyone have a great elementary school explanation as to what elements or conditions are needed to be present before water and electricity become dangerous? All responses are appreciated. Joe Martin Applied Biosystems marti...@appliedbiosystems.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Books / EMC in Installations
Hello Amund, See www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html and more specifically, www.safetylink.com/bookshop/william2.txt Regards, Art Michael On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 am...@westin-emission.no wrote: Looking for books which describes Good EMC practise when building a system / installations. Any suggestions ? Bets regards Amund Westin, Oslo / Norway --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Hazardous Area Designations/Certifications
Hello Chris, While I can't supply specifics, I expect you can find what you need on Links available on the Safety Link www.safetylink.com Once you arrive therein, using your browser's FIND function (Control-F in most browsers), search on the following terms: ATEX Ex Scheme HAZLOC Intrinsic Safety You will be delivered to links to sites with a plethora of info on these subjects. Best regards, Art Michael, Webmaster - the Safety Link On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Chris Maxwell wrote: Hi all, I have been asked a question regarding the following: use in a Zone 1 and Zone 2 classified area. This equipment shall be certified EEX d and EEx n by a relevant authority (e.g. BASEEFA, CENELEC etc.) and shall be suitable for Gas Group IIB and Temperature Class T3. Can anyone elaborate on the above information? What standard defines Zone 1 or Zone 2? What standard defines EEX d and EEX n? What about Gas Group IIB and Temperature Class T3? Any clarification, elaboration, elucidation and/or explanation that the group members could provide would certainly be appreciated. Thanks, Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 797 8024 NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Nema 5-15R sockets
Hello Jim, I don't believe the orientation of the U-ground pin is declared anyplace in the NEC. When I recently approached my local AHJ with this question he related that it is a matter of custom (locality dependent). In this area, central Connecticut, the custom is: For commercial/industrial applications, U-Ground topmost For household wiring, U-Ground towards the bottom The rationale offered for the U-Ground topmost; if the plug partially separates from the outlet, anything falling into the opening between the plug and the outlet will first encounter the grounding pin. (seems to me that argument holds whether the use is commercial/industrial or household). Re dimensions of the outlet; send me your fax # and I'll fax you the dimensions. Regards, Art Michael -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |http://www.safetylink.com | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | |of product safety and standards links on the WEB| |Check our latest offer. | || || | Int'l Product Safety News | | Founded in 1988 | || | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | |Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | | email: i...@safetylink.com | -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Jim Eichner wrote: A couple of questions about our standard North American 120Vac socket: 1. Orientation: We have lots of people in the office here on both sides of this one, and I can't find a normative reference in the CEC or the NEC. Which is the correct way up when installing a socket on a wall - ground pin above the L and N blades, or L and N above the ground? What is the code reference for this requirement, or is there none? 2. Dimensions: Can anybody share the spec's for the dimensions, with tolerances, of the line, neutral, and ground blades for this configuration? I'm sure it's in the UL and CSA standards but I don't want to spend hundreds of $ for a one-time question. We have no on-going need for these standards! Thanks in advance for your help, Regards, Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Manager, Engineering Services Xantrex Technology Inc. Mobile Power web: www.xantrex.com http://www.xantrex.com Any opinions expressed are accidental. I have none. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Class 2 Power Unit
Hello Brian, To my recollection (and in simplified form): Maximum Output voltage, less than 30V rms/42.2V peak/60V DC (including open circuit) Maximum Output current, less than 8 Amps, at one minute of overload, including short-circuit Charts and Tables within the standard further clarify the requisites. Best regards, Art Michael The Safety Link www.safetylink.com o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-0-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o The Web's Most Comprehensive Collection of Electrical Product Safety Standards Resources On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Brian McAuliffe wrote: Can anyone define, or point me to a definition of, a Class 2 Power Unit i.e. as covered by UL 1310. I know I could buy the standard to find out but .. Brian McAuliffe MCA Compliance Solutions Ltd Unit 2 Lissane Business Park|Clarecastle|Co.Clare|Ireland w: www.mcac.ie e: i...@mcac.ie t: +353 (0)65 6823452 m: +353 (0)87 2352554 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Seeking Requirements for Electric Wheelchair/ATV ??
Hello All, Are there any US and/or Canadian electrical safety requirements (beyond battery charger concerns) for electric vehicles -in this case - a vehicle that's cross between an electric wheelchair and an ATV (off-road, all terrain vehicle) Also interested in any other regulatory requirements that may apply to this sort of product. ThanX in advance, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: New China Compulsory Certification Scheme
Hello again, I learned this morning that when this message was sent last Friday, the form for the Free Trial issue (covering CCC) was not working (although it certainly appeared to be operational). It is now functioning correctly. Sorry about that :-( Please resubmit if you'd like a copy of that issue of IPSN at no charge. Regards, Art Michael On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Art Michael wrote: Hello Rich et al, If you visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and click on the acronym CCC you will be taken to a page where the official documentation resides (pdf files, in English) and, there's no need to register to gain this valuable and useful information. And, the new China Compulsory Certification marking scheme was covered in the current issue of Int'l Product Safety News. If you'd like a copy (no-charge, snail-mail only), please provide your full contact details by return email - or click on the Free Trial button near the top of the Safety Link and fill out the form. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: Here is more information on the new scheme. http://www.esimcom.com/aak2_0_1_2/simcom_about/cccmark.asp --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: New China Compulsory Certification Scheme
Hello Rich et al, If you visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and click on the acronym CCC you will be taken to a page where the official documentation resides (pdf files, in English) and, there's no need to register to gain this valuable and useful information. And, the new China Compulsory Certification marking scheme was covered in the current issue of Int'l Product Safety News. If you'd like a copy (no-charge, snail-mail only), please provide your full contact details by return email - or click on the Free Trial button near the top of the Safety Link and fill out the form. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: Here is more information on the new scheme. http://www.esimcom.com/aak2_0_1_2/simcom_about/cccmark.asp --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE - the abbreviation
Hello Dan, CB stands for Certification Body. Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Roman, Dan wrote: My understanding also but here is one I've never figured out, what does CB stand for in the CB Scheme of things? Dan -Original Message- From: Alan E Hutley [mailto:nutwoo...@nutwood.eu.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:37 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: CE - the abbreviation Hi Amund I have always understood it to mean Conformite Europeenne. And that it indicates that the manufacturer has satisfied all assessment procedures specified by law for its product. It is not of course a quality mark. Alan E Hutley www.compliance-club.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Safety Link Offers Classifed Ads to EMC-PSTC members (no-charge)
Hello Cortland et al, In light of and reaction to the current depressed business cycle - the Safety Link www.safetylink.com, is offering a new no-charge service that should be of interest and value to you. A Classified Ads section has been added; you can find it's link near the top of the Safety Link's website. At present, the no-chage ads are limited to: 1) Individuals seeking employment in the Electrical Product Safety and EMC conformity assessment fields; If you are among those on-the-street (or nearly so) you are invited to input your own Classified Ad of up to 500 characters. You can include your contact info and a web address where your resume can be found. And, if you don't have a place to mount your resume, I'll mount it at no charge within the Safety Link's webspace; just email it to me in Text (preferred), MSWord or Adobe PDF format after you've submitted your ad and I'll mount a pointer to it from your Classified Ad. Send it to jobwan...@safetylink.com Should you find work, please advise so I can remove your ad in a timely manner. 2) Individuals(*) who have used conformity assessment equipment for sale, or seek same. As business needs shrink and grow, conformity assessment test equipment needs follow. Use this opportunity to either sell your surplus gear or to seek used conformity assessment test equipment. As noted above, you can input your own advert after clicking on the Classifieds Ad link/button on the Safety Link. (*) Individuals meaning - those not engaged in the buying and selling of used equipment as a regular business. Best regards Good Luck, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Japan
Hello All, On the Safety Link www.safetylink.com you will find three links to DENAN resources, including one to Tom Satos' Introduction, another to a tentative translation of the law, and a third to a tentative translation of the Appendices and Forms. I believe you will find the information you seek among the Appendices and Forms section. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 --- On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Bill Lyons wrote: In message 3c5ef555.87ce...@post7.tele.dk Kim Boll Jensen writes: Hi Does any one have the DENAN list of electrical equipment which is under the approval scheme in Japan. And also information to which standards equipment have to be tested Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Kim, I don't, but I know a guy who does - Tom Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp. I'm sure he won't mind my having mentioned his name and he has been a great help and adviser to the fraternity. Bill -- Bill Lyons - b...@lyons.demon.co.uk / w.ly...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Haz Loc Testing
Hello Rich, If you visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and then search for the term hazloc using your browser's Find function (often Control F), you will find 3 adjacent links to very good resources on this topic. Immediately below those links you will find one on Intrinsic Safety, a closely related subject. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: It would be appreciated if someone would provide me with a brief overview of the testing that is performed in order to classify electronic equipment for use in a hazardous location where fuel vapors are located. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: What about 480 VAC in Europe? RE: 2 Phases in North America
Hello Andrew, et al; World Electricity Supplies which has been referenced in this thread is available from the Int'l Product Safety Bookshop which can be found on the Safety Link at: www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html Regards, Art Michael -- On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Andrew Carson wrote: Peter The star distribution with the center point neutral runs from the distribution grid substation to the facility. So the utility company provides the consumer with the four wires, which they then distribute as required. In a residential area, the three phases are split every third house, providing each residence with a single phase and a neutral. The logic here is that if one phase fails, the whole street is not plunged into darkness. A very good handbook I recommend is World Electricity Supplies published by BSi Standards. Covers all the worlds distribution voltages up to 22kV grid level. Plus shows you what phase configuration is used by the generator to distribute the power. Peter Tarver wrote: Andrew - Please clarify something for me. Is the utility distribution star configured (WYE connected), rather than DELTA? Or are you speaking only wrt typical distribution within a building? (In the US, distribution is generally used to reference utility power distribution, for instance, distribution transformer, as opposed to facility transformer.) I ask because DELTA is used by utilities in the US and Canada to simplify connections save the unnecessary cost of running a Neutral (star reference point conductor) between distribution transformers (or so it was 'splained to me, Lucy). Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: Andrew Carson Terry Then nominal EU phase to phase voltage is 400VAC with a +6/-10% Tolerance. Distribution is Three Phase Star, Earthed Neutral. Snip Andrew Carson - Senior Compliance Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 -- Andrew Carson - Senior Compliance Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: general product classification
Hello Stuart, Visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com, then, using your browser's FIND function (Control F for IE or NetScape), input the term New Approach (Cooperative site This will take you to a link that delivers your query to the EU New Approach site. Upon arrival there, click on the link titled, Directives and Standards Then drop down to the Directive of interest to you (such as 73/23/EEC Low Voltage Directive) and select the associated link titled, Shortcuts to standards giving presumption of conformity on Low Voltage equipment This will take you to an extensive listing of standards associated with the 73/32/EEC. You can follow the same scheme for any directive. Regards, Art Michael P.S. Call me if you have difficulties following the above scheme (860) 344-1651 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Stuart Lopata wrote: If I have product xyz (generic) how do I go about finding the relevant standards that it must comply with for EN-BS/IEC/ETSI (European)? Of course, simply by looking at the list of standards titles I can get somewhat of an idea if they are relevant. However, I cannot view their scope without buying the standard first. Any ideas? Sincerely, Stuart Lopata Rookie Compliance Engineer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Safety warning symbols
Hi Nick, A visit to the Safety Link www.safetylink.com (and then a search with your browser's Find function - Control F - in many cases - on the terms markings or symbols will turn up links to at least 4 locations on the net, including a functioning IEC site, the Cellotape site, the Hazcom site, and another). I cannot vouch for the quality of the images. Another source for symbols is the Patton Associates site, which can also be found on the Safety Link. Also, I believe there is an ANSI standard which may be of use (but this is not likely to be found on the Net). Best regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Nick Williams wrote: Does anyone have, or know of a good source of, safety warning logos for machinery and equipment in vector graphic format? I'm thinking of things like logos to warn against things like entanglement hazards, crushing, noise etc. I don't mind paying for these if there is a resource which can provide them in a format which will save me from having to re-draw them. I can handle and edit most graphic file formats for either PC or Mac platforms. I specifically do not want scanned images since the resolution is unlikely to be sufficient. Regards Nick. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: UL vs CSA (IT product)
Hello all, A semantics clarification is offered based on the following response; On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Ralph Cameron wrote: CSA accepts approval by ULC. The C is indicative of Canadian UL. ULC is the acronym for Underwriters Laboratories of Canada ( a UL affiliate). They, no doubt, are accredited as Testing and Certifying Organizations by the Standards Council of Canada. (And, as an aside, I believe they may also be Recognized by OSHA, to test and certify to US requirements) UL is normally not acceptable by itself in Canada It's not clear whether the above sentence refers to UL (the company) or UL (the mark). In the hopes of clarifying the statement, consider the following; C-UL is the proper acronym for products tested and certified by UL (in the US, or Canada, or elsewhere - I expect) to Canadian Standards. UL (the US company) is also accredited by the Standards Council of Canada as Testing and Certification Organizations and their C-UL (and C-UR for components) marks are accepted in Canada. Regards, Art Michael P.S. The Safety Link noted the entry of its 350,000th visitor (since mid-1995) last Friday. You are invited to visit and use this resource. Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - Ralph Cameron EMC Consulting and Suppresion of Consumer Electronics (after sale) --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Can't access the archives
Hello Ron, RCIC.com, also known as cfont.com, also known as CliteHouse.com, have gone away as they say in the UK. It was shut down at the beginning of August. I believe plans are underway to move the archives to the redesigned PSTC webpages - due soon. And, this would be a good time to express your thanks to Tom Bao tomj...@yahoo.com for publishing and maintaining RCIC for the past 6 years. It was a useful resource for our industry and will be missed. Best regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News(devoted to electrical product safety compliance) A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Ron wrote: I can't access the archives of the EMC-PSTC which is at http://www.cfont.com/cnf/ . Any help is appreciated. Thanks Ronald Cyprowski Vascor Inc. 566 Alpha Drive Pittsburgh PA 15238 412-963-7438 x139 r...@vascor.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: LVD testing suite for ITE devices
Hello Stuart, EN 60950 will provide a good start (and keep you quite busy for a while). Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Stuart Lopata wrote: Can anyone point me to specific tests and standards applicable for safety testing for ITE devices? Specifically, we are looking to meet the low voltage directive for computers and computer peripherals ( such as hardware that plugs into the bus slots and wireless networking equipment that connects to pcmia or ethernet ports). Sincerely, Stuart Lopata --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Electroshock exercising devices ...
Hello PSTC-ers Further and contrary to the ideal requisites noted below by Richard Woods, TENS and Muscle Stimulators ARE sold, via mail-order from the back of Muscle-builder magazines (without any restrictions or need for prescriptions). They can also be found in shops in most any Chinatown here in the USA. These are sold over-the-counter, for sums in the vicinity of US$25.00 or less, without prescriptions and without doctor's orders. You can even find them on E-Bay once in a while. They are usually powered by AA batteries (or sometimes, 9V batteries); I guess the industry sense is that they don't require agency approval (the agencies we work with daily). And, I've never noted any agency markings or notations on the ones used by professionals (physical therapists) either. In their case - they sometimes open the units, set the levels, seal the units, and allow patients to take them home for self-monitored therapy sessions. And, to borrow Richard's words, Approvals? What Approvals? Regards, Art Michael, the Safety Link www.safetylink.com o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-0-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o - On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 wo...@sensormatic.com wrote: TENS units (Transcutaneous electronic nerve stimulation) are widely used to treat pain. Muscle stimulators work on the same principle. Nerves will activate (e.g., muscle contraction) with an e-field of 1.2 V/m. Here is a spec for a typical TENS: Pulse amplitude: 0-80 ma, adjustable Pulse freq.: 2-150 Hz, adjustable Pulse width: 50-250 usec, adjustable Maximum open circuit voltage: 100V Maximum charge: 16 mC/pulse TENS are available only with a prescription and the user manual says to use the device only as directed by your doctor. The devices are battery operated, transformer coupled and impedance limited, so they are considered to be safe even under a fault condition. One safety note - it should not be used where a current path would cross the heart since the pulses might be disrupt the heart beat. My guess is that the exercisers operate on a lower power level in order to get under the FDA regulations - just enough power to stimulate the nerves. Approvals? What approvals? Richard Woods -- From: Doug McKean [SMTP:dmck...@corp.auspex.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Electroshock exercising devices ... These things have been around for a while, IIRC. Basically, you hook up a pad or pads to places on your body, adjust the level of muscle contraction you think you need, and off you go exercising your muscles while you ... walk the dog, read a book, ... I have several questions: 1. How the heck do these things get approval? 2. What standards include these devices? 3. How in the heck do you label these things for warnings? I.e. languages? 4. Is there any evidence continued electrocompulsive activation of muscle causes any sort of permanent nerve damage? 5. Is there some sort of history with these things regarding failures and injuries to the users? - Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old
Re: CEN home page
Hello Amund, It's working this morning (accessed from the USA). Try again. Best regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- On 6 Aug 2001 am...@westin.org wrote: The CEN web-site (www.cenorm.be) has been down for many days. Do you know that is going on ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: Safety
Hello KC, A) Visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and check the subsection titled, Safety Articles, FAQs, MRAs, etc. B) While at the Safety Link, take a look at the bookshop link (near the top of the page). Regards, Art Michael, Webmaster - The Safety Link Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, KC CHAN [PDD] wrote: Members I am responsible for EMC stuff, but I need to know something about Safety. Could anyone advises some good reference materials from the internet about safety? such as basic concept, definitions, EN60065, EN60950 and UL. Thank you KC Chan --- --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: Australia Safety Agency Contacting
Hi George, If you mean Standards Australia, there's a link to their site on the Safety Link www.safetylink.com (Perhaps they changed their name.) Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 geor...@lexmark.com wrote: Fellow PSEs, I need to ask a question about exporting a prototype AC/DC Adapter to Australia for evaluation prior to official certification of the equipment. It is my understanding that I need to contact the Standards Association of Australia (SAA), but cannot find a website or other contact info via the internet. Does anyone have such information at hand? Regards, George Alspaugh Lexmark International Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: CE or CB ?
Hello Dan, On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Dan Pierce wrote: I am in the process of introducing product into the EU and possibly world wide. I was shown that the CB mark testing covers all the countries in the EU that we plan to sell to and other countries as well. Is this a new mark? CB is not a mark. CB (Certification Body) is a short-name for the CB Scheme, which is the abbreviation for the IEC System for Conformity Testing to Standards for Safety of Electrical Equipment (also know as IECEE). It is a scheme (means) for sharing electrical safety test data and reports among member bodies (30++ countries) in order to gain a mark, or marks, in those countries of interest to you. In recent years it has expanded to cover EMC (in some countries) and HazLoc equipment too (IECEx). Would I be better off getting the CE mark and then test to other countries applicable standards or the CB mark? CE Marking is required in the EU and is accepted in some other countries nearby the EU. It is not a safety marking, but an indication of compliance with EC Directives (which may have safety implications). The test facility that provided me with the information was Intertek Testing Services, in California USA. I planned to test to: EN55013 EN55020 TBR21 61000-3-2 61000-3-3 Feel free to contact me offline if you have further questions on this subject. You can read about the CB Scheme (and it's variants) on the Safety Link www.safetylink.com; Just search on the term CB. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - Daniel J. Pierce Sr. Design Engineer OpenGlobe, Inc. (An Escient Technologies Affiliate) 6325 Digital Way Indianapolis, IN 46278 mailto:dpie...@openglobe.net P: (317) 616.6587 F: (317) 616.6587 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: Safety Incidents
Hello Richard, If you need details re the Recall aspect, visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and using your browser's Find in Page tool, search for the term recall handbook. This will take you to a link to CPSC's handbook on this subject. Searching on the term recall will yield a link to another site addressing product liability. Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering Chinese Product Safety* * Compliance, by William Kelley * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 wo...@sensormatic.com wrote: My company has a standard process for the reporting and follow up of alleged safety incidents concerning our products. We are now attempting to create a standard format for the final report to ensure that all of the necessary aspects of the investigation are complete and adequately documented from both an engineering and legal aspect. Is there anyone out there that would share with us any information they have in this regard? Or, can you point me in the right direction to find the information? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: Class I Division 1 versus Class I Division 2
Hello Robert, A visit to the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and an in-page search on the term hazloc will deliver you to a spot within the Safety Link with several very good tutorials and other resources on this topic. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Loop, Robert wrote: Hello Group, I need some education on Classified/Hazardous locations. What is the difference between a product that is certified to Class I Division 1 versus Class I Division 2? If I had a product that was certified to Division 2, what would be needed to make it pass Division 1 requirements? I apologize for my ignorance, there are simply too many standards out there and this is out of my league. Sincerely, Robert Loop Engineering Supervisor Wyle Laboratories Product Safety ph - (256) 837-4411 x313 fax- (256) 721-0144 e-mail: rl...@hnt.wylelabs.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: switching NRTLs
Hello Chris, On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Colgan, Chris wrote: Has anyone had any experience of switching NRTLs? Is it possible to do so without incurring huge expense for retesting products ie is there a NRTL that would accept test reports/certificates of another? Although there exist private agreements among some NRTLs (such as UL and CSA) for the sharing of files and reports, typically they exist(ed) outside of the NRTL program. In my experience (as a Manufacturer's Agent), I have arranged for UL and CSA, under the terms of their long-existant MOUs, to share data. BUT,this must be arranged at the onset of the test program, not afterwards. I'd be very surprised if any NRTL (or other Agencies) would accept the Listings (or reports test data) carte blanche, of another. Two rays of hope -- the CB Scheme which provides for the official acceptance of test data, and also the CB-FCS (Full Certification Scheme) which is now beginning to take hold. This is not to say that some NRTL will do exactly as you seek - and, I guess only they can respond on their own behalf (and practices). Good Luck. Let us know if you find a ready solution to your query. Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering: William Kelly's * * Chinese Product Safety Compliance * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- I would be grateful to hear from anyone that has attempted or done this you can't all be satisfied customers. Regards Chris Colgan Compliance Engineer TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU *Tel: +44 (0)1480 415 627 *Fax: +44 (0)1480 52159 * Mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com * http://www.tagmclarenaudio.com ** Please visit us at www.tagmclarenaudio.com ** The contents of this E-mail are confidential and for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. If you receive this E-mail in error, please delete it from your system immediately and notify us either by E-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the E-mail. TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, 11 Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU Telephone : 01480 415600 (+44 1480 415600) Facsimile : 01480 52159 (+44 1480 52159) ** Please visit us at www.tagmclarenaudio.com ** --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single
Re: 3rd draft proposed EEE Directive
Hello Richard, The proposal, I believe, is well beyond the 3rd Draft Stage. It was published in the Official Journal on 19 DEC 2000 as the Proposal for a Directive of the European Parliment and of the Council on waste electrical and electronic equipment. The citation is: 2000/C 365 E/12. I believe it is no longer available at the free site (Eur-Lex) since it is more than 45 days since it was published. On that same date they also issued a proposal for a Directive of the European Parliment and of the Council on the restriction and use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment (2000/C 365 E/13) which is probably of interest as well. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 wo...@sensormatic.com wrote: I understand that the Commission has issued the 3rd draft of the proposed directive on Impact on the Environment of Electrical and Electronic Equipment (EEE), but I can't find it on their web site. Does anyone have a copy or know where to find it? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: UL 1063
Hello Bob, UL Standards are copyrighted; UL's purveyor of standards is comm2000. They maintain a website at: www.comm-2000.com where you can order and download standards (among other resources). Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Just released! Check out: * * Chinese Product Safety Compliance * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Distefano, Robert wrote: All, I apologize up front if I am posting to the wrong forum. Can anyone tell me where I down load a copy of UL 1063. Thanks in advance, Bob Di Stefano Systems Manufacturing Engineering Panametrics Inc., ASD 221 Cresent Street Waltham, MA 02453 781-899-2719 ext 615 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Directive 96/29/euratom
Hello Bob, I put the term into the Europa Search Tool and the responses indicate that the date is 13 MAY 1996. The Europa site yielded a lot of responses that might be of use to you. Give it a try. (You can find it on the Safety Link). Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Chaplis, Bob wrote: Hello, Can anyone tell me when directive 96/29/EURATOM of 13 May 96 was published in the European Journal and would anybody have a copy of the directive that they would be willing to send me. I would also like to know what the standard is ( if one ) that the EU has published as acceptable to show compliance to that directive. Any help would be appreciated. Thank You Bob Chaplis Genrad. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Product Safety Workshops Vemdors' Night
Hello all, In just a month, on the 15th of November, the largest (and best in the U.S.) electrical product safety workshops and show are scheduled to take place in Boxborough Massachusetts. The Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc., is sponsoring 27 Technical Sessions (11 A.M. to 5:45 P.M.) followed by their Sixth Annual Vendors' Show (50 Table-top exhibits, 5:30 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.). This is a major undertaking and is carried our as part of our educational offerings. The workshop and the exhibits both encompass electrical product safety and emc interests (among others). For full listings and Registration Forms for the Workshop2000 and/or the Vendors' Night, visit www.nepss.org where you will find all the necessary information. There is no charge for either event (there is a sandwich-buffet meal too, free to NPSS Members and 15.00 to others). Is this event worthy of the travel that some will have to undertake? We believe so (last year we had a visitor from the U.K.). If you would like to meet and network with your associates, test labs, suppliers of components and services to the trade, you ought to be there. We hope to see you there. Regards, Art Michael, President - NPSS,Inc. Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Argentina IRAM
Hi George, There is a link on the Safety Link (to IRAM). However, I expect there is no English language link. When you are in Argentina - speak Argentine ;-) An alternative: Try AltaVista's translator at: babelfish.altavista.com and point it at IRAM's URLs. The translation, although not perfect, will give you a good idea of what's up, down there. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, George Sparacino wrote: Hello All.. Does anyone have a URL for the IRAM homepage .. in English ?? Thanks, George --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Workshop 2000 + Vendors' Night, Boxborough MA, 15 NOV 00
NPSS - Workshop 2000 Vendors' Night The Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc. (NPSS) offers Workshop 2000 and the 6th Annual Vendors' Night. These paired events will be held at the Boxborough Woods (Holiday Inn) in Boxborough MA on November 15, 2000. WORKSHOP 2000 runs from 11 a.m. to 5:45 p.m. Twenty-seven sessions, worldwide in scope, comprise six technical tracks. The sessions include, among others, Electrical Product Safety Compliance, EMC, Telecom, SEMI, Laser Safety, the EC Directives/CE Markings, the WEEE Directive, and Chinese compliance. Reservations are required for entry to the technical sessions. A schedule can be found on NPSS's website (and your reservations can be entered at: www.nepss.org VENDORS' NIGHT registration opens at 5 p.m.; the Exhibition Hall is open from 5:30 - 9:30 p.m. Fifty suppliers to the Electrical Product Safety, EMC and Telecom compliance trades will offer their wares. The largest show of its type in the U.S.., this is a singular opportunity to visit with the test labs and suppliers of test equipment, components services to the compliance trade. It's also a great opportunity to network with your compliance colleagues. The costs of these events are borne by NPSS, Inc. as a component of their educational program; thus, all Workshop 2000 sessions are free as is the Vendors' Night. The only cost, optional at that, is for the dinner-buffet (which is free to members of NPSS, Inc. and US$15.00 to others). Dinner reservations (required) can also be made at www.nepss.org. Although vendor space is limited at this juncture, vendors interested in participating should contact: Robert O.Chaplis chapl...@genrad.com NPSS, Inc. is a non-profit 501(c)(3) Corporation, chartered in Massachusetts. ### REF:0VENDNEWS.1 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EMC/EMI Training
Hello Keith, I've been selling Tim Williams' books for a couple of years and have received no complaints. The newest one, published this year, is titled, EMC for Systems and Installations. Check it out at www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html where you will find a description of this book (and others). Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Keith Zell wrote: What training classes and/or books would you recommend for the best practical EMI/EMC training from a systems approach? I am particularly interested in grounding/shielding issues and fixes. Any help would be appreciated. B. Keith Zell Electrical Design Engineer PMI Food Equipment Group Troy, OH 45374 (937) 332-3067 (ph) (937) 332-3007 (fax) zell...@pmifeg.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: RCIC been hacked??
Hi Mike, It appears so. Apparently a hacker has breached the security of many sites. The outcome is that either the Domain Name Servers direct queries for the hacked-sites to an alternate location where the ANTI ANTI-NAPSTER rant resides, OR, perhaps the rant itself has replaced the top-level file at the hacked sites. I expect any queries to RCIC will yield the same results (until the hack is cleared) and suggest we keep the pstc channel open and not clog it with numerous confirmations of the hack. Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Mike Morrow wrote: Anyone else getting a Napster message when going to the RCIC site?? Mike Morrow Senior Compliance Engineer Ucentric Systems 978-897-6482 mi...@ucentric.com www.ucentric.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: iec60950 CB TEST REPORT FORM
Hello Xing Weibing, I believe that the CB Test Reports are protected by copyright. You can purchase them (including the 950 report and amendments 1-4) from the CB Scheme website at www.cbscheme.org . Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, xingwb wrote: Dear sirs and Colleagues: Our client request iec950 test report (including a1+a2+a3+a4), can you provide me a copy of cb test report form of iec950(including a1+a2+a3+a4) Thank you in advance My e-mail: xin...@cesi.ac.cn Xing weibing BTIEP 2000-08-01 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Have EMC Discussion Gone Elsewhere ?
Hi Lou, Just a lucky break! (I think - It's great ;-) I don't believe the EMC discussions have moved - they've just dropped-off for the moment. To my recollection, the pstc is a subset of the IEEE's EMC Society and I recall that the organization itself (PSTC = Product Safety Technical Committee) was devoted to product safety, which was not being addressed elsewhere within the IEEE). I don't exactly understand why this listserver ended up with so much EMC content other than its name emc-pstc (which I think arose from the IEEE hierarchy). Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Lou Gnecco wrote: Group: What happened to all the emc discussions? I got off the system for a while, and now its all product safety. Did the emc people start their own separate group? Lou G. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: WEEE directive (4th Draft)
Hello Richard, The official EU version (in .pdf format) was mounted on the net only this morning. Visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com, drop down to the Safety Articles, FAQs, MRAs, Etc. subsection; look for WEEE towards the end of the section. Or, once you enter the Safety Link, use your browser's Find or Search function to locate the term WEEE. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 wo...@sensormatic.com wrote: It has been reported that the 4th draft directive on Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment (WEEE) was set to be approved the first week in June although it must go through the European Parliament before final adoption. Does anyone know if this draft is available on the web? I was unsuccessful in finding it. Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
NPSS,Inc. Membership Recruitment Dinner-June 28 -Boston Area
* NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE! * NPSS, Inc's Annual Membership Recruitment Dinner Meeting Wednesday, June 28, 2000 Holiday Inn - Marlborough, Massachusetts (at the junction of I-495 RT 20) 265 Lakeside Avenue, Marlborough, MA 01752 Schedule: 5:30 - 6:30 Registration, Free Appetizers* cash-bar 6:30 - 7:45 Lexington Buffet Dinner 7:45 - 8:00 A short message about NPSS, Inc. 8:00 - 8:45 The Role of ITE Plastics in Fire Safety Donald P. Bliss**, Chairman of the National Association of State Fire Marshals' Consumer Product Safety Committee State Fire Marshal - State of New Hampshire 8:45 - 9:15 Membership Certificate Presentations Short Awards Program 9:30Dinner Meeting Closes * Appetizers provided thru the courtesy of Curtis-Straus Inc. ** Donald P. Bliss has been the New Hampshire Fire Marshal since August 1, 1992. As State Fire Marshal, he oversees fire investigations and fire building code enforcement throughout New Hampshire. Fire Marshal Bliss's fire service career started with the Durham (UNH) Fire Department in Durham NH, as a call firefighter; he progressed to Fire Marshal/Deputy Chief between 1970 1980. He subsequently served as Director of the U-CONN Fire Dept (Storrs, CT) and Fire Marshal in Salem NH (until his appointment as State Fire Marshal, noted above, in 1992). As State Fire Marshal, Bliss has implemented a comprehensive training program for state fire investigators. As a result, fire investigators in the State Fire Marshal's Office have been granted law enforcement and arrest powers. Fire Marshall Bliss is active in numerous professional organizations, including the National Fire Protection Association (Chair of NFPA 1 Fire Prevention Code) the National Association of State Fire Marshals (NASFM). He has served as Past-President of the New Hampshire Association of Fire Chiefs and in many other New Hampshire-based fire and emergency response organizations. He graduated from the University of New Hampshire with a B.A. in Political Science and a Master of Public Administration degree and has completed numerous courses at the National Fire Academy in Emmetsburg, Maryland. ** Please invite your product safety associates to this event to introduce them to NPSS, Inc., its programs and benefits; this is a great opportunity to meet and network with the Northeast Product Safety Society, its members and supporters. RESERVATIONS REQUIRED BY June 21, 2000 for ALL DINNERS. See location of Reservation Forms (below) Free Lexington Buffet - $27 value - for Year 2000 dues-paid members (A long-standing NPSS custom). Non-members or Prospective-members may buy a buffet-dinner for $15 or join NPSS for $28/yr (and get dinner FREE too). WE NEED YOUR RESERVATIONS BY JUNE 21st !!! (Select an address below and copy it into your browser) Reservation Form (.html format) is at: www.safetylink.com/npssbuff0600resform.html Reservation Form (.txt format) is at: www.safetylink.com/npssbuff0600resform.txt The Lexington Buffet: Fruit Salad, Chef's Soup of the Day, Cheese and Fruit Tray, Grilled Breast of Chicken, London Broil, Rice Pilaf, Oven Roast Potato, Rolls and Butter, Assorted Pies and Cakes, Coffee, Tea and Soft Drinks NOTE: We can't possibly reach everyone interested in this event, so please help us spread the word by sharing this announcement with your co-workers and business associates. We hope to see you and your team there. Thank you, The NPSS, Inc. Membership Recruitment Dinner Committee, Pete Marti, Chairman pma...@cemiusa.com The Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc. is a 501 (c)(3) Corporation REF:npssbuff0600ann.txt (b) 6/07/00 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Fwd:RTTE directive
Hello Jim, Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com, drop down to the Safety Articles, FAQs, MRAs, etc subsection and the third link there, titled, Guide to the Implementation of Directives Based On A New Approach and Global Approach will take you to a website with this document in a variety of formats. Or, to shorten the process, once at the Safety Link, just search on the term Implementation Note that the above document, issued in 1999, replaces Certif 98/1 Draft also known as the Blue Guide. Regards, Art Michael, Editor - Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Tue, 23 May 2000, Allan, James wrote: Does anyone have a link to a copy of the Blue Guide mentioned by Tony below? Jim Allan Senior Compliance Engineer Milgo Solutions Inc. E-mail james_al...@milgo.com -Original Message- From: Tony Reynolds [SMTP:reyno...@pb.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:56 AM To: k...@i-data.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Subject:Re: Fwd:RTTE directive Kim, According to the information I have on the RTTE Directive (99/5/EC) the following applies to the Declaration of Conformity. 'There is ONE Declaration of Conformity. It is held by the manufacturer with the technical file for the product. The standard EN45014 is an accepted model for the DoC, referred to in the Blue Guide*, therefore manufacturers would seem to have no good reason not to use this model. The DoC is signed by the manufacturer, and is expected to be in the language used by the manufacturer (and understood by the signatory). A COPY of the DoC (in its original language) must accompany every product.' *This is a guide to the implementation of Directives based on the New Approach and Global Approach (EC Doc Certif 98/1) also known as the 'Blue Guide'. This information was on a DTI FAQ paper recently distributed at a TAPC meeting. I hope this helps. Kind Regards Tony Reynolds Principal Compliance Engineer Pitney Bowes Ltd The Pinnacles Harlow Essex. CM19 5BD UK Tel +44 (0) 1279 449479 Fax +44 (0) 1279 449118 e-mail: reyno...@pb.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Telecom Regulatory Generator
Hello Peter, Try the following sources: InterConnect Communications (UK) www.icc-uk.com and Horrockwww.horrocks.co.uk Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Publisher/Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Peter Merguerian wrote: Dear All, Anyone knows of a telecom regulatory generator where one can easily find the regulatory requirements in a particular country, including but not limited to: regulating authorities and contacts; test labs and contacts; applicable safety/emc/telecom standards and mutual recognitions (acceptance of international test reports). Thanks Peter Merguerian Managing Director Product Testing Division I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. Hacharoshet 26, POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: 972-3-5339022 Fax: 972-3-5339019 e-mail: pmerguer...@itl.co.il website: http://www.itl.co.il --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: CB SCHEME
Hello Mr. Nakamura, The CB-Scheme in an international scheme, under the auspices of the IEC, which provides a means for acceptance of test-data (and reports - in some cases) between the testing certification agencies of 30+ countries. There is no direct relationship to LVD and EMC directives although products which fall under the LVD may be served by the CB-Scheme. The main website is at www.cbscheme.org Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 jakam...@naka.melco.co.jp wrote: Dear All, What is CB SCHEME? and the relation to the LVD and EMC? Thank you in advance, Jun Nakamura --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: SAF: Insulation resistance and hipot tests
Hello Martin, I don't have the answer to your question, but do caution that the First Test to be run (if the DUT is grounded) is the Ground Continuity Test (for test-operator protection). Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Martin Rowe (TMW) wrote: Group, A reader asked about the order of performing safety tests. Should he perform insulation resistance tests before or after hipot tests? The reader didn't say what type of product he's testing, but I can ask. Thanks, /\ | Martin Rowe | / \ | Senior Technical Editor | /\ /\ | Test Measurement World | / \/ \/\ | voice 617-558-4426 |/\ /\ / \/ | fax 617-928-4426 | \/ \/ | e-mail m.r...@ieee.org | \ / | http://www.tmworld.com |\/ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: ETSI Document Downloading
Hello Ron, Consider the following: I signed up for access to the ETSI site a week or two ago; in their confirmation message to me, they noted that the from address I provided to them was slightly different from the one my provides appends to my messages. ETSI instructed me to re-enroll at the ETSI site using the address my provider appends to my mail. In my case I had input amich...@connix.com, my usual email address. It turns out that my ISP modifies the address to; amich...@comet.connix.com which apparently refers to a sub-location or server within their domain. While this difference is transparent to me (and either address will arrive here) it makes a difference to ETSI's confirmation system. Perhaps this quirk is affecting your access. A work-around - just request a single document, a courtesy afforded visitors while they await confirmation. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Ron Pickard wrote: To all, Have any of you had any difficulties lately downloading documents from the ETSI site? I'm experiencing no problems whatsoever getting to the point of identifying the document(s) I wish to download. The problem is after I put in my EOL identifier and clicking the download button, the ETSI system seems to go into cardiac arrest. Are any of you experiencing this same phenomenon? I would appreciate knowing if any others are having similar experinces with the ETSI site. Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Where has the rcic gone to?
Hello Kazimier, I just visited RCIC (with my non-graphical browser) and it's there per usual. Perhaps the Domain Name Server you are using is confused. It appears to still be at www.rcic.com Also, take a look at our site, the Safety Link www.safetylink.com you may just find what you are looking for. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 --- On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Kazimier Gawrzyjal wrote: Folks, Can anyone tell me where the Regulatory Compliance Information Center has moved to in cyber space? It seems www.rcic.com is now the Future Home of a Dotster Registered Domain? Comments? Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal k...@nortelnetworks.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
99 EMC Encyclopedia - CD-ROM (at no charge)
Hello All, Today we received a few hundred courtesy copies (For free distribution) of the 99 EMC, Telecom and Computer CD-ROM. This CD-ROM contains the entire (752+ printed pages) '99 version of the encyclopedia in addition to a number of useful files and links to advertisers' materials. It is published by emi-emf control, Inc. (Don White - et al). It is truly a useful and current resource. We are offering them (first-call) to the PSTC listserver members; If you'd like a copy, please send us a large SASE (Self Addressed Stamped Envelope) [8 1/2 X 11 or A4], bearing suitable US Postage (US$1.00 for the US or Canada, US$2.60 or IRCs for 3 ounces for other locations). And, if you'd put one of your business cards in the envelope, that would be appreciated (and will assure that we send it to the correct address). Other than that, and one per address, - no strings attached (of course, you must be among the first 200 SASEs rec'd). ThanX and Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety Bookshop A.E. Michael, Manager 166 Congdon St. East Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- Forwarded message -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:36:01 -0800 From: Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com To: 'Art Michael' amich...@connix.com Subject: RE: Can I or would you ..? Art: I completely support your idea for disposition of those CD-ROMs. A posted offer for these is not a commercial activity and is a fully appropriate post. Thank you for providing this service to our Listmembers. I'll be sending you my envelope tomorrow! Regards, Ed :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Open Letter re ITE Flammability (Source is NAFM)
To Kurt: I believe it is possible to utilized an internal enclosure to protect against fire (and other hazards) and then, the outer case (the subject of the NAFM letter) does not need to meet the V-1 requirement. I know, for a fact, that this technique was utilized in other product lines (phones video games, for instance) so that the outer case did not serve as the enclosure and could be made of less expensive polymers. And, to Chris: It has long been recognized on this side of the Atlantic, that TVs and other home electronics devices benefit from the use of flame-resistant enclosures (you can interpret that as: flame-resistant enclosures reduce the fire-risks associated with such products). That is why UL 6500 varies from 60065 and why flame-resistance of one of the cornerstones of the myriad of ANSI/UL standards. It's good to learn that 60065 is adding finally adding flammability requirements for enclosures. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Andrews, Kurt wrote: According to 4.4.4 of both UL 1950 and EN 60950 monitors should be at least V-1. 4.4.4 says that fire enclosures of less than 18 kg (about 40 lb.) have to be at least V-1. For fire enclosures over 18 kg it needs to be 5V. So if a monitor has a UL mark it should be at least V-1. A monitor case should definitely be a fire enclosure as 4.4.5.1 says the following items need a fire enclosure and I'm sure that all monitors have at least some of these: components having unenclosed arcing parts, such as open switch and relay contacts, and commutators; components having windings, such as transformers, solenoids and relays; wiring; semiconductor devices, such as transistors, diodes and integrated circuits; resistors, capacitors and inductors. Kurt Andrews Compliance Engineer Tracewell Systems, Inc. 567 Enterprise Dr. Westerville, OH 43081 Ph. 614-846-6175 Fax 614-846-7791 Email: kandr...@tracewell.com -Original Message- From: Colgan, Chris [SMTP:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:40 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: Open Letter re ITE Flammability (Source is NAFM) Interesting and worrying. Does EN60950 call up flammability requirements for polymeric enclosures? If not, I guess I had better look for a PC with a NRTL mark as well as a CE mark - and then check it is V-0 rated. You may be amazed to know that while UL6500 (safety of audio visual products) calls up flammability requirements for all product enclosures, the current edition EN60065 only requires the back and ventilated parts of television receiver enclosures to made of slow burning material or better a fire retardant material. There is no requirement for other products such as amplifiers, CD players etc. The next edition of EN60065 addresses the problems of enclosure flammability but there must an awful lot of highly flammable hi-fi equipment out there. Think twice before placing that yuletide candle on top of your hi-fi stack. Regards Chris Colgan EMC Safety TAG McLaren Audio Ltd mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com -Original Message- From: Art Michael [SMTP:amich...@connix.com] Sent: 20 January 2000 14:48 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Open Letter re ITE Flammability (Source is NAFM) Hello all, Recently my attention was drawn to an open letter from the National Association of Fire Marshals, detailing their concerns with 94-HB enclosures, which - according to tests they initiated - can be readily ignited by external sources. A quote from their letter: In November and December of 1999, SP (the Swedish National Research and Testing Institute) tested five computer monitors - all of which had been or are available to consumers. Three of the five were made with fire-resistant plastic housings. Repeated attempts to ignite these monitors failed. Two of the five monitors were made with HB rated plastic housings. A SINGLE MATCH IGNITED EACH OF THESE QUICKLY. [The emphasis in the last sentence is mine] The NAFM letter can be viewed at: www.firemarshals.org/openletter.html My interests were piqued and the subject-matter served as the basis for an article in the current issue of Int'l Product Safety News. To further this discussion, I ask you
RE: Safety Listing Required in Canada ?
Hello Mat, Chances are that no one is going to fax this to you due to its size. However, all is not lost ... Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term 1910, or, just look for the OSHA acronym in the first section of this site and you will fine one adjacent to 29 CFR 1910. Happy Holidays and Best wishes for a Healthy, Happy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year! Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Aschenberg, Mat wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S they can fax me? I need to see this law. Mat -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Safety Listing Required in Canada ? Hello to all, This is focused to the knowledgeable folks in Canada and to others that might know the answer(s) to this query. In the USA, there exists the federal approval/listing requirements found in 29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S. Does anyone know if there is a similar set of rules requiring safety Listing/Certification in Canada? If so, please identify them, how we can obtain them, and are they available on the web? If there is an absence of this type of regulation, is safety Listing/Certification actually required in Canada? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Open Frame EMI Filters
Hi Jim, This thread takes me 'back to the eighties' (when I first entered the c-a field and was working with UL 478: You are correct with your comments regarding the perceived flammability of line filter caps. The scenerio is/was that live parts are required to be enclosed (in the US, per the NEC and ANSI/UL standards). All can agree to that, I believe. X-caps were (are still?) available both with a flame-rated potting compound and without. Those not meeting requisite flame-ratings for polymeric enclosures were required to be enclosed (which could be accomodated by properly flame-rate barriers, potting, or the outer enclosure of the device in which they were contained). Also, since standards allow the filter-caps to be wired-in prior to the switch and fuse/s, they are continually at risk for equipment that is plugged-in all the time. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor 166 Congdon St. East P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Jim Eichner wrote: A couple of other thoughts: - Used to be that everyone thought X and Y cap's were hideously fire-hazardous. Perhaps the UL and CSA standards for line filters require a can (ie fire enclosure) around them, even if they are approved and even if the filter goes inside the outer (equipment) enclosure. - Potting will allow you to meet reduced creepage and clearance that may be crucial in obtaining decent high frequency attenuation from the filter. Regards, Jim Eichner Senior Regulatory Compliance Engineer Statpower Technologies Corporation jeich...@statpower.com http://www.statpower.com Any opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend, who really exists. Honest. -Original Message- From: POWELL, DOUG [SMTP:doug.pow...@aei.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 2:20 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; Treg Listserv (E-mail) Subject:RE: Open Frame EMI Filters Hello once again, I have already received a number of replies to my query indicating that the metallic enclosure is required for low inductance coupling to the components or to prevent radiation between circuits within the product. This is not my question. Please remember that one of the criteria that I described for the open frame is the passing all applicable EMC tests. This means that the open-frame design that I propose meets both radiated and conducted emissions levels, without the metallic box. My questions deals more with why is the enclosure required if product passes the tests without it. In the past I have designed a few products with a simple PCB for emissions control. I compensated for the internal re-radiation problem. Recently I heard of a commercial EMI Filter company that says the enclosure is required and that the encapsulant is a requirement. I disagree. -doug === Douglas E. Powell Regulatory Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. 1625 Sharp Point Dr. Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 USA m/s: 2018 --- 970-407-6410 (phone) 970-407-5410 (e-fax) 800-446-9167 (toll-free) mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com http://www.advanced-energy.com === Hello group, For years I have used off-the-shelf and custom EMI filters with a fully enclosed metal canister. Why is this enclosure required? Are there specific provisions in the standards? My idea is to build up the filter circuit on a printed circuit board and make it an integral part of the power supply. I am currently looking at EN133200 which has certain seal tests but after reviewing these, they all appear to be related to climatic or environmental conditions. If the product passes these tests without the enclosure it would seem that the product has passed, period. Alternatively I have considered removing the nomenclature EMI filter and simply call it an input module, then evaluate it as a part of the overall system. If it passes the EMC and Product Safety requirements, can I call the job complete? Any thoughts? === Douglas E. Powell Regulatory Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. 1625 Sharp Point Dr. Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 USA m/s: 2018 --- 970-407-6410 (phone) 970-407-5410 (e-fax) 800-446-9167 (toll-free) mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com http://www.advanced-energy.com http://www.advanced-energy.com
Re: EN 60950 Checklist
Hello Rick, If you visit the CB Scheme website you can find a section that offers Test Report Forms (TRFs) for a number of IEC and EN Standards. After paying the associated fee with your credit card, the TRFs can immediately be downloaded from the site. Easily accessed from the Safety Link www.safetylink.com, just click on the CB Scheme link. Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Now offering BSI's Books Reports* * including, World Electricity Supplies * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 rbus...@es.com wrote: I have been asked by my engineering department to create or locate a checklist for EN 60950 (or IEC 950) to be used as a guideline. In the past, I remember an ECMA document like this but that was years ago. Does anyone have any recommendations or suggestions? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
NPSS Vendors' Night (17 NOV) - SOLD OUT!! Dinner ReservationsNeeded
Hello pstc-ers, The Northeast Product Safety Society Inc's 5th Annual Vendors' Night is SOLD OUT. YES, we've sold all 48 tables (in addition to the NPSS and IEEE EMC Society tables). It's going to be the electrical product safety compliance industry's best show in the country; there's plenty of EMC-related exhibitors too. If you are planning to attend and dine with us, we need your dinner reservations before the close of business on Friday. Full show details, including a Vendors' List and Dinner Reservation form can be found at www.safetylink.com/#NPSS Hope to see you there, Regards, Art Michael, President, NPSS, Inc. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: New standards -404 error
Hi Kyle, The URL you referenced is incomplete. There is an easier way. Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com Using your browser's Find tool -- search for the term Harmonized Standards -- and you will be taken directly to this link. Click on it and you're there (I just checked it and it's still working) Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Ehler, Kyle wrote: This link: http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/reflis http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s Produces a '404' for me. I get as far as http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/ http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/refli s before the pages are unavailable. Thanks, Kyle - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
NPSS 5th Annual Vendors' Night - Two Weeks from Today
Hello fellow PSTC'ers, It's only two weeks until the 5th Annual Vendor's Night will be held at the Holiday Inn in Marlborough MA. If you or your colleagues are in the area - don't miss the singularly best Product Safety Show in the USA. Lot's of EMC resources too. Our tables (50 of them) are Sold-Out!!! The general announcement below has been updated (check it out to see who's exhibiting). We'd truly hope this will be a memorable event for both visitors and exhibitors. Your presence will contribute to success of the evening. The Buffet Dinner is Free to NPSS Members and available at a nominal cost to others. You can register on our Webpages at: www.safetylink.com/#NPSS Regards, Art Michael, President - Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc. - The NORTHEAST PRODUCT SAFETY SOCIETY, Inc. Invites you to attend our 5th Annual Vendors' Night November 17, 1999 FREE Admission!! SAVE THIS DATE!! 5:00 p.m. Registration FREE Appetizers, Courtesy - Intertek Testing Services 5:30Exhibition Opens 6:00-7:30 Buffet Dinner, Registration Info Below 9:00Exhibition Closes - Deli Buffet, Coffee and Dessert FREE to NPSS Members and at a Reduced Rate to others Holiday Inn Hotel and Suites 265 Lakeside Ave, Marlborough MA Junction of Routes I-495 and US20, Exit 24A, - Visit with Agencies, Test Labs, Consultants Suppliers of product safety EMC components, materials, services and test equipment. The following list includes nearly all of this year's exhibitors and is offered to give you a sense of the quality and breadth of exhibitors who support our event. APM, AFI LLC, Associated Research, Bell Controls, BSI Testing, CE Magazine, CSA International, Chomerics - Seal Div. Compliance Worldwide, Conformity Magazine, Conti-Younger/Corcom, Connors Co., Contact East, Curtis-Straus, Detecon, Educated Design Dev't, EMC Test Systems, EmScan, Entela, Ergonomics, Inc., EuroPort/EUROCONSULT, FairRite Products, FM Research, Haefely Trench, Boston IEEE-EMC Society, Integrity Design Test, Int'l Product Safety News, Intertek Testing Services, KeyTek, Lucent Technologies, M.Swank Associates, Marathon Sales, M.A.Lamothe Associates, National Technical Systems, Olsen Technical Sales/Panel Components Corp, Panashield, QuadTech, Quantum Change EMC Systems, Quest Engineering, Retlif Testing Labs, San-O Industrial Corp., Schaffner, Schlegel Systesm, Scientific Devices NE, Stratus Test Labs, Synergistic Component Sales, Tektronix, TuV Essen, TuV Product Service, TuV Rheinland of NA, UL, Voltech Instruments, Wayne Kerr Electronics, WW Wilson Associates's and more __ Meet and network with your friends, colleagues and vendors. For additional information visit NPSS's Website: http://www.safetylink.com/#NPSS * For Buffet reservations; To reserve your place at the Deli Buffet, just go to www.safetylink.com/#NPSS and complete the Dinner Reservation form found there. * Vendors: To reserve your table/s, or for further information; Contact, Robert O. Chaplis, NPSS Treasurer and Chair for this event. Additional Vendor information can be found at the website address noted above. Ph (978) 589-7597, Fx (978) 589-7007, Em chapl...@genrad.com NPSS, Inc. (a 501(3)(c) Corp.) REF:vnite1199.txt (11/02/99) Please post or distribute a copy of this notice wherever others who might be interested in attending the show will see it. ThanX, AEM/NPSS, Inc. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Hot Surface. Hot air.
Hello Israel, I've not checked your numbers but believe the rationale is, in the case of Item 1) below: that should one come into contact with a surface at these temperatures, one will withdraw quickly and no damage is anticipated. And, in the case of Item 2) below: should one come into contact with this surface (even though unlikely one will withdraw even more quickly than in the above case; again, no damage is expected. Also, one can, and in some cases shall mark surfaces with the IEC symbol for Hot Surfaces (I don't have that symbol number at hand - sorry). Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 INT Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Israel Yeshurun wrote: Dear Group Fellows I would like to raise the following two issues: 1) UL1950 / EN60950 Safety standards, Subclause 5.1 - Heating, Table 16 part 2, specify permissible temperature rise for external surfaces of equipment in Operator Access Area.. For external surfaces, made of metal which may be touched, it allows temperature rise of 45 degrees Kelvin, assuming ambient temperature of 25 degrees Celsius it allows surface temperature of 70 degrees Celsius = 158 degrees Fahrenheit ! Note (4) in this table applies to external surfaces that are not likely to be touched in normal use and measure less than 50 mm, in this case it allows a temperature rise of 75 degrees K, that under 25 degrees C ambient allows 100 degrees C = 212 degrees F !! Now, 70 degrees C for external equipment surface that may be touched seems pretty high to me. 100 degrees C metal surface will, I believe, cause a burn to that part of the human body that touched it. So maybe my interpretation is not true ??and, can someone point another regulatory source for Hot surface permissible temperature ? 2) Regarding Hot air flowing out of equipment, in UL1950 / EN60950 I could not find a requirement or limit for the maximum permissible temperature for it, Can someone point another regulatory source for Hot air permissible temperature ? Note: The equipment I relate to is ITE or Office, but information from Machinery standards or other sources is welcome ! Many Thanks Israel Yeshurun - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Luminaires standard for USA/CANADA countries
Hello Paolo, Without knowing the type of luminaire you are interested in, I offer the following for your consideration. In the USA, Portable Lamps = UL 153 In Canada, Portable Luminaires = CSA 22.2 No. 12 ALSO: A whole collection of standards which follow the IEC 598 series (as denoted by CSA in their '99 catalog). CAN/CSA-E598-1-98 is the base standard. Regards, Art Michael, Editor - Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Fini Paolo wrote: Hi all, We have some trouble , to find the UL and CSA equiv.alent standard of the EN 60598-1 for general requirements and tests of LUMINAIRES and similar. Do you can help me to fix the problem? Best regards. ing. Paolo Fini Italponti Telecomunicazioni via Reims 12, Firenze (ITALY) tel +39055689706 - fax +39055689706 www.italponti.it - paolof...@italponti.it - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Intrinsic safety for factory communication?
Hi Joe, Start with UL 913. Then go to CSA, UL or FM sites and search on the topics, intrinsic safety hazardous locations hazloc. Also, on the Safety Link, you will find a link to a 6-part tutorial on this subject . Search on the term intrinsically safe or crouse-hinds www.safetylink.com Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 j...@aol.com wrote: Hello All: I am hoping that some of you can help me gain an understanding of the requirements for intrinsic safety for communication wiring that is used in a manufacturing environment. My background is in telecom and ITE, not factory automation. However, I have been asked to assist a client with developing some communication technology that will be used for sensors and controls on a factory floor. My client tells me that for communication wiring that is used in a factory, there are requirements for intrinsic safety of the wiring. Among other things, there is reportedly a test where connections are made and broken in an atmosphere that contains explosive gases. Since any sparks generated from the make/break of the connections could ignite the gases, it is reportedly necessary to design the communication scheme in such a way that no sparks are generated. When I asked where these requirements are documented, I was told that there is no written standard for intrinsic safety. Rather, the system must be submitted to an independent agency for review, and this agency will evaluate the system according to their own (internal) criteria. Now, coming from a background in ITE, I find this hard to believe. In the ITE world, we have documented standards for safety such as UL 1950 in the USA and EN 60950 in Europe. I find it hard to imagine that there are no comparable standards for factory automation. Can any of you clarify this issue for me? Where does the concept of intrinsic safety come from, and how is compliance determined? I am interested in addressing this issue for both North America and Europe. Any assistance you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2840 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Temperature Measuring of Magnetic Components
Hello Kamran, I have been faced with this problem many times in the (nearly 35) years that I have been involved with such measurements. In my experience, this is the major and problematic correlation factor (in the product safety domain). It is the one that stands out above all others, when faced with correlation difficulties (especially when the tests are conducted on different continents as they were in my situation :-) Very slight changes in the immediate-area ambient temperatures and the electrical service where you are making the measurements can drastically affect the temperature readings as can the location of the thermocouples on the transformer under test (as you already noted). Consider the following possiblilites (not in any particular order) ; A) Be certain that there is no extraneous air-flow over the trafo (from a room-fan, people constantly walking by in the adjacent aisles, or room air-conditioning drafts. ( I believe ambient air-flow to be a major factor when you are faced with correlation difficulties) B) Be certain your input voltage is a clean sine-wave. Distortions in the input voltage waveshape will affect your data. (At one time we tried to use a low-distortion/low harmonics constant-voltage transformer to keep the line voltage constant during temperature tests - even that small amount of input distortion was sufficient to affect our results). C) If the trafo is in a switching-mode power supply, the currents being switched will likely be affecting the indicated temperatures. D) Why do you discount rise-of resistance ? I believe this technique integrates the temperature differences across a transformer and yields a more repeatable result (in my humble experience). E) One problem I've found in transformer construction is that air can become entrapped, by the impregnating materia, between the outer-wrap layers. This effects the temperatures measured on the outer surfaces (again, a thermocouple location problem). F) Another problem is the heating effect on the trafo of adjacent hot components (cold ones or sinks too, I suppose) when transformers are evaluated in an end-product. Be certain that you and your vendors (and your test agency) apply thermocouples in the same location/s. Consider submitting a transformer, with thermocouples attached by you, to your vendor/s and test agency/ies. This will, at the least, rule out thermocouple location (and its attachment) as a variable. G) Be certain that you are using high-grade (low error) thermocouples and calibrated equipment. Good Luck! Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Kamran Mohajer wrote: Hello EMC-PSTCers, I wonder if anyone knows of the method of measuring temperature limits on magnetic components. I happen to get involved in this and found that my results are different than the vendors result by as much as 10-15 degrees on measuring on a same magnetic component. Even applying the thermocouple to different location on a coil seems to give you different results. Is there a method that I should be following to measure temperature with thermocouples methods, not change of resistance, on magnetic parts such as transformers, coils, etc.? Thanks, *** Kamran Mohajer DSL Compliance Lead Cisco Systems, Inc. Phone(408)-525-6121 Fax(408)527-0495 kmoha...@cisco.com *** - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: U.S. National Product Safety Laws
Hello George, While I'm reluctant to flog a dead horse, somewhere along this discussion thread, someone was looking for a definitive statement regarding the subject at hand. After searching OSHA's Interpretation Letters I found the following letter relating OSHA's requirements and (desktop) computers. Regards, Art Michael Editor - Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * OSHA Banner Image Map OSHA Standards Interpretation and Compliance Letters 02/18/1992 - Electrical standards as it applies to desktop computers. _ OSHA Standard Interpretation and Compliance Letters - Table of Contents OSHA Standard Interpretation and Compliance Letters - Table of Contents _ * Record Type: Interpretation * Standard Number: 1910.303;1910.399 * Subject: Electrical standards as it applies to desktop computers. * Information Date:02/18/1992 _ February 18, 1992 William K. Blocher President BBC Computers Inc. 7 Columbia Circle Merrimack, New Hampshire 03054 Dear Mr. Blocher: Thank you for your letter of January 23, requesting clarification on the applicability of 29 CFR 1910 Subpart S, Electrical standards, to desktop computers. Desktop computers are appliances otherwise described as utilization equipment when used by employees in the workplace. By 29 CFR 1910.303(a) equipment required or permitted by 29 CFR 1910 Subpart S shall be accepted only if approved. Approved means acceptable to the authority, that is, the Assistant Secretary of Labor for Occupational Safety and Health, enforcing 29 CFR 1910 Subpart S. The definition of acceptable includes three different methods to determine acceptable equipment, and these methods are specified at 1910.399. A copy of the 1910.399 definitions, specified by quotation marks in this letter, is enclosed for your use. We appreciate your interest in occupational safety and health. If we can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us. Sincerely, Patricia K. Clark, Director Directorate of Compliance Programs Enclosure _ OSHA Standard Interpretation and Compliance Letters - Table of Contents OSHA Standard Interpretation and Compliance Letters - Table of Contents tracking image === On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 geor...@lexmark.com wrote: Tania, Thank you for your comments. Allow me to better explain my position. 1. I am well aware of the language you cited from UL1950. This has never been in question, as it is precise and understandable. Page 23? even lists many examples of products falling under the standard. 2. However, UL1950 is a standard, not a law, which was the original question initiating this discussion. I think the original inquiry asked what laws require compliance to the standards. My original point was that the laws cited, e.g.NEC and OSHA, are very poorly worded when it comes to what equipment is covered. One response was that it means any electrical equipment with a useful purpose, or words to that effect. Is there electrical equipment out there that has no useful purpose that would therefore not be covered? 3. You are correct that SELV ITE is included in UL1950. I did not mean to gloss over this. An earlier append in the discussion said that utilization equipment was anything that plugged into 120V. I was pointing out that it also applies to voltages other than 120V. The standard does allow for the certification of Class III (SELV) ITE. However, the scope limits this to mains or battery powered equipment. This excludes the many devices which may be powered at SELV voltages from an external AC adapter. That is, the adapter falls within the scope (mains powered), but not the driven device. 4. It is my opinion that the reason battery
Re: Egon Vargu, where are you?
Hi Bill, The CENELEC CTL Decisions you seek are now (officially located and maintained) at: www.imq.it/ctldecisions/ Although still under construction, the site is already a valuable resource as it is indexed by Standard, Product Type, etc. NOTE: I believe that CTL decisions serve as guidelines only and have no official standing when one is dealing with a CB Scheme Test Lab's investigation of products. The printed standards are still the authority when questions arise. There is a link directly to this site on the Safety Link www.safetylink.com Just drop down to the Safety Articles, FAQs subsection where you will find it near the top of the list - or just search the Safety Link (using your browser's Find function) for the the acronym CTL to jump directly to it. As for Egon Varju (note correct spelling here); Try his CSA address which I expect is: var...@csa.ca Bill: THANX, as always, for your untiring efforts in maintaining this valuable resource for the product safety and emc compliance communities. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 SEEC Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 -- On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Bill Lyons wrote: Friends, As you may know, I maintain the sci.engr.electrical.compliance (SEEC) FAQ. I was recently alerted by Richard Steele r.ste...@ftel.co.uk that the link in section 2.4 Cenelec's List of Decisions http://www.varju.bc.ca/standards/ no longer exists. On further checking, I found that Egon Vargu's home page at http://www.varju.bc.ca was missing and the link took me to a Californian web hosting service's home page. Also, an attempt to email him at e...@vargu.bc.ca failed with unrouteable mail domain vargu.bc.ca. I have briefly tried searching the CENELEC website www.cenelec.be but didn't find the List of Decisions there although it may well be. So, 1. Egon Vargu, where are you? Or alternatively, does any reader of EMC-PSTC or SEEC have a current email address or URL for him? 2. Can anyone point me to an alternative URL for the CENELEC List of Decisions? Thanks and regards, Bill. -- Bill Lyons - b...@lyons.demon.co.uk / w.ly...@ieee.org Maintainer of the s.e.e.c FAQ - archived at: HTML: http://world.std.com/~techbook/compliance_faq.html ASCII: http://www.lyons.demon.co.uk/seecfaq1.txt, seecfaq2.txt - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: IEC1000-4-x changed to IEC61000-4-x?
Hello Roger, The present IEC numbering scheme was adopted on 1/1/97 at the recommendation of the ISO/IEC Joint Technical Advisory Board. And, in case you were wondering; the purpose was to harmonize the IEC numbering scheme with the European Norms numbering scheme (in which the number 6 was added to the IEC Standard Number by CENELEC). ISO standards are numbered from 1 to 5; IEC standards are numbered from 6 to 7 (and, I believe the 6 series is reserved for electical standards). Regards, Art Michael, Editor - Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * * * Check out our current offerings! * * Save 25% on the '99 EMC Encyclopedia* * for a limited time * * * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 roger...@astec-asia.com wrote: When were the IEC1000-4-x series EMC standards changed to IEC61000-4-x? Regards, Roger - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Indoor use symbol -- what standards?
Hi Rich, The only place I ever ran into this req't was for German approvals. The attached graphic image was derived from a third-generation copy of a page from some German standard. I then cleaned it up and used it for a TUV Rheinland approval. (I do recall some discussions regarding which half of the house the chimney belonged on. The attached file is believed to be correct, since it was used to layout the markings label, but do check with your test lab to be certain.) Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Rich Nute wrote: Hello from San Diego: What countries and what standards require the indoor use: symbol? This symbol is comprised of a stick-figure house with an arrow pointing from outside to inside. My experience with this symbol is through TUV Product Service. They require its use because (they told me) it is required by a German standard for household use products. I do not know the standard. When TUV Product Service made me use the symbol, I asked for the standard reference and a printed example. They had none. So, one of their engineers drew the symbol and provided it to me. (This was some years ago.) The symbol is not in either the IEC symbol standard or the ISO symbol standard. I don't know of any product standard that requires the symbol. Perhaps one of the subscribers to this list can provide more information about what country and what standards require this symbol? Best regards, Rich - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). housetuv.tif
Re: Inherently Limited power source..
Hello George, An Inherently Limited power source is one in which the impedance of the source, typically a transformers' primary or secondary, is such that the available output is limited within the constraints of low energy as defined by a standard. UL 1585, for example, describes the limits/requisites for such a trafo design and the means for determining the power available. There is also an IEC standard for such transformers, but it's number does not come to mind at this instant. I'm certain someone else on this listserver can provide that bit of info. I also believe that if a non-accessible, non-replaceable current limiting device (film-resistor, fuse or ptc, for example) is housed within the transformer, the output can also be determined to be Inherently Limited. Also, if considering an Inherently Limited power source, other than a transformer, the same principles apply. Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * *Save 25% on the NEW EMC Encyclopedia * * * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 sparaci...@andovercontrols.com wrote: Hello all, The standard that I'm working with states under Power Limited Circuits that: an Inherently Limited power source does not require overcurrent protection, while a Not Inherently Limited power source does require it. Could someone give me an explanation of what makes a power source Inherently Limited.. Thank You, George - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: ESRI
Hello George, I usually plug unknown terms (such as ESRI) into the Altavista Search Tool as a first-shot at identifying them. This one yielded lotsa hits for www.esri.com which appears to be a GIS Software and Training outfit. That could be the one you are looking for ? Regards, Art Michael, Editor - Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * Another service of the Safety Link* * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 geor...@lexmark.com wrote: Is anyone familiar with ESRI as a requirement or standard? I am fielding a question from our marketing folks as the person who usually handles what I call weird standards questions is on vacation. The requestor thought that ESRI has something to do with GIS. Neither acronym rings a bell for me. Regards, George Alspaugh Product Safety Lexmark International Inc. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Fw: EMC encyclopedia ??
Hello Morel, Just visit the Int'l Product Safety Bookshop www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html where you will find the book you seek. The EMC, Telecom and Computer Encyclopedia Handbook 3rd Ed. (and CD-ROM), by Don White was just published a few weeks ago. For a limited-time we are offering this book and cd-rom at a 25% discount. We will ship it (by Priority Mail) anywhere in the US for US$105.00 (Regualr price is US$142.00, including shipping in the US) Regards, Art Michael -- On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 ed.pr...@cubic.com wrote: Posted for Morel Grunberg morel.grunb...@telrad.co.il: From: Morel Grunberg morel.grunb...@telrad.co.il Subject: EMC encyclopedia ?? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:34:19 +0300 To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Hello, Looking for informations on how/where to get the Don White 'EMC encyclopedia' on hardcopy and/or CD ROMs. No findings on WEB search. Any help will be appreciated. Morel ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 Date: 06/29/1999 Time: 08:37:33 Military Avionics EMC Services Our Specialty Also Environmental / Metrology / Reliability -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: India
Hello Dave, Just go to the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term India or on BIS for the Bureau of Indian Standards. And, I believe they are members of the CB Scheme too. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 INT Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com (the web's most comprehensive collection of electrical product safety and standards resources) ISSN : 1040-7529 --- On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, George, David L wrote: Has anyone heard of any regulatory requirements from India. My search has found nothing. Do they have a standards organization? Dave George Unisys - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
NPSS, Inc. 1999 Meeting Schedule, Next Meeting 4/28/99 (fwd)
The Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc. 2 Milliston Rd. Suite 2GN, Millis, MA 02054 U.S.A. The Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc. meets on the fourth Wednesday of each month (except for July, August and December) and the third Wednesday in November. Unless otherwise noted (See June and November dates), meetings are held at EMC Corporation's Customer Briefing Center at 42 South St., Hopkinton MA at 7 p.m. NPSS, Inc. was incorporated as a non-profit organization (501(c)3) in 1991, after approximately 3 years of informal activities. Directions: On I-495 take exit 21B, turning right and make a left onto South St. at the first traffic light. Take your second right into EMC's parking lot. The meeting starts at 7:30 p.m. The group usually gathers at 7 for light refreshments (thanks to EMC Corporation) and networking. Pre-meeting social and dinner: Socializing at O'Tooles Pub-North Pond House from 5:00 to 6:45 PM, where food and drink may be purchased. O'Tooles is on South Street, on the right, a bit past the meeting site, noted above. You will often find us in the dining room (to the rear of the building). Park in back of the restaurant and enter thru the back door. - AdCom Meeting: April 28th, Hopkinton MA, 5:30 p.m. (Dynasty Chinese Rest.) - 1999 Meeting Schedule: January 27th, 1999Speakers: Mr. Jim Linehan, Operations Mgr, ITS Mr. Chuck Kolifrath, Dir. Of Quality, Conformity Americas Div., ITS Subject: The CB Scheme - An Update February 24th, 1999 Subject: Current Status of the EN 61000-3-2 3 Harmonics and Flicker Requirements Speaker: Mr. Tom Mahr, Gen. Mgr. Voltech Inst's Morrisville NC March 24th, 1999 Subject: Surge Standards for UPS and Surpressors in Accordance with UL-1449 (Tentative) Speaker: Mr. Ron Bell, Engineer, American Power Conversion Corp. April 28th, 1999 Subject: EN 60950, Clause 6 - Telecom Additions; Definitions Limits of TNV circuits Separation requirements for TNV circuits Accessibility Battery Compartments Protection of Telecom Network Personnel TNV Leakage Current Tests Protection from network overvoltage Australian National Deviations Speaker: Mr. Dan Clarkson, Compliance Engineer, BABT Product Service May 26th, 1999Subject: Sheparding Proposals thru the NEC/NFPA; Methods employed to successfully change the status-quo within a highly structured and necessarily bureaucratic process. The lessons learned are directly applic- able to any effort to change any Code or Standard that employs ANSI's consensus code revision process. Speaker: Mr. Bill Keezer, Project Manager, Bose Corporation; At Bose since 1973 Bill is responsible for some of Bose's most cri- tically acclaimed product designs. He is a holder of 5 patents and active in a wide variety of national committees. June 23rd, 1999 Subject: ANNUAL RECRUITMENT DINNER Holiday Inn, Marlborough MA Speaker: Mr. Bill von Alven, (FCC, retired) July - No Meeting August - No Meeting September 22nd, 1999 Subject: Joint Meeting with IEEE EMC Society Subject To Be Announced Speaker: October 27th, 1999Subject: Speaker: November 17th, 1999 Subject: 5th Annual Vendors' Night, Holiday Inn, Marlborough MA December - No Meeting - Happy Holidays !!! Messages, Questions Comments can be sent to n...@safetylink.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list
Re: Telecom CE marking
Hello Kim, Just visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search on the term; Markings for BABT This will take you to the link to their collection of graphics files Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * A new service of the Safety Link * * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 kim.boll.jen...@i-data.com wrote: Dear group, Can anyone help me with the layout of the EU telecom marking. Where can I down load the X mark layout . Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen i-data, Denmark - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: General Product Safety Directive
Hello Jeff, To find the General Product Safety Directive link, just visit the Safety Link at: www.safetylink.com Then, using your browser's search tool, search on the term 92/59/EEC or on the acronyn, GPSD and you will find the link for this document. Regards, Art Michael, Editor - Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * * * A new service of the Safety Link * * www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Bailey, Jeff wrote: I have seen a few references to the a General Product Safety Directive on a few different web sites. The problem is that all I have seen are references and I can't seem to find any good information on this. Can anyone tell me where I can download the text of this directive? It is fairly easy to find the text of other directives but this one seems to be a little elusive. :( Thanks, Jeff Bailey EMC Technologist SST Division of Woodhead Canada Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363 Fax: (519) 725 1515 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca Web: www.sstech.on.ca - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
UL/CSA Listings (a Clarification)
Hello All, Just had a short emailversation with Dick Pittenger regarding his response (enclosed below). We both agreed that while his response may be true in the Consumer Product world, it is not correct with respect to the Workplace (under OSHA's control); And that happens to be where Mr. Harlowe's equipment is headed for (as determined in an emailversation with Mr. Harlowe earlier today). OSHA requires all electrical equipment to be Listed, Labelled, etc, per the earlier and very comprehensive response on this topic submitted by Ron Pickard. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 PSTC Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * A new service of the Safety Link * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - -- Forwarded message -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:44:06 -0500 From: pitt...@pmifeg.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Hello Brian: Concerning your questions about the requirement for UL Listing/CSA Certification for electrical equipment used in the USA and Canada, here's my two cent's worth (this is based on 20+ years of handling submittals to both agencies): For the USA, NFPA 70 (the National Electrical Code) makes reference to use of Listed equipment, meaning that electrical construction equipment, conduit, outlets, boxes, circuit breakers AND utilization equipment such as appliances which are permanently connected to the branch circuit, must be evaluated and covered by an NRTL such as UL. Thus, any installation that will be subjected to an electrical inspection needs to be made-up of Listed equipment. If not, the inspector performing the inspection must make the judgment himself concerning suitability of the components. Some states and cities are not willing to take on that responsibility and make it very difficult to use non-Listed equipment. Field inspections by UL are possible but cost-prohibitive. For cord-connected portable equipment, it is entirely possible to avoid any Listing at all since the user simply takes the product home and plugs it in with no electrical inspection taking place. Case in point is holiday lighting strands, many of which are on store shelves with no Listing Marks in evidence. In reality, most reputable manufacturers want, and in-the-know consumers demand, a third-party Listing of some sort. Personally, I wouldn't want any electrical product in my home that didn't meet at least such minimum levels of safety standards such as UL's (indeed some of the products that do have the Mark are marhinal at best).. Additionally, with the product liability climate in the USA, manufacturers want the extra assurance that an outside organization has agreed that a minimum safety standard has been met. This can be very beneficial during litigation. For Canada, Certifications or field inspections of electrical equipment are mandated by law. Therefore, in most instances, a Certification is the most economical procedure. For low-volume equipment, field inspections are possible but again expensive. Note that it's very common now for manufacturers to submit to UL or CSA for coverage in both the USA and Canada-one project for a small additional expense covers requirements for both and allows for markings acceptable to both countries to be placed on each unit. Hope this information helps some. R. Pittenger PMI Food Equipment Group Troy, Ohio - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: info Israel
Hello Hans, Just go to the Safety Link at: www.safetylink.com where you will find SII (the Standards Institute of Israel) and most of the rest of the regulatory bodies and test agencies of the World. Regards, Art Michael, Editor, Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * A new service of the Safety Link * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Hans Vigne wrote: Does anyone on this board knows the web address of the regulatory approval body of Israel. I'm interested in finding out what kind of emc-safety regulations they have and if MRA's with this country are already in place ? Thanks You, Hans Vigne Option International - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Stage Lighting Controls
Good Morning, Can anyone tell me what the requisite IEC and/or EN standard/s for Stage Lighting and Automation Controls are ? ThanX and regards, Art Michael Happy Holidays to All * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * A new service of the Safety Link * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
question (re: 98/37/EC
Hello Lisa, 98/37/EC is a re-issue of the original Machinery Directive (89/392/EEC) along with all of its amendments to that re-issue. 98/37/EC can be found in the EC's Official Journal (OJ, L 207, pages 1-46, dated 23 July 1998. Regards, Art Michael, Editor - Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * A new service of the Safety Link * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 lisa_cef...@mksinst.com wrote: Can someone confirm for me that the machinery Directive is now 98/37/EC? ..or is this an ammendment to the original? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
NPSS, Inc. 4th Annual Vendors' Night (18 NOV)
Hello all, If you are going to be in the Boston area on 18 NOV, don't miss the Northeast Product Safety Society's 4th Annual Vendors; Night. 40 Tables full of product safety and emc resources. The best show of it's kind in the USA; For full details see our website at: www.safetylink.com/#NPSS Deli-Deluxe Buffet: Free to NPSS members (with reservation), $10.00 in advance to others (with reservation) and $15.00 at the door. Regards, Art Michael, for the committee - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
NPSS's 4th Annual Vendors' Night - Info
The NORTHEAST PRODUCT SAFETY SOCIETY, Inc. presents the 4th Annual Vendors' Night November 18, 1998 FREE Admission!! -- Deli-Deluxe Buffet, Coffee and Dessert, 6-7:30pm. FREE to NPSS Members, Others; US$10.00 in advance, $15.00 the nite of the event. (Details Below) LOCATION: Boxborough Woods (Holiday Inn), One Adams Pl. Boxborough MA - Visit with the Agencies, Test Labs, Consultants Suppliers of components, materials and test equipment. Last year's exhibitors included; Associated Research, BSI Testing, CSA, Chomerics Test Services, Compliance Engineering, Compliance Plus, Conti-Younger/Corcom, Curtis-Straus, Detecon, DEC, Educated Design Dev't, Entela, EuroPort/EUROCONSULT, FM, Haefely Trench, Integrity Design Test, Int'l Product Safety News, Intertek Testing Services, M. Swank As- sociates, Marathon Sales, MET Laboratories, National Technical Systems, Olsen Technical Sales, Panel Components Corp, Pat Associates, QuadTech, Quantum Change EMC Systems, Retlif Testing Labs, San-O Industrial Corp., Scientific Devices, Stratus Test Labs, Teeco, TuV Essen, TuV Product Service, TuV Rheinland of NA, UL, Voltech Instruments, WW Wilson Associates's and more ___ Meet and network with your friends, colleagues, and vendors. 5:00 P.M. Registration Cash Bar Opens, Free Appetizers(Courtesy-Entela) 5:30 Exhibition Hall Opens 6:00-7:30 Deli-Deluxe Buffet: (Details Below) 7:30 Short Program and Announcements 9:00 Exhibition Hall Closes Additional Info on NPSS's Website: http://www.safetylink.com/#NPSS * For Deli-Deluxe Buffet reservations; Contact: Bill Graham, Scientific Devices New England Ph(978) 568-3366 Fx(978) 568-1454 Email billg_s...@compuserve.com A reservation form (text-based) can be found at: www.safetylink.com/npssbuff.txt An online form can be found at: www.safetylink.com/npssbuff.htm Vendors: Contact Art Michael Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax (860) 346-9066 Email:n...@safetylink.com ### REF:vniteinf.txt (9/98c) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
ThanX from The Safety Link (A Milestone!)
Hello PSTCers, Last night the 100,000th visitor entered the Safety Link (the web's most comprehensive collection of electrical product safety and standards resources.) Our counter was started towards the end of 1995. 40,000+ have visited in the past year and the rate continues to climb. ThanX to all who have visited (from 50+ Countries), contributed the location of useful sites (now in excess of 400) or provided indications that a link no longer functions (fortunately, a limited occurrance). AND, THANX to our corporate sponsors, (who provide financial support). 100,000 Product Safety Professionals can't be wrong. If you are not familiar with our offerings, please visit www.safetylink.com With appreciation, Art Michael, Webmaster - the Safety Link Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 INT Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: South North Korea Russia
Good Morning, Since South Korea and Russia are members of the CB Scheme I believe they follow IEC-950 (per the provisions of the CB Scheme). Have no information re North Korea. Regards, Art Michael, Editor - Int'l Product Safety News * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * A new service of the Safety Link * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 salba...@hns.com wrote: Hello Everyone, Does anyone have an idea on what will be the equivalent for the UL 1950 in North, South Korea and in Russia? Do they have a country specific Standard? or they follow the EN60950 ? Your help is highly appreciated. Sarmad Albanna Compliance Engineer Hughes Network Systems PH (301) 428-5705 Fax (301) 428-2835 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: GOST Certificate and GOST Marking
Hello Ed, Try sending your query to i...@gost.ru (which appears on their website homepage). You can access GOST's pages (in Russian) by selecting their acronym GOST on the Safety Link www.safetylink.com Unfortunatel, their English language link does not appear to be functional yet. Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * A new service of the Safety Link * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Ed Wesel wrote: Dear EMC-PSTC Group, I am trying to get some insight about what is really needed to sell into Russia. I have heard several different approaches from distributors, sales persons and marketing types concerning compliance to The State Committee for Standardization, Metrology and Certification (Gosstandart of Russia). 1) Some say the requirement is for 1/1/99 (Certificate and marking the product) others say 7/1/98 (for Certificate). 2) Some say it applies to both Safety and EMC others say just EMC. 3) Some say it only applies to consumer products (not broadcast or video storage products). 4) Some say they can get an exemption (even say they have gotten them) this may be something like a local inspection/evaluation. 5) Does the operator's manual need to be in Russian? If yes see 6). 6) Seems Russia has many different languages which one(s) are acceptable? I am interested in knowing what other compliance engineers are doing or approaches they think will meet the legal requirements, if any apply. All suggestions are welcome. Thanks for your help! Ed Wesel Regulatory Compliance Tektronix Inc phone 503 627-1666 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: CB SCHEME
Hello George Doug, The CB Scheme, providing for the mutual acceptance of electrical safety test data, among 30+ countries, covers 14+ product categories and is certainly not limited to ITE. An extension of the CB Scheme to provide for the mutual acceptance of EMC test data has been in effect for more than a year. The list of participants, at this juncture, is smaller than the list of those that accept each other's safety test data. Another expansion of the CB Scheme is called the FCS (Full Certification Scheme). The intent of this program, (not quite yet implemented - to my knowledge), is to provide a means for the sharing of the full certification, not just sharing of the test data. To keep up-to-date on these useful Schemes, one should subscribe to the CB Bulletin which is a bargain at less than US$100.00 per year. For this fee you will receive 4 numbered volumes per year (some of them are more than one issue) totalling more than 4 (10 cm) of material. This publication details the participating countries and labs, sources for test equipment, changes in rules, product areas covered by each participatant and much-much more. The CB-Scheme also has a website (see note below). Subscriptions can be purchased from your IEC National Certification Body (NCB) or directly from the IEC. Links for the IEC and the CB Scheme (and many others) can be found on the Safety Link: www.safetylink.com Regards, Art Michael, Editor -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |http://www.safetylink.com | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | |of product safety and standards links on the WEB| |Check our latest offer | || || | Int'l Product Safety News | | Celebrating our 10th Aniversary, 1988-1998 | || | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | |Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | |email: i...@connix.com | -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 geor...@lexmark.com wrote: The CB Scheme is a standard set of tests to IEC 950 (now IEC 60950) requirements. It does not include emissions, immunity, and telephone requirements beyond IEC 60950. For example, the Nordic countries used to require both safety and EMC data for approval to use their marks. As a result of the EU Directives, and use of the CE marking, the EMC data is no longer required as part of the approval process in these countries. Where EMC and health (e.g. chemical emissions) issues must be satisfied as well, they are in addition to the CB Scheme, not a part of it. Although EMC requirements are fairly consistent (CISPR 22), the requirements for health, recycling, manual content etc. are not. Thus far, there is no global reciprocal scheme that addresses EMC, health, telephone, etc. George R. Alspaugh Lexmark International -- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on 09/16/98 08:42 AM --- Please respond to Douglas Mckean dmckean%corp.auspex@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark Subject: Re: CB SCHEME Well, this has been rather informative, but the CB scheme as I understand it is specific about exactly what test data is involved. Right now, it's mainly safety related testing, no? In other words, you could be testing a product in country A who participates in the CB Scheme. The tests may involve emissions, immunity, safety and telephone. Submitting your product to country B who also participates in the CB Scheme may mean that country B will accept ONLY the tests involved with safety and none of the other tests. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j
Re: Euro cordage: HAR versus CE?
Hello Rich, A) I've not heard that CE Markings should go on cordage but . B) I believe that HAR Harmonized Cordage is a CENELEC program and only available to CENELEC member countries and manufacturers located therein. Regards, Art Michael, Editor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
Re: CSA and standards for electrical eq.
Hello Paolo, You can find the CSA's web-link and hundreds more on the Safety Link at: http://www.safetylink.com Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Paolo wrote: Florence (italy), 7 july '98 Dear Sirs, do anyone know I can find informations/standards about CSA (canada) electrical safety requirements for equipments? Thank in advance. -- ing paolo fini italponti telecomunicazioni via Reims 12 50126 -Firenze ( Italy - UE ) italp...@tin.it --
Tungsten Halogen Lamp spec's
Hello all, I'm presently involved in a decorative lamp project (IEC 60558-1 and -2-4) which utilizes a 24 Watt, 12 Volt tungsten-halogen lamp. The question is: What is the definition of high pressure and low pressure with respect to tungsten halogen lamps, as defined in IEC 60357, Paragraph 9.1 ??? (I'm reluctant to purchase the standard for this one bit of information) ThanX, Art Michael A.E. Michael, Dir. of Engineering Product Safety Int'l 166 Congdon St. East, Dept. PSTC Middletown CT 06457-2107 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : p...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com
Re: EMC/Safety in Poland
Hello Susan, A couple of suggestions: A) Find your way to the Safety Link (http://www.safetylink.com) and click on the link for the CB Scheme. Once there, click on the link for participating countries and then click on Poland. Full contact info is provided. B) From the Safety Link, click on the IEC's link; then search for a link for the IEC Members list and finally click on Poland You will find a full page or more of contact info for the IEC member in Poland. Regards, Art Michael, Editor - Int'l Product Safety News - On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Susan Beard wrote: I recently read an article in Conformity discussing Poland's B mark for safety certification. Could anyone in this group provide more information on both the EMC and safety requirements for shipping ITE into Poland? Thanks in advance. Susan Beard sbe...@xlcomputing.com Cycomm Secure Solutions (formerly XL Computing, Inc.) RCIC - http://www.rcic.com Regulatory Compliance Information Center
Re: 60Hz EM fields
Hello Chuck, A) Go to the Alta-Vista search tool (or other favorites) and put in the term: power line AND canceror try: power +line +cancer It will direct you to many links. B) Go to the Safety Link (http://www.safetylink.com) and look for the link to NIOSH. I believe they have material on this subject (and they used to offer a free booklet too). Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 chuck_p_olb...@waters.com wrote: Hi Folks Might someone have some information as to the harmful affects of 60 Hz magnetic fields of overhead power lines, or where I might look for some information. Thank you and have a great day Chuck
Re: German Equipment Safety Law
Hello Richard, Although the following is not a direct answer to your query, it appears to be relevant to your interest/s. In the current issue of TUV Rheinland's newsletter World News (March-April 1998) on page 5 there appears an article titled, New German Law Closes Gaps. Therein it is stated, Germany is enforcing a new product safety law, made effective August 1, 1997, entitled, Law to Regulate the Safety Requirements for Products and Preservation of the CE Marking (translated). It further states, This law, which implements both a European Union (EU) Directive and the Product Liability Law of 1989, closes remaining gaps among the product-specific safety laws, such as the Pharmaceutical, Food, or Equipment Safety Laws (GS Law). Regards, Art Michael, Editor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, WOODS, RICHARD wrote: My copy of the Equipment Safety Law has a revision date of 1980. Does anyone have a later revision or can verify that the 1980 revision is the current revision? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics wo...@sensormatic.com Views expressed by the author do not necessarily represent those of Sensormatic.
Safety Approvals in China; Interested in Your Experiences
Hello all, I'd like to hear about your experiences, including successes and failures, if you have endeavored to gain SACI and CCEE marks for China on your own. That is, without the assistance of 3rd parties, on your side, or the other side, of the World. Please indicate the type of product you submitted, and whether or not you utilized the CB Scheme to expedite your efforts. The prevailing wisdom seems to be that it is foolhardy to try this on your own. Is that true? Anecdotes sought. You may reply to me privately if you wish. ThanX and regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 PSTC Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529
Northeasat Product Safety Society, MEETING: 22 APRIL 98
NPSS MEETING NOTICE: 22 APRIL 98 Reiner Krumme, Medical Division Manager and Lead Auditor of TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc. will be speaking at the next meeting of the Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc., on Wednesday, April 22nd, 1998. Mr. Krumme is a recognized medical expert who holds a Masters degree in Biomedical Engineering from the Technical University of Berlin. He has been working at TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc. for the past 7 years. The topics Reiner Krumme will be discussing on April 22nd will address Medical Equipment approvals in the U.S. and abroad, and will include: The FDA-Modernization Act Recognized Consensus Standards Essential Requirements and Harmonized Standards Please join us for this informative presentation. Don't hesitate to bring a colleague along. The meeting is open to all interested parties. Regards, Pete Marti, NPSS Vice-President and Program Chairperson NOTE: For those unfamiliar with our meeting schedule; We usually get together around 7 p.m. to chat, network, enjoy the nice fruits, cheeses and beverages provided by our gracious hosts, the EMC Corporation, and then start the official meeting at 7:30. The meeting is held at EMC's Customer Briefing Center located at 42 South Street, Hopkinton, MA. Further details, including directions, can be found on the NPSS website located at; http://www.safetylink.com/npss.html
RE: Rumour re Russian withdrawal from CB (Not True!)
Hello all, I have just received a reply from the Secretary of the IECEE (CB Scheme) which confirms that Russia is still very much a part of the CB Scheme. Keijo Wegelius's reply follows: Regards, Art Michael, Editor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- -- Forwarded message -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:32:10 +0200 Subject: RE: Rumour re Russian withdrawal from CB Thanks for the message. The rumour is not true; in fact I am leaving for Moscow tomorrow with Pierre de Ruvo for assessment of RU Goststandart etc. I am out from office for 10 days. Regards, Keijo
Re: National Deviations for IEC 950
Hello Ned, Yes; CB Scheme Deviations to IEC 950 are listed in CB Bulletin No. 89A I. I don't believe you will find CB Bulletins on the Web as they are copyrighted materials. But you can find other useful CB Scheme info on the CB scheme website: www.cbscheme.org Regards, Art Michael, Editor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Ned Devine wrote: Hello, I am looking for the CB Scheme national deviations to IEC 950. I believe that they are specified in CB Bulletin 89A I. Can anybody verify this? Also, does anyone know if the CB Bulletin's are on the web? Thanks Ned Devine Entela, Inc. Program Manager III Toll Free:1 800 888 3787 Ext. 671 Direct: 1 616 248 9671 Fax: 1 616 248 0591 e-mail: ndev...@entela.com
Re: CBEMA Curve and IEEE 446 Orange Book
Hello Mike, The ITIC (Information Technology Industry Council) was formerly known as CBEMA (Computer Business Equipment Manufacturers Association, Inc., - I believe). An ITIC link can be found on the Safety Link (http://www.safetylink.com) Regards, Art Michael, Editor -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |http://www.safetylink.com | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | |of product safety and standards links on the WEB| |Check our latest offer | || || | Int'l Product Safety News | | Celebrating our 10th Aniversary, 1988-1998 | || | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | |Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | |email: i...@connix.com | -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, MikSherman wrote: Quick quiz time: What does CBEMA stand for on the voltage sag and drop-out curves, such as in the IEEE 446 orange book and other places? Someone here at work asked me, and I'm stumped! thanks! Mike Sherman FSI International miksher...@aol.com
Re: List Of Countries in CB Scheme
Hello Michael The best source of information is the CB Bulletin, a subscription publication which costs less than US$100.00 per year. It can be ordered from ANSI (in the US) or IEC (in Geneva). Beyond that, try the CB Scheme website at: http://www.cbscheme.org where you will find a tabulation of participating countries. The CB Scheme currently has 34 countries participating in one (or more) product categories. (or go to the Safety Link (http://www.safetylink.com) where you will find the CB Scheme link and 400 others) Regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Michael Cusanelli wrote: Does anyone know where I can get a lisiting of all the countires who are part of the CB Scheme for IEC950? Regards, Michael Cusanelli Phihong USA
CENELEC's Website Is Online
Hello All, We learned this morning that CENELEC finally has their website up and running. Their link has just been added to the Safety Link http://www.safetylink.com (where you can find more than 400 additional links of interest). Please visit and check out CENELEC's new, and long-awaited, resource. Note that CENELEC's site is still under construction and not all links are active yet. However, much valuable info is already online. Regards, Art Michael, Webmaster - the Safety Link
Re: EN 60950 and component heating
Hello Kevin, This is not an uncommon problem as you have probably guessed. Rather than get embroiled in discussing the details of what one should measure, I'd rather offer a couple of ways I've seen used to work around the problem. A) Assuming you are using leaded diodes; Raise the diode off of the board and pass the leads thru tubular standoffs (rivets) which are staked to the board prior to wave soldering or pass the leads thru glass or ceramic beads prior to insertion in the board. Another standoff scheme is to bend a V into the leads prior to insertion into the board. I've seen diodes raised as much as 2 cm off the board. B) Use a higher temperature-rated circuit board. C) Use a combination of A and B, noted above. Let us know how this works out. Regards, Art Michael, Editor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Kevin Harris wrote: Hello All, In testing some product for excessive temperatures I have come up against the following problem. Consider a diode (part of a bridge rectifier circuit) and the PCB underneath the component. If one measures the temperature of the diode it does not come close to the specification for the part. However if we place a thermocouple on the pad where the diode is attached to the PCB and we consider that as a temperature measurement for the PCB material itself ,then the temperature obtained is above the board manufacturers spec of 110 C (when we take into account our maximum permissible ambient temperature of 49 C). By the by all this is NOT operator accessible if that makes any difference. Questions. 1. Is this a valid temperature measurement for the PCB? I'm of two minds on this. It could said that I'm really measuring the diodes temperature and not the PCB. On the other hand the diode pad does touch the PCB . 2.Would it be more reasonable to measure the temperature in the same neighborhood as the pad but make sure that the probe does not touch the PCB pad? Would a notified body be of the same opinion? 3.If you feel that the first method is a valid measurement technique then do you know of any ways to work around the problem? There are many power devices that can easily and safely exceed a PCB material spec of only 110 C. Thanks for your opinions! Best Regards, Kevin Harris email harr...@dscltd.com
50,000 and Counting -- Thank you!
Hello pstc-ers, The Safety Link (http://www.safetylink.com) noted the entry of its 50,000th visitor today, 2 September 1997. Our counter was started in December of 1995 and the website has been active since the Summer of that year. We would like to thank all of our visitors as well as our Corporate Supporters. Your continued visits and support affirm our intent that the Safety Link serve as a useful resource for electrical product safety professionals. And, for those not familiar with the sites offerings, we invite you to surf in and check out the web's most comprehensive collection of electrical product safety resources. ThanX again, Art Michael, Webmaster of the Safety Link.
Varistors Allowed - Line to Ground? for European App's
Hello All, Have heard from some sources that surge-suppressors (Varistors, MOVs, Tranzorbs, etc) are not allowed between Line to Ground, in EN 60950 products, except perhaps for permanently mounted, wired-in equipment. The concern seems to be that of increased leakage-current over time. Looking for authoritive substantiation (citations - please) for allowance or disallowance of surge-surpressors from Line to Ground under European compliance considerations. And, if you know of any surge-suppressors which bear European approvals for this application (line-ground), I'd appreciate that info too. ThanX, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 EMC-PSTC Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529
U.S. - EU MRAs, Now Available on the Safety Link!
Hello all, The U.S.-EU Mutual Recognition Agreement/s can now be found on the Safety Link, the web's most comprehensive collection of electrical product safety and standards links. Point your browser at: http://www.safetylink.com Select the subsection [Product Safety Articles, FAQs, MRAs, Etc.] where you will find the MRA documents at the end of the sub-section. The documents are in WP6.0 format and uuencoded, as supplied by the U.S. Department of Commerce. They will remain online and available to all for the time being. If, and when, the traffic becomes excessive, I may have to limit access. These are interesting times; Enjoy! Regards, Art Michael, Webmaster - the Safety Link (http://www.safetylink.com) and Editor - Int'l Product Safety News Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 US/EU MRAs Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@connix.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529
NPSS 6/25/97 Meeting Notice, And, this month, 2 Speakers!
Hello All, The next meeting of the Northeast Product Safety Society will be held on June 25th, 1997, 7:00 pm at EMC Corp in Hopkinton MA (42 South St.). If you will be in the area, we invite you to attend, have some munchies, and meet your colleagues. Two Speakers this month!! Dwayne Davis, Associated Research, regarding Product Safety Testing, Basic Requirements, Questions, and Common Misconceptions Bruce Langmuir, Bose Corp., who will discuss his proposal, Mains Product Leakage Current Allowances and Proposal to Increase Them with respect to UL 6500, CSA 22.1 No. 1, and IEC 65 (all covering Audio-Visual and related products). Bruce is proposing increasing the allowance for 3-wire connected products to 3.5 mA (as allowed in ITE standards) from the presently allowed A-V Equipment leakage current of 0.5 mA. He will also distribute a survey to provide for the assessment of leakage current levels presently exhibited by products. Further information incluing Bio's of the Presenters and Descriptions of the presentations (as well as complete info re NPSS, Inc. and its goals, etc.) can be found on the NPSS website at: http://www.safetylink.com/npss.html Regards, Art Michael, Member - NPSS, Inc.
Re:IEC 950 EN60950, Amendment 4
Hi Ron, Here is a response from Gail at CENELEC with respect to your interest in IEC 950 EN 60950 Amendment 4. Regards, Art Michael, Editor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Forwarded message -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:06:54 +0100 From: FAGEN GAIL To: Art Michael amich...@connix.com Subject: Re: IEC 950, Amendment 4, Clarification Sought Hello, I'm not sure whether your question concerns just IEC 950/A4, CENELEC EN 60950/A4 or both so I've forwarded your question to the IEC Central Office as well. Regarding EN 60950:1992/A4:1997 - The Amendment was published March 14, 1997 so there's no reason it shouldn't be available. One reason there may be availability problems is that the dop (date the CENELEC members have to implement the EN with a national standard) is 1997-08-01, so possibly the corresponding British standard isn't ready yet. A4:1997 is not included in the original EN 60950:1992, so the user should make sure he/she has both the original standard and the amendment. And, like all CENELEC standards based on an IEC Reference Document, it's to be read with the IEC standard (and amendments). Hope this clears things up. Let me know if we can be of further help. Best regards, Gail --
Re: Approval agency symbols
Hello Raymond, On the Safety Link (http://www.safetylink.com), in the sub-section titled, Safety Articles, FAQs, etc. you will find a link called Safety Marks. This link has around 15 marks posted. I know of no comprehensive collection of marks but do know that if you visit each agency's website, you will usually find their mark/s prominently displayed. The Safety Link is a good place to start your hunt. Regards, Art Michael, Editor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - On Tue, 20 May 1997, Raymond Li wrote: Can anyone tell me where can I obtain the latest approval agency symbols for reference. Thanks and regards, Raymond Li Dixons Asia Ltd
NPSS, Inc. Dinner 4/23/97, Charles Ludolph to speak
Hello all, If you are, or plan to be in the Boston area on April 23rd, you may be interested in the following NPSS, Inc. Dinner/Meeting ThanX and regards, Art Michael (For the Northeast Product Safety Society) -- Forwarded message = Who: Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc. P.O. Box 651, Boylston MA 01505-0651 What: 3rd Annual NPSS, Inc., Membership Recruitment Dinner - which affords members the opportunity to meet socially and to introduce prospective members to the Society, its members and its programs. When: April 23, 1997 Registration 5:00 pm Dinner Program 6:00 p.m. Speaker QA 7:30 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. Dinner Closes 9:30 p.m Where: Radisson Inn Marlboro, 75 Felton St., Marlborough MA The Speaker: Charles Ludolph, Director, Office of the European Union and Regional Affairs, Int'l Trade Administration, U.S. Department of Commerce Mr. Ludolph chairs the U.S. government committee on Standards, Testing and Certification of the European Union which is charged with developing policy towards European standards initiatives and dealing with Mutual Recognition agreements. He has been with the U.S. D.O.C., since 1971 and has been involved with European Union concerns since 1983. The topic:The Status of U.S.-EU Mutual Recognition Agreements Their Impact on Conformity Assessment in the U.S. Dinner: A Pasta Festival Buffet will be served at 6:00 p.m. The dinner is free to members of the Society, and $15.00 to all others. Membership in the Society is $28.00 per year (Membership includes the dinner). Reservations: Dinner reservations are necessary; Please contact: Dick Silvernail, Sequoia Systems Phone: 1-508-480-0800 Ext 1343 Fax: 1-508-481-2418 Email: r...@sequoia.sequoia.com Background: The Northeast Product Safety Society, Inc. is a 501(c)(3) incorporated under the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Founded in 1988, its stated purpose is the Advancement of theory and practice of product safety and allied arts sciences and the maintenance of a high professional standing among its members. Further information about the Society and its programs can be found on its website at: http://www.safetylink.com/npss.html
RE: European Directives
Doug Arthur The website suggested by Doug is a good one but .. Beware! The contents are identified as those published in the OJ as of 1 January 96. That's long-long-ago in the world of conformity assessment. I'm not aware of any other, authoritive and public compilation of the information you seek (although several private sources do publish this information for a fee). Compliance Engineering Magazine (CE) does print a list occasionally, but it is not in the current issue. Regards, Art Michael, Editor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Frazee, Doug wrote: A complete listing of European Directives is available, as well as harmonized standards applicable to each directive at: http://www2.echo.lu/nasd/ Doug Frazee EMC Compliance Engineer Alliant Techsystems, Inc. Advanced Technology Applications 401 Defense Highway Annapolis, Maryland 21401 USA Tel: (410) 266-1793 FAX: (410) 266-1853 doug_fra...@atk.com -- From: Arthur Poolton (MEPCD)[SMTP:arth...@apricot.mee.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 9:22 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: European Directives Hi, Does anyone out there know where I would be able to obtain a comprehensive listing of ALL European Directives in force and impending please ? Arthur Poolton Approvals Manager Mitsubishi Electric - PC Division (Apricot Computers Limited)
EN 60950, Amt 4, Published March 14, 1997
Hello All, This morning I received the following information from CENELEC in response to my query yesterday regarding the status of Amendment 4 of EN 60950. Regards, Art Michael, Editor - IPSN * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety News * *Check out our current offer on the * * Safety Link at http://www.safetylink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- -- Forwarded message -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:32:42 + To: Art Michael amich...@connix.com Subject: Re: EN 60950, Amt 4 Hello, It must be telepathy - EN 60950:1992/A4:1997 was just published by CENELEC today (March 14). It can already be considered as a harmonized standard under the Low Voltage Directive, because under this directive the lists are published in the Official Journal for information only. Best regards, Gail
