Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question. I do know there are at least 3 versions of FeLV. Personally I wouldn't take the chance of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house. I have mixed negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their vaccine. Sharyl --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like I read that. So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus? Does that make sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the virus. Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
My vet says I sould keep my negatives up to date on their felv vaccinations. It has been over 2 years now since I got my first felv pos baby and all are well, especially the felv pos ones. They are the sleekest, most energetic ones in the bunch. Annie especially has the shiniest fur and the vet marvels at her and Nitnoy. Nit is especially lucky as she had a run in with a raccoon and lost most of her tail. Even with that trauma, she is doing well. Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question. I do know there are at least 3 versions of FeLV. Personally I wouldn't take the chance of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house. I have mixed negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their vaccine. Sharyl --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like I read that. So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus? Does that make sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the virus. Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
Hadn't heard about the vet jet. I'll have to ask about it. Because I didn't know the one cat had the virus until she died a few weeks ago most of my cats have lived with her and shared food bowls for at least a year and some were with her for almost two years. One vet was kind of saying that if they hadn't gotten the virus by now they probably wouldn't get it so there wouldn't be a need to vaccinate any of my others. I don't know if he's right or not about not vaccinating the negatives. I've just been tossing that idea around. But then someone was asking me about these FeLV + kittens and it got me to thinking about whether I should vaccinate if a new member was added. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:49:28 -0700 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself I think that they are immune for life if they get and extinguish the virus. I do not believe that it is a mutating virus of any sort, at least not so far. The problem is you have no way of knowing for sure that you cat did this unless it was positive and is now negative. Cats develop some natural immunity with age, it is possible to live together for years and not contract it even with repeated exposures. If you are concerned about vaccine related sarcomas there are FeLv vaccines that are given by the vet jet that is considered much safer, that is what we were using at the last vet hospital I worked at. Good luck, Tanya --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like I read that. So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus? Does that make sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the virus. Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
Figures the virus would mutate. My husband and I were talking and thinking that the vaccine probably helps the cat develop antibodies to one general form of the virus so even if a different form or mutation of the virus is introduced into the system the antibodies created from the general form of the virus would be strong enough to combat the mutated form as well. Make sense? So in theory it would work if the cat got the virus and extinguished it the same way as if the cat were vaccinated. However, I think all you guys might be right. Just vaccinate the negatives before introducing another positive just to be safe. To assume that my cats that test negative now have contacted the virus and extinguished it (just because they lived with the FeLV + kitty for two years) might be taking a big risk. Even though the cats were together two years maybe for some reason they never got enough of the virus into their system for their bodies immune system to have to respond. So then they really don't have immunity in their system. I guess it's not worth taking the risk. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:00:31 -0700 From: cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question. I do know there are at least 3 versions of FeLV. Personally I wouldn't take the chance of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house. I have mixed negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their vaccine. Sharyl --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like I read that. So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus? Does that make sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the virus. Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Don't know about garlic but onions can cause an irreversible anemia in cats and dogs. On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:04 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I had always been told that yeast along with garlic and onions were not good for cats. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: www.swansonvitamins.com - great source for great prices Brewer's Yeast tablets: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=Brewers+Yeast+tabletsdoSearch =truentt=n=0ntk=Level1x=44y=12 Nutritional yeast flakes are very nutritious - great in cooking and flavoring! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle MMPG I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago. I think it helped with fleas. But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as well. When we have movie night we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on. Very tasty. This is for us humans, mind you. The cats always try to lick out the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content. So, if we can find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Yes, I've heard that onions and garlic are not good for the cat. Yeast has been advised to reduce fleas. Guess the fleas don't like the vit. B or smell of the yeast. I've never had a cat try to eat onions/garlic, but I've had them try to eat the yeast. And the popcorn, which I doubt is good for them. ~B. - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Don't know about garlic but onions can cause an irreversible anemia in cats and dogs. On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:04 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I had always been told that yeast along with garlic and onions were not good for cats. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: www.swansonvitamins.com - great source for great prices Brewer's Yeast tablets: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=Brewers+Yeast+tabletsdoSearch =truentt=n=0ntk=Level1x=44y=12 Nutritional yeast flakes are very nutritious - great in cooking and flavoring! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle MMPG I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago. I think it helped with fleas. But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as well. When we have movie night we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on. Very tasty. This is for us humans, mind you. The cats always try to lick out the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content. So, if we can find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
I had always been told that yeast along with garlic and onions were not good for cats. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: www.swansonvitamins.com - great source for great prices Brewer's Yeast tablets: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=Brewers+Yeast+tabletsdoSearch =truentt=n=0ntk=Level1x=44y=12 Nutritional yeast flakes are very nutritious - great in cooking and flavoring! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle MMPG I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago. I think it helped with fleas. But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as well. When we have movie night we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on. Very tasty. This is for us humans, mind you. The cats always try to lick out the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content. So, if we can find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what
[Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
I would say leave well enough alone unless you are afraid that she may get pregnant...let her recuperate and then have the vet check her. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Colostrum...works wonders for critters and people. If you have access to a holistic vet, ask her/him for advise. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Jannes Taylor wrote: I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle This Sunday will be one month since I rescued Amber. I have no idea if she has ever been spayed or not. I am guessing not... If she hasn't, should she not be coming in heat soon? I just hope and pray she is not pregnant. If she does come in heat, I will get her spayed afterwards. Just waiting to see. As always, thank you everyone for your advice! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
MMPG I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago. I think it helped with fleas. But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as well. When we have movie night we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on. Very tasty. This is for us humans, mind you. The cats always try to lick out the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content. So, if we can find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed, it was noticeable that they were in heat. Because Amber is FeLV+, build up her immune system with some good vitamin supplements before she is spayed. BTW, when she's shaved, a vet can also see if there's a scar! I got a cat off death row in NYC, and we don't know whether she has been spayed. Since I have no intact males, there's no danger of pregnancy - we will just wait and see if she goes into heat, otherwise, we can shave and check at any timeI wouldn't worry too much - also check for nipple size -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
www.swansonvitamins.com - great source for great prices Brewer's Yeast tablets: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=Brewers+Yeast+tabletsdoSearch =truentt=n=0ntk=Level1x=44y=12 Nutritional yeast flakes are very nutritious - great in cooking and flavoring! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle MMPG I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago. I think it helped with fleas. But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as well. When we have movie night we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on. Very tasty. This is for us humans, mind you. The cats always try to lick out the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content. So, if we can find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call the cocktailworks wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I use it frequently myself and swear by it. On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Natalie wrote: A veterinarian can probably be able to tell by palpating her stomach...I've had cats that were never very obvious, but when spayed
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Congratulations on our new additions! I'm sure Murphy sent them your way :) I am so drawn to black kitties. I just lost mine this morning from complications from Stomatitis. It seems many times they have realized they need super personalities to overcome the black kitty syndrome. I have had adopters come to our shelter say they did not want to look at any black cats then leave with a black cat because their personalities were just what they were looking for. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 8:55 PM Well, here we go into the fray!! After losing 5 FeLV+ boys in the past 1 1/2 years and suffering the worst heartache and financial strain-we were down to just Rosie-littermate to 4 of the boys who passed first, a month apart, all by the time they were a year old. We just lost Murphy the end of October, he was 2 1/2, and our big, elderly Aussie on Nov 6. We went to Petsmart to get some dog food and a local rescue had their adoptable kitties there. I had already asked the SPCA, been honest with Rosie's FeLV+ status-they said no kitty for me. I fell in love with 2 of the boys there and had picked one out-a semi long haired lilac colored kitty. He was so cuddly and also played tough with the other kittens-he was about 5 months old and fully vaccinated for the regular stuff and neutered. I asked them to consult their vet about letting me adopt-they did and she said no problem!! They kept him an extra month and vaccinated him twice for FeLV. He had already tested negative for it. So Miso has been home for a week now and our home is active again-Rosie is playing-they chase each other all over the house! Oh-Miso had been a feral baby-and had a badly infected eye which had to be removed-but he isn't hampered at all by it!! He is 100 mph all over the place and up the cat trees! When we went to pick him up, I visited the first kitty and he wants to live with us also-so we adopted him too-he's a solid black, compact kitty-mellow purr machine, also about 6 months old-the rescue people were so happy-he'd been with them for a long time-black kitty syndrome, I guess. But I had gravitated to him first because my lap kitty that passed 2nd was Jack-a solid black boy who insisted on cuddling with me as soon as I got home every day and I missed him so much. So in a month, he will be coming home to our kitty disneyland-with a living room full of cat towers and pop tents, ball toys in the tracks and tons of kitty toys! I can't wait. But I think it helps to get older kittens who have already tested negative and then vaccinate-it may not be foolproof, but we are trying. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Well, here we go into the fray!! After losing 5 FeLV+ boys in the past 1 1/2 years and suffering the worst heartache and financial strain-we were down to just Rosie-littermate to 4 of the boys who passed first, a month apart, all by the time they were a year old. We just lost Murphy the end of October, he was 2 1/2, and our big, elderly Aussie on Nov 6. We went to Petsmart to get some dog food and a local rescue had their adoptable kitties there. I had already asked the SPCA, been honest with Rosie's FeLV+ status-they said no kitty for me. I fell in love with 2 of the boys there and had picked one out-a semi long haired lilac colored kitty. He was so cuddly and also played tough with the other kittens-he was about 5 months old and fully vaccinated for the regular stuff and neutered. I asked them to consult their vet about letting me adopt-they did and she said no problem!! They kept him an extra month and vaccinated him twice for FeLV. He had already tested negative for it. So Miso has been home for a week now and our home is active again-Rosie is playing-they chase each other all over the house! Oh-Miso had been a feral baby-and had a badly infected eye which had to be removed-but he isn't hampered at all by it!! He is 100 mph all over the place and up the cat trees! When we went to pick him up, I visited the first kitty and he wants to live with us also-so we adopted him too-he's a solid black, compact kitty-mellow purr machine, also about 6 months old-the rescue people were so happy-he'd been with them for a long time-black kitty syndrome, I guess. But I had gravitated to him first because my lap kitty that passed 2nd was Jack-a solid black boy who insisted on cuddling with me as soon as I got home every day and I missed him so much. So in a month, he will be coming home to our kitty disneyland-with a living room full of cat towers and pop tents, ball toys in the tracks and tons of kitty toys! I can't wait. But I think it helps to get older kittens who have already tested negative and then vaccinate-it may not be foolproof, but we are trying. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
WTG Alice!! Sounds like Miso and your new black kitten have a wonderful new home. As someone who does TNR and is fostering 3 black kittens I thank you for giving these boys a forever home. Sharyl --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 8:55 PM Well, here we go into the fray!! After losing 5 FeLV+ boys in the past 1 1/2 years and suffering the worst heartache and financial strain-we were down to just Rosie-littermate to 4 of the boys who passed first, a month apart, all by the time they were a year old. We just lost Murphy the end of October, he was 2 1/2, and our big, elderly Aussie on Nov 6. We went to Petsmart to get some dog food and a local rescue had their adoptable kitties there. I had already asked the SPCA, been honest with Rosie's FeLV+ status-they said no kitty for me. I fell in love with 2 of the boys there and had picked one out-a semi long haired lilac colored kitty. He was so cuddly and also played tough with the other kittens-he was about 5 months old and fully vaccinated for the regular stuff and neutered. I asked them to consult their vet about letting me adopt-they did and she said no problem!! They kept him an extra month and vaccinated him twice for FeLV. He had already tested negative for it. So Miso has been home for a week now and our home is active again-Rosie is playing-they chase each other all over the house! Oh-Miso had been a feral baby-and had a badly infected eye which had to be removed-but he isn't hampered at all by it!! He is 100 mph all over the place and up the cat trees! When we went to pick him up, I visited the first kitty and he wants to live with us also-so we adopted him too-he's a solid black, compact kitty-mellow purr machine, also about 6 months old-the rescue people were so happy-he'd been with them for a long time-black kitty syndrome, I guess. But I had gravitated to him first because my lap kitty that passed 2nd was Jack-a solid black boy who insisted on cuddling with me as soon as I got home every day and I missed him so much. So in a month, he will be coming home to our kitty disneyland-with a living room full of cat towers and pop tents, ball toys in the tracks and tons of kitty toys! I can't wait. But I think it helps to get older kittens who have already tested negative and then vaccinate-it may not be foolproof, but we are trying. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question about Interferon
Many of you have said that you are using interferon to treat your FeLV cats and I'm trying to decide if we should start Eden on this as well. Nobody has mentioned any side effects from the treatment but I work with cancer patients and I've seen many patients treated with interferon and it is not well tolerated at all. In fact it is a treatment that is plagued with many serious side effects and in many cases the side effects are much worse then the symptoms of the patient's actual disease. So I'm wondering if the cats being treated are experiencing side effects or if the dose is so low in cats that the side effects aren't a problem. Thanks, Brenda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about Interferon
Hi Brenda, At this time my kitten is tolerating the interferon. It is my understanding from my vet that some cats do have side effects with the interferon. When we put Kelsea on the interferon it was the right thing to do, she was very sick kitten. I have to say I am very glad I did. I'm not sure if I mention in pass emails that Kelsea is on the interferon for 7 days then off for the next 7 days, she only get 1 cc at night. Let me know what you decide to do. My thoughts are with you and Eden. Sharon On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:59 AM, brenda_osbou...@hotmail.com wrote: Many of you have said that you are using interferon to treat your FeLV cats and I'm trying to decide if we should start Eden on this as well. Nobody has mentioned any side effects from the treatment but I work with cancer patients and I've seen many patients treated with interferon and it is not well tolerated at all. In fact it is a treatment that is plagued with many serious side effects and in many cases the side effects are much worse then the symptoms of the patient's actual disease. So I'm wondering if the cats being treated are experiencing side effects or if the dose is so low in cats that the side effects aren't a problem. Thanks, Brenda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
The vaccine for FVRCP isn't 3-yr one, it is just supposed to be given every three years; the rabies vaccine comes in a one and three year. I don't know what manufacturer's vaccines my vet uses - it shouldn't make a difference. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats Mmmm, now I'm thinking about it...i went to a different vet a couple of years ago and my Davos received a 3-year vaccine. I thought he did that because Davos has a chronic one sided sinus infection. Didn't know they are availble for all cats. But I guess it depends on what kind/type/brand of vaccine you use? 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net The new protocol from the Veterinary Association (I have it) came around quite a few years ago that it shouldn't be done every year, but every three years. And that's exactly what I mean, vets don't even know that? It's disappointing. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats I agree on the Rabies, but not on the FVRCP. Of course a cat that is sick at the moment, shouldn't be vaccinated (no vet will do that), but my vet told me that healthy cats (even Felv+ with no problems at that moment) should be vaccinated annualy. Rather prevent a infection then a Felv+ cat that cannot fight the infection. 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net According to my vet, cats with compromised immune systems should NOT be vaccinated; he also refuses to vaccinate cats that are sick and/or running a feverSince the FVRCP should last a lifetime, and rabies cannot be brought into the house, I would seriously think about not doing it. If a cat doesn't go outside, even if the state requires rabies vaccines, you don't have to do it (they don't knoow that you have a cat) - unless you operate a rescue facility as I do. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your state. I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis, other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster to prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple infection, because of their weak immune system. 2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
I haven't had any false negatives...but it is possible. Let's say a cat has just been exposed to something and is tested; the antibodies haven't yet started to deal with itnegative. That's why they always say to retests after 3 months. In the rescue business, it's very hard to have to isolate each negative cat for three month. In over 18 yrs, we have not yet come across a negative that became a positive. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. My other cats are all negative! But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right? I know about false positives being common, but not false negatives. What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine? Thanks for your time! Peggy 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be correct, or a false positive... If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward at our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves. Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV? If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are only 80% effective) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that. What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay? I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email, and waiting on her answer! Thanks for your input! 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
Well chances are it is negative, I do high volume rescue and have to say honestly I don't think I've done a second test on any of my own that I've kept (I don't mean that's a good thing or anything). I don't even live in a house so know how it is dealing with segregating (I have kittens in both bathrooms right now and much of the time). I just know this is a place where most on the list are interested in the various possibilities and experiences others have had with testing and such, so we tend to share those, it's just not a perfect or predictable world. So maybe something positive has already happened! And if not but you are able to find the kitten a good home--that is still a very positive thing. But sounds like you are taken with the kiddo so hope it works out:-) On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.comwrote: I understand and I'm very aware of that. I guess I just want this kitten to have a good home but it might not be with us. I lost 3 cats in this past year (only one to Felv) and I am just so ready for something positive to happen in this household. A new kitten is such a joy, but maybe not under these circumstances. It is to soon I'm afraid. Still waiting to hear back from my vet, and then I will make my final decision on what to do with this kitten. My other cats were exposed to my Felv+ cat (we just didn't know, until she got sick) for almost a year and every single one of them tested negative in the first test. 2010/12/8 Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she was 8 months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with another cat. She was only out for very short periods close by the house. She never came home showing signs of a fight. Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus when she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother. So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is also possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why they recommend retesting even for negatives. Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: My other cats are all negative! But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right? I know about false positives being common, but not false negatives. What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine? Thanks for your time! Peggy 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be correct, or a false positive... If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward at our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves. Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV? If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are only 80% effective) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that. What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay? I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email, and waiting on her answer! Thanks for your input! 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom
[Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers
I introduced myself and my little FeLV girl Eden the other day. She'd had a couple of episodes of fever and anorexia last week. She was treated at my vet's office and was able to come home on Saturday. She's been doing pretty well but last night we noticed a big improvement in her. She was relaxing and cleaning herself rather then being curled up sleeping all the time. She looked so good and I was so happy to see her being pretty normal. I'm doing assisted feeding with her although she will eat small amounts of food on her own. And she is drinking pretty well too. The vet that treated Eden was not my regular vet as he was off last week but I had a chance to talk to him about Eden yesterday. He doesn't have much confidence in the current treatments for FeLV and said there are no studies that show that any of them offer any benefit. He said he's only had one person interested in doing interferon and it didn't do anything for their FeLV cat. He said he's willing to try it if I want to but I'm not sure if I should pursue it since Eden is now doing so well on her own. She is still on antibiotics. Her blood work showed low WBC and neutrophils but her red blood cells and hematocrit were normal so we know she's not anemic. We had an incident last night with one of our other cats that completely stressed Eden out and caused a bit of a set back. One of our other cats, who is completely crazy, just came out of nowhere and jumped Eden, knocking her over. Eden is a small cat, only 7 lbs, so it doesn't take much to knock her over. But she was not happy the rest of the evening and this morning seemed to wake up with a fever. But her attitude is still great, she ate for me this morning and as I left for work she was sitting in my husband's recliner just happily cleaning herself. She seems to have brief episodes of fever that seem to resolve on their own so I don't think I need to worry too much about those as long as she's still eating and drinking but I was curious if others see this in their FeLV cats too. It also seems that at least a few people have just automatically started treatment for their FeLV cats. Eden is young so we feel that she deserves every chance we can give her but I'm still on the fence about starting any treatment on her. Is there any general thoughts on when to start treatment or even if anyone should start treatments? Brenda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers
I am still looking for something for my two asymptomatic adults - my vet has no confidence in interferon because he has never seen significant results with it. He says that each cat is so different from another that a treatment may help one but not the other. The first kitten I had years ago was on interferon. I am still doing research trying to find something that could be used to boost the immune system, more than just Echinacea. A good multiple vitamin supplement and a daily dose of CoQ10 is keeping my two FeLV+ boys very healthy so far. They are both about 5-6 years old and were strays, probably abandoned. Are you feeding her with Science Diet A-D? Very easy to feed with a syringe, if you have to. I also found that vitamin C in crystal form often helps in bringing down a fever. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of brenda_osbou...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:44 AM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers I introduced myself and my little FeLV girl Eden the other day. She'd had a couple of episodes of fever and anorexia last week. She was treated at my vet's office and was able to come home on Saturday. She's been doing pretty well but last night we noticed a big improvement in her. She was relaxing and cleaning herself rather then being curled up sleeping all the time. She looked so good and I was so happy to see her being pretty normal. I'm doing assisted feeding with her although she will eat small amounts of food on her own. And she is drinking pretty well too. The vet that treated Eden was not my regular vet as he was off last week but I had a chance to talk to him about Eden yesterday. He doesn't have much confidence in the current treatments for FeLV and said there are no studies that show that any of them offer any benefit. He said he's only had one person interested in doing interferon and it didn't do anything for their FeLV cat. He said he's willing to try it if I want to but I'm not sure if I should pursue it since Eden is now doing so well on her own. She is still on antibiotics. Her blood work showed low WBC and neutrophils but her red blood cells and hematocrit were normal so we know she's not anemic. We had an incident last night with one of our other cats that completely stressed Eden out and caused a bit of a set back. One of our other cats, who is completely crazy, just came out of nowhere and jumped Eden, knocking her over. Eden is a small cat, only 7 lbs, so it doesn't take much to knock her over. But she was not happy the rest of the evening and this morning seemed to wake up with a fever. But her attitude is still great, she ate for me this morning and as I left for work she was sitting in my husband's recliner just happily cleaning herself. She seems to have brief episodes of fever that seem to resolve on their own so I don't think I need to worry too much about those as long as she's still eating and drinking but I was curious if others see this in their FeLV cats too. It also seems that at least a few people have just automatically started treatment for their FeLV cats. Eden is young so we feel that she deserves every chance we can give her but I'm still on the fence about starting any treatment on her. Is there any general thoughts on when to start treatment or even if anyone should start treatments? Brenda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers
Right now she's eating her regular canned food with NutriCal mixed in. She likes it alot and is now starting to show some interest in just eating it right off of a plate. I'm also looking for some immune boosters. Transfer Factor seems like a good one. I'm also wondering if anyone has used neupogen for low white blood cell counts? We use it here for our cancer patients but I've not heard of it being used in animals. Thanks for the tip about the Vit C. I'll check it out. Brenda Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:20:33 -0500 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers I am still looking for something for my two asymptomatic adults - my vet has no confidence in interferon because he has never seen significant results with it. He says that each cat is so different from another that a treatment may help one but not the other. The first kitten I had years ago was on interferon. I am still doing research trying to find something that could be used to boost the immune system, more than just Echinacea. A good multiple vitamin supplement and a daily dose of CoQ10 is keeping my two FeLV+ boys very healthy so far. They are both about 5-6 years old and were strays, probably abandoned. Are you feeding her with Science Diet A-D? Very easy to feed with a syringe, if you have to. I also found that vitamin C in crystal form often helps in bringing down a fever. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of brenda_osbou...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:44 AM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers I introduced myself and my little FeLV girl Eden the other day. She'd had a couple of episodes of fever and anorexia last week. She was treated at my vet's office and was able to come home on Saturday. She's been doing pretty well but last night we noticed a big improvement in her. She was relaxing and cleaning herself rather then being curled up sleeping all the time. She looked so good and I was so happy to see her being pretty normal. I'm doing assisted feeding with her although she will eat small amounts of food on her own. And she is drinking pretty well too. The vet that treated Eden was not my regular vet as he was off last week but I had a chance to talk to him about Eden yesterday. He doesn't have much confidence in the current treatments for FeLV and said there are no studies that show that any of them offer any benefit. He said he's only had one person interested in doing interferon and it didn't do anything for their FeLV cat. He said he's willing to try it if I want to but I'm not sure if I should pursue it since Eden is now doing so well on her own. She is still on antibiotics. Her blood work showed low WBC and neutrophils but her red blood cells and hematocrit were normal so we know she's not anemic. We had an incident last night with one of our other cats that completely stressed Eden out and caused a bit of a set back. One of our other cats, who is completely crazy, just came out of nowhere and jumped Eden, knocking her over. Eden is a small cat, only 7 lbs, so it doesn't take much to knock her over. But she was not happy the rest of the evening and this morning seemed to wake up with a fever. But her attitude is still great, she ate for me this morning and as I left for work she was sitting in my husband's recliner just happily cleaning herself. She seems to have brief episodes of fever that seem to resolve on their own so I don't think I need to worry too much about those as long as she's still eating and drinking but I was curious if others see this in their FeLV cats too. It also seems that at least a few people have just automatically started treatment for their FeLV cats. Eden is young so we feel that she deserves every chance we can give her but I'm still on the fence about starting any treatment on her. Is there any general thoughts on when to start treatment or even if anyone should start treatments? Brenda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers
Hi Brenda, I have a 7 month old kitten who is also 7 lbs. We started her on interferon right away as she is FeLV + in the bone marrow. When she was about 4.5 months she got real sick and her red blood count was 13. At that time we found out she was FeLV+. Our vet recommend interferon along with steroids. It has been about 8 weeks since she got sick and she gone from 4.7 lbs to 7.2 lbs.:) She happy and playing like you would expect a kitten to play. Got a call from her vet last night and her last round of blood work is great. I don't know how long that will last, but I think the interferon is helping for now. My kitten goes to be large vet hospital here in MA. The vet that handling my kitten case has been intouch with other vet hopital about my kitten, which make me feel good about the care my kitten is getting. The vet did tell us that interferon will not cure FeLV, but that cats on interferon do live longer than cats who are not on interferon. I don't know if this helps, but I thought I would share. Take care, Sharon On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:44 AM, brenda_osbou...@hotmail.com wrote: I introduced myself and my little FeLV girl Eden the other day. She'd had a couple of episodes of fever and anorexia last week. She was treated at my vet's office and was able to come home on Saturday. She's been doing pretty well but last night we noticed a big improvement in her. She was relaxing and cleaning herself rather then being curled up sleeping all the time. She looked so good and I was so happy to see her being pretty normal. I'm doing assisted feeding with her although she will eat small amounts of food on her own. And she is drinking pretty well too. The vet that treated Eden was not my regular vet as he was off last week but I had a chance to talk to him about Eden yesterday. He doesn't have much confidence in the current treatments for FeLV and said there are no studies that show that any of them offer any benefit. He said he's only had one person interested in doing interferon and it didn't do anything for their FeLV cat. He said he's willing to try it if I want to but I'm not sure if I should pursue it since Eden is now doing so well on her own. She is still on antibiotics. Her blood work showed low WBC and neutrophils but her red blood cells and hematocrit were normal so we know she's not anemic. We had an incident last night with one of our other cats that completely stressed Eden out and caused a bit of a set back. One of our other cats, who is completely crazy, just came out of nowhere and jumped Eden, knocking her over. Eden is a small cat, only 7 lbs, so it doesn't take much to knock her over. But she was not happy the rest of the evening and this morning seemed to wake up with a fever. But her attitude is still great, she ate for me this morning and as I left for work she was sitting in my husband's recliner just happily cleaning herself. She seems to have brief episodes of fever that seem to resolve on their own so I don't think I need to worry too much about those as long as she's still eating and drinking but I was curious if others see this in their FeLV cats too. It also seems that at least a few people have just automatically started treatment for their FeLV cats. Eden is young so we feel that she deserves every chance we can give her but I'm still on the fence about starting any treatment on her. Is there any general thoughts on when to start treatment or even if anyone should start treatments? Brenda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers
Thank you for sharing your story Sharon. It really does help to hear what others are doing for their kitties. Our only other experience with FeLV was with our kitty Scampi who passed away earlier this year. Scampi was a feral cat that would only let us take care of him from a distance for about 6 years. He lived outside, we put food and water out for him and in the winter we put out a heated dog house for him that he loved. Scampi was already 7 years old when he finally decided he could trust us and that's when we found out that he had FeLV. He lived to be 13 and didn't have any problems at all. When we found Eden I guess we just assumed that she would follow the same path as Scampi so it sort of took us by surprise that she's already having some issues. We really didn't have to make any treatment decisions for Scampi because he didn't need anything. I guess I'm still not totally sure that Eden does either. She is certainly putting us through our paces. Earlier this evening she didn't seem like she was doing very well. Her breathing was very rapid, which it had not been before. We tucked her in somewhere comfy, went to walk the dogs and by the time we got back she was doing much better and even ate some of her dry food. I gave her some canned too and then she spent a good 15 minutes just cleaning herself. She's resting now and looks pretty comfortable. I'm going to talk to my vet more about her tomorrow and see what sort of plan we can come up with. I hope your little one continues to do so well. Brenda Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:54:23 -0500 From: sharon.annfa...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on FeLV Treatments Fevers Hi Brenda, I have a 7 month old kitten who is also 7 lbs. We started her on interferon right away as she is FeLV + in the bone marrow. When she was about 4.5 months she got real sick and her red blood count was 13. At that time we found out she was FeLV+. Our vet recommend interferon along with steroids. It has been about 8 weeks since she got sick and she gone from 4.7 lbs to 7.2 lbs.:) She happy and playing like you would expect a kitten to play. Got a call from her vet last night and her last round of blood work is great. I don't know how long that will last, but I think the interferon is helping for now. My kitten goes to be large vet hospital here in MA. The vet that handling my kitten case has been intouch with other vet hopital about my kitten, which make me feel good about the care my kitten is getting. The vet did tell us that interferon will not cure FeLV, but that cats on interferon do live longer than cats who are not on interferon. I don't know if this helps, but I thought I would share. Take care, Sharon On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:44 AM, brenda_osbou...@hotmail.com wrote: I introduced myself and my little FeLV girl Eden the other day. She'd had a couple of episodes of fever and anorexia last week. She was treated at my vet's office and was able to come home on Saturday. She's been doing pretty well but last night we noticed a big improvement in her. She was relaxing and cleaning herself rather then being curled up sleeping all the time. She looked so good and I was so happy to see her being pretty normal. I'm doing assisted feeding with her although she will eat small amounts of food on her own. And she is drinking pretty well too. The vet that treated Eden was not my regular vet as he was off last week but I had a chance to talk to him about Eden yesterday. He doesn't have much confidence in the current treatments for FeLV and said there are no studies that show that any of them offer any benefit. He said he's only had one person interested in doing interferon and it didn't do anything for their FeLV cat. He said he's willing to try it if I want to but I'm not sure if I should pursue it since Eden is now doing so well on her own. She is still on antibiotics. Her blood work showed low WBC and neutrophils but her red blood cells and hematocrit were normal so we know she's not anemic. We had an incident last night with one of our other cats that completely stressed Eden out and caused a bit of a set back. One of our other cats, who is completely crazy, just came out of nowhere and jumped Eden, knocking her over. Eden is a small cat, only 7 lbs, so it doesn't take much to knock her over. But she was not happy the rest of the evening and this morning seemed to wake up with a fever. But her attitude is still great, she ate for me this morning and as I left for work she was sitting in my husband's recliner just happily cleaning herself. She seems to have brief episodes of fever that seem to resolve on their own so I don't think I need to worry too much about those as long as she's still eating and drinking but I was curious if others see this in their FeLV cats too. It also seems that at least a few people have
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
The other thing is that among adult cats with healthy immune systems, it may not matter whether they're vaccinated or not. I'm of the camp that thinks it doesn't matter. I've seen articles about this but sorry don't have a reference right now - that healthy adult cats are going to throw the virus off whether they're vaccinated or not. Gloria On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote: Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback. It is definitely helpful and encouraging. For those that have asked, the FELV+ kitten is Magic and she is about 5 months old and healthy other than her diagnosis. I have three other cats. Leroy and Zoe are 2 1/2 and had their FELV boosters when they were kittens, but have not had them since - just rabies and distempter. My biggest concern is my oldest cat, Ally, who is 13 1/2. She has only received her rabies shots since she was a kitten as she had a nearly fatal reaction to her vaccines when she was a kitten. Since she is an indoor cat, the vet recommended against further vaccines many years ago. The vet at my practice who suggested potentially integrating after vaccinating also seemed to be in the camp that this disease is not passed as easily from cat to cat as we might be led to believe. She told me that it generally takes prolonged consistent contact to be passed. My FELV+ kitten is currently separated from my other three negative cats and I had been concerned about accidental exposure to my negative cats. She also emphasized that it does not survive long in normal household conditions. I won't be able to talk to my regular vet until late Thursday or Friday. My husband is leaning towards wanting to vaccinate and mix if possible. I'm still on the fence. Again, I'm very appreciate of everyone's insight and perspective. It definitely helps. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
The other thing is that among adult cats with healthy immune systems, it may not matter whether they're vaccinated or not. I'm of the camp that thinks it doesn't matter. I've seen articles about this but sorry don't have a reference right now - that healthy adult cats are going to throw the virus off whether they're vaccinated or not. Gloria On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote: Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback. It is definitely helpful and encouraging. For those that have asked, the FELV+ kitten is Magic and she is about 5 months old and healthy other than her diagnosis. I have three other cats. Leroy and Zoe are 2 1/2 and had their FELV boosters when they were kittens, but have not had them since - just rabies and distempter. My biggest concern is my oldest cat, Ally, who is 13 1/2. She has only received her rabies shots since she was a kitten as she had a nearly fatal reaction to her vaccines when she was a kitten. Since she is an indoor cat, the vet recommended against further vaccines many years ago. The vet at my practice who suggested potentially integrating after vaccinating also seemed to be in the camp that this disease is not passed as easily from cat to cat as we might be led to believe. She told me that it generally takes prolonged consistent contact to be passed. My FELV+ kitten is currently separated from my other three negative cats and I had been concerned about accidental exposure to my negative cats. She also emphasized that it does not survive long in normal household conditions. I won't be able to talk to my regular vet until late Thursday or Friday. My husband is leaning towards wanting to vaccinate and mix if possible. I'm still on the fence. Again, I'm very appreciate of everyone's insight and perspective. It definitely helps. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
I have read in holistic reviews that since rabies is required by law, and you take a chance on vaccinating or not. However, the FVRCP given to kittens, then again, and then a year later (new protocol says every 3 yrs), however, vets still do it yearly because they make money on them. After the initial series for kittens, FVRCP technically should last a lifetimeis anyone listening? NO! It's a money maker. If I didn't operate a rescue group, with cats not going out except in safe outdoor enclosures, I would not vaccinate every year, especially not any cat with FIV/FeLV! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats The other thing is that among adult cats with healthy immune systems, it may not matter whether they're vaccinated or not. I'm of the camp that thinks it doesn't matter. I've seen articles about this but sorry don't have a reference right now - that healthy adult cats are going to throw the virus off whether they're vaccinated or not. Gloria On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote: Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback. It is definitely helpful and encouraging. For those that have asked, the FELV+ kitten is Magic and she is about 5 months old and healthy other than her diagnosis. I have three other cats. Leroy and Zoe are 2 1/2 and had their FELV boosters when they were kittens, but have not had them since - just rabies and distempter. My biggest concern is my oldest cat, Ally, who is 13 1/2. She has only received her rabies shots since she was a kitten as she had a nearly fatal reaction to her vaccines when she was a kitten. Since she is an indoor cat, the vet recommended against further vaccines many years ago. The vet at my practice who suggested potentially integrating after vaccinating also seemed to be in the camp that this disease is not passed as easily from cat to cat as we might be led to believe. She told me that it generally takes prolonged consistent contact to be passed. My FELV+ kitten is currently separated from my other three negative cats and I had been concerned about accidental exposure to my negative cats. She also emphasized that it does not survive long in normal household conditions. I won't be able to talk to my regular vet until late Thursday or Friday. My husband is leaning towards wanting to vaccinate and mix if possible. I'm still on the fence. Again, I'm very appreciate of everyone's insight and perspective. It definitely helps. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
I would call your vet, but i don't see why it would be a problem, just remember kittens immune systems are not as strong as your older cats, make sure you are keeping the water dishes, litter boxes and such clean... congrats on your new addition! From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 11:52:03 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
Since all your other cats are negative, I would not hesitate to start a process of integrating into the household. I assume you're asking since you once had an FELV positive at one time, but as I understand that virus is very fragile and doesn't survive long outside the body. Gloria On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Peggy Verdonck wrote: About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
For now the kitten is seperated from all the others. Only if kitten is negative on the test and vaccinated, we will integrate after 2 weeks (if we decide to keep him). I clean litter boxes every day and they all have their own food bowl. They get fed twice a day. I can't leave food out because of some will keep eating. Thanks on your input! :-) 2010/12/8 Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com I would call your vet, but i don't see why it would be a problem, just remember kittens immune systems are not as strong as your older cats, make sure you are keeping the water dishes, litter boxes and such clean... congrats on your new addition! From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 11:52:03 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that. What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay? I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email, and waiting on her answer! Thanks for your input! 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
Well, yes we had a felv positive cat, but it was in our current group of cats, who are all negative so far. They need to be tested again (since our vet adviced us to do that in a couple of months, to make a 100% sure). 2010/12/8 Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Since all your other cats are negative, I would not hesitate to start a process of integrating into the household. I assume you're asking since you once had an FELV positive at one time, but as I understand that virus is very fragile and doesn't survive long outside the body. Gloria On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Peggy Verdonck wrote: About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your state. I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis, other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster to prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple infection, because of their weak immune system. 2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
According to my vet, cats with compromised immune systems should NOT be vaccinated; he also refuses to vaccinate cats that are sick and/or running a feverSince the FVRCP should last a lifetime, and rabies cannot be brought into the house, I would seriously think about not doing it. If a cat doesn't go outside, even if the state requires rabies vaccines, you don't have to do it (they don't knoow that you have a cat) - unless you operate a rescue facility as I do. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your state. I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis, other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster to prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple infection, because of their weak immune system. 2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be correct, or a false positive... If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward at our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves. Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV? If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are only 80% effective) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that. What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay? I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email, and waiting on her answer! Thanks for your input! 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
I agree on the Rabies, but not on the FVRCP. Of course a cat that is sick at the moment, shouldn't be vaccinated (no vet will do that), but my vet told me that healthy cats (even Felv+ with no problems at that moment) should be vaccinated annualy. Rather prevent a infection then a Felv+ cat that cannot fight the infection. 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net According to my vet, cats with compromised immune systems should NOT be vaccinated; he also refuses to vaccinate cats that are sick and/or running a feverSince the FVRCP should last a lifetime, and rabies cannot be brought into the house, I would seriously think about not doing it. If a cat doesn't go outside, even if the state requires rabies vaccines, you don't have to do it (they don't knoow that you have a cat) - unless you operate a rescue facility as I do. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your state. I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis, other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster to prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple infection, because of their weak immune system. 2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
The new protocol from the Veterinary Association (I have it) came around quite a few years ago that it shouldn't be done every year, but every three years. And that's exactly what I mean, vets don't even know that? It's disappointing. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats I agree on the Rabies, but not on the FVRCP. Of course a cat that is sick at the moment, shouldn't be vaccinated (no vet will do that), but my vet told me that healthy cats (even Felv+ with no problems at that moment) should be vaccinated annualy. Rather prevent a infection then a Felv+ cat that cannot fight the infection. 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net According to my vet, cats with compromised immune systems should NOT be vaccinated; he also refuses to vaccinate cats that are sick and/or running a feverSince the FVRCP should last a lifetime, and rabies cannot be brought into the house, I would seriously think about not doing it. If a cat doesn't go outside, even if the state requires rabies vaccines, you don't have to do it (they don't knoow that you have a cat) - unless you operate a rescue facility as I do. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your state. I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis, other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster to prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple infection, because of their weak immune system. 2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
Rabies may be not be required by law for indoor cats, depending on your local. Even so, they're not going to come in your house to check on your house cats. For FELV, I've read quite a bit that healthy adult cats have a good immunity to it whether they're vaccinated or not. Gloria On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote: Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats
Mmmm, now I'm thinking about it...i went to a different vet a couple of years ago and my Davos received a 3-year vaccine. I thought he did that because Davos has a chronic one sided sinus infection. Didn't know they are availble for all cats. But I guess it depends on what kind/type/brand of vaccine you use? 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net The new protocol from the Veterinary Association (I have it) came around quite a few years ago that it shouldn't be done every year, but every three years. And that's exactly what I mean, vets don't even know that? It's disappointing. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats I agree on the Rabies, but not on the FVRCP. Of course a cat that is sick at the moment, shouldn't be vaccinated (no vet will do that), but my vet told me that healthy cats (even Felv+ with no problems at that moment) should be vaccinated annualy. Rather prevent a infection then a Felv+ cat that cannot fight the infection. 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net According to my vet, cats with compromised immune systems should NOT be vaccinated; he also refuses to vaccinate cats that are sick and/or running a feverSince the FVRCP should last a lifetime, and rabies cannot be brought into the house, I would seriously think about not doing it. If a cat doesn't go outside, even if the state requires rabies vaccines, you don't have to do it (they don't knoow that you have a cat) - unless you operate a rescue facility as I do. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Integrating Positive and Negative Cats Rabies is not necessary on indoor cats, but it's required by law in your state. I would get a second opinion on vaccinating your cats on a regular basis, other then rabies, because even you can bring in a disease that can make your cat sick. Especially cats who are Felv + need their yearly booster to prevent them from getting sick. They might not be able to fight a simple infection, because of their weak immune system. 2010/12/8 Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Thanks Everyone. I am lucky in that my vets have never recommended over vaccinating. Other than rabies, which is required yearly by law in our state, we have never done additional vaccinating on my cats (current and prior) as they are indoor cats only. It's part of the struggle with figuring out what to do. Separately, Magic had a watery eye this morning that she wasn't opening as much as the other one. So we need to keep a watch on that for her as I've also heard treating her symptoms early is key to her quality of life. Thanks again. Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she was 8 months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with another cat. She was only out for very short periods close by the house. She never came home showing signs of a fight. Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus when she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother. So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is also possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why they recommend retesting even for negatives. Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: My other cats are all negative! But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right? I know about false positives being common, but not false negatives. What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine? Thanks for your time! Peggy 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be correct, or a false positive... If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward at our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves. Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV? If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are only 80% effective) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that. What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay? I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email, and waiting on her answer! Thanks for your input! 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.
Hi Peggy, Here is an example, when I rescued a double positive Mama and her kittens, at first (6 weeks old, and pulled from Mom at that point) 2 tested double positive, the other two positive for Fiv only. A vet and another rescuer told me that with kittens from an felv+ Mom sometimes they will teat negative at first but then 'go positive'-which unfortunatelybdid happen in this case. The ones that initially tested + for fiv only, did go on to test + for felv ( but all cleared the fiv) on multiple tests. All of her kittens succumbed by 6 months to just over a year of age, but 3.5 years later, Mama is still going. There is no rule I don't think, this is just an example of how a kitten can test negative then turn out to be felv+ after all. And the opposite can happen as well! Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^= On Dec 8, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she was 8 months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with another cat. She was only out for very short periods close by the house. She never came home showing signs of a fight. Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus when she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother. So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is also possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why they recommend retesting even for negatives. Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: My other cats are all negative! But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right? I know about false positives being common, but not false negatives. What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine? Thanks for your time! Peggy 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be correct, or a false positive... If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward at our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves. Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV? If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are only 80% effective) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that. What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay? I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email, and waiting on her answer! Thanks for your input! 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
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I understand and I'm very aware of that. I guess I just want this kitten to have a good home but it might not be with us. I lost 3 cats in this past year (only one to Felv) and I am just so ready for something positive to happen in this household. A new kitten is such a joy, but maybe not under these circumstances. It is to soon I'm afraid. Still waiting to hear back from my vet, and then I will make my final decision on what to do with this kitten. My other cats were exposed to my Felv+ cat (we just didn't know, until she got sick) for almost a year and every single one of them tested negative in the first test. 2010/12/8 Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she was 8 months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with another cat. She was only out for very short periods close by the house. She never came home showing signs of a fight. Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus when she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother. So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is also possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why they recommend retesting even for negatives. Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: My other cats are all negative! But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right? I know about false positives being common, but not false negatives. What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine? Thanks for your time! Peggy 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be correct, or a false positive... If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward at our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves. Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV? If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are only 80% effective) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that. What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay? I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email, and waiting on her answer! Thanks for your input! 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest. My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into the group in about 2 weeks. Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing! We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else. Thanks for your thoughts! Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
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Yes, and that there is no rule makes it so hard for me. Basicly if you know that it can go both ways, you can't really add another cat to your household because every negative can turn positive at one point. This disease is just very complicated. We got a good scare over this one cat turning out being + after living with our other indoor cats for almost a year. All our other cats turned out to be negative. We can't keep this poor kitten isolated for a couple of months untill everybody has been tested twice, that's why I thought to have the kitten tested and if negative, vaccinate against Felv. But to be honest to myself, the kitten needs to be tested twice also to make sure our other cats will be safe and not just him. 2010/12/8 Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com Hi Peggy, Here is an example, when I rescued a double positive Mama and her kittens, at first (6 weeks old, and pulled from Mom at that point) 2 tested double positive, the other two positive for Fiv only. A vet and another rescuer told me that with kittens from an felv+ Mom sometimes they will teat negative at first but then 'go positive'-which unfortunatelybdid happen in this case. The ones that initially tested + for fiv only, did go on to test + for felv ( but all cleared the fiv) on multiple tests. All of her kittens succumbed by 6 months to just over a year of age, but 3.5 years later, Mama is still going. There is no rule I don't think, this is just an example of how a kitten can test negative then turn out to be felv+ after all. And the opposite can happen as well! Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^= On Dec 8, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: My cat tested negative at 6 weeks old. She did not go out until she was 8 months old. Even then she rarely if ever came in contact with another cat. She was only out for very short periods close by the house. She never came home showing signs of a fight. Looking back at her medical history, including a fairly severe virus when she came to us, the vet believes she got it from her mother. So yes, it is possible for a young kitten to test negative. It is also possible to test negative shortly after exposure. That is why they recommend retesting even for negatives. Melinda, Fuji, and Voodoo Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: My other cats are all negative! But if kittens test is negative now, then he is negative right? I know about false positives being common, but not false negatives. What kind of risks do you mean by using the Felv vaccine? Thanks for your time! Peggy 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net You can test at any age, the question is whether the test result will be correct, or a false positive... If you can keep him isolated in your bathroom (the best isolation ward at our house) until he is over 3 months old, test result efficacy improves. Are your other cats negative or positive for FIV/FeLV? If they are negative, and kitten proves to be negative - don't use FeLV vaccine unnecessarily (they, too, pose risks and, as all vaccines, are only 80% effective) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. He is about 10 weeks old, if not older. When I look at some of his body parts (and testicals ;-) he even seems older then that. What do you think? Too young for testing, or okay? I have to go to the vet later this afternoon to pick up a prescription and I will talk to her about it. I've also send my friend, who is a vet, an email, and waiting on her answer! Thanks for your input! 2010/12/8 Natalie at...@optonline.net It all depends on the kitten's age - when tested too young, tests can have false results. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not. About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later. She was suffering! We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with Oreo for almost a year! To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while. The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold. He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Thank you everyone for all your comments and feedback. It is definitely helpful and encouraging. For those that have asked, the FELV+ kitten is Magic and she is about 5 months old and healthy other than her diagnosis. I have three other cats. Leroy and Zoe are 2 1/2 and had their FELV boosters when they were kittens, but have not had them since - just rabies and distempter. My biggest concern is my oldest cat, Ally, who is 13 1/2. She has only received her rabies shots since she was a kitten as she had a nearly fatal reaction to her vaccines when she was a kitten. Since she is an indoor cat, the vet recommended against further vaccines many years ago. The vet at my practice who suggested potentially integrating after vaccinating also seemed to be in the camp that this disease is not passed as easily from cat to cat as we might be led to believe. She told me that it generally takes prolonged consistent contact to be passed. My FELV+ kitten is currently separated from my other three negative cats and I had been concerned about accidental exposure to my negative cats. She also emphasized that it does not survive long in normal household conditions. I won't be able to talk to my regular vet until late Thursday or Friday. My husband is leaning towards wanting to vaccinate and mix if possible. I'm still on the fence. Again, I'm very appreciate of everyone's insight and perspective. It definitely helps. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sue, my brother and I both have had FELV+ cats that lived to be 17 -- and this was back in the day before the current treatments were available... -Original Message- From: Sander, Sue [mailto:sue.san...@ssa.gov] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats It's so wonderful to know that Bailey lived for over 10 years. Does anyone else know of FEL+ who have lived a long life? If so, please tell me. I want to have hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm writing this on my phone so limited on what I can write. But everyone of course follows their own heart on this. I've been mixing mine for a few years As others do with no problem. I think they hype up the contagion something terrible. I just don't think it that contagious. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Stephanie \(Merkel\) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Stephanie, I've just joined this group today so I'm not sure if I should be responding to this and I'm sure others may have varying opinions on this topic but for me and for my own cats, we allow our FeLV +ve kitty to interact with our other cats. She is not isolated at all nor did we isolate our previous FeLV +ve cat from the others. The others are vaccinated and we have 12 cats all together. They were all strays, some were feral and we try to provide them all with the best possible life that we can. I think the contagious aspect of FeLV is a bit over blown, although obviously not a disease that you want to take lightly. I've read differing views on how contagious it is. I've read that it is really only a concern if cats are fighting or engaging in mating behavior. I've also read that the virus is shed through saliva so even sharing the same water bowl can be a danger to the cats who are not FeLV. So I think you can find both ends of the spectrum in whatever you read. As with anything you should do what you feel is right, keeping in mind that not many people will want to take on a cat who is FeLV +ve so finding your new one a new home may not be that easy. Our previous cat who was FeLV positive lived with us for 6 years. He was feral so we cared for him while he lived outside for 7 years. One day he decided to come inside and he never left. We didn't have any problems with him spreading anything to the other cats and we're really not all that concerned about our newest kitty Eden spreading anything around. She loves the other cats and has great fun playing with two of our younger ones, who were feral alley kittens. I think it's a very personal choice but whatever you decided to do just know that we all do what we feel is right for our own pets and for our individual situations and there are no wrong choices when they are made with love and compassion. Brenda Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:01:24 -0800 From: steph.she...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Hi, my experience is that very young kittens don't live long. But, other than that my cats are vaccinated, I have a few postive cats. I have water drinking fountains, and they are all together.Your kitten is strong, I think you should let her/him out with your other cats.Cathy --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:01 PM Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
I had Bailey+ intergrated with my other as many as 7 negatives and none of them ever became positive. He was 5 months old when I found him and I had him separated but while I was at work come to find out my Joey was sneaking under the door of Bailey's room and playing with him and exposing all of his housemates, didn't make sense to keep him separate after I discovered that. He lived with his housemates for over 10 years, they were all vaccinated. They slept, ate, played, groomed and on occasion had spats and scratched and bit each other, nothing serious but there was blood drawn on occasion from the scratches, no one ever became positive in those 10 years. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
It's so wonderful to know that Bailey lived for over 10 years. Does anyone else know of FEL+ who have lived a long life? If so, please tell me. I want to have hope. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats I had Bailey+ intergrated with my other as many as 7 negatives and none of them ever became positive. He was 5 months old when I found him and I had him separated but while I was at work come to find out my Joey was sneaking under the door of Bailey's room and playing with him and exposing all of his housemates, didn't make sense to keep him separate after I discovered that. He lived with his housemates for over 10 years, they were all vaccinated. They slept, ate, played, groomed and on occasion had spats and scratched and bit each other, nothing serious but there was blood drawn on occasion from the scratches, no one ever became positive in those 10 years. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
happiness is being owned by cats ... Amen! - Original Message - From: Sander, Sue sue.san...@ssa.gov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats It's so wonderful to know that Bailey lived for over 10 years. Does anyone else know of FEL+ who have lived a long life? If so, please tell me. I want to have hope. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats I had Bailey+ intergrated with my other as many as 7 negatives and none of them ever became positive. He was 5 months old when I found him and I had him separated but while I was at work come to find out my Joey was sneaking under the door of Bailey's room and playing with him and exposing all of his housemates, didn't make sense to keep him separate after I discovered that. He lived with his housemates for over 10 years, they were all vaccinated. They slept, ate, played, groomed and on occasion had spats and scratched and bit each other, nothing serious but there was blood drawn on occasion from the scratches, no one ever became positive in those 10 years. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
I brought a very young stray kitten into my home at about 6 weeks. His initial test was negative and he was vaccinated even though he was a bit too young for it. I am in Japan and they have very different beliefs. (Their first vaccine is a 5 in one and includes it.) Anyway, I kept the kitten separate from my positive cat for about a week. They continued to have separate bowls and litter pans and the kitten hid most of the time. My vet believed that prolonged exposure was necessary and after vaccination he should be OK. 4 weeks later, he went to get his booster and retested a very faint positive. My Fuji, another stray who also tested negative initially was diagnosed when she was one year old. I do not believe she got it from exposure as she stayed inside until she was 8 months old. Then her outside time was extremely limited. She did not have prolonged exposure to any other cats and did not get into any fights. It is my belief she got it from her mom and simply suppressed it until it came out later in life. She was pretty sickly when we got her and we managed to almost entirely suppress her secondary virus issue. To make a very long story even longer, I actually believe that the kitten was probably also from a positive mother. Here in Japan, people buy pets from shops at a very high price! Strays tend to be very common and are very sickly. It is possible they pay so much for their pets in order to get healthy ones. While I could blame myself for making the baby sick, I try not to. I know that as far as love, affection and vet care he is better off than he would have been with another family. His mom and sister are still lose and homeless. All of this being said, everything that I read indicated that older cats tend to have a natural immunity. If your other cats are older and you vaccinate them, it seems as though they would be OK. The bottom line is, you have to make your own decision and then be prepared to deal with the consequences. We all love our little VooDoo kitten to pieces and he loves us right back. He will have the best and longest life he can possibly have! I do not regret for one minute taking him in, even as he sits in my lap with a terrible stuffed up nose and sneezing. He has been to the vet twice and everything is being done to get him healthy! You will get some very strong opinions on this one and most will actually be positive. You do what is best for you:) Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo On Dec 7, 2010, at 4:01 AM, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry wrote: Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
My 3 neg cat have lived with Tucson, my pos cat, for most their lives and she is 12 1/2 years old. I also had another pos cat, Romeo, who I brought in 2004 (adult cat) until his death last year, they all lived together. They share dishes, boxes, groom each other, occasionally nip each other, sleep together and none of my neg have ever turned positive. I personally think that FELV is not as contagious as some folks make it out to be. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Got my Tucson as a 6 week old kitten in 5/98 and she's still here, a chunky 17 lbs! Brought my Romeo in 2/04 (stray I was feeding) he was estimated to be 4-5 at the time. He died from lymphoma last fall was never sick until the last 2 weeks of his life. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats It's so wonderful to know that Bailey lived for over 10 years. Does anyone else know of FEL+ who have lived a long life? If so, please tell me. I want to have hope. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats I had Bailey+ intergrated with my other as many as 7 negatives and none of them ever became positive. He was 5 months old when I found him and I had him separated but while I was at work come to find out my Joey was sneaking under the door of Bailey's room and playing with him and exposing all of his housemates, didn't make sense to keep him separate after I discovered that. He lived with his housemates for over 10 years, they were all vaccinated. They slept, ate, played, groomed and on occasion had spats and scratched and bit each other, nothing serious but there was blood drawn on occasion from the scratches, no one ever became positive in those 10 years. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
That is on my checks too! happiness is being owned by cats ... -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Stephanie, as others have already said it is a very personal decision. IMO a lot depends on the ages of your negative cats. If they are adults and vaccinated with the one month booster I'd have no issues with mixing. Over the last 4 yrs I have rescued 10 FeLV+ kittens. My negative cats were adults and current on their vaccine. They played together, ate together and drank from the same water bowels with no problems. From what I could tell the kittens all got FeLV from their Mommas. I lost the last ones this summer. They were 4 yrs old. I am now fostering 6 kittens. Since kittens are more susceptible I will not take in any positive kitties. We each do what is best for our own situation. What is important is to love them and provide a stress free environment for these special angels. Sharyl --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:01 PM Hi Everyone, I am new to this site and new to the world of FELV. My husband and I recently took in a stray kitten, Magic, who had been coming into our yard and on our porch. We've had her inside and separated from our FELV negative cats for six weeks now and love her dearly. At her first vet appt about five week ago she tested positive on two different snap tests. She also recently tested positive on the IFA test. Magic is about five months old and is healthy (other than FELV), active, growing and gaining weight, loves to play and is the sweetest girl. For now, she lives in our master bedroom separated from our other cats. One of the vets at my practice suggested it was possible to integrate her with our other cats if we had them all vaccinated. She did tell me that the vaccine isn't 100% so there was some risk to our other cats. Right now, I do not feel like is the option for me as it doesn't seem fair to expose my FELV negative to cats to the risk of the vaccine itself or exposure to her. However, I thought I would ask if anyone has gone this route and what their experience has been. The vet who suggested this to me isn't the vet I usually see and I am waiting for my regular vet to come back to work later this week. Assuming we don't integrate her with the other cats, she is currently living in our bedroom. She doesn't seem unhappy and while it's not an ideal set-up for us, it is something we could manage long term. I struggle with what is fair for her - to stay with us where we love her so much, but her space is limited or to find her a home where she can have more space and possibly time with her owners. If she stays with us in our bedroom, should we still vaccinate our other cats as a precaution? Any thoughts or experience anyone has on either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Our kitty Scampi lived to be 13 years old with his FeLV. He was never sick in all the years we took care of him. He only became ill about 2 weeks prior to his passing away but even then he still loved to snooze in the sun whenever he could. There is always hope, sometimes it's just harder to find. Brenda -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats It's so wonderful to know that Bailey lived for over 10 years. Does anyone else know of FEL+ who have lived a long life? If so, please tell me. I want to have hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
I always give my cats a pro-biotic with clavamox such as Stoneyfield Farms plain yogurt. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:30 PM That's been my experience often w Clavamox. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
I luv Stonyfield Farms products :) Gloria On Nov 22, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Beth wrote: I always give my cats a pro-biotic with clavamox such as Stoneyfield Farms plain yogurt. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:30 PM That's been my experience often w Clavamox. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] question about grooming
I adopted Spicey about a yr ago knowing he has FL. Over the year he has not shown any symptoms, my vet said to not take him in as to not stress him. He is almost 6 has had FL all his life. I feel very blessed that he hasn't any symptoms. But my problem is his grooming. He is main coon mix with lots of fur. He grooms himself, but not enough. He has many mats his nails need to be cut. He doesn't like to be picked up I am afraid to cut his nails ot trim his mats. Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from Joyce Spicey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question about grooming
Purchase the Furminator - works GREAT :) From: del...@q.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:11:12 + Subject: [Felvtalk] question about grooming I adopted Spicey about a yr ago knowing he has FL. Over the year he has not shown any symptoms, my vet said to not take him in as to not stress him. He is almost 6 has had FL all his life. I feel very blessed that he hasn't any symptoms. But my problem is his grooming. He is main coon mix with lots of fur. He grooms himself, but not enough. He has many mats his nails need to be cut. He doesn't like to be picked up I am afraid to cut his nails ot trim his mats. Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from Joyce Spicey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Hi Stacy, It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the very best for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your vets so much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm than good, and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to keep the good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add to their food. I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4 neg's who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to their homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it really has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To me, diet is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right now, and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may cause yet another issue. I wish you and Spanky well. Tracey On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Hi Tracey: Thanks for your reply. I actually do trust my main vet, he is very open minded and looks at all my research and does research as well, and he actually does acupuncture and chinese herbs. He referred me to the specialist/derm once so she could have a look at his lesions and see if she thought they were cancerous. she suggested biopsy/surgery which he would never be able to tolerate so we opted to try the neoplasene. It did shrink 3 of them after just one application but then I elected to not salve again right away in his present condition. He's not any better today and just looking really terrible. I'm going to see if I can try to get him into the vet. I am not sure if he has an infection, is more anemic or if he's just tired of fighting. In any case, it is very frustrating and disheartening and you just feel helpless and hopeless seeing your furbaby like this. As far as him eating, he used to eat wellness grain free canned and dry. Now he eats whatever I can get him to eat which isn't much at all. I've been syringing food into him this past week and giving fluids. Even with the appetite stimulant, he's not very interested in food. I understand the importance of a high quality diet/nutrition but if he won't eat, I have to just try to get him to eat something. Purrs, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:24 AM Hi Stacy, It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the very best for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your vets so much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm than good, and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to keep the good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add to their food. I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4 neg's who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to their homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it really has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To me, diet is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right now, and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may cause yet another issue. I wish you and Spanky well. Tracey On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
The probiotics might be a good idea - some good bacteria in the tummy/ gut, and certainly providing nutrients. Might try syringing some chicken/turkey baby food too. Sometimes just getting something into the belly helps. Good luck - sending good vibes for Spanky. Gloria On Nov 21, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote: Hi Tracey: Thanks for your reply. I actually do trust my main vet, he is very open minded and looks at all my research and does research as well, and he actually does acupuncture and chinese herbs. He referred me to the specialist/derm once so she could have a look at his lesions and see if she thought they were cancerous. she suggested biopsy/ surgery which he would never be able to tolerate so we opted to try the neoplasene. It did shrink 3 of them after just one application but then I elected to not salve again right away in his present condition. He's not any better today and just looking really terrible. I'm going to see if I can try to get him into the vet. I am not sure if he has an infection, is more anemic or if he's just tired of fighting. In any case, it is very frustrating and disheartening and you just feel helpless and hopeless seeing your furbaby like this. As far as him eating, he used to eat wellness grain free canned and dry. Now he eats whatever I can get him to eat which isn't much at all. I've been syringing food into him this past week and giving fluids. Even with the appetite stimulant, he's not very interested in food. I understand the importance of a high quality diet/ nutrition but if he won't eat, I have to just try to get him to eat something. Purrs, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:24 AM Hi Stacy, It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the very best for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your vets so much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm than good, and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to keep the good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add to their food. I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4 neg's who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to their homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it really has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To me, diet is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right now, and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may cause yet another issue. I wish you and Spanky well. Tracey On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
That's been my experience often w Clavamox. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on coat/clavamox
I wondered about using Clavamox too. It is an antibiotic for bacterial infections. This sounds more like a flea allergy to me. Even a couple of fleas can cause some cats to get scabs all over their bodies. On 01-17, Tracey Shrout wrote: I haven't heard any of you mention the cats diets. Are they eating a good quality food? I believe that is one of the most important things to consider. Isn't clavamox an antibiotic? I know they sometimes have side effects. I don't know a whole lot about it, but probiotics would be something to consider to keep the good bacteria in check. Just an idea . . . Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on coat/clavamox
I haven't heard any of you mention the cats diets. Are they eating a good quality food? I believe that is one of the most important things to consider. Isn't clavamox an antibiotic? I know they sometimes have side effects. I don't know a whole lot about it, but probiotics would be something to consider to keep the good bacteria in check. Just an idea . . . Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on coat/clavamox
Hi Tracey, My two kittens (9 mo.old Bengals, diagnosed FeLV positive at 6 mo.) are eating Radcat Raw diets, supplemented with Wellness kitten kibble and Lysine treats. We just took them in for their second blood tests yesterday and should have results by Tuesday. They've been getting LTCI (six weekly treatments each) and Mega C mixed in with their food. They have also been on Clavamox periodically (yes, an antibiotic) for a slight URI which seems to have disappeared for the moment. We had a little loose bowel issue when we began administration of the Mega C, which quickly passed (no pun intended!). Sara --Original Mail-- From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:53:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on coat/clavamox I haven't heard any of you mention the cats diets. Are they eating a good quality food? I believe that is one of the most important things to consider. Isn't clavamox an antibiotic? I know they sometimes have side effects. I don't know a whole lot about it, but probiotics would be something to consider to keep the good bacteria in check. Just an idea . . . Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] question
I've had MeMe for three years, this month. Considering the condition she was in when we got her she has done very well. There are two things that concern me right now and I was wondering if anyone on the list had any ideas. Her coat is in terrible condition. It is hard to describe but it looks somewhat oily and really bedraggled. I guess it should not look healthy since she has Felv, but it is a dramatic change from her once fluffy coat. It has been this way for a few months. During the past week she has had a deep, almost guttural cough. I have only heard it a few times, possibly once a day, but I've heard it. She's just finished 10 days of Clavamox to help keep her stomatitis in check. She is eating very well but something is off and I am not sure what. Her posture is different. She has her paws tucked under her chest. We've started her on LTCI injections just before Christmas and I have a vet who is making house calls to inject her and he will be here today. He has not seen the change in her coat nor heard this deep cough. I'm not sure what he can determine without bloodwork. I was hoping that someone with a Felv cat might have seen similar changes and had an idea where to begin. Sorry this is all so vague. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question
Frankie had greasy fur so I took him in for blood work. He had pancreatitis. It is under control with a food change. The unkempt fur is from not feeling well. They stop grooming themselves. Frankie also has the guttural cough. He has asthma. Frankie is not FeLV+. Good luck. It is very good that she is still eating. I would look for changes in her stool. Frankie's was fudgy on and off - I realize now it was probably fudgy when his pancreatitis was acting up. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] question I've had MeMe for three years, this month. Considering the condition she was in when we got her she has done very well. There are two things that concern me right now and I was wondering if anyone on the list had any ideas. Her coat is in terrible condition. It is hard to describe but it looks somewhat oily and really bedraggled. I guess it should not look healthy since she has Felv, but it is a dramatic change from her once fluffy coat. It has been this way for a few months. During the past week she has had a deep, almost guttural cough. I have only heard it a few times, possibly once a day, but I've heard it. She's just finished 10 days of Clavamox to help keep her stomatitis in check. She is eating very well but something is off and I am not sure what. Her posture is different. She has her paws tucked under her chest. We've started her on LTCI injections just before Christmas and I have a vet who is making house calls to inject her and he will be here today. He has not seen the change in her coat nor heard this deep cough. I'm not sure what he can determine without bloodwork. I was hoping that someone with a Felv cat might have seen similar changes and had an idea where to begin. Sorry this is all so vague. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question
Thanks so much Laurie. The thing that is weird is that she is grooming herself but her coat looks dreadful. I'll make arrangements today for blood work although I was hoping to keep her out of the vets. I'll see if he can draw it here? thanks again Jane On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Laurieskatz wrote: Frankie had greasy fur so I took him in for blood work. He had pancreatitis. It is under control with a food change. The unkempt fur is from not feeling well. They stop grooming themselves. Frankie also has the guttural cough. He has asthma. Frankie is not FeLV+. Good luck. It is very good that she is still eating. I would look for changes in her stool. Frankie's was fudgy on and off - I realize now it was probably fudgy when his pancreatitis was acting up. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] question I've had MeMe for three years, this month. Considering the condition she was in when we got her she has done very well. There are two things that concern me right now and I was wondering if anyone on the list had any ideas. Her coat is in terrible condition. It is hard to describe but it looks somewhat oily and really bedraggled. I guess it should not look healthy since she has Felv, but it is a dramatic change from her once fluffy coat. It has been this way for a few months. During the past week she has had a deep, almost guttural cough. I have only heard it a few times, possibly once a day, but I've heard it. She's just finished 10 days of Clavamox to help keep her stomatitis in check. She is eating very well but something is off and I am not sure what. Her posture is different. She has her paws tucked under her chest. We've started her on LTCI injections just before Christmas and I have a vet who is making house calls to inject her and he will be here today. He has not seen the change in her coat nor heard this deep cough. I'm not sure what he can determine without bloodwork. I was hoping that someone with a Felv cat might have seen similar changes and had an idea where to begin. Sorry this is all so vague. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question
Aww Jane-I hope MeMe gets better quickly. I have both of mine on LTCI and they are both doing great with it. We began Rosie and Murphy the first of Sept with weekly injections and are now on 6 weeks between the injections. We just got their CBCs done last week and they both have HCTs at 39.5. We began the LCTI before they began to crash. It was right after we lost Rosie's 4 brothers to anemia before they reached a year old. Our vet, Dr. Krysta (Wozniewicz) at the Sacramento Cat Hospital has spoken to the Imulan veterinarians and says that they are very helpful. Perhaps your vet can speak with them about MeMe? Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] question on adopting neg kitten to family with positive cat
Hello everyone, I joined this list some years ago because as a rescuer, I wanted information on how best to deal with leukemia colonies we were running into. My organization also does adoptions. We have a family interested in one of our kittens as a companion to a 5 yr old positive cat. Their cat tested positive for leukemia as a kitten and their vet recommended euthanizing - they declined and the cat is now a healthy adult, and still testing positive. The kitten they are interested in is under 3 mos and was the runt of the litter. One concern I have is the number of vaccines plus neutering a cat that age has to go through already in a relatively short period of time - then add in the leukemia vaccine on top of that. And is the vaccine good enough protection for a kitten, should a kitten even get that vaccine? Any thoughts on this, or if you do adoptions, how would you handle it? I'm hesitating suggesting they look for another positive youngster only because the family has young children. We have plenty of kittens of all ages, and young adults - does this matter? Thanks for any thoughts - it's a very nice family with a great reference from their vet. Janine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on adopting neg kitten to family with positive cat
i know that the vaccine can be used for kittens--best thing would be to do a search for the various companies that make it, and read their package insert for exact ages. the big thing is that it takes an initial does, and then a booster between two and three weeks later. great to hear they have a healthy five-year-old--hopefully, it's one of the, non-progressives who continue to test positive, but never become symptomatic, and are NOT contagious! hard choices re: all the usual vaccines plus the FeLV one, but these folks have taken on the task of dealing with a positive cat, which rather raises them up on MY scale of being good cat-parents--if they're in love with the little one, and you can hold it long enough for the two shots (which would give you a bit longer to do the neutering, too), i'd probably go with them. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on adopting neg kitten to family with positive cat
Janine, as long as the kitten can get the FeLV vaccine and booster before being exposed to their cat they should be fine. I will tell you my Stormie story. I had caught 2 kittens from a dumpster colony I was feeding. Took Rocket and Sissy to the vet and they tested FeLV+. Vet recommended PTS for them and the entire colony. Needless to say I didn't do that. There were also 2 gray kittens a couple of weeks older. I was able to catch Stormie. Took her to the vet and she tested negative. I had Sissy and Rocket in a taming cage in the garage. Since Stormie was negative, she took up residence in the bathroom for 2 weeks. Started with the usual kitten shot. Stormie got her FeLV vaccine when she got the 2nd series of kitten shots. She got a booster 4 weeks later. After the booster I mixed all the kittens. That was almost 2 yrs ago and all 3 are still doing fine. All my negative cats get the annual FeLV booster. It is hard to find good homes for kittens this yr. As long as you or the family can isolate the kitten until she gets the vaccine and booster the kitten should be fine. JMO Sharyl --- On Wed, 9/30/09, janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] question on adopting neg kitten to family with positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:05 PM Hello everyone, I joined this list some years ago because as a rescuer, I wanted information on how best to deal with leukemia colonies we were running into. My organization also does adoptions. We have a family interested in one of our kittens as a companion to a 5 yr old positive cat. Their cat tested positive for leukemia as a kitten and their vet recommended euthanizing - they declined and the cat is now a healthy adult, and still testing positive. The kitten they are interested in is under 3 mos and was the runt of the litter. One concern I have is the number of vaccines plus neutering a cat that age has to go through already in a relatively short period of time - then add in the leukemia vaccine on top of that. And is the vaccine good enough protection for a kitten, should a kitten even get that vaccine? Any thoughts on this, or if you do adoptions, how would you handle it? I'm hesitating suggesting they look for another positive youngster only because the family has young children. We have plenty of kittens of all ages, and young adults - does this matter? Thanks for any thoughts - it's a very nice family with a great reference from their vet. Janine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
Where do you buy A/D? Is that the REAL name if I went into a store? Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D A/D is a specially prepared canned cat food that is high nutrition and very palatable. As far as tofu is concerned, I have cats who like soy products but it is not nutritionallly complete for cats so I would not let a cat try to live oin it. But I'll give most cats whatever appeals to them as a treat,. - Original Message From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:08:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D? IS TOFU GOOD FOR CATS? Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our 20-lbs- er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge frames as well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it seems. He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away from Mom!) -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
Susan, I believe it is a Hills product and you can only purchase it from vets. At least that is the way it is by me. Sue Sander wrote: Where do you buy A/D? Is that the REAL name if I went into a store? Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D A/D is a specially prepared canned cat food that is high nutrition and very palatable. As far as tofu is concerned, I have cats who like soy products but it is not nutritionallly complete for cats so I would not let a cat try to live oin it. But I'll give most cats whatever appeals to them as a treat,. - Original Message From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:08:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D? IS TOFU GOOD FOR CATS? Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our 20-lbs- er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge frames as well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it seems. He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away from Mom!) -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
It is a prescription food and you can only buy it from a vet. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D Where do you buy A/D? Is that the REAL name if I went into a store? Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
Science Diet A/D. You can water it down with warm water and syringe feed it because it has no chunks. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D It is a prescription food and you can only buy it from a vet. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D Where do you buy A/D? Is that the REAL name if I went into a store? Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
You can usually get S/D from you vet, it is a prescriptin food. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
Generally you need a prescription for A/D food although it is usually easily acquired. You can get it at almost any vet clinic. It is called A/D food, made by Science Diet - they have a number of different types of food, with similiar names, depending on the disease process being targeted - i/d, w/d, c/d, etc. Good luck On 9/2/09, Sander, Sue sue.san...@ssa.gov wrote: Where do you buy A/D? Is that the REAL name if I went into a store? Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D A/D is a specially prepared canned cat food that is high nutrition and very palatable. As far as tofu is concerned, I have cats who like soy products but it is not nutritionallly complete for cats so I would not let a cat try to live oin it. But I'll give most cats whatever appeals to them as a treat,. - Original Message From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:08:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D? IS TOFU GOOD FOR CATS? Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our 20-lbs- er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge frames as well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it seems. He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away from Mom!) -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
You CAN find A/D online without a prescription but typically the added shipping cost makes the stuff prohibitively expensive. Just google the following -- feline a/d buy -- and you'll find places to buy without a prescription - Original Message From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 10:17:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D Generally you need a prescription for A/D food although it is usually easily acquired. You can get it at almost any vet clinic. It is called A/D food, made by Science Diet - they have a number of different types of food, with similiar names, depending on the disease process being targeted - i/d, w/d, c/d, etc. Good luck On 9/2/09, Sander, Sue sue.san...@ssa.gov wrote: Where do you buy A/D? Is that the REAL name if I went into a store? Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D A/D is a specially prepared canned cat food that is high nutrition and very palatable. As far as tofu is concerned, I have cats who like soy products but it is not nutritionallly complete for cats so I would not let a cat try to live oin it. But I'll give most cats whatever appeals to them as a treat,. - Original Message From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:08:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D? IS TOFU GOOD FOR CATS? Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our 20-lbs- er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge frames as well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it seems. He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away from Mom!) -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
Boy did I screw that up: You can usually get S/D from you vet, it is a prescriptin food. I meant, you can get A/D at most any vets, it is a prescription food. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D
Awww! you screwed up, sowhat makes you different from everyone else? join the group. dorlis Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: Boy did I screw that up: You can usually get S/D from you vet, it is a prescriptin food. I meant, you can get A/D at most any vets, it is a prescription food. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
