Hello David,
I would send you a file with my problem, but if you check some
of the emails that come in after, Mr.Lomax explains why the ERC would have
changed the component.
After I fixed that, the ERC hasn't changed the symbols in my schematic.
Very Kind Regards,
Bryan Bernesi
My apologies to the members of the list, and especially to Andrew Jenkins.
It appears that the trojan I picked up must have come from elsewhere. I have
tried reopening the schematic file in question and cannot repeat being
infected.
It must have been a coincidence that the trojan showed
Thanks for qualifying my experience level for me, where are you located so I
can turn my carpet your direction!
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From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Dennis Saputelli
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Lloyd N. Johnson wrote:
Message text written by Hamid
It is a bad idea to use an inside radius same as your router bit radius.
This
requires the router to come to a complete stop and then start moving at 90
degrees. There will invariably be some chatter and the router will cut
into the
hey, rookie isn't a pejorative, in sports they are the team's future
I did not intend to insult or demean you, sorry if it came off that way
besides, my main point as stated was that the board shop did not handle
this situation well
they should have advised you and/or fixed it properly, not
Geoff Harland wrote:
big snip
That is not the only grumble that I have about the CAM Manager server, and
it is not necessarily the biggest shortcoming associated with it. But what I
have written in this post is something to be kept in mind in the event that
the contents of one or more
Sorry for the reply, I need to show more self control in this matter.
You are 100% correct it is a rookie mistake!
I have already read one person that checked their design. Because of the
willingness of an old dog to admit this ROOKIE mistake! So if that person
saved some money and time I can
I was reminded again today of the old Tango complete route command. It was
assigned to the forward slash key and it would interrupt the current route
and reduce the display rat's nest connection line to track. It really
shined when it came to doing gridded design with round off-grid pads. You
Lloyd,
You might want to find the ANSI standard (do a Yahoo web search, etc.) for
reference designators. It should help.
John
-
John R. Lemburg,Sr. Hardware Engineer
Avistar Systems, Inc., Madison Building
15851 Dallas Parkway, Suite #600
At 11:14 PM 2/12/01 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:
In a hierarchical schematic, you need to connect the power to the child sheets
on the master sheet(s), just like you connect the signals.
This is true if normal net labels are used to establish power. However,
power ports and hidden pins establish
No problem with the rookie I was just a little less talerent becasue it
cost the company 25,000 and the guy that made the deceition didn't take the
blame. It hit me full force. I to was wondering why they didn't contact me.
They had made contact with a guy in another state! Oh well this was one
I have found that I can avoid the relocated overbars by ensuring
that PDFwriter is configured to embed all fonts, with no exclusions.
It makes the PDF a bit bigger, but at least I have a distributable
schematic!
On the subject of naming conventions, we have numerous CAD packages
here (IC design
Lloyd,
We try to use ANSI Y32.16 (www.ansi.org) whenever possible.
Steve Smith
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:25 PM
To: Multiple
My Co. decided to spring for some simulation software (thermo and signal
integrity), and I wanted to get the group's thought's.
1. What is the best
2. What works with Protel (this is not requirement but would be nice)
3. How much
4. Price/Performance
5. The ability for the software to give
At 12:24 PM 2/13/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Even the term Designator conventions smacks of oxymoron. I am trying to
create a company library database and SOP for design. I have many Engineers
with various cultural backgrounds, some of which use some pretty weird ID's
and symbols.
On 09:52 AM 2/15/01 -0800, Hamid A. Wasti said:
Andrew J Jenkins wrote:
I'd still like to know some more specifics regarding optimizing this new
rule. My 31's DO live a much shorter life than the 62's, on average,
and I'm
sure everyone else would ultimately benefit from the information
Being unwise in the ways of OrCad, my assumptions
may be wrong, but File/Import/*.PCB will import a PCB?
If you want to get a netlist, you should use
Design/Load Nets...
Does OrCad assign a .PCB extention to it's netlist. If
you are new to Protel, you should know Protel uses the
extention .NET
I have deleted a power plane from my design. It seems that SP6 is not taking
this off of the design. I think I remember this subject being discussed but
I was swamped at the time and it was a few weeks back.
Does anyone know how to get the plane off the design?
Micky Blain
PowerSmart Inc.
*
At 01:32 PM 2/13/01 -0600, Micky Blain wrote:
I have deleted a power plane from my design. It seems that SP6 is not taking
this off of the design. I think I remember this subject being discussed but
I was swamped at the time and it was a few weeks back.
Does anyone know how to get the plane off
My personal take on hidden pins is that they should never be used.
All our symbols have a separate power part (unless it's logical
for the power pins to be on the main symbol part), which needs to
be explicitly placed on the schematic sheet. We do this to avoid
automagical connection of power
Yes, I think it is the same as I had with the company - logo on the
schematic.
In the sheet ( or library part ) there is a link to the graphic file and not
the
graphic itself. Your collegue has probably not the same graphic in the same
path.
Georg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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before you can delete a power plane, you have to re-assign the plane to no
net.
If you don't do this first delete the plane, Protel will remove the plane
of the list temporary. When you get back to Layer Stack Manager, the power
plane will still be there (I hated that).
Phan Le
-Original
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:05:10 -0800, Andrew W. Riley III wrote:
snip...
Will W2k tolerate dual screen-setup with totally independed
screen-settings?
Yes. At home I use NVidia's GeForce2 MX (a dual-port w/TV-out) running a 20
Silicon Graphics @ 1152x864 and a 15 Magitronics @ 800x600,
Iris,
yes, i have seen this too.
It seems to be a bug, because the simulation results look ok.
Lets report it to Protel.
GMIN is one of the spice variables. Actually its the conductance (1/R) of
the resistors that spice places in parallel with any semiconductor p-n
junction during the simulation
we use a 50 mil track centered on the board outline, you can just clone
the board outline to the plane layers and use a global to thicken them
I think I recall hearing that 25 mils is a desirable amount for
clearance to board edge.
here's a question, what do you do with planes in the finger/
At 10:46 AM 2/13/01 -0800, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
on the other side I once had a shop put a board on hold for a week
because the fab print said 8.000 but they said the board Gerbers
measured 7.999
I pointed out that they have a 5 mil outside routing tolerance, but they
responded that they were
At 02:38 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Bryan Bernesi wrote:
Now, I fixed all my ports, net labels, RefDes, etc...
When I try to Update PCB I get the errors Net Already exists
What do I do?
Just to let you know my scenario, my PCB already has all the components
placed as I want them...
The only thing
Most important is an 'annotate components' before 'update pcb'
Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
David Cary wrote:
Dear Greg Olson,
I have been using Protel 99 for a little over a year now, and I've always used
the Design | Update PCB and Design | Update
Bryan Bernesi wrote:
I have 24 isolated -6V nets that I would like to pass on the power plane,
and 24 isolated GND that i would like to pass on the GND plane. my question
is, can I use the power plane as a regular internal plane? i.e. passing
traces on the plane layers?
I see two ways to
At 01:47 PM 2/13/01 -0800, Forum Administrator wrote:
There are many alternatives to attaching a file to a discussion group
post, but if you feel you really must, at least be considerate of your
fellow subscribers and keep attachments under 50K and ALWAYS compress
(zip) the file.
Let me put
At 01:47 PM 2/13/01 -0800, Forum Administrator wrote:
There are many alternatives to attaching a file to a discussion group
post, but if you feel you really must, at least be considerate of your
fellow subscribers and keep attachments under 50K and ALWAYS
compress (zip) the file.
Let me
I need to draw schematics in 4 different languages. The Bom must be
absolutely different from language to language. I can accept that the field
Description is the same for all of them.
I thoutgth the differente choices:
Using the Read Only fields but I already used almost all of them.
Generate
I tried to look at some of the archived postings
at http://angelfire.lycos.com/electronic/protelarchive
that Ian Wilson set up, but it doesn't seem to be
working. The thread date view lead to http:///.
Is this just temporary?
Steve Smith
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
Web Site:
I experienced this problem too. I think the work around is to install *all*
license keys on *all* machines. That is what I did here. It's worked out ok.
Personally, I do not like the broadcasting set-up at all, noting this
license protection technique cannot communicate over a router to our
Message text written by Hamid
It is a bad idea to use an inside radius same as your router bit radius.
This
requires the router to come to a complete stop and then start moving at 90
degrees. There will invariably be some chatter and the router will cut
into the
sides. It is better to make a
Interestingly,
Although the design rules now show the correct diagram for annular
ring (pad radius - hole radius) and the design rules interpret the rule
correctly; however, the board report still shows annular rings
calculated as pad diameter - hole diameter. (This is 99SE-SP5.)
This is
- Original Message -
From: Andrew J Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ProtelEDAusers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: having W2k installed, can I run...
According to the video card mfgs I've spoken with,
sometimes, for reasons unknown to me and at times that little or nothing
was changed we have seen an entire working board light up w/ DRCs
we then go thru the mysterious and aggravating cycle of:
clear the nets
learn the board (update prims)
load the nets
those steps are in various orders
This is exactly my opinion. Additional, schematics later printed on
paper and should be to understand. Often I've seen a netlabel on one
sheet and the wire ends somewhere. In one or more sheets you have to
search where it is also connected.
So, to understand such a schematic, you need the
Here I was getting ready to send a job off for photoplot and it entered my
head that I ought to practice what I preach and reload the net list. Much
to my surprise, I got 224 macros:
U3 has 112 pins
Nets report For try2layer
On 15-Feb-2001 at 19:25:12
Statistics
112 Redundant Nodes
did you empty the recycle bin before compress?
BTW, I finally turned off compress on exit, too slow to tolerate.
Dennis Saputelli
Mark HARRISON wrote:
Hi,
I noticed a Protel 99SE SP6 .ddb project had grown to 24 Mbytes and took a
long time to open.
No amount of clearing out the garbage,
Hello Burt,
I'm sorry to hear about your problems. I use Protel 99SE in conjunction
with our Lavenir software on a routine basis and to date, I have not
experienced any problems. Admittedly, I use our CAMMaster software and not
ViewMate, but the core engine for both products is similar. I run
Hi
We use IEEE 315A-1986 which replaced the ANSI standard. I co-wrote a
company standard based on this which includes standardised part
descriptions as well. You would be welcome to the file if you felt it
would be useful. It is a Word97 doc.
Regards,
Alan Gore.
Development Engineer.
OEM GPS
I don't see how this is so. If for example there is a typo on the port on a
single sheet, that connectivity still doesn't flow through whether the ports
are global or not. A good reason to *not* use global ports is it allows you
to use the same port name in more than one place, and also allows
All,
I just went to the ANSI site, and had no luck finding my way around. Does
anyone have some quick advise on how to navigate through this site
www.ansi.org to actually find the ANSI Y32.16-1975 standard? I typed Y32.16
on their search engine, and it came up with no result.
Many Thanks,
IEEE 315A was replaced by IEEE 315 (with 315A as a
supplement) and is available from Global Engineering
Documents www.global.ihs.com for $72 US dollars.
By the way, Alan, how is the chad in New Zealand? (sorry, I
could not resist)
Steve Smith
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
301
Is there a way (a .ini or other setting) to have e.g. Part Field 1
always be shown/not hidden? We use these fields for internal part
numbers, stuffing options and some other information and it would be
nice if Protel could show them by default rather than doing the
uncheck-hidden-fields,
Geoff Harland wrote:
And to expand a bit on that request, do you have a viewpoint on the merits
of using Gerber arc commands versus software arc commands, in the event
that the details of routing a PCB are provided in Gerber file format? (This
assumes that the PCB manufacturer can handle
I did and it won't go away! I have done a select all on that layer and
deleted everything. It won't go away.
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From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of David W. Gulley
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:28 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Hey DJ,
I've had similar problems before and eventually I gave up and re-setup all
our machines under the floating licence scenario.
Problems included if one machine was set up on floating license (default)
then it would poach the codes from any machine on the network which did not
have floating
Poor workaround: AFAIK you can import any types of documents into the ddb
file.
By importing your BMPs or TIFs into the database you ensure that your
colleague
gets all files. The only thing left to do for him is to export all graphic
files
to the project directory.
-Tom
e-mail: [EMAIL
Hi folks,
I have a neat board that for some magic reason will not route at all
anymore. I have test routed it a dozen times before and then used the
unroute tool and have started over. When I click on auto route-all, nothing
happens anymore after the route options screen comes up. What a
At 08:43 AM 2/13/01 -0600, Matt Pobursky wrote:
Again, my sincere apologies for the false alarm.
Actually, I am grateful, both for the warning and for the retraction.
Viruses are very serious business, and it is better to take the risk of
looking foolish than to wait until one is absolutely
Hi,
I noticed a Protel 99SE SP6 .ddb project had grown to 24 Mbytes and took a
long time to open.
No amount of clearing out the garbage, compacting the database on exit, or
running the repair tool would reduce the file size.
Eventually I started a new project database, open the old data base, and
Forgive/rtfm (rtfa?) me if this has been covered recently.
How do we check that each sheet symbol and its associated sheet have the
correct port names, other than a manual netlist check to ensure things
are connected correctly? It's pretty vital in a big hierarchical
I do a lot of simulation with large currents through MOSFET's and
particularly with reverse recovery issues there is a lot going on in a
small amount of time compared to the wavelength. When I get gmin
problems a crude way is just to increase the Points per cycle on the
Transient page. I
Forgive/rtfm (rtfa?) me if this has been covered recently.
How do we check that each sheet symbol and its associated sheet have the
correct port names, other than a manual netlist check to ensure things
are connected correctly? It's pretty vital in a big hierarchical
Just testing to see if techserv is up.
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Dennis,
can you be more specific in your learning the board? I think I
know what you mean but I am not exactly sure there is not some other process
that I don't know about. Do you mean generating a netlist from the existing
board connections? Could you elaborate on the exact steps to do
The message quoted below was intercepted during mid-post and stopped
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On 01:01 PM 2/13/01 -0800, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
At 08:43 AM 2/13/01 -0600, Matt Pobursky wrote:
Again, my sincere apologies for the false alarm.
Actually, I am grateful, both for the warning and for the retraction.
And I'm just grateful for the retraction! As you said...
Viruses are very
I can't help with your current problem, I'm sorry to say, but when you
finally get it up and running again, you might try CAMTASTIC gerber viewer,
we got a copy free with Protel and it seems to works well. It certainly
doesn't cause problems with Protel.
Hope it comes together for you.
TC
Viewmate , Camtastic and CAMCAD (from Router Solutions) all running fine on
a dual processor machine with Protel 3 and Protel99SE/SP6 . Not under win2k
though , still using NT4/sp6a.
Best Regards,
Matt Tudor , MSEE
Elmar Technologies
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~mariusrf
At 02:43 PM 2/16/01 +, you wrote:
I can't help with your current problem, I'm sorry to say, but when you
finally get it up and running again, you might try CAMTASTIC gerber viewer,
snip
TC
I already had CAMTASTIC, but since the board house suggested that using the
same viewer they do would
For some reason I get all posts except my own, and I receive replies to
my posts so somebody out there gets them. Why don't I?
Drew
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I calculate ( pad-size - hole size )/2 = annular ring
perhaps kangaroos do it with new math. :-)
Georg
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Von: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im
Auftrag von Micky Blain
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2001 17:56
An: Multiple
At 08:13 AM 2/13/01 -0800, Peter Bennett wrote:
And I just discovered a problem with Protel 99SE/SP5 under Win2000 that
doesn't seem to occur under Win98. With Win2000, Protel crashed when
trying to unhide component comments on a PCB, or when copying that PC to
a new one - both operations seem
Gordon,
My favorite, I'm sure, is when I first started with 99SE, I accidentally
placed a circle or arc segment on a routing layer when I was marking some
screw holes. That kills it for sure. It tied me up for days. Look for an
arc somewhere...
Tim Hutcheson
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Hi all,
Even the term Designator conventions smacks of oxymoron. I am trying to
create a company library database and SOP for design. I have many Engineers
with various cultural backgrounds, some of which use some pretty weird ID's
and symbols. Before I institute my 10 commandments, I would love
Hello Steve,
Thank you for the info, but I guess I didn't phrase my question properly.
I have 24 isolated -6V nets that I would like to pass on the power plane,
and 24 isolated GND that i would like to pass on the GND plane. my question
is, can I use the power plane as a regular internal
There is some debit going on at this company about the way Protel calculate
Annular Ring. They are using dia-hole and dia of pad to calculate the
number. I am being told that is not right.
I have the Annular ring design rules set to 8mil in Protel and the debit is
that is a 4 mil annular ring.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 5:28 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
Subject: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Multiple License Message
For some reason, my machine is going out to machine B and finding
--- Peter Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robi
I can't run my eprom programmer (DOS program - uses
parallel port) under
Win2000.
Of course it doesn't work, Win 2k is a protected
operating system, only authorised programs can access
the hardware.. and OLD dos programs don't know how to
Bryan Bernesi wrote:
I am an ex-OrCad user who ran into the same problem in Protel.
When transfering the netlist from SCH to PCB (using Update PCB);
following the excellent notes that Colby shared with us, I came across
an error that used to drive me nuts in OrCad. The pins on any diode
At 03:53 PM 17/02/01 -0600, you wrote:
Since I had SP5 installed with the Win98SE, I cannot re-install SP5 under
Win2K, the install program says it's already installed. So I went back to
Win98SE and uninstalled SP5. Back to Win2K and installed SP5, then Protel99SE
runs fine in Win2K.
The
Brad,
I'd agree with that, except that the more limited driver that MSoft
provides seems to work find. Also, in this case, I was able to use 99SE
with no printer drivers installed (under Win2K). Of course it could still
be a Protel issue, since it only seemed to happen on the Schematic
Mr. Lomax,
I, for one am very grateful you pushed to have the mechanical layers
available. I have used at least one for most projects I have done with
99SE.
For example, it is very helpful to have an outline drawing of a fiddly
little box -into which a small card is to fit - available with
Hello Colby,
Thank you for passing along all that information. That should clear most of
the problems that I've been having.
Have a great day!
:)
Bryan Bernesi
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Just a hole
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:26:47
The TLC271 has programmable bias setting capability. If you do not need this
feature for simulation take the LMC6081 from National, which is close to the
Texas OP. The model is supplied by protel with the standard simulation
models for OPAMPS, to be found in the ..\Design Explorer 99
We've noticed over the past week or so, that intermittently some mail has
not been getting through to our server. Our ISP has confirmed they've been
having problems with their servers. We've been assured that the mail has
not been lost, only re-queued for later delivery.
It appears the
Hi,
After spending a fair amount of time tracking the problem down I finally
traced it to some kind of interaction with an Epson Stylus Color 800
printer driver for Win2K. I want to add that Lavier was VERY helpful in
working on trying to track this problem down.
The printer/driver had been
I have found the origine of my problem. it's because i have select Active
Project and not active sheet when i do ERC.
After that, I have synchronise and that works fine.
But strangely, when i try to create net from this same SCH my new compoments
don't always appear in the netlist.
I have ever
Hi Bryan,
Sorry I didn't get back to you but I was on
a 4 day weekend vacation. I have to agree with
David Gulley's reply:
I see two ways to go:
1) use a regular internal layer for the 24 isolated nets and then use
fills and/or polygons for any required plane areas.
2) draw 24 split planes
We are hand soldering the prototypes and having a hard time heating all the
copper attached to the GND vias. The reliefs on the polygon fill might make
it a little easier to solder.
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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:06
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