RE: [Zen] Satanic Zen?

2007-01-03 Thread Anthony Wu
Yes, the Satan you worship is your self. The better way is to have others worship you. Either case, you cannot get rid of suffering, which is the objective of Zen. Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com

RE: [Zen] Satanic Zen?

2007-01-07 Thread Anthony Wu
PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Wu wrote: Yes, the Satan you worship is your self. The better way is to have others worship you. Either case, you cannot get rid of suffering, which is the objective of Zen. Anthony, I agree. I also believe the (God, Buddha, Krishna, Ganeesh

Re: [Zen] Wu-Wu Zen

2007-01-08 Thread Anthony Wu
] Wu-Wu Zen From: Anthony Wu You are talking about the essence of zen. But don't wash your mouth. In modern world, you cannot just talk about talking nothing. That sounds like Wu-Wu Zen to me. Roly Poly Man http://www.ironman6 3.blogspot. com/ Send instant messages to your online friends http

RE: [Zen] Principle

2007-01-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Bill, Can I add a line: When sexually hungry, I make love? What is the position of sex in zen or insight? Anthony Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mayka wrote: Hi Bill! Is that right that the Tao says my short poem?. Interesting!. However.

Re: [Zen] Stimulation

2007-04-03 Thread Anthony Wu
The story of Sakyamuni transmitting wisdom without words to Kasyapa was cooked up by somebody who wanted to fool kindhearted Buddhists and to divert them to a new form of practice. After a thousand years, the new form was successful, although it was then still another new form beyond

Re: [Zen] The Secret of Zen...

2007-04-05 Thread Anthony Wu
Are you a bullo or an ox? Anthony Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MU! …Bill! - Real people. Real questions. Real answers. Share what you know.

Re: [Zen] Why Meditate?

2008-09-28 Thread Anthony Wu
You are rid of dirty thoughts when you meditate. That is one of the good reasons.   Regards, Anthony --- On Sat, 27/9/08, Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Why Meditate? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 27 September, 2008, 12:51 AM

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Margie,   Are you saying your satori was also 'out of the blue'?? You must be very lucky, or you worked hard in your previous lives. Another lady spent 12 years in a cave in the mountains, still not awakened. Do you want to know who she is? Or you may already know.   Regards, Anthony --- On

Re: [Zen] My Way Is Better!

2008-09-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Chris,   I agree with you. If one can realize zen by a short cut, it may need to be a genius, or he/she already did a lot in previous lives. However, it will still need more work to progress further. I believe it makes sense that way. If the 'cause and effect' is right, there is no such thing

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-09-30 Thread Anthony Wu
years in a cave, I would like to hear the story. Margie (roloro1557) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margie,   Are you saying your satori was also 'out of the blue'?? You must be very lucky, or you worked hard in your previous lives. Another lady spent 12 years

Re: [Zen] Amorality Zen

2008-10-01 Thread Anthony Wu
Al,   I support you. Though sometimes I personally have a dirty thought of 'anything goes', when I think of hurting others, there is a deterrant there. This world needs more order and morality is necessary. On the other hand, nowadays morality has much less restrictions than in history. It

Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen

2008-10-03 Thread Anthony Wu
That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules.. Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can kill, burn, steal, rape... No retrubution, no karma. What is the purpose of working hard on zen or others? Please enlighten me.   Regards, Anthony --- On Sat, 4/10/08,

RE: [Zen] Aging and Zen

2008-10-04 Thread Anthony Wu
teacher. Good luck on your practice...Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return

RE: [Zen] Aging and Zen

2008-10-04 Thread Anthony Wu
PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules.. Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Margie,   This is a very moving story. I hope things will always work out like that. But what if they don't? Please note I am not contradicting you. Please don't be offended. My question is what if the 'bad' student keeps stealing with no repentence. Did you read Mark Twain about a doctor

Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
Dear both,   Are good people always good? What makes them good? Their genes? Or their karma, if you still believe it?   Regards, Anthony --- On Sun, 5/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

[Zen] Come back to Aging and Zen

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
I would like to come back to Al's profound question. The thread he started is getting long and branching out. Can you simply say 'this is it?' How do you react to pain? A famous zen master Daisetsu Suzuki went through a lot of suffering in his last days. I am scared to think about that. If he

Re: [Zen] Re: Come back to Aging and Zen

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
--- On Sun, 5/10/08, Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Come back to Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 9:38 PM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ' How do you react

Re: [Zen] Come back to Aging and Zen

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
this help? My personal experience is, if we continue to meditate, we will eventually worry less, ask less questions and witness the fact that the present moment is the only thing real. JM Anthony Wu wrote: I would like to come back to Al's profound question. The thread he started is getting long

Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 1:16 AM Anthony Wu I agree you don't have to be religious to be ethical. I know many atheist who are good people. But I also know many who are bad. Especially when they have power, which they use in a wrong way. What stops you from doing something 'bad

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 6:33 AM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Margie, This is a very moving story. I hope things will always work ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ out like that. But what if they don't

Re: [Zen] Come back to Aging and Zen

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: Hi Edgar,   I can only appreciate and agree. As a zen master says, an imaginery pain is more painful than a real one. But just in case, can we do something, less than becoming a Buddha, to avoid suffering after death? Or should we just ignore

Re: [Zen] Re: Come back to Aging and Zen

2008-10-05 Thread Anthony Wu
: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 6:35 AM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the question: What comes after the process of death? You cannot say there will be nothing, or just like sleep without a dream. I would thank God for that. But nde indicates

RE: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
cushion works best?'. I do best at responding to those. Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability Hi Margie, This is a very

Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen

2008-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Chris,   I am one of them.   Regards, Anthony --- On Mon, 6/10/08, cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 11:25 AM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Karin tortillera77@ ...

RE: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Correction:   Anthony considers washing dishes too minor to do or think about, so he instructs his student to do it, and goes upstairs to meditate on something he does not want to disclose.   Regards, Anthony --- On Mon, 6/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL

Re: [Zen] Blind buddhist

2008-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Jody,   Edgar will invent one more advanced than you expect: the car does not run on the highway, it 'leaps' from one quantum level to another, so that you reach your destination immediately, or even earlier than when you start.   Regards, Anthony --- On Tue, 7/10/08, Jody W. Ianuzzi [EMAIL

RE: [Zen] Re: --------@

2008-10-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I did not realize you are in Thailand! How do you reconcile with Theravada there?   Regards, Anthony --- On Tue, 7/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: @ To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 7

Re: [Zen] oops - forgot blog

2008-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
Margie,   It makes good sense. When I worked in Thailand 18 years ago, my Thai vocabulary was just enough for bargaining in a fish market. Now it is much smaller. But I still recognize the word 'puying' next to 'woman', so I knew it is translation from the beginning.   Regards, Anthony --- On

[Zen] In Heaven and on Earth

2008-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
? Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: @ Bill, I did not realize you are in Thailand! How do you reconcile with Theravada there? Regards

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-07 Thread Anthony Wu
, 2008, 2:22 AM Anthony, You are an atheist who is an evil ego-maniac? Sincerely, Chris --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris,   I am one of them.   Regards, Anthony --- On Mon, 6/10/08, cid830 summitjags@ ... wrote: From: cid830 summitjags

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
OK, fine. I am not religious, especially not following organized religion. On the other hand, I am a devoted zen practisioner. So lets have a good time killing, burning, stealing, lying, raping...   Regards, Anthony --- On Wed, 8/10/08, Mac A. Roni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mac A. Roni

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Margie,   Do you want to find the world in turmoil? Show me how to live in the world in peace without any kind of morality.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To:

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
then people start arguing about which morality should be the rule. Wars have been fought over this, lots of them. I really think it's an important question for you. How does morality contribute to peace? Margie (roloro1557) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
, then you're safe. But if that is something you've just heard with no direct experience or realization of the meaning within yourself...Then you might be better dropping. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mayka,   By morality I mean in general whatever can

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Margie,   Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and avoid turmoil'.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date:

RE: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-08 Thread Anthony Wu
, Anthony, if you really feel that way, it's not the world that's in turmoil. It's you. Just sit. That's where you'll find peace..Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
left is to create a peaceful place within yourself. There are many ways to do that, zazen, other forms of meditation, certain therapies, etc. I don't think anyone can find peace in the world without finding it within themselves first. Margie (roloro1557) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
know? Margie (roloro1557) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, Like I said, you have something deeper. Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: Anthony, Anthony, if you really feel that way, it's

Re: [Zen] Come back to Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
I agree the question of consciousness surving the body or not is irrelevant to zen. So is zen master Huineng's temporary hunting job. I just challene Edgar to prove me wrong in regard to the idea.   regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: roloro1557

Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
esoteric than the Theravada tradition, which rather surprised me. Mike. - Original Message From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 7:03:46 Subject: Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth Hi Mike,   I believe Buddha's

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
in the world without finding it within themselves first. Margie (roloro1557) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Margie,   Then change my term from morality to peaceality or whatever that can ensure peace. I am also opposed to manmade standards of morality, which

Re: [Zen] Come back to Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
of the passage of time is temporarily shut off. I accept your challenge to prove there is not personal consciousness after death, but you have to wait until after you die to get my proof! :-) Edgar On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: I agree the question

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
to wipe the dust from! Edgar On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] org wrote: Anthony, I am as deep as a mirror...Bill! From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:53 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
a look. Edgar On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: Edgar and Margie,   I am fine at this moment, not really suffering a lot. Meanwhile I am scared by stories of suffering. If you think the best way is not to think about suffering, just 'think' about the present, I can say

Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen

2008-10-09 Thread Anthony Wu
now. Margie (roloro1557) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edgar and Margie, I am fine at this moment, not really suffering a lot. Meanwhile I am scared by stories of suffering. If you think the best way is not to think about suffering, just 'think' about

Re: [Zen] Alaya - 8th consciousness beyond

2008-10-10 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi JM,   You brought this up in a wrong place. I would answer you on Bill's behalf, there is no 8th consciousness, no alaya, no light consciousness. Only muu.   Bill, correct me if I am wrong.   Regards, Anthony --- On Sat, 11/10/08, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From:

Re: [Zen] consciousness

2008-10-11 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Edgar,   I keep an open mind. In your view, does consciousness just disappear, when we die?   You seemed to say you had an OBE in Japan. How do you explain that based on science.   Regards, Anthony --- On Sun, 12/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zen] consciousness

2008-10-11 Thread Anthony Wu
On Oct 11, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: Hi Edgar,   I keep an open mind. In your view, does consciousness just disappear, when we die?   You seemed to say you had an OBE in Japan. How do you explain that based on science.   Regards, Anthony --- On Sun, 12/10/08, Edgar Owen

Re: [Zen] Re: Dog Zen

2008-10-14 Thread Anthony Wu
Peasants own dogs not as pets, but as working animals to guard the houses and herd sheep. They don't have such a luxury as a pet, except in the USA. Now I heard they can get money from the government by not tilling their field. A real heaven.   Regards, Anthony --- On Tue, 14/10/08, Mac A.

[Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-14 Thread Anthony Wu
experience death since death is the end of experience. Hope that helps, Edgar On Oct 11, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: Edgar,   Thank you.   You seem to say that the world is nothing but universal consciousness. Material objects and all kinds of living beings are just manifestations (contents

RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-14 Thread Anthony Wu
Dear Digression,   That is what I expected to be your answer: there is no suffering to save. How about starving African people, those who go through tortures, political oppression, rape victims, bereaved family, etc etc? Do we just stand by to laugh?   I expect your answer to be: teach those

Re: [Zen] Causality, perception, reality, consciousness, etc, etc

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
Margie,   There is a flaw in the story. The Buddhist monk should read Jainist monk. Stepping on a frog unwittingly is not considered as breaking a buddhist precept, But in Jain, it does.   You see, Buddhism is more liberal.   Regards, Anthony --- On Wed, 15/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Zen] Causality, perception, reality, consciousness, etc, etc

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Your extension can be included in the zen literature.   Regards, Anthony --- On Wed, 15/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Zen] Causality, perception, reality, consciousness, etc, etc To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality Hi Bill, It makes sense to start to alleviate my suffering by getting rid of my attachments. I will treat this seriously. On the other hand

Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
. As Buddha said, be your own guiding lamp. Mike. - Original Message From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 18:55:10 Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality Hi Mike,   I am waiting to be convinced

RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
Hi Bill,   It makes sense to start to alleviate my suffering by getting rid of my attachments. I will treat this seriously.   On the other hand, I am not going to join a political group. You must have noticed in the country you live, Chamlong is a leader of the opposition. I don't understand

RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality Hi Mike, I am waiting to be convinced that without morality we can still live in peace. Regards, Anthony --- On Wed, 15/10/08, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.uk wrote

Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008, 11:38 AM Hi Anthony, You argue so strongly about morality, and the perceived lack of it in Zen, so can you tell us - what exactly are you doing about the issues you mentioned below? Mike. - Original Message From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg

Re: [Zen] Re: Dog Zen

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
, Anthony --- On Thu, 16/10/08, Karin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Karin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Dog Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 3:34 AM Anthony Wu Peasants own dogs not as pets, but as working animals to guard the houses and herd sheep

Re: [Zen] Causality, perception, reality, consciousness, etc, etc

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
, perception, reality, consciousness, etc, etc To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 3:36 AM Anthony Wu There is a flaw in the story. The Buddhist monk should read Jainist monk. Stepping on a frog unwittingly is not considered as breaking a buddhist precept Get your

Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
] Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 6:37 AM Hi Anthony. What can't you do by yourself? Mike. - Original Message From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Wednesday, 15

Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 7:27 AM Hi Anthony, Ok, I'm waiting. When are you going to put it in simple bloody English? Mike - Original Message From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 7:59:00 Subject: Re: [Zen

Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality

2008-10-15 Thread Anthony Wu
subjectively. In other words, only by YOU! If you feel you need to go to Africa - go. If you feel you can be an example to others by transforming your lifestyle - don't go. But be led by your own innate wisdom - not by others. Mike. - Original Message From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Zen] Re: buddhism

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Wu
One of Bill's words makes a lot of sense to me: zen predates Buddhism. But I would rather that they don't separate. OK, I don't want to get back to those 'delusional' discussions about morality. It is irrelevant here.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 23/10/08, cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters?

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Wu
is a zen way? I think humour is a great teaching tool and IMHO Zen stands out from all other religions regarding the use of humour. Besides, does anyone here seriously still believe 'Jackson Masters' is a black man?? Mike. - Original Message From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg

Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters?

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   Before I see Bill's reply, I would say, 'zen - like magic, difies logics'.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 23/10/08, Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 5:45 PM

Re: [Zen] hi

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Wu
Edgar,   I share your mind. With Suzuki, you don't have to take precautions. But beware of Bill: prepare to 'take a beating' literally.   Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 23/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] hi To:

Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters?

2008-10-24 Thread Anthony Wu
? Muzakashi sugi ne! Mike (that had nothing to do with zen whatsoever, but I thought I'd just air my ego for a spell). - Original Message From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 22:22:28 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen

Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters?

2008-10-26 Thread Anthony Wu
That is why I said, instead of Japanese, we are better off learning Thai (which has a lot of imported Indian words) or Pali (I hope it contains not so much adulterations into the original Buddha language).   Regards, Anthony --- On Sun, 26/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar

Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters?

2008-10-26 Thread Anthony Wu
What passport does he hold?   BNO (British Nationality Overseas)?   --- On Sun, 26/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 26 October, 2008, 10:39 PM Yea, he gets

Re: [Zen] thoughtful story

2008-10-28 Thread Anthony Wu
Mike,   Your argument is very zen. I agree this approach will make us happy all our life. It will see us through until our last days. Remember the famous zen master Daisetsu Suzuki. Many said he  was enlightened. But he went through a lot of pain during his last days of dying. Furthermore, we

Re: [Zen] Loserville

2008-10-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Thank you. --- On Thu, 30/10/08, Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Loserville To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 30 October, 2008, 9:34 AM Anthony Wu What is 'loserville' ? Loserville is similar to Queer Street, Bottom

Re: [Zen] Loserville

2008-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
Charlie,   What is 'dork, geek...'. Continue your education.   Regards, Chinaman --- On Fri, 31/10/08, Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Loserville To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 31 October, 2008, 10:50 AM Anthony Wu Thank you

Re: [Zen] Loserville

2008-10-31 Thread Anthony Wu
--- On Fri, 31/10/08, Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Loserville To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 31 October, 2008, 9:28 PM 4) Why would the world have been a better place if Adam And Eve had been Chinese? Because they would

Re: [Zen] Loserville

2008-11-02 Thread Anthony Wu
No, it is a real colloquial word for gay or lesbian. --- On Sun, 2/11/08, Mac A. Roni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mac A. Roni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Loserville To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 9:49 AM Anthony Wu 14)What do you call a Chinese

Re: [Zen] New poll for Zen_Forum

2008-11-03 Thread Anthony Wu
Can I vote Libertine?   Anthony --- On Sun, 2/11/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] New poll for Zen_Forum To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 7:27 PM I used to vote Libertarian, but Bob Barr is a hostile

Re: [Zen] Is SATORI just a fairy tale?

2008-11-03 Thread Anthony Wu
Materialists/nihilists should be welcome to this forum. The arguments have been going on thousands of years. What is 'pure zen's' answer to this question?   Regards, Anthony --- On Mon, 3/11/08, zatoichi63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: zatoichi63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Is SATORI just

Re: [Zen] Re: Is SATORI just a fairy tale?

2008-11-03 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Is it worth all the dedication just to have those 'fantasies'?   If so, espresso is no fun. Remy Martin is better.   Regards, Anthony --- On Mon, 3/11/08, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] Re: Is SATORI just a fairy tale? To:

RE: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-04 Thread Anthony Wu
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Zen] Question? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 10:16 AM Bill, This is what I am trying to learn from you (don't say there is nothing to

Re: [Zen] Is SATORI just a fairy tale?

2008-11-04 Thread Anthony Wu
Diabolical Dracula,   Are you aware it is a sin just to ask the questions you do?   The answer can only be known by God, Allah, Buddha or something like that, not by human beings.   Chinaman --- On Tue, 4/11/08, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Is

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-04 Thread Anthony Wu
Edgar and Mayka,   Please be reminded that the question whether the mind is the same as or different from the body is one not worth answering, according to Buddha.   Regards, Anthony --- On Tue, 4/11/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen]

RE: [Zen] Re: Is SATORI just a fairy tale?

2008-11-04 Thread Anthony Wu
Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 8:46 AM Anthony, Satori is an illusion. There is nothing that has to be done, nothing to be attained. Dedication is always worthwhile. Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, November

RE: [Zen] Re: Is SATORI just a fairy tale?

2008-11-04 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   I think we are getting closer there.   So you suggest 'dedication for dedication's sake'?   We should practice zen without any goal. Wouldn't it be better to drink Remy Martin? Which way is happier?   Regards, Anthony --- On Tue, 4/11/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From:

Re: [Zen] Question?

2008-11-04 Thread Anthony Wu
@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:21 PM Anthony; The Buddha also said: Do not believe in anything I say but first experience it by yourself. Mayka --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edgar and Mayka,   Please be reminded that the question

Re: [Zen] Old People Zen

2008-11-07 Thread Anthony Wu
A good answer: there was a movie called Logan's Run, where a society has a law that shoots anyone over 30 years old with a laser gun. So the city has ended up with all young people and lives happily, until inevitably they are 30.   Anthony --- On Thu, 6/11/08, Camila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Zen] Old People Zen

2008-11-09 Thread Anthony Wu
Note: this is not MY wisdom. It is that of the movie producer. --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Old People Zen To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 9:57 PM Anthony Wu A good answer

Re: [Zen] Re: Where's Bill?

2008-11-09 Thread Anthony Wu
I join the condolences and the best wishes. Hope to see you soon.   Regards, Anthony --- On Sun, 9/11/08, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Where's Bill? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 1:31 AM Hi

Re: [Zen] GROUPLY WILL BE BANNED

2008-11-14 Thread Anthony Wu
Yours is a good idea and I don't want to get spammed either. But how do you 'ban' membership? You are not the owner of the site, are you? --- On Fri, 14/11/08, fitness4u2163 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: fitness4u2163 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] GROUPLY WILL BE BANNED To:

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-24 Thread Anthony Wu
all the exploited and suffering and poor in line in this life to accept their condition. As Marx said, religion is the opiate of the people. That includes both karma and Christian heaven. Edgar On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: Hi,   Since everybody is lurking

Re: [Zen] Re: Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-24 Thread Anthony Wu
, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,   Since everybody is lurking waiting to be excited. Here is a multiple choice to think about. The samurai code quoted by Edgar is a perfect example of the 'present' moment. How about the past and the future? What is the position of karma in zen?   A.Â

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-26 Thread Anthony Wu
in this life to accept their condition. As Marx  said, religion is the opiate of the people. That includes both karma  and Christian heaven. Edgar On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: Hi, Since everybody is lurking waiting to be excited. Here

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Anthony Wu
and suffering and poor in line in this life to accept their condition. As Marx said, religion is the opiate of the people. That includes both karma and Christian heaven. Edgar On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: Hi, Since

Re: [Zen] To The Moderator in the Zen_Forum Group

2008-11-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   I believe Bill Smart is the moderator. I don't know if there is an 'administrator'. Maybe it is also Bill. Please confirm.   Anthony --- On Sun, 30/11/08, Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zen] To The Moderator in the Zen_Forum Group To:

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Edgar,   What is your belief? Do past lives exist? Or regression is just a hypnotic technique, so the subject can have wild dreams?   Anthony   Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/sg/

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Don't lurk.   How do you know your 'self' is 'annihilated' or somehow disappear, so that karma will no longer work?   Does that mean nihilism? Or nirvana?   Regards, Anthony --- On Mon, 1/12/08, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen]

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-02 Thread Anthony Wu
Edgar,   Both northern and southern Chan went to Japan. The sudden awakening school is represented by Rinzai (Linji) sect, and the gradual way, by Soto (Caodong). They are both popular in the modern land of the rising sun (and yen).   Regards, Anthony --- On Tue, 2/12/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-02 Thread Anthony Wu
Very good representation. A more scaring way is that Rinzai is like pushing somebody into a bottomless abyss. Anybody has the courage to be pushed that way?   Anthony --- On Tue, 2/12/08, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zen] Position of Karma

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-03 Thread Anthony Wu
Jody,   Buddhist faith, prayer and blessings have the same meaning as with Christian, except that they are directed or concerned with Buddha, dharma and sangha. For instance, a Buddist prayer is directed to Amitabha, Sakyamuni, or a wrathful deity in the case of Tibetan Buddhism. Mind you, Bill

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-12-03 Thread Anthony Wu
, death and the universe...etc, etc... Mayka --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jody,   Buddhist faith, prayer and blessings have the same meaning as with Christian, except that they are directed or concerned with Buddha, dharma and sangha. For instance

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