PROTECTED] wrote:
Anthony Wu wrote:
Yes, the Satan you worship is your self. The better way is to have
others worship you. Either case, you cannot get rid of suffering, which is the
objective of Zen.
Anthony, I agree. I also believe the (God, Buddha, Krishna, Ganeesh
] Wu-Wu Zen
From: Anthony Wu You are talking about the essence of zen. But don't
wash your mouth. In modern world, you cannot just talk about talking
nothing.
That sounds like Wu-Wu Zen to me.
Roly Poly Man
http://www.ironman6 3.blogspot. com/
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The story of Sakyamuni transmitting wisdom without words to Kasyapa was cooked
up by somebody who wanted to fool kindhearted Buddhists and to divert them to a
new form of practice. After a thousand years, the new form was successful,
although it was then still another new form beyond
Are you a bullo or an ox?
Anthony
Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MU!
Bill!
-
Real people. Real questions. Real answers. Share what you know.
You are rid of dirty thoughts when you meditate. That is one of the good
reasons.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Sat, 27/9/08, Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Why Meditate?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 27 September, 2008, 12:51 AM
Margie,
Are you saying your satori was also 'out of the blue'?? You must be very lucky,
or you worked hard in your previous lives. Another lady spent 12 years in a
cave in the mountains, still not awakened. Do you want to know who she is? Or
you may already know.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On
Chris,
I agree with you. If one can realize zen by a short cut, it may need to be a
genius, or he/she already did a lot in previous lives. However, it will still
need more work to progress further. I believe it makes sense that way. If the
'cause and effect' is right, there is no such thing
years in a cave, I would
like to hear the story.
Margie (roloro1557)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Margie,
Are you saying your satori was also 'out of the blue'?? You must be
very lucky, or you worked hard in your previous lives. Another lady
spent 12 years
Al,
I support you. Though sometimes I personally have a dirty thought of 'anything
goes', when I think of hurting others, there is a deterrant there. This world
needs more order and morality is necessary. On the other hand, nowadays
morality has much less restrictions than in history. It
That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules..
Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can kill, burn, steal, rape... No
retrubution, no karma. What is the purpose of working hard on zen or others?
Please enlighten me.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Sat, 4/10/08,
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Anthony Wu
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen
That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules..
Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can
--- On Sun, 5/10/08, Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Come back to Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 9:38 PM
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
' How do you react
@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 1:16 AM
Anthony Wu I agree you don't have to be religious to be ethical. I
know many atheist who are good people. But I also know many who are
bad. Especially when they have power, which they use in a wrong way.
What stops you from doing something 'bad
: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 6:33 AM
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Margie,
This is a very moving story. I hope things will always work
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^^
out like that. But what if they don't
cushion works best?'. I do best at
responding to those.
Bill!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Accountability
Hi Margie,
This is a very
Chris,
I am one of them.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Mon, 6/10/08, cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 11:25 AM
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Karin tortillera77@ ...
Correction:
Anthony considers washing dishes too minor to do or think about, so he
instructs his student to do it, and goes upstairs to meditate on something he
does not want to disclose.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Mon, 6/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL
Jody,
Edgar will invent one more advanced than you expect: the car does not run on
the highway, it 'leaps' from one quantum level to another, so that you reach
your destination immediately, or even earlier than when you start.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Tue, 7/10/08, Jody W. Ianuzzi [EMAIL
Bill,
I did not realize you are in Thailand! How do you reconcile with Theravada
there?
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Tue, 7/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: @
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 7
Margie,
It makes good sense. When I worked in Thailand 18 years ago, my Thai vocabulary
was just enough for bargaining in a fish market. Now it is much smaller. But I
still recognize the word 'puying' next to 'woman', so I knew it is translation
from the beginning.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On
?
Bill!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: @
Bill,
I did not realize you are in Thailand! How do you reconcile with Theravada
there?
Regards
, 2008, 2:22 AM
Anthony,
You are an atheist who is an evil ego-maniac?
Sincerely,
Chris
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris,
Â
I am one of them.
Â
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Mon, 6/10/08, cid830 summitjags@ ... wrote:
From: cid830 summitjags
OK, fine. I am not religious, especially not following organized religion. On
the other hand, I am a devoted zen practisioner. So lets have a good time
killing, burning, stealing, lying, raping...
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Wed, 8/10/08, Mac A. Roni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mac A. Roni
Hi Margie,
Do you want to find the world in turmoil? Show me how to live in the world in
peace without any kind of morality.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To:
then people
start arguing about which morality should be the rule. Wars have
been fought over this, lots of them.
I really think it's an important question for you. How does morality
contribute to peace?
Margie (roloro1557)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
,
then you're safe. But if that is something you've just heard with no
direct experience or realization of the meaning within
yourself...Then you might be better dropping.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mayka,
Â
By morality I mean in general whatever can
Hi Margie,
Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and
avoid turmoil'.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date:
,
Anthony, if you really feel that way, it's not the world that's in turmoil.
It's you.
Just sit. That's where you'll find peace..Bill!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
left is to create a peaceful place within yourself.
There are many ways to do that, zazen, other forms of meditation,
certain therapies, etc. I don't think anyone can find peace in the
world without finding it within themselves first.
Margie (roloro1557)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu
know?
Margie (roloro1557)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
Like I said, you have something deeper.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote:
Anthony,
Anthony, if you really feel that way, it's
I agree the question of consciousness surving the body or not is irrelevant to
zen. So is zen master Huineng's temporary hunting job. I just challene Edgar to
prove me wrong in regard to the idea.
regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: roloro1557
esoteric than the Theravada tradition, which rather surprised me. Mike.
- Original Message
From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 7:03:46
Subject: Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth
Hi Mike,
I believe Buddha's
in the
world without finding it within themselves first.
Margie (roloro1557)
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Margie,
Then change my term from morality to peaceality or whatever that can
ensure peace. I am also opposed to manmade standards of morality,
which
of the passage of time is temporarily shut off.
I accept your challenge to prove there is not personal consciousness after
death, but you have to wait until after you die to get my proof!
:-)
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
I agree the question
to wipe the dust from!
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] org wrote:
Anthony,
I am as deep as a mirror...Bill!
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:53 PM
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED
a look.
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
Edgar and Margie,
I am fine at this moment, not really suffering a lot. Meanwhile I am scared by
stories of suffering. If you think the best way is not to think about
suffering, just 'think' about the present, I can say
now.
Margie (roloro1557)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edgar and Margie,
I am fine at this moment, not really suffering a lot. Meanwhile I am
scared by stories of suffering. If you think the best way is not to
think about suffering, just 'think' about
Hi JM,
You brought this up in a wrong place. I would answer you on Bill's behalf,
there is no 8th consciousness, no alaya, no light consciousness. Only muu.
Bill, correct me if I am wrong.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Sat, 11/10/08, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From:
Hi Edgar,
I keep an open mind. In your view, does consciousness just disappear, when we
die?
You seemed to say you had an OBE in Japan. How do you explain that based on
science.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Sun, 12/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Oct 11, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
Hi Edgar,
I keep an open mind. In your view, does consciousness just disappear, when we
die?
You seemed to say you had an OBE in Japan. How do you explain that based on
science.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Sun, 12/10/08, Edgar Owen
Peasants own dogs not as pets, but as working animals to guard the houses and
herd sheep. They don't have such a luxury as a pet, except in the USA. Now I
heard they can get money from the government by not tilling their field. A real
heaven.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Tue, 14/10/08, Mac A.
Dear Digression,
That is what I expected to be your answer: there is no suffering to save. How
about starving African people, those who go through tortures, political
oppression, rape victims, bereaved family, etc etc? Do we just stand by to
laugh?
I expect your answer to be: teach those
Bill,
Your extension can be included in the zen literature.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Wed, 15/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Zen] Causality, perception, reality, consciousness, etc, etc
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
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Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Hi Bill,
It makes sense to start to alleviate my suffering by getting rid of my
attachments. I will treat this seriously.
On the other hand
Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Hi Mike,
I am waiting to be convinced that without morality we can still live in peace.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Wed, 15/10/08, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.uk wrote
: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008, 11:38 AM
Hi Anthony,
You argue so strongly about morality, and the perceived lack of it in Zen,
so can you tell us - what exactly are you doing about the issues you mentioned
below?
Mike.
- Original Message
From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg
,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 16/10/08, Karin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Karin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Dog Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 3:34 AM
Anthony Wu Peasants own dogs not as pets, but as working animals to
guard the houses and herd sheep
, perception, reality, consciousness, etc, etc
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 3:36 AM
Anthony Wu There is a flaw in the story. The Buddhist monk should
read Jainist monk. Stepping on a frog unwittingly is not considered as
breaking a buddhist precept
Get your
]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 6:37 AM
Hi Anthony.
What can't you do by yourself?
Mike.
- Original Message
From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Sent: Wednesday, 15
: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 7:27 AM
Hi Anthony,
Ok, I'm waiting. When are you going to put it in simple bloody English?
Mike
- Original Message
From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 7:59:00
Subject: Re: [Zen
subjectively. In other words, only by YOU! If you
feel you need to go to Africa - go. If you feel you can be an example to others
by transforming your lifestyle - don't go. But be led by your own innate wisdom
- not by others.
Mike.
- Original Message
From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED
One of Bill's words makes a lot of sense to me: zen predates Buddhism. But I
would rather that they don't separate. OK, I don't want to get back to those
'delusional' discussions about morality. It is irrelevant here.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 23/10/08, cid830 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is a zen way? I think humour is a great teaching tool and IMHO Zen
stands out from all other religions regarding the use of humour. Besides, does
anyone here seriously still believe 'Jackson Masters' is a black man??
Mike.
- Original Message
From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg
Mayka,
Before I see Bill's reply, I would say, 'zen - like magic, difies logics'.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 23/10/08, Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 5:45 PM
Edgar,
I share your mind. With Suzuki, you don't have to take precautions. But beware
of Bill: prepare to 'take a beating' literally.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 23/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] hi
To:
? Muzakashi sugi ne!
Mike (that had nothing to do with zen whatsoever, but I thought I'd just air my
ego for a spell).
- Original Message
From: Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 22:22:28
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen
That is why I said, instead of Japanese, we are better off learning Thai (which
has a lot of imported Indian words) or Pali (I hope it contains not so much
adulterations into the original Buddha language).
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Sun, 26/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar
What passport does he hold?
BNO (British Nationality Overseas)?
--- On Sun, 26/10/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Black Zen Masters?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 26 October, 2008, 10:39 PM
Yea, he gets
Mike,
Your argument is very zen. I agree this approach will make us happy all our
life. It will see us through until our last days. Remember the famous zen
master Daisetsu Suzuki. Many said he was enlightened. But he went through a
lot of pain during his last days of dying. Furthermore, we
Charlie,
What is 'dork, geek...'. Continue your education.
Regards,
Chinaman
--- On Fri, 31/10/08, Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Loserville
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 31 October, 2008, 10:50 AM
Anthony Wu Thank you
No, it is a real colloquial word for gay or lesbian.
--- On Sun, 2/11/08, Mac A. Roni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mac A. Roni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Loserville
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 9:49 AM
Anthony Wu 14)What do you call a Chinese
Can I vote Libertine?
Anthony
--- On Sun, 2/11/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] New poll for Zen_Forum
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 7:27 PM
I used to vote Libertarian, but Bob Barr is a hostile
Materialists/nihilists should be welcome to this forum. The arguments have been
going on thousands of years. What is 'pure zen's' answer to this question?
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Mon, 3/11/08, zatoichi63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: zatoichi63 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Is SATORI just
Bill,
Is it worth all the dedication just to have those 'fantasies'?
If so, espresso is no fun. Remy Martin is better.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Mon, 3/11/08, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] Re: Is SATORI just a fairy tale?
To:
Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 8:46 AM
Anthony,
Satori is an illusion. There is nothing that has to be done, nothing to be
attained.
Dedication is always worthwhile.
Bill!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Monday, November
Bill,
I think we are getting closer there.
So you suggest 'dedication for dedication's sake'?
We should practice zen without any goal. Wouldn't it be better to drink Remy
Martin? Which way is happier?
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Tue, 4/11/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From:
@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 9:21 PM
Anthony;
The Buddha also said:
Do not believe in anything I say but first experience it by
yourself.
Mayka
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edgar and Mayka,
Â
Please be reminded that the question
A good answer: there was a movie called Logan's Run, where a society has a law
that shoots anyone over 30 years old with a laser gun. So the city has ended up
with all young people and lives happily, until inevitably they are 30.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 6/11/08, Camila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I join the condolences and the best wishes. Hope to see you soon.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Sun, 9/11/08, mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: mike brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Where's Bill?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 1:31 AM
Hi
Yours is a good idea and I don't want to get spammed either. But how do you
'ban' membership? You are not the owner of the site, are you?
--- On Fri, 14/11/08, fitness4u2163 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: fitness4u2163 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] GROUPLY WILL BE BANNED
To:
all the exploited and suffering and poor in line in this life to accept
their condition. As Marx said, religion is the opiate of the people. That
includes both karma and Christian heaven.
Edgar
On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
Hi,
Since everybody is lurking
in this life to accept their condition. As Marx
said,
religion is the opiate of the people. That includes both karma
and
Christian heaven.
Edgar
On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
Hi,
Since everybody is lurking waiting to be excited. Here
and suffering
and
poor in line in this life to accept their condition. As Marx
said,
religion is the opiate of the people. That includes both karma
and
Christian heaven.
Edgar
On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
Hi,
Since
Mayka,
I believe Bill Smart is the moderator. I don't know if there is an
'administrator'. Maybe it is also Bill. Please confirm.
Anthony
--- On Sun, 30/11/08, Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mayka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zen] To The Moderator in the Zen_Forum Group
To:
Edgar,
What is your belief? Do past lives exist? Or regression is just a hypnotic
technique, so the subject can have wild dreams?
Anthony
Get your preferred Email name!
Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com
http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/sg/
Bill,
Don't lurk.
How do you know your 'self' is 'annihilated' or somehow disappear, so that
karma will no longer work?
Does that mean nihilism? Or nirvana?
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Mon, 1/12/08, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen]
Edgar,
Both northern and southern Chan went to Japan. The sudden awakening school is
represented by Rinzai (Linji) sect, and the gradual way, by Soto (Caodong).
They are both popular in the modern land of the rising sun (and yen).
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Tue, 2/12/08, Edgar Owen [EMAIL
Very good representation. A more scaring way is that Rinzai is like pushing
somebody into a bottomless abyss. Anybody has the courage to be pushed that way?
Anthony
--- On Tue, 2/12/08, Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bill Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Position of Karma
Jody,
Buddhist faith, prayer and blessings have the same meaning as with Christian,
except that they are directed or concerned with Buddha, dharma and sangha. For
instance, a Buddist prayer is directed to Amitabha, Sakyamuni, or a wrathful
deity in the case of Tibetan Buddhism. Mind you, Bill
, death and the universe...etc, etc...
Mayka
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jody,
Â
Buddhist faith, prayer and blessings have the same meaning as with
Christian, except that they are directed or concerned with Buddha,
dharma and sangha. For instance
Mayka,
I am praying for your sister. Wish her recovery well.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Mon, 15/12/08, Mayka flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Mayka flordel...@btinternet.com
Subject: [Zen] Request to you all
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 15 December, 2008, 4:10 PM
Dear
Karin,
Ducks have Buddha nature when we have sympathy with them. When you think about
them in general terms, they should have no Buddha nature. Otherwise, you would
attach to them. That is a teaching from Zhaozhou zen master.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 16/12/08, Karin tortiller...@yahoo.com wrote:
So we don't have to practice zen, christianity, islam, Judaism, or anything
like that, just wait for science to develop, so you will have all you want, or
don't want. Lets go home and enjoy ourselves.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 18/12/08, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
From: Edgar Owen
You are right in doing that. By the same token, if the choice is between a
human being and a duck, it is clear that you should go for the former. But the
reasoning should stop somewhere, otherwise, we would be supporting someone like
Hitler.
Anthony
--- On Sat, 20/12/08, Vince
I believe 'Buddha nature' is a mahayana Buddhism's creation. I have not found
original Buddhism literature mentioning the term. Some go as far as insisting
that even stone has Buddha nature. Let us limit ourselves to sentient beings
only who have Buddha nature. That means all animals, including
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Of Anthony Wu
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:34 PM
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Nature?
Bill,
I don't see a difference between my 'no' and your 'whatever'. Both mean 'stop
bullshiting about Buddha nature'. Next time you meet Zhaozhou zen master, give
him a better
his sins and accepts Christ he will be saved.
Both are perversions.
Edgar
On Dec 21, 2008, at 4:22 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
I believe 'Buddha nature' is a mahayana Buddhism's creation. I have not found
original Buddhism literature mentioning the term. Some go as far as insisting
The definition of a sentient being is whether it will run when under the threat
of being killed, and whether it pursues happiness. Insects have both these
characters, so they are sentient beings.
--- On Sun, 21/12/08, Karin Machado tortiller...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Karin Machado
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Of Anthony Wu
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:21 PM
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Nature?
Bill,
I agree that at least 'mu' means 'no' or 'whatever'. If we go deeper, like you
say, that sets up a conumdrum for the student to work as a koan.
I
In my next life as an ant, I will organize a struggle against the oppressing
ant class, to set up a proletarian dictatorship, so that both the princess and
the worker will be saved.
Anthony
--- On Mon, 22/12/08, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
Bill,
Chumlong advocated pious Buddhist life. Now you are saying he is part of the
elites. That does not make sense, unless he gave up his previous view
completely.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 25/12/08, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org
...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Zen_ fo...@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf
Of Anthony Wu
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 7:37 AM
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Where is Chinese Chan Master?
Bill,
Chumlong advocated pious Buddhist life. Now you are saying he is part
Bill Smart Era means no samsara, no nirvana, no suffering and no fun.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 25/12/08, hanlin_academy hanlin_acad...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: hanlin_academy hanlin_acad...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] 2012: Natural cycles and natural thinking
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date:
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Anthony
--- On Sat, 27/12/08, cid830 summitj...@att.net wrote:
From: cid830 summitj...@att.net
Subject: Re: [Zen] 2012: Natural cycles and natural thinking
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 27 December, 2008, 12:27 AM
No Way!
Chris
--- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, Anthony Wu wu
I believe most of you have come back from holiday. The following joke will
either give you pleasure or remind you of a sad event.
A man went to an ATM in Shanghai. After entering his password, a screen appears
that says: 'sorry, out of funds'. He is then left wondering:' who is out of
funds?
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From: Karin tortiller...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: A Chinese Joker
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 7:13 AM
Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: China's Louis Vuiton shop in Shanghai
will remain its brightest spot in the world.
Are you really
Edgar,
This is an old story. It says the spiritual experiences are concurrent with
physical events in the brain. It does not tell whether 'one with the universe'
and 'floating from his body' are real or just hallucination. Just like your own
experience during regression, you are not sure
In Thailand, fried rice is no difference than flight lice.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Karin tortiller...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Karin tortiller...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Where is Chinese Chan Master?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 1 January, 2009, 11:20 PM
Anthony
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Of Anthony Wu
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 5:16 AM
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Where is Chinese Chan Master?
In Thailand, fried rice is no difference than flight lice.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Karin tortillera77@ yahoo.com wrote:
From
This is no dumb question. We should all think about that. There are many, even
those still alive claim to be more enlightened than Buddha. One of them is Li
Hongzhi, founder of the Falun Gong sect, who claims to be able to metamorphose
into more different bodies than Buddha was able to. There
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