Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 18 January 2014 23:24, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Interesting. This illustrates perhaps some spectrum of different > "geographies" possible, with the same physics, but different parameters. > The WAP requires that, otherwise the fine tuning starts to look a little (tries to think of a word acce

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 18 Jan 2014, at 04:55, meekerdb wrote: On 1/17/2014 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: Indeed it would be very strange, perhaps verging on miraculous. I believe just the nuclear resonance discovered by Hoyle alone is already incredibly fine tuned, after which we have the amazing properties of carbon

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 18 Jan 2014, at 00:13, LizR wrote: Indeed it would be very strange, perhaps verging on miraculous. I believe just the nuclear resonance discovered by Hoyle alone is already incredibly fine tuned, after which we have the amazing properties of carbon and water, and the cosmological flatne

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 17 Jan 2014, at 23:35, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jan 2014, at 22:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014/1/16 Quentin Anciaux 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal snip And, in AUDA, the mathematical structure of the observable, which

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 17 Jan 2014, at 23:03, meekerdb wrote: On 1/17/2014 2:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But that comes from your assumption that belief=provable UDA does not use that assumption. And AUDA uses only the assumption that you believe in what PA can prove That is provable=>believed. That is a

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:17 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2014 8:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/17/2014 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> Indeed it would be very strange, perhaps verging on miraculous. I believe >> just the nuclear res

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Hence my suggestion that we just need to sample a lot of universes... :-) On 18 January 2014 19:17, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2014 8:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/17/2014 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> Indeed it would be very stra

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/17/2014 8:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:55 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/17/2014 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: Indeed it would be very strange, perhaps verging on miraculous. I believe just the nuclear resonance discovered by Hoyle al

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 18 January 2014 19:02, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2014 8:17 PM, LizR wrote: > > OK, I withdraw the incredibly. I'm just going by what folks tell me on > this, plus no doubt a natural tendency towards hyperbole. > > So we still have the properties of water and carbon and "god knows what > else

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/17/2014 8:17 PM, LizR wrote: OK, I withdraw the incredibly. I'm just going by what folks tell me on this, plus no doubt a natural tendency towards hyperbole. So we still have the properties of water and carbon and "god knows what else". Given the number of elements that don't assemble in

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2014 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: > > Indeed it would be very strange, perhaps verging on miraculous. I believe > just the nuclear resonance discovered by Hoyle alone is already incredibly > fine tuned, after which we have the amazing properties

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

OK, I withdraw the incredibly. I'm just going by what folks tell me on this, plus no doubt a natural tendency towards hyperbole. So we still have the properties of water and carbon and "god knows what else". Given the number of elements that don't assemble into chain molecules, or liquids that do

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/17/2014 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: Indeed it would be very strange, perhaps verging on miraculous. I believe just the nuclear resonance discovered by Hoyle alone is already incredibly fine tuned, after which we have the amazing properties of carbon and water, and the cosmological flatness and go

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Indeed it would be very strange, perhaps verging on miraculous. I believe just the nuclear resonance discovered by Hoyle alone is already incredibly fine tuned, after which we have the amazing properties of carbon and water, and the cosmological flatness and god (ahem) knows what else. On 18 Janua

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 16 Jan 2014, at 22:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2014/1/16 Quentin Anciaux > >> >> >> >> 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal >> >>> >>> On 16 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal >>>

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

> > I hope I will be able to clarify, after explaining the modal logic, why > comp put maximal constraints on the physical law, making all the rest > different instantiations of those laws. > I will be very interested to know why this is so, assuming my brain can handle it. A lot of people have wo

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 17 January 2014 20:55, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > 2014/1/16 LizR > >> On 17 January 2014 10:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> You can disagree, but it's a fact, we can make video game, so we can make any rules we want in the created virtual worlds, nothing prevent us to do so.

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/17/2014 2:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But that comes from your assumption that belief=provable UDA does not use that assumption. And AUDA uses only the assumption that you believe in what PA can prove That is provable=>believed. , and that you are willing to be cautious on believing a

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 17 Jan 2014, at 08:55, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014/1/16 LizR On 17 January 2014 10:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: You can disagree, but it's a fact, we can make video game, so we can make any rules we want in the created virtual worlds, nothing prevent us to do so. Yes, I made up a g

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 Jan 2014, at 22:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014/1/16 Quentin Anciaux 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal On 16 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal On 15 Jan 2014, at 21:02, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 Jan 2014, at 19:18, meekerdb wrote: On 1/16/2014 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:44, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2014 12:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:39, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 10:29, Terren Suydam wrote: condescending dismissal in

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 Jan 2014, at 19:10, meekerdb wrote: On 1/16/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And the answer is "yes, he would know that, but not immediately". So it would not change the indeterminacy, as he wil

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

2014/1/17 Bruno Marchal > > On 16 Jan 2014, at 18:27, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > > The simplest and by far most likely answer is to assume that the world >> we appear to live in IS the real actual world >> > > Maybe. But it could be argued tha

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 Jan 2014, at 18:27, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > The simplest and by far most likely answer is to assume that the world we appear to live in IS the real actual world Maybe. But it could be argued that if the ability to perform vast ca

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

2014/1/16 LizR > On 17 January 2014 10:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >>> You can disagree, but it's a fact, we can make video game, so we can >>> make any rules we want in the created virtual worlds, nothing prevent us to >>> do so. >>> >>> Yes, I made up a game in which 17 is an even number a

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 17 January 2014 10:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> You can disagree, but it's a fact, we can make video game, so we can make >> any rules we want in the created virtual worlds, nothing prevent us to do >> so. >> >> Yes, I made up a game in which 17 is an even number and an infinite number of c

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/16/2014 9:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perhaps, perhaps not. We have to compare the mass of the electron we measure in our neighborhood, with the mass of the electron in the comp physics. If the comp physics is agnostic on the electron mass, it means that the mass of electron is not a law,

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

2014/1/16 Quentin Anciaux > > > > 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 16 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal >> >>> >>> On 15 Jan 2014, at 21:02, Terren Suydam wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal > > On 16 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 15 Jan 2014, at 21:02, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> There is still FPI going on in the "rogue" simulatio

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/16/2014 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:44, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2014 12:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:39, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 10:29, Terren Suydam > wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2...

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/16/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And the answer is "yes, he would know that, but not immediately". So it would not change the indeterminacy, as he will not immediately see that he is in a simula

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > The simplest and by far most likely answer is to assume that the world we > appear to live in IS the real actual world > Maybe. But it could be argued that if the ability to perform vast calculations is possible (and I can't see why it woul

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal On 15 Jan 2014, at 21:02, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: There is still FPI going on in the "rogue" simulation - the one where Glak emerges from an alternative-phy

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 Jan 2014, at 04:25, freqflyer07281972 wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:54:09 PM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote: Man that’s uncool. You may think he is an idiot, but to go troll the internet and then publish on this list his very personal life is crossing a line. I think you owe the

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 January 2014 21:34, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/15/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > And the answer is "yes, he would know that, but not immediately". > > So it would not change the indeterminacy, as he will not immediately see > that h

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

2014/1/16 Quentin Anciaux > > > > 2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 15 Jan 2014, at 21:02, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> There is still FPI going on in the "rogue" simulation - the one where >>> Glak emerges from an alternativ

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

2014/1/16 Bruno Marchal > > On 15 Jan 2014, at 21:02, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> There is still FPI going on in the "rogue" simulation - the one where >> Glak emerges from an alternative-physics, as there are infinite >> continuatio

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2014 10:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This should be clearer, hopefully, when I translate "probability" in arithmetic. If Glak is Löbian, then it has the same physics than us What does "same" mean here. Same coupling constants?...same num

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 21:02, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: There is still FPI going on in the "rogue" simulation - the one where Glak emerges from an alternative-physics, as there are infinite continuations from Glak's state(s) in the alternat

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:44, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2014 12:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:39, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 10:29, Terren Suydam wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... Teehee. Not a condescending dismissal in anyone else's mind, however, jus

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And the answer is "yes, he would know that, but not immediately". So it would not change the indeterminacy, as he will not immediately see that he is in a simulation, but, unless you intervene repeatedly

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:54:09 PM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote: > > Man that’s uncool. You may think he is an idiot, but to go troll the > internet and then publish on this list his very personal life is crossing a > line. I think you owe the man an apology and need to look into your own >

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

To take one example at random, when Stephen suggested that your theory had similarities with ideal monism, you said: Trying to shoehorn it won't help you understand it. This implies that Stephen's attempt to understand your theory was "shoehorning" and that he wasn't able to understand it, both o

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 January 2014 11:45, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/15/2014 2:14 PM, LizR wrote: > > Anyway. That said, I think that anyone who asks *specifically* for a > non-feminist must be wanting someone who will accept a female role from > long ago and far away - they're looking for someone docile and obedie

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 January 2014 11:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Liz, > > I've never called anyone on this list "stupid", not a single time. You > claim I have "spent the last week or so calling everyone stupid". That is > simply not true so one wonders why you would say it? > > Because you keep implying it. --

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> There is still FPI going on in the "rogue" simulation - the one where >> Glak emerges from an alternative-physics, as there are infinite >> continuations from Glak's state(s) i

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 January 2014 23:55, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 15 Jan 2014, at 10:39, LizR wrote: > > On 15 January 2014 21:49, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:59, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> Liz, >> >> Are you describing YOUR inability to understand MY satirical comment >> perchance? I eve

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Brent, Correct. I actually spell it out and make it pretty clear in the advert what I mean by a non-feminist. Edgar On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:45:52 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/15/2014 2:14 PM, LizR wrote: > > Anyway. That said, I think that anyone who asks *specifically* for a

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Liz, I've never called anyone on this list "stupid", not a single time. You claim I have "spent the last week or so calling everyone stupid". That is simply not true so one wonders why you would say it? Edgar On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:57:53 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 16 January 20

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/15/2014 2:14 PM, LizR wrote: Anyway. That said, I think that anyone who asks /specifically/ for a non-feminist must be wanting someone who will accept a female role from long ago and far away - they're looking for someone docile and obedient, with non-threatening hair. On the other hand,

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

..@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everyth...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of * > freqflyer07281972 > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 14, 2014 6:26 PM > *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter > > > > *"SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LO

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 January 2014 08:40, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/15/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > And the answer is "yes, he would know that, but not immediately". > > So it would not change the indeterminacy, as he will not immediately see > that he is in a simulation, but, unless you intervene repe

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 January 2014 08:19, Jason Resch wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:50 AM, LizR wrote: > >> Assuming this is genuine (and the phraseology certainly sounds like our >> Mr Owen) ... all I can say is, anyone who asks for a "non-feminist" in the >> 21st century deserves to be shot. >> > > I am

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 16 January 2014 05:57, Telmo Menezes wrote: > From what I could observe, Edgar came here with his ideas (which I > mostly don't agree with, but that's fine). He was never the one > initiating personal attacks. Also he's using his real name, while > being attacked by someone using a pseudonym.

RE: Consciousness as a State of Matter

: Consciousness as a State of Matter "SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION: I'm seeking a compatible, loyal, caring, natural, affectionate, non-feminist woman who believes that male female relationships should not be adversarial or selfish, but based on mutual love, trust a

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/15/2014 10:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This should be clearer, hopefully, when I translate "probability" in arithmetic. If Glak is Löbian, then it has the same physics than us What does "same" mean here. Same coupling constants?...same number of Higgs bosons?...same spacetime dimension

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/15/2014 4:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >"SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION: I'm seeking a >compatible, loyal, caring, natural, affectionate, non-feminist woman who >believes that male female relationships should not

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > There is still FPI going on in the "rogue" simulation - the one where Glak > emerges from an alternative-physics, as there are infinite continuations > from Glak's state(s) in the alternative physics. > > > You cannot change the FPI, as it i

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/15/2014 12:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:39, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 10:29, Terren Suydam > wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... Teehee. Not a condescending /*dismissal*/ in anyone else's mind, however, just mor

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 1/15/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And the answer is "yes, he would know that, but not immediately". So it would not change the indeterminacy, as he will not immediately see that he is in a simulation, but, unless you intervene repeatedly on the simulation, or unless you manipulate di

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:50 AM, LizR wrote: > Assuming this is genuine (and the phraseology certainly sounds like our Mr > Owen) ... all I can say is, anyone who asks for a "non-feminist" in the > 21st century deserves to be shot. > > I am not sure whether or not the word is defined differently

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 17:50, Terren Suydam wrote: Bruno, On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The simulation is locally finite, and the comp-physics is necessarily infinite (it emerges from the 1p indeterminacy on the whole UD*), so, soon or later, he will bet that he is

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 16:43, Jason Resch wrote: On Jan 15, 2014, at 2:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:29, Terren Suydam wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, S

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM, freqflyer07281972 >> wrote: >> > "SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION: I'm seeking a >> > compatible, loyal, caring

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > PGC, > > No, you have your facts wrong. I did NOT start this. My post you quoted > was in response to Freq's previous comment that "Also, I am really > starting to understand why you have difficulty with finding a life > partner." > > Just c

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Bruno, On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > The simulation is locally finite, and the comp-physics is necessarily >> infinite (it emerges from the 1p indeterminacy on the whole UD*), so, soon >> or later, he will bet that he is in a simulation (or that comp is wrong). >> > >

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

2014/1/15 Jason Resch > > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 2:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:29, Terren Suydam wrote: > > condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM, LizR < > lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Jan 15, 2014, at 2:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:29, Terren Suydam wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, See my response to Brent on consciousness of an h

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

PGC, No, you have your facts wrong. I did NOT start this. My post you quoted was in response to Freq's previous comment that "Also, I am really starting to understand why you have difficulty with finding a life partner." Just check your own post. You will see that comment by Freq down below My

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

: everything-list Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:45 am Subject: Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > "SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION: I'm seeking a > c

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM, freqflyer07281972 > wrote: > > "SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION: I'm seeking a > > compatible, loyal, caring, natural, affectionate, non-feminist woman who > > believes that male female rela

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Telmo, Thanks Telmo! Freq's comment was especially painful as my previous lady companion died of cancer a few years ago which is why I was looking again. Edgar On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:17:44 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM, freqflyer07281972 > > wr

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > "SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION: I'm seeking a > compatible, loyal, caring, natural, affectionate, non-feminist woman who > believes that male female relationships should not be adversarial or > selfish, but based on mu

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

Freq, So now you are on my case because my previous girlfriend died of cancer a few years back?! Edgar On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:26:02 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > *"SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION:* I'm seeking a > compatible, loyal, caring, natural, affecti

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:45, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 21:29, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:39, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 10:29, Terren Suydam wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... Teehee. Not a condescending dismissal in anyone else's mind, however, just

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 10:39, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 21:49, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:59, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, Are you describing YOUR inability to understand MY satirical comment perchance? I even included a smiley to indicate that which you didn't... Lighten

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:48, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:53, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, It's a lot less of "hunch" than the simulation theory in the first place. The simulation exists, like prime number exists. Selecting one computation cannot work, by the UDA, so the only

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:44, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 21:34, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:29, Terren Suydam wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, See my response to

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 January 2014 21:49, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:59, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Liz, > > Are you describing YOUR inability to understand MY satirical comment > perchance? I even included a smiley to indicate that which you didn't... > > Lighten up and smile! > :-) > > You can

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:59, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, Are you describing YOUR inability to understand MY satirical comment perchance? I even included a smiley to indicate that which you didn't... Lighten up and smile! :-) You cannot insult someone and ask him or her to smile. Bruno

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:53, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, It's a lot less of "hunch" than the simulation theory in the first place. The simulation exists, like prime number exists. Selecting one computation cannot work, by the UDA, so the only way to avoid the measure problem on all simulati

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 January 2014 21:29, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:39, LizR wrote: > > On 15 January 2014 10:29, Terren Suydam wrote: > >> condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... >> >> Teehee. > > Not a condescending *dismissal* in anyone else's mind, however, just more > hand-waving nons

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 January 2014 21:34, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:29, Terren Suydam wrote: > > condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM, LizR wrote: > >> On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >>> Liz, >>> >>> See my response to Brent on con

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:37, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, If your question is whether or not it is possible to determine whether we are living in a matrix type simulation I believe it is because we would not just be living in the simulation but in the entire reality in which the simulation is

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 15 January 2014 21:22, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 14 Jan 2014, at 21:22, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > >> John, >> >> The simplest and by far most likely answer is to assume that the world we >> appear to live in IS the real actual world (though

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:29, Terren Suydam wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, See my response to Brent on consciousness of an hour ago. It answers this question... Actually to an

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:39, LizR wrote: On 15 January 2014 10:29, Terren Suydam wrote: condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1... Teehee. Not a condescending dismissal in anyone else's mind, however, just more hand-waving nonsense that only Edgar could possibly think is a dismissal. Thi

Re: Consciousness as a State of Matter

On 14 Jan 2014, at 21:22, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: John, The simplest and by far most likely answer is to assume that the world we appear to live in IS the real actual world (though heavily filtered through our own internal simulation

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On 14 Jan 2014, at 18:53, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Liz, See my response to Brent on consciousness of an hour ago. It answers this question... Actually to answer your question properly you have to define 'person', what you mean by an 'AI' and what you mean by a 'simulation'. All those ter

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Assuming this is genuine (and the phraseology certainly sounds like our Mr Owen) ... all I can say is, anyone who asks for a "non-feminist" in the 21st century deserves to be shot. So it's fortunate for Edgar that his ego, if not his theory, appears to be bullet-proof. On 15 January 2014 15:26,

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On 15 January 2014 15:16, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > LIz, > > Good one! Thanks for the chuckles! > > Thanks! It's the least I can do considering the hours of amusement you've provided. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscr

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On 15 January 2014 15:29, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > P.S. for Liz: TAKE NOTE! While you might be out of the running to be > Edgar's companion, perhaps you might know some "non-feminist" women who > could be? > > Probably not in my neck of the woods (New Zealand) -- us Kiwi birds tend to be a bit t

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P.S. for Liz: TAKE NOTE! While you might be out of the running to be Edgar's companion, perhaps you might know some "non-feminist" women who could be? On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:26:02 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > *"SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION:* I'm seeking a

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*"SEEKING A COMPATIBLE WOMAN OR LONG TERM COMPANION:* I'm seeking a compatible, loyal, caring, natural, affectionate, non-feminist woman who believes that male female relationships should not be adversarial or selfish, but based on mutual love, trust and benefit. Hopefully young and healthy en

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Freq, But I have a life partner, a truly wonderful one. You? Edgar On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:03:55 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > Also, I am really starting to understand why you have difficulty with > finding a life partner. > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:02:30 PM UTC-5, fre

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Brent, I didn't say that... Edgar On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:11:37 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/14/2014 5:56 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Freq, > > Yes it is too easy. Do you actually read anything before you respond? > Note I said "that could replace biological neurons one by one

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LIz, Good one! Thanks for the chuckles! Best, Edgar On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:01:38 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 15 January 2014 14:51, freqflyer07281972 > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:24:31 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>> >>> Jason, >>> >>> There are no 'synth

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On 1/14/2014 5:56 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Freq, Yes it is too easy. Do you actually read anything before you respond? Note I said "that could replace biological neurons one by one". But then why do you suppose that replacing the biological neurons with artificial neurons having the same inp

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On 15 January 2014 14:59, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Liz, > > Are you describing YOUR inability to understand MY satirical comment > perchance? I even included a smiley to indicate that which you didn't... > > Lighten up and smile! > Actually I'm trying to restrain myself from ROFL at the moment, be

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Also, I am really starting to understand why you have difficulty with finding a life partner. On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:02:30 PM UTC-5, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > OK. > > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/adfm.201200640/abstract > > > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:56:09 PM UTC

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