Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:09, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 10:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:45, meekerdb wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just no

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/13/2013 10:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:45, meekerdb wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just not human experience and when you stop having hu

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:45, meekerdb wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just not human experience and when you stop having human experience you're dead. Why? If by

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On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:19, meekerdb wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:35, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 16:03, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 6:38 PM, LizR wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis' "T

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:15, meekerdb wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Both with Comp and with Everett-QM we have lost that unique theoretical evidence, because our best current explanation (comp, or QM) makes that mind-brain identity non sensical. I don't see anything abou

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 Nov 2013, at 00:33, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 Richard Ruquist Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in less than 150 years. There is no quantum immortality Well it's cool asserting things... but you should develop more, all I'm saying is

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11 Nov 2013, at 20:21, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/11 meekerdb On 11/11/2013 1:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Sure, but if I live infinitely long I will have almost all my experiences older than 75. So when I note that I'm not that old and that seems improbable, The thing is as

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 17:20, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 8:08 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 13 November 2013 17:03, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/12/2013 7:28 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >>> Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 9:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 11/12/2013 5:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: There is a continuation from being anesthetized to waking up from anesthesia. Did you leave out a "no"?

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end your > life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all other > universes. Unless the laws of physics differ across the multiverse, which I > unders

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 5:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> There is a continuation from being anesthetized to waking up from >> anesthesia. >> > > Did you leave out a "no"? It was intentional, I meant there is a continuation, as in subjectively one moment

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 8:08 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 17:03, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/12/2013 7:28 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist mailto:yann...@gmail.com>> wrote: Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means yo

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 17:03, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 7:28 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end >> your life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all >> other

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 16:51, Richard Ruquist wrote: > My email service does not allow me to interleave comments. > Well in that case maybe you could cut and paste the relevant quote. There was an awful lot of text after your comment, I still have no idea what you were replying to. > > Regarding y

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 7:28 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist > wrote: Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end your life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all other universes. Unless

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

My email service does not allow me to interleave comments. Regarding your reply, the laws of biophysics does MANDATE growing old and dying. I think the more advanced understanding of the multiverse is that incredibly unlikely things do not happen. As I recall the argument was based on decoherence

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 16:19, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end your > life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all other > universes. Unless the laws of physics differ across the multiverse, which I > understand t

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 14:09, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in >> less than 150 years. >> There is no quantum immortality >> >> I guess that settles it. > > Phew, glad we

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Simple. Shooting yourself with a gun or whatever means you use to end your life in one universe does not guarranttee that you do not grow in all other universes. Unless the laws of physics differ across the multiverse, which I understand to be incorrect, your copies will grow old and die in every u

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 5:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: There is a continuation from being anesthetized to waking up from anesthesia. Did you leave out a "no"? There is a continuation, but not of consciousness. Would you say the same true for an amnesiac being anesthetized? I think so. An "amnesiac" is

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 5:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM, LizR wrote: > >> On 13 November 2013 11:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >>> Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die >>> in less than 1

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 4:59 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> >>> Experience may be like tha

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 5:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 13 November 2013 11:12, Richard Ruquist mailto:yann...@gmail.com>> wrote: Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in less than

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 4:59 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experienc

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM, LizR wrote: > On 13 November 2013 11:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in >> less than 150 years. >> There is no quantum immortality >> > > A pretty bold statement. I don't see that the laws of

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 4:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 11:22, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't necessarily continue. It is just that there is a

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in > less than 150 years. > There is no quantum immortality > > I guess that settles it. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: >> >> >> Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just not >>> human experience and when you stop having human experience you'r

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Both with Comp and with Everett-QM we have lost that unique theoretical > evidence, because our best current explanation (comp, or QM) makes that > mind-brain identity non sensical. > > > I don't

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 11:22, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't >> necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. >> So we're down to the question of what constitutes

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 11:16, John Mikes wrote: > Liz wrote: (and I try to interject my remarks in plain lettering) > > *"Sequence is determinative because that's how the universe works. * > I would say: "how WE explain the workings of the universe" (- rather > Multiverse). > > Yes of course but so

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Le 12 nov. 2013 22:53, "meekerdb" a écrit : > > On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >>> >>> On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb > > On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 11:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in > less than 150 years. > There is no quantum immortality > A pretty bold statement. I don't see that the laws of physics require this - there must be a small chance of li

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 13 November 2013 10:30, meekerdb wrote: > But that's part of what bothers me about this idea. How > crippled/brain-damaged can you be and still count as a continuation? Are > there degrees of continuation? If so, why can't the degrees asymptote to > zero? > That bothers me too. It hinges

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 Richard Ruquist > Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in > less than 150 years. > There is no quantum immortality > > Well it's cool asserting things... but you should develop more, all I'm saying is that if MWI is true, the argument follows. It's cle

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/13 Quentin Anciaux > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't >>> necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. >>> So we're down to the question

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't >> necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. >> So we're down to the question of what constitutes a 1p POV. >> > > I kn

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 1:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't necessarily continue. It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs. So we're down to the question of what constitutes a 1p POV. I know what is my own, don't

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Liz wrote: (and I try to interject my remarks in plain lettering) *"Sequence is determinative because that's how the universe works. * I would say: "how WE explain the workings of the universe" (- rather Multiverse). * Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to da

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in less than 150 years. There is no quantum immortality On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meeke

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >>> On

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb m

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there i

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: This is ASSA, and I fin

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of >> being alive, probability is only meaningful between two mome

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of being alive, probability is only meaningful between two momen

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of > being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments... > > > But there's a probability of being alive at time t in the future, > Also

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of > being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments... > > > But there's a probability of being alive at time t in the future, > This

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability of being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments... But there's a probability of being alive at time t in the future, and that can become arbitrarily small, a

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 11:30 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >>> O

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 11:30 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/12 meekerdb >> >>> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meek

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/12 meekerdb > >> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> >>> Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. >>> >>> So I'll ask you the

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/12 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. S

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/12 meekerdb > On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. >> >> So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you inference from >> the fact you, and every body you've e

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb > wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you inference from the fact you, and every body you've ev

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just not human experience and when you stop having human experience you're dead. Why? If by dying we remember being something different fro

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 2:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:35, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 16:03, meekerdb > wrote: On 11/11/2013 6:38 PM, LizR wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis'

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/12/2013 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Both with Comp and with Everett-QM we have lost that unique theoretical evidence, because our best current explanation (comp, or QM) makes that mind-brain identity non sensical. I don't see anything about QM that makes "mind is what a brain does" non

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Also, I found this related thread on QTI, archived by James Higgo, which took place on this list many years ago: http://higgo.com/qti/rplaga.htm Jason On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> Benjamin Button lived hi

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. > > So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you inference from > the fact you, and every body you've ever heard of died before reaching age > 150? > That observation is not relevant the

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote: Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just not human experience and when you stop having human experience you're dead. Why? If by dying we remember being something different from human, I would still feel like I am su

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:35, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 16:03, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 6:38 PM, LizR wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis' "Time's Arrow" (itself a rip off from "An Age" by Brian Aldiss). Presumably according to Q

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 Nov 2013, at 03:38, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 14:14, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 4:29 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 13:03, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 09:37, meekerdb wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: You fi

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/11/2013 7:35 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 16:03, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/11/2013 6:38 PM, LizR wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis' "Time's Arrow" (itself a rip off from "An Ag

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 November 2013 16:03, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/11/2013 6:38 PM, LizR wrote: > > >> Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. >> >> Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis' "Time's Arrow" (itself a rip > off from "An Age" by Brian Aldiss). Presumably according to QTI he's at the > end of an

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/11/2013 6:38 PM, LizR wrote: Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse. Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis' "Time's Arrow" (itself a rip off from "An Age" by Brian Aldiss). Presumably according to QTI he's at the end of an infinite future lifetime, or whatever? But since he's u

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 November 2013 14:14, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/11/2013 4:29 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 12 November 2013 13:03, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/11/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 12 November 2013 09:37, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> You find you

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 November 2013 14:16, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/11/2013 4:39 PM, LizR wrote: > > Actually, if you were Billy Pilgrim, you would know immediately you fell > into the chronosyncinastic infundibulum (sp?) whether you were quantum > immortal or not, because the chances would be infinitesimal of e

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/11/2013 4:39 PM, LizR wrote: Actually, if you were Billy Pilgrim, you would know immediately you fell into the chronosyncinastic infundibulum (sp?) whether you were quantum immortal or not, because the chances would be infinitesimal of ending up in the first N years of your life, where N

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/11/2013 4:29 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 13:03, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/11/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 09:37, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: You f

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Actually, if you were Billy Pilgrim, you would know immediately you fell into the chronosyncinastic infundibulum (sp?) whether you were quantum immortal or not, because the chances would be infinitesimal of ending up in the first N years of your life, where N is *any* finite value. In fact Vonnegut

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 November 2013 13:03, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/11/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 12 November 2013 09:37, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> You find you every day, according to you, every day should not happen, >> only being 10¹⁰

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/11/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 November 2013 09:37, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: You find you every day, according to you, every day should not happen, only being 10¹⁰⁰ is likely,

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 12 November 2013 09:37, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > You find you every day, according to you, every day should not happen, > only being 10¹⁰⁰ is likely, it's just > non-sense, your life is not random sampled, yesterday happe

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/11 meekerdb > On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > You find you every day, according to you, every day should not happen, > only being 10¹⁰⁰ is likely, it's just > non-sense, your life is not random sampled, yesterday happen before today > and be

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: You find you every day, according to you, every day should not happen, only being 10¹⁰⁰ is likely, it's just non-sense, your life is not random sampled, yesterday happen before today and before tomorrow. That doesn't make

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 11/11/2013 10:42 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/11 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/11/2013 12:11 AM, LizR wrote: On 11 November 2013 18:18, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 November 2013 13:53

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

2013/11/11 meekerdb > On 11/11/2013 1:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Sure, but if I live infinitely long I will have almost all my >> experiences older than 75. So when I note that I'm not that old and that >> seems improbable, >> > > The thing is as I said is that you have to be *first* 7

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On 11/11/2013 1:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Sure, but if I live infinitely long I will have almost all my experiences older than 75. So when I note that I'm not that old and that seems improbable, The thing is as I said is that you have to be *first* 75 before being older... you're

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2013/11/11 meekerdb > On 11/11/2013 12:11 AM, LizR wrote: > > On 11 November 2013 18:18, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sure, but the thing is that *y

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On 11/11/2013 12:11 AM, LizR wrote: On 11 November 2013 18:18, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Sure

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On 10 Nov 2013, at 19:31, meekerdb wrote: On 11/9/2013 11:37 PM, LizR wrote: On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes

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On 11 November 2013 22:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > 2013/11/11 meekerdb > >> On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sure, but the thing is that *you have to*, and asking such questio

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2013/11/11 meekerdb > On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> Sure, but the thing is that *you have to*, and asking such question at >> that stage is very likely... you can't be 10⁵ years old

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On 09 Nov 2013, at 20:13, meekerdb wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no sense to me. It is annoying, but we can degrade a lot, yet we can't die (w

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On 11 November 2013 18:18, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> Sure, but the thing is that *you have to*, and asking such question at >> that stage is very likely... you

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On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Sure, but the thing is that *you have to*, and asking such question at that stage is very likely... you can't be 10⁵ years old

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On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:48 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 9:25 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:37 AM, LizR wrote: > >> On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> Tegmark thinks he will survive, if th

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On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Sure, but the thing is that *you have to*, and asking such question at > that stage is very likely... you can't be 10⁵ years old before having been > 1 year old... it's simply nonsense. > > > So you

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On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/10 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 11/9/2013 11:37 PM, LizR wrote: On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he w

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2013/11/10 meekerdb > On 11/9/2013 11:37 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if >> not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no se

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On 11/10/2013 9:25 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:37 AM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gu

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On 11/9/2013 11:37 PM, LizR wrote: On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no

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On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:37 AM, LizR wrote: > On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if >> not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no sense to me. It >>

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On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if not > he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no sense to me. It is > annoying, but we can degrade a lot, yet we can't di

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On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if not he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no sense to me. It is annoying, but we can degrade a lot, yet we can't die (with just comp, or, ITSM, with just the quantum MW

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On 09 Nov 2013, at 00:22, Jason Resch wrote: Liz, That is very interesting. Do you remember anything about this interview (where it was, who was interviewing him, etc.)? One answer is in this very list. I think that it was in an early (interesting) thread "Amoeba Croaks". I don't know

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