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: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, You say: "Put on your own oxygen mask before attempting to help others, but don't exit the airplane until everyone else is also ready to go. Anthony: "Does 'everyone else' include those died, because

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e same thing."   Anthony --- On Sat, 27/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 27 November, 2010, 10:16 AM   Anthony, You are right that it is logically impossible to save all senti

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s.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 4:20 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, Yes, I used the two terms too loosely. They should represent different ideas. For instance, Sakyamuni got enlig

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--- On Sat, 27/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 27 November, 2010, 12:02 AM   Anthony, I’ll repeat again that it is my understanding that the Mahayana’s vow is to not enter

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? Do you think these two terms describe the same experience? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:47 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, '

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ention.   Anthony --- On Fri, 26/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 6:22 PM   ED, I believe Mahayana Buddhism teaches that you should not enter Nirvana nor b

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[mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 4:16 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book ED, You say: Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone? My suggestion: fly to Dharamsala and ask Dalai Lama. (It is an essential

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Llius,   It is impossible to transcend words, unless you wanted to go lower than my IQ.   Anthony --- On Fri, 26/11/10, Lluís Mendieta wrote: From: Lluís Mendieta Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 5:39 AM    Hi, Ed

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/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 9:46 PM Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone? A mother who really cares for her child will

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ED,   You say: Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone?   My suggestion: fly to Dharamsala and ask Dalai Lama. (It is an essential mahayana teaching that you should help others before helping yourself.)   Anthony --- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

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Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone? A mother who really cares for her child will put on her own oxygen mask first. On the other hand, "The life of an enlightened being is like the shadow of a bird on water." --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Bill, > > Yo

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3.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 10:06 AM   Anthony, My comments are embedded below: Bill, Under your guidance, I lost my ability to commit atrocities. But the whole human socieity needs a deterrent to prevent bad ele

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27;we'. I didn't ask about 'we/us', I asked about YOU. Why do YOU need a deterrent against atrocities "to... Sorry...Bill! Anthony --- On Wed, 24/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum

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d not work out well.   Anthony --- On Wed, 24/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 12:25 PM   Anthony, I’m going to be VERY PICKY about your answer

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...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:02 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, Then I answer you as follows: We need a deterrent to make Hitler and the like gentle lambs, so that they can be your companions on

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Bill,   Then I answer you as follows:   We need a deterrent to make Hitler and the like gentle lambs, so that they can be your companions on the way to heaven.   Anthony --- On Tue, 23/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To

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Kristy,   Thank you. Can you explain further who is Blaise Pascal?   Anthony --- On Tue, 23/11/10, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 8:20 AM   Bill / Anthony,   You did

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Anthony, Hey! That’s not fair! I did answer your question. My answer was ‘I don’t know’. From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:10 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

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book Bill / Anthony, You did not ask me this, but now I'm curious. I thought that Blaise Pascal wrote this. k --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 5:09 PM

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Bill / Anthony,   You did not ask me this, but now I'm curious.  I thought that  Blaise Pascal wrote this.  k --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 5:

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no belief in the afterlife. When asked, "What if you're wrong"? He replied, "Then I still win".  They told him it  didn't quite work that way.   Back to my grant...k --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

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Bill,   So I don't have to answer your question. No, K.Marx did not say that. He or his friend quotes that to criticize the vanity of 'bourgeois ideology'.   Anthony --- On Tue, 23/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW:

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Lluis/Kristy,   Yes, we will know who are correct when we are done with this life. I hope we will follow or wait to follow Bill on his way to heaven before the gate is closed.\   Anthony --- On Tue, 23/11/10, Lluís Mendieta wrote: From: Lluís Mendieta Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

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Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, Before I answer your question, please answer the following first: Who says even if God did not exist, we should create one. Why did he say that? Anthony --- On Mon, 22/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE

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With best wishes Lluís - Original Message - From: Kristy McClain To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Anthony, I don't have, or really need a theory. I do not believe w

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thony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 12:06 PM   Kristy,   I think you are saying you are an agnostic. Many are the same. Deep in my heart, I hold the same point of view. However, in the abse

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Bill,   Before I answer your question, please answer the following first:   Who says even if God did not exist, we should create one.   Why did he say that?   Anthony --- On Mon, 22/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To

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...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 10:10 AM   Anthony, You're easily shocked! You've mixed two classes of religions here: Buddhism that teaches karma and the family of monotheistic religion

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old children to operate radars provided by China. Then the Vietnamese planes had no trouble bombing Khmer Rouge facilities and wiped the regime out in a few days.   Anthony --- On Mon, 22/11/10, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoo

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: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 5:42 AM   Anthony,     I don't think you are wrong at all  about this.  I'm not a Catholic, but the Pope has a lot more to answer for , in addition t

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Bill, One would be hard-pressed to find any official Judaic religious text (like the Torah, Old Testament, Talmud, Halakha, Shulchan Aruch etc. ) on the Internet that recommend charity toward outsiders. The Koran makes charity compulsory, and recommends a formula for determining the amount. In

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > Bill, the same can be said of Abraham and Moses, no? At least Jesus was not the genocidal maniac that G-d (and his servants Moses, Joshua, etc.) appear to have been, based on the evidence in the Torah/Pentateuch. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogr

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The same can be said of Abraham and Moses, no? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Kristy, You could say the same about Jesus…Bill! > Gentlemen, > > God, it was good! Sadly, the evidence no longer exists... k

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Kristy, You could say the same about Jesus…Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristy McClain Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:49 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Gentlemen, God, it was good! Sadly

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Gentlemen,   God, it was good!  Sadly, the evidence no longer exists... k --- On Sun, 11/21/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:19 PM   ED, I’d prefer

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, November 22, 2010 4:03 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Chris, If Hitler and Pol Pot were alive, they would not testify whether their conscience suffered. On the other hand, Hitler would have continued his nightmares without killing 10 million Jews

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: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book   Anthony, Forget illusory notions like Karma and the Abrahamic God. In this illusory existence, 'cause and effect' or 'action/reaction' can lead to very real and painful conequences. Whether suicide terrorism or massive collateral damage and occupat

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, 2010 9:20 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Ed, I certainly respect your position on this, but after looking at the link you gave, I have a queston... If the Bible and other events were recorded by mortal humans, how can you be certain these accounts

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Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:05 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Bill, I am shocked that you think karma can be invalidated by worshipping God! Anthony --- On Sat, 20/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re

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--- On Thu, 11/18/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:16 PM   Kristy,   It is not true that belief in karma creates fear rather than compassion. It is closer to say that it c

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wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 2:09 PM   Kristy,   The problem is the Pope still thinks the Old Testament, which is full of horrifying stories, is part of Christianity. If I am wrong, pl

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it is just an illusion, congratulations, you are in a Buddha world. Otherwise, welcome to the club.   Anthony --- On Sun, 21/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 10:19 PM   Anthony, Forget illusory no

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ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 9:59 PM   Anthony, 'Atrocities' from your perspective and mine, but not necessarily from their own perspectives. They might well have believed that they 'w

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Kristy,   The problem is the Pope still thinks the Old Testament, which is full of horrifying stories, is part of Christianity. If I am wrong, please point it out.   Anthony --- On Sun, 21/11/10, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum

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e its not God's fault that these events occur.    Kristy  --- On Sun, 11/21/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:25 AM   --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > Kristy,

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m the Land of the Red Guard --- On Sun, 21/11/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 9:19 AM   Thanks, Chris Austin-La

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using  more kcals than if you had walked that distance.   I can say this as a runner.  It is easy to become a lazy runner (once you are fit), but cycling is hard work!!;)   Kristy   --- On Sat, 11/20/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: "

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Google[zen maryland] My goodness! So many zen facilities in Maryland! --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > On Nov 16, 2010, at 9:18, Kristy McClain > wrote: Gosh-- I didn't realize you lived in CA. For some reason, I thought you lived in MD. I have been in

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > Kristy, The five books of Moses (Torah/Pentateuch), from which most of those Biblical texts are extracted, are regarded by Jews, Christians and Muslims as being the 'Word of God.' --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote: >

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Anthony, Forget illusory notions like Karma and the Abrahamic God. In this illusory existence, 'cause and effect' or 'action/reaction' can lead to very real and painful conequences. Whether suicide terrorism or massive collateral damage and occupation terrorism, there will always be a reciproc

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Anthony, 'Atrocities' from your perspective and mine, but not necessarily from their own perspectives. They might well have believed that they 'were doing the right thing' like GWB and Tony Blair said they they were doing when they unleashed the invasion of Iraq with 'shock and awe', which in

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Kristy, The five books of Moses (Torah/Pentateuch), from which most of those Biblical texts are extracted, are regarded by Jews, Christians and Muslims as being the 'Word of God.' Kristy --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote: > Ed, I certainly respect your position on th

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On Nov 16, 2010, at 9:18, Kristy McClain wrote: > Gosh-- I didn't realize you lived in CA. For some reason, I thought you lived > in MD. I have been in California only two years and on this list constantly refer to my Maryland teacher and Sangha as I have not found a sangha or teacher here

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orrow.  At this time, I am testing a pumkin cheesecake recipe).   Kristy     --- On Sat, 11/20/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 5:50 AM     Bill and All, Be nice to your partner, or else you will

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Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 20, 2010, at 13:03, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > Bill, > > Chris' theory applies to you and Chris himself, but not to someone like > Hitler or Pol Pot. They committed atrocities without compunction. No > suffering in any part of their bo

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Bill,   I am shocked that you think karma can be invalidated by worshipping God!   Anthony --- On Sat, 20/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 20 November, 2010, 9:23 AM

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3.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 20 November, 2010, 9:23 AM   As most of you already know I believe karma as understood of a kind of 'spiritual cause-and-effect' is illusory - both the short- and long-term version. I do, howev

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the Jews had to fight single-handedly and successfully. I am not praising the Israelis, but it is a fact. I don't know how the USA acted then,   Anthony --- On Sat, 20/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 20 November,

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Anthony, Thank you for your compliment. I might answer your second statement if I understood it. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > ED, > > Again I acclaim your good presentation on karma. > > After all, what do you believe and act. Would you embrace Abrahamic r

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Bill and All, Be nice to your partner, or else you will be at the receiving end of a this-worldly unspiritual effect. Tell the truth to your boss about how he can improve his management style and you will experience another kind of this-worldly unspiritual effect. Don't jump when the powerful s

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/10, ED wrote: > > > From: ED > Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 10:58 PM > > >   > > > > >   > Definitions of karma on the Web: > > (Hinduism and Buddhism) the effect

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n) has a lot of merit. If I were to believe in karma it would be something along these lines. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Austin-Lane Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 6:11 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re:

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Anthony, That’s me! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:13 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Chris, You are not alone. We see the world the way it is

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Anthony, You've hit the nail on the head! The US and UK have aided and abetted the Israelis in robbing the Palestinians of their lands and murdering them; and they have occupied the lands of the Muslim people, have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Muslims, and then th

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ED,   Again I acclaim your good presentation on karma.   After all, what do you believe and act. Would you embrace Abrahamic religion to enjoy bypassing of karma, and further 72 virgins?   Anthony --- On Fri, 19/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum

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: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 9:28 AM   On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:23, Anthony Wu wrote: > Your action has immediate consequences, as well as those afterwards. Worrying about t

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Definitions of karma on the Web: * (Hinduism and Buddhism) the effects of a person's actions that determine his destiny in his next incarnation wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

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Ok. Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 18, 2010, at 13:10, Anthony Wu wrote: > You already posted sufficiently, so I retract my effort. Thank you. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Tal

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On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:23, Anthony Wu wrote: > Your action has immediate consequences, as well as those afterwards. Worrying about those long term effects strikes me as being like worrying about what is the outcome of history or life. Who knows. (Worrying here in the sense of putting your f

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Chris,   Your remark makes sense. However, karma is more than that. Your action has immediate consequences, as well as those afterwards.   Anthony --- On Fri, 19/11/10, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date

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  The above argument has existed for two thousand years. What do you believe?   Anthony --- On Fri, 19/11/10, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 7:02 AM   Anthony,   One prob

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Thats an excellent statement, Chris.  I should have stated   that my comments reflected my understanding of karma.  .. I'm always open to learning.. k --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: From: Chris Austin-Lane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroup

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oups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:19 PM > > > >Kristy, > > I don't mean to start a new thread, but you can deny karma, as much as you > do Newton's Law. However, you keep seeing things that cannot be explained > away other than by karma. Just lik

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be explained away other than by karma. Just like you cannot ignore gravity and fly in the sky.   Anthony --- On Thu, 18/11/10, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 5:25 AM  

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Anthony, Good teacher too, accelerating his dropping of attachments to illusory aversions! ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Bill, > > Good moderation. > > Anthony > Anthony, > > If you want to upset him try making fun of his bicycle, or urge ED to post

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Bill,   Good moderation.   Anthony --- On Thu, 18/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 10:03 AM   Anthony, If you want Chris to post more, don’t tell him

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Bill,   If so, we keep more octopuses, to make fortunes by fortune telling.   No karma, no self and no theories are true in the Buddha world. We are not there.   Anthony --- On Thu, 18/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To

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Chris,   You already posted sufficiently, so I retract my effort. Thank you.   Anthony --- On Thu, 18/11/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thursda

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rum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book > > > Chris, > > I want you to post more. How do I upset you more? > > Anthony > > --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > > From: ChrisAustinLane > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon

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: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:40 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Chris, I want you to post more. How do I upset you more? Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To

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o karma, no self, no theories, Just THIS! ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:21 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book Kristy, If karma did not exist, why w

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/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > > From: ChrisAustinLane > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book > To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 11:18 PM > > ED: > > Your posts do have a tendency to come off as being sly and a bit mea

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ng to get rid of them. Not so easy. Anthony --- On *Wed, 17/11/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 //* wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 6:20 AM Anthony, Your first s

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ain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 5:25 AM   Anthony,   That simply proves that God has a good sense of humor.   Kristy --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu S

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Chris,   I want you to post more. How do I upset you more?   Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 11:18 PM   ED:   Your posts

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aps Bill can improve his way of teaching like guiding children away from their toys.   Anthony --- On Tue, 16/11/10, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 7:17 PM   ED:   Thank you f

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Anthony,   That simply proves that God has a good sense of humor.   Kristy --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:20 PM   Kristy,   If karma did not exist

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Kristy,   If karma did not exist, why were you born a smart woman, why I, stupid man? What is a better theory than karma?   Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17

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ED,   Bodhidharma was not bored by 'just this', so he sat facing the wall for nine years, though a naughty boy pricked his arm with a needle from time to time. That is why he is the First Patriarch.   Anthony --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amaz

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Naughty, naughty girl! ;-) --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > JMJM; > > Thank you very much for the compassionate heart behind your posting. ED ignorance shines in his reply to you. A bit of internet garbage feeding the lotus flower. > Mayka

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: > > Thank you, Ed. Very clear now. > By now everyone in the forum has learned from your posting. Only if you are a certified mind-reader, will I believe you! :-) > Whatever I posted has no value. What anyone posts

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JMJM;   Thank you very much for the compassionate heart behind your posting.  ED ignorance shines in his reply to you.  A bit of internet garbage feeding the lotus flower.  ^_^ Mayka     --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

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Thank you, Ed. Very clear now. By now everyone in the forum has learned from your posting. Whatever I posted has no value. Awakening got to come from within for everyone of us. And each of us is unique. Each journey is unique. Do experience your own. It is amazing once you try. Just ign

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: > > Hi ED, You have been quoting a lot from the dictionary. Is this where you find truth? Hi JMJM, you quote your teacher quite a lot. Is it him you get the truth from? > ... what is your personal insight? What do you

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Hi ED, You have been quoting a lot from the dictionary. Is this where you find truth? Mayka has asked you numerous times, what is your personal insight? What do you experience? I have yet to read your answer. You have commented, analyzed, or perhaps even criticized posts from other memb

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to be public.  Thanks for your suggestion and good intentions all the same. Mayka      --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 16:29     Not to worry, Chris.  Say it all here on the for

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Hi ED, I don't find anyone strange. Just delusional, including myself. We are all the same. All perception is a mental act of the ego, because perception is based on transient form. No one should "make anyone sit up and take notice" of anyone. The least is me, I don't deserve no notice

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Not to worry, Chris. Say it all here on the forum. And truths may emerge in each of us from the process. And we may learn and grow from them. Rgds, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > "create discord" is certainly his effect. I think he has read a lot about zen,

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> --- On Wed, 17/11/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > > From: ChrisAustinLane > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book > To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 15:18 > > ED: > > Your posts do have a tendency to come off as b

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On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:41, "ED" wrote: > I do believe that the way you experience me and others is reality for > you. That seems fundamentally wrong to me. There is just reality. You can try to cut reality into That other persons reality anytime we try to let you know something negative. I d

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