Perhaps we could be of better assistance if you gave us a little more
information regarding what step in the process you're having problems with. If
you follow the step by step directions you were given, I'm having a hard time
figuring out what might be difficult unless you're not sure what
Jean,
You could also use a SourceWriter template (say, the generic one) and create a
Source Override. That should give you the ability to create a full citation,
short citation, and bibliography (unlike the Basic Source format), although
it's been a long time since I've tried to do that.
Jean,
I think the To Do feature can serve both purposes you outline. The To Do
reporting capabilities are incredibly flexible if you make use of features like
adding categories, filtering, etc. I have categories for things like Court,
Probate, Manuscripts, etc., but I don't necessarily limit
citation for his birth date
reads:
Solomon Morgan Age Data, report prepared by Connie Sheets, (address), 10 Feb
2011; compiled from ages stated in obituary, state, and federal census records.
Because the obituary, state, and federal census records are entered,
transcribed and cited in Legacy
Yes, I would cite the census for the Residence event. I would cite a more
reliable document such as a passenger list for the Immigration event; and I
would make a Comment or Note that I believe the immigration info in the census
is wrong because [explain reason].
And yes, you're absolutely
From the Family View, click on the Picture Gallery icon (two people inside a
frame).
The Picture Gallery window will appear; click on the Picture icon (toward the
upper right corner of the window).
The Load Picture window will appear. There are several ways to access your
photos from here
To each his own, I suppose, but I would think entering multiple people as AKAs
would only serve to confuse things.
There are several men named Hancock living in the same vicinity in southern
Illinois. I have no idea which one (if any of them) is the father of my
gggrandmother. The only way
always create PDF's which I edit before printing...and the private setting
is easy to catch. Virginia
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com wrote:
To each his own, I suppose, but I would think entering multiple people as AKAs
would only serve to confuse things
Jane,
I'm with Ron on this. I never link anyone where I don't have substantial
evidence, generally from more than one source, that A's father is B. I use the
Note feature to explain my suspicion, and make very clear it is only a
hypothesis.
When I have several possibilities, I not only use
Cheryl,
I'm not familiar with Sugar Sync, but if it's anything like Dropbox, the only
thing I've done is make sure I have the latest version of Legacy installed on
both my desktop and the netbook I take with me to travel, plus the fdb file on
Dropbox. (I'm less fussy about the tc files than a
Joan,
I'm a bit confused by your question, but I hope one of these answers will be
responsive:
(1) An unspecified event (not source) is built in to Legacy for every
person. As far as I know, you can't change it. What you can do, however, is
ignore it.
Make sure you've copied the source to
Joan,
You can't create a template for your sources, per se. What you have to do is
create a Master Source (such as the name of a book, or the state/country that
issued the birth certificate) and then add Source Details (such as the page
number of the book, or the birth certificate number).
Rich's information, below, is perhaps the most accurate in this thread.
Although I've been registered for a long time, and help with indexing, I'm not
a Church member so I do not yet have access to the family trees (although some
non-LDS who have received invitations do have access). The
I think the extent to which one goes paperless is (or should be) a function
of how your brain works, the extent to which you have published your work, and
the extent to which you have arranged for (and trust) your potential survivors
to save your work. (IMO, most people will have to think
So chastise Kristen, who originated this thread, and Michele, who responded
first, and all the others who have commented on this issue recently in threads
with other subjects, not just me, please. You could have easily responded
without quoting me by name.
IMO, my post WAS relevant to the use
but it is too spread out. I won't be able
to get my 10 sources
on one page.
Michele
-Original Message-
From: Connie Sheets
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:34 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs
The BCG does not require submission
The BCG does not require submission of a Research Log as part of the
certification portfolio. Perhaps you are thinking of accreditation through
ICAPGen.
Although it won't look like a traditional research log, I concur with Sherri
that the To-Do feature is perfect for the purpose of a research
Ron is, as usual, correct. To find those lost versions on Dropbox, sign into
your account online and click on Show Deleted Files.
BTW, there is a common misconception that Dropbox stores files online only.
Simply not true. They are stored online AND on your computer. You do not need
an
While the Military template might work, especially if you know he was a ship's
carpenter for the Navy, not a commercial vessel, I would be more inclined to
try the Diary or Artifacts templates first, as they seem to me to be closer to
the type of privately held source material you have.
I
I don't believe in assigning numeric surety levels to anything! What I think
is a 2 you may think is a 3, and what I think today is a 2, next month I may
think is a 1. It's all too subjective.
I discuss conflicting evidence, indirect evidence, etc. in Notes so it is clear
to me, and
I don't think the SourceWriter templates are irrelevant to countries other than
the U.S.
While Evidence Explained was written by an American, Mrs. Mills included
examples from other countries, including the U.K., Switzerland, Finland, and
Australia, to name a few. Personally, I would not buy
There are lots of ways to do this. I use an actual blank _. It works for
me, although I'm sure there are reasonable arguments against it.
The only thing I would absolutely avoid is using an abbreviation like LNU (last
name unknown). I've seen many people later confuse such abbreviations
Michele asked:
I was thinking of putting them in the regular photo album of
each person but after Geoff did it in the source I am not sure.
Those of you that do scan documents into Legacy, where do you put them?
To some extent it depends upon what the documents are, and how many people they
Sherry,
My impression is Anne is not talking about unlinked individuals or people.
She's talking about unlinked miscellaneous information that she's arbitrarily
giving the surname DATA, if I understood her correctly.
Personally, I would not do this, but it is an interesting idea. I use the
Thanks, everyone. Luckily, I always use Cancel (unless I'm making a change I
need to Save). Often, I just do lookups and don't even enter the Edit screen.
Connie
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I know about the date in the lower right corner of the family view screen, but
is there a way to search for everyone updated since a certain date?
I find myself in the unusual (for me) position of having more than one database
and have just realized I may have recently updated the wrong
SourceWriter was introduced more than 2 years ago; if you have never upgraded
from Legacy 6.0 or earlier, you won't have it. It may also not be available in
the free version?
It is a set of templates for writing source citations that are in compliance in
terms of content and format with
Julia wrote:
Every time I add a source, I am always tripped up whether to put
details of the document in the source text field or the details text
field. Once the difference between the two and how do you use them?
Play around with the options and then decide what you want to do based upon
Brian, Customer Support wrote:
The GEDCOM standard does not provide for the detailed fields used by the
SourceWriter system. Because of this all sources exported from Legacy, and
imported back into Legacy will be Basic Style Sources. In the outbound
conversion to the GEDCOM the changes made
I had forgotten about the Chronology option...
It *almost* does what I'm looking for: preferably, it would be a separate
report (I could live with it as part of the Individual Report, provided an
option to export as RTF was added).
The only thing that is missing is the ability to include the
I broke my own rule about never doing anything that requires importing into my
main database, and while the merge went more smoothly than I anticipated, I
have an issue that I would like to prevent, if possible, on the next batch.
I exported my database into RootsMagic, primarily to test their
My apologies for unthreading this thread, but it appears I'm again plagued by
the common unsub/resub issue. (I can post, but I'm not receiving list mail. No
it's not a spam filter issue. I just re-subbed this morning, so I'll give it
more time before I contact Customer Service).
Russ
Again, my apologies for starting a new thread, but I know of no alternative
since I can only read the list in the archives.
Dick asked about Family Group Sheets and, as I read his message, creating a
pure chronological report in Legacy.
I know of no way to do that (short of adding duplicate b,
Current thinking, at least in the US, is that we need to distinguish between
sources, information, and evidence.
Yes, a photograph can be a source if we derive information (e.g. the date of
birth in your example of a tombstone photo) from the photograph.
I'm not convinced, however, that we
p.s. In case you missed it in your archives search, this question was
discussed in May of last year on this thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/msg05100.html
Connie
--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara
to the cemetery and
seen the tombstone myself. For example:
Anna A. Walton tombstone, Cedar Hill Cemetery, Harrison County, Missouri,
viewed by Connie Sheets on 19 June 2004.
Otherwise, I most frequently cite someone else's transcription of the tombstone
(e.g. a cemetery book or an entry at Find
Kirsten,
Perhaps I misinterpreted Gary's post, but I thought he was making the point
that there is no way to attach a source directly to a (linked) photograph in
Legacy.
If he wishes to create a Photo Event, then yes, the Artifacts template would
work. (Although if it were a tombstone photo,
My answers to your questions are interspersed below.
Connie
--- On Mon, 2/14/11, Roemer roe...@optonline.net wrote:
1.the inability to share my reports (I used to at least be
able to create in the program and copy and paste)
Connie says: Reports can be saved to PDF, RTF, TXT and/or other file
David, I disagree with you completely. The internet is a repository, like a
library. Ancestry.com is like a book (or more accurately, like a series of
multi-volume books) within that library. I certainly would cite the name and
page number of a book I found within a library.
While I agree
I agree with Cynthia.
Your source is an image from Ancestry.com, not an official death certificate
from the North Carolina Board of Health (or whatever it may have been called in
the past). Your citation needs to be clear that you were using an online image
from Ancestry.com. You really
I agree, Mary. I probably wouldn't go to that level of detail regarding the
name of the agency, but if I did, I would add it as a comment as you suggest
and use only one citation format, not three.
--- On Sun, 2/13/11, Mary Moyer mgmo...@juno.com wrote:
I agree with Connie, and I would also
Ward,
This is an excellent idea which I hope would be relatively easy to implement.
I have no desire to abandon Legacy, but there is a competitor I'd like to use
for some purposes. I'm essentially trapped in Legacy because I have many
sources written in SourceWriter and they are completely
It appears to me you are asking at least two separate questions:
(1) How best to enter cemetery locations?
This is a personal choice; there is no standard way to do this nor does there
need to be. I never use the Burial Address field, but most of my research is
in rural areas. (I might feel
Perk,
I'm not sure I understand your question. I've made some use of Zotero (probably
not enough) and it is a good place to store web pages/notes along with their
citations.
But if I were citing those web pages in Legacy, I would cite the web page and
the date I accessed it, all of which I
James,
Although the examples I sent tend to be one source per To Do item, I don't
always do it that way. For example, I've had one To Do item that included
reviewing multiple deed books in one county. I didn't set up a separate item
for each deed book.
If I remember correctly, your original
I am coming to this discussion late, but since I don't see answers to James'
specific questions, let me try to address some of them.
I think the Legacy To Do feature is one of the most powerful, and probably
underutilized, features of Legacy. While I'm still experimenting to determine
exactly
I too have used the most relevant population schedule template, then used the
override feature, for non-population schedules.
Connie
--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Marianne Szabo msz...@mindspring.com wrote:
I have a copy of the 1850
Non-Population Schedule 4, Production of
Agriculture from Ancestry
Jean,
I avoid most source overrides. Partly this is because I can almost always
figure out how to make a template work in a way that is consistent with what EE
suggests, and partly because there were issues with source overrides when the
SourceWriter templates first came out. I can't
Tom,
I'm not using it for a formal One Name Study, but yes, I use Legacy to enter
multiple unrelated lines of the same surname. I put them all in the same
database; I do NOT create a separate database for each line. There are no
problems at all. In fact, it is quite helpful to be able to
Ludie,
I never have any Marriage Events show up because I do not use them, except for
the basic Marriage Date and Place. I use only Person Events. As is often
discussed with other issues, that is part of the flexibility of Legacy; I know
others use them, sometimes for anything that occurs
Have you looked at the Detailed Search option? It will, for example, give you
a list of people whose Child Status is marked as Twin which you can then Print
or save as a CSV or PDF file. And, if you know which fields you have used to
enter the other attributes, this feature will also give
Jerry,
I'm still confused. Do you want to change to an entirely different template,
or do you want to change what you entered in a specific template?
If the former, as has been discussed, it is not possible to make a global
change. You will need to choose the new template, set up the new
I would create an event called Note (or whatever you want to call it) and
transcrihe or summarize the relevant portion(s) of the e-mail into the Note
field of the event. I would definitely NOT transcribe it into the details
field of the source citation because (1) I would have scans (I presume
Hi, Jenny,
I assumed Kathy did not have the electronic e-mails, only hard-copy print-outs
of them. If she has actual e-mails, I agree I would copy and paste.
My reason for posting, however, was to point out that if she puts the
transcriptions (or copy/paste) only in the Source, not in the
What do you mean by tool?
If you mean a website, of course I would cite the website. Just like I would
cite a book, a manuscript, an FHL microfilm, or any other object or tool that
may or may not be in existence in 200 years.
If I didn't cite the website, I might leave the impression I
Scott,
My answer is it depends upon (1) my research goals, and (2) how much time I
have. For some ancestors, for whatever reason, I'm more interested in tracking
their descendants; for others, I'm mostly interested in finding their parents,
or reconstructing the history of their lives.
But I
for how to cite sources, and then writing a dozen or more guides insisting the
style in each book is the proper one. :-)
Connie
Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote:
On 2010/10/17 05:15, Connie Sheets
wrote:
Cite Your Sources: A Manual for Documenting
Family Histories
with the Sample file, etc. I learn best by doing;
perhaps you will too.
If you have other specific questions, please ask again here.
Hope this helps a bit.
Connie Sheets
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Cite Your Sources: A Manual for Documenting and Family Histories and
Genealogical Records by Richard Lackey was published in 1986, so this is not
Legacy terminology, nor particularly recent terminology.
It is also not terminology specific to genealogy. Psychologists, historians,
librarians,
Elizabeth,
You might also want to check out the following Legacy Tip re: using the Source
Clipboard:
http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2009/12/advanced-legacy-tip-saving-time-with-the-copy-source-to-clipboard-button.html
Connie
Legacy User Group guidelines:
If you can't get it to read the way you want by creative use of the other
fields, try the Source Override tab.
Connie
--- On Fri, 10/15/10, Jerry bearjerca...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm just now getting into more
extensive use of Source Writer. How do
I change the [ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE] in
Much of the recent discussion in this thread has been related to the problems
exporting Legacy sources written with SourceWriter via GEDCOM into other
programs.
Some, if not most, of these issues, as I understand it, are due to the
limitations of GEDCOM and are not Legacy bugs.
I have found
Paul,
I've followed your thread, and my opinion is you have a problem that is not
easily replicated, nor is it one I've ever experienced (I use SourceWriter
exclusively), except when I used the Source or Event Clipboard and didn't pay
enough attention to what I was saving in Detail. In other
There should be no struggle about whether to use a Clipboard. If you are
attaching the same Event to more than one person, or the same Source to more
than one person (or more than one piece of data for a person), you are wasting
your time if you DON'T use the Clipboards. Why anyone would want
Hi, Cheryl,
Legacy is designed with both a Master Source and Source Detail. Think of the
Master Source as a book, and the Source Detail as a page in that book.
While it is possible to set up a Master Source to be just one person's death
certificate, I don't split sources to that extreme.
While I agree with Jerry's general suggestion (keep master sources more broad,
just not too broad), I draw the line differently.
I *do* keep my Master Source for US census records at the county, not the
state, level. Makes for a lot less work fiddling with details, *and* helps me
see at a
Cheryl,
Like you, most of my people are in rural areas. I use a simple place name
system, always recording the place as it was at the time the event happened.
For example,
Blythedale, Harrison Co., Missouri
Colfax Twp., Harrison Co., Missouri
Cedar Hill Cemetery, Blythedale, Harrison Co.,
The standard is going to depend upon what style manual you use. AFAIK, the
Chicago Manual of Style, for example, still requires periods after
abbreviations, but not with initialisms or acronyms (e.g. PDF files), or with
pluralizations of abbreviations.
I suspect if we actually checked all the
I do not see any responses to your questions, so let me give them a shot; my
suggestions will be prefaced with CLS (my initials) and interspersed with your
original post, below.
Hope it helps!
Connie
--- On Sun, 9/26/10, E. Wolfe e20...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi,
I've searched the archives after
Kirsten,
If there is a website for the DNA surname project, with kit numbers/id numbers
of the person listed, I would use that information and cite it as a website.
The most recent published case study that I'm aware of that relies heavily on
DNA results is Daniela Moneta's Virginia Pughs and
Judy,
I'm not sure I understand your question, as I haven't tried to change endnotes
exported from Legacy for a long time, but are you exporting to rtf with linked
or unlinked citations? See RTF Citation Style in Legacy Help for more info.
(It may not be responsive to your problem, but
In all likelihood, we would be dealing with living individuals in this
situation. Although I'm not a professional genealogist, ethics would still
require me to protect the privacy of living individuals and not release
information about them without their consent.
For those reasons, I would
I would not worry much about usual practice in this case: use Legacy the way
it most makes sense to you. Legacy gives us lots of options for a reason.
I, for example, rarely use the Text/Comments tab on Source Detail for
transcriptions *of* the source. I use it for Comments *about* the
Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote:
The Children's Settings window is
where the
relationship between a child and its parents, can be
specified. A source
can be cited here.
Also, on the Assigned Sources window, provided that you
have the 'Show
All Events box ticked, you will have
Michele S michs...@gmail.com wrote:
The reason I asked is because I thought it was how people put their family
trees on ancestry. I thought one world tree was how people put their family
trees up on ancestry, using programs like Legacy.
Since there has been extensive discussion on this list
Steve pt...@mchsi.com wrote:
Wouldn't a researcher have the persons information with the
source? One
wouldn't go to a library or county clerk with just a source
citation would
they? I don't know why I can't get my head around
this, even with the
ScourceWriter template. I have edited the
Chris,
I briefly played with Clooz and Bygones many years ago, and wrote them off as
clunky and unnecessary duplication of effort. But I didn't use them long
enough to know their full capability, so it may be you are used to some
functions that just can't be duplicated in Legacy. If so, be
Barbara Lewis lewisro...@comcast.net wrote:
All of a sudden when I click on Notes it is
blank...this is true on
all my Legacy files..all of my research is in my
notes...do I need
to reinstall?
If you normally use only the General Notes tab, look at the top of the Notes
I'm coming late to this conversation, but one question Rose asked was Or do
you find the FileID useful at all?
Count me among those who think FileIDs are worthless and happily leaves them
all blank. Of course, I have an alphabetical by surname filing system for my
paper files, subdivided if
Kathy Meyer kmeyer2...@gmail.com wrote:
what a great question!...wouldn't that be fabulous to be able to have our
possibly related documents somewhere useful in Legacy? Can't wait to hear
the responses
and juliasgenes juliasge...@yahoo.com wrote:
I literally can't tell if this 1790s John
--- On Fri, 8/13/10, Kathy Meyer kmeyer2...@gmail.com wrote:
WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE DEBATE about accuracy issues of online family trees,
can any of you give me an example of how you would document information you
obtain from one? I'm adding a source of XYZ family tree and where I found it
Ron,
I don't know about the U.K., but in the U.S., facts are not covered by
copyright. So, while I would never take someone's written narrative without
their permission, I have no qualms about documenting facts (names, dates,
places) from online family trees in my database since it is only a
I was taught many years (literally decades) ago, before personal genealogy
programs like Legacy existed, that one should not use Co. (or County), but I
think locations look silly, and confusing, without it, so I've used Co.
consistently in recent years.
I think, but am not certain, that the
It also happened to me. It is most definitely an issue on the Legacy end of
the list. It has nothing to do with the user's ISP or spam settings!
I would think Legacy would be trying to get it fixed permanently, as it has to
cause them extra work. It certainly causes me extra work reading all
There are several ways you could do this (or something quite similar).
When the contact gives me specific info/data, say in an e-mail, I attach a
Source Citation to the data/event using the e-mail template. I have also
started printing the e-mail to PDF and attaching it that way.
When it
Kevin,
Whether you are using SourceWriter or the Basic format, you will need to create
your source citation once, but then you can use the Source Clipboard to paste
the source into the multiple records.
And, as Rich has already explained, you can edit a source and create a new one.
More
Scott Hall asked questions earlier this week regarding citing US census
mortality schedules in Legacy, given that there are no Legacy templates
specifically for this purpose.
First, I have noticed that Ancestry has not necessarily posted accurate
information in their index regarding which
There are TWO reasons for citing sources, not one. Yes, we want the source
citation to be specific enough that we (or others) can find it again.
But reason #2 is equally if not more important: to tell me how much weight to
give to the evidence the source provides (and no, I'm not talking at
Bev,
No digest, as you know, but because of the LUG traffic, I set up a filter to
send all Legacy mail to one folder. That way I can read just the Legacy mail
when I want, and it makes it easier to follow the posts. I can delete topics
(or, dare I say, sometimes mail from certain senders) I
Scott,
Ron's suggestion will provide you with exactly the citation format you are
seeking, however, you will need to have a separate master source for Barack
Obama's page, another for Sarah Palin's page, etc.
That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the same
sentence
Ron,
Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he posted would
be the correct format, and that if he uses the database template, he can't
erase the word database from the citation output.
Or so I interpret.
Connie
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson
Linda,
You are, of course, welcome to cite Facebook any way you want, but for those of
us who prefer to follow current standards (which Mrs. Mills did not make up on
her own by the way; her books are based upon the Chicago Manual of Style and
earlier genealogical writers), the correct citation
Linda,
I'm not sure Facebook existed when Evidence Explained was written.
Facebook is a website, is it not? EE contains multiple examples of how to cite
websites. They all generally follow the same pattern.
Perhaps the closest example to Facebook would be her discussion of blogs on pp.
Ron,
I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post should be
interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach. It's just not for me in
all circumstances. One of the things I love about Legacy is its versatility
and ability to meet the desires and needs of both
Wes,
I don't have a duplex printer, so can't test, but have you looked at:
Family Group Sheet Report Options Page Setup Duplex and worked with those
choices which are:
Single sided
Double sided (vertical)
Double sided (horizontal)
Don't set
The same options are available on the Descendant
Lana wrote rlcb...@gotsky.com wrote:
I wouldn't cite information from a book without attempting
to properly cite
the source. I have trouble not citing a picture the
same way.
Lana
Exactly. You get information from a book. The book is your source, and you
cite the book. You attach
For your first example, you can attach the photograph to the source citation if
you like (Source Detail, Multimedia Tab). I'm not quite sure what double work
is involved, regardless of whether you attach it to the person or to the source.
For the second situation, you can always submit an
Brian,
You still want some of the citations to read 1820-1957, but you want to change
several of them to read 1897-1957, correct?
That being the case, pull up one of the citations you want to fix, edit it and
when you click on Save you will be asked whether you want to Apply the change
to ALL
Lana,
Welcome to the list and Legacy!
I think of a photograph as a source (like an old letter), not something that
needs to have a citation attached.
What would you include in the citation if you attached a source to it? That it
is a photograph of James Doe, taken about 1952, and you
Scott,
I didn't reply yesterday because I was hoping someone who knew for sure or
could explain it better would answer.
As far as I know, no, you can't do this within Legacy (unless you're replacing
a citation made with the same template). I don't know if Dennis Kowallek's
LTools would help
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