I thought that the following stackup was prefered because then every
signal is one layer from a ground plane.
1signal
2gnd
3signal
4pwr
5pwr
6signal
7gnd
8signal
But then you don't have as good decoupling between your pwr and gnd planes,
since
I'd probably do it this way (top to bottom):
sig
gnd1
pwr1
sig
sig
gnd2
pwr2
sig
Assumptions: your highest-speed parts are on the top side. gnd1 and pwr1
are your main power rails for the highest-speed parts.
Whatever you do, keep each gnd plane and it's matching pwr plane adjacent to
each
- Running the unbalanced line directly into the balanced input and taking
the
6db Gain hit... but what about the impedance mismatch?
As long as your pre-amp has low impedance (600 ohm or so) outputs and your
A/D has higher impedance inputs (10K or so), you will be OK. With these
types of
IN WIN 98 AND 2000
Speaking of win2k with servers.
I have win2k + sp3 on my workstation. The server is WIN98 lately I
keep getting these annoying dbase share error (there is no one else on
the network) The odbc errors come in bunches. tech support just gives
the stock do a clean install
All our PC's are running w2k (including the server) and the network
generally is very lightly loaded.
Can I do anything to improve these delays?
Switch your server to Linux ???
Just kidding (sort of)...
How big is the file you are loading from the server? A file will always
load faster
JaMi:
The primary point of my original post was to raise awareness of peoples
investment in their Protel Machine / Toolbox, so as to prevent problems
by
needlessly trying to multitask on that machine where certain tasks, such
as burning a CD, can be done so easily elsewhere.
There really is
Did anyone else get the message below?
It looks as if that message was sent by me, but it wasn't. Someone is
spoofing something. I sent no such message.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL
Products
Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:42 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] wierd blacklist
Have you insulted anyone today?
No, I'm falling behind on my quota...
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: John M. Cardone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:16 AM
Mark:
I only got that wierd message once this morning. And I've posted several
times to the PEDA list today. So it's probably a virus thing. But not on
my end - I've scanned my machines for viruses. Didn't find any. So maybe
someone else on this list has an infected machine? Some viruses
JaMi:
While using a separate PC for each application will certainly reduce
conflicts, it should not be necessary. You see, there is this concept
called multitasking - check it out! ;-)
I burn CDs on my Protel workstation too. And I'm not talking about MP3 CDs.
I burn CDs of our hardware
, their tech support is no help, and now my
system
won't boot. When I boot into Windows 2000 Pro, it appears to boot
normally.
In searching the web I've found that many others have come to similar
grief,
but no solutions to my specific problem. First sign of trouble is that
while
my auto-start apps
I am wondering why the need for the high temp solder? A specified
requirement? Since gold solders quite easily I can't picture the need for
the special solder.
It could be the new lead-free solders. All of these I have heard of have
higher melting points than lead-tin.
Lead is THE best
I'm newbie in Protel, and i need to make a new PCB with mixed components
(SMD and convetional) with imperial metric units.
Can anyone help me?? What is the best way to draw this?
I hope you are not designing Mars planetary exploration equipment ;-)
Better pick one or the other and stick
a lot Ivan
In case someone is not aware of what I referred to, here is a link to a news
story about the Mars Climate Orbiter that was lost due to metric/english
mishaps.
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric/
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
The synchronizer is fine on small boards. We have one backplane, a
designer recently took 4 hours to load a netlist. Using the
synchronizer
would have taken a week.
Yeow! I wonder if the netlist load and sync algorithms are one of those n^2
problems. You know, the ones where you double
Abdul:
That was not nice of you to bid up the price if you didn't want it for
yourself. You just made somebody pay more than he should have.
Stunts like this are why I have never bought anything by e-bay. Last year I
had my assistant (who is an e-bay junkie) bid on some test equipment items
: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] The going price for P99SE on Ebay
At 12:16 PM 1/9/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
That was not nice of you to bid up the price if you didn't want it for
yourself. You just made somebody pay more than he should have.
More than he should
Anand:
There is no such thing as perfectly aligned. PCBs are usually made with a
+/-0.005 in. tolerance on drill operations (hole drilling, etc.). You can
ask board shops for tighter tolerances, but it will cost you more.
For what you are trying to do, the standard +/-0.005 in. tolerance
interfere with
the
cable on the other side.
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 8:33 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] question about connectors and PCB manufacturers
snip
One other consideration
problems with this arrangement ?
please do reply ,
thanks very much
best regards
Anand Kulkarni
--
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:32:43
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
Anand:
There is no such thing as perfectly aligned. PCBs are usually made
with a
+/-0.005 in. tolerance on drill
manufacturers
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
OK, I missed the part in the original post that said straight, not
right-angle. Nevermind...
That's going to be a strange looking gizmo when the cables
are connected...
Not when
Hello, all:
I just got a brochure from Altium with all their *limited time only* new and
upgrade offers. I see that they are offering (until Dec. 31, 2002):
1) new Protel DXP for $7995
2) new Protel 99SE with free upgrade to DXP as soon as you change your OS
from Win98/NT to 2000/XP, for $7995
I can't believe the consistency that these issues show up when
support is shut-down for a US holiday. So far 3 times this year I find
myself unable to call tech support because of a US holiday. I think that
is
3 for 3 as far as the unique (not taken in Canada as well) US holidays go.
3 for 3
Ivan, don't eat too much of that Turkey, you'll drool in your
keyboard when you fall asleep with your head on the keyboard.
I'm not worried, the PC keyboard is 5V only, no hazardous voltages there.
But I could wake up with an awful bitter taste on my tongue (recalling the
times of testing a 9V
were generally flawless.The reason I did this reinstall is because I
had
virus and after spending some time hunting it down, it was quicker for me
to reformat my drive, then re load software .
Mike:
1) What virus did your PC get?
2) What were the symptoms?
3) How did you get it?
Just
came up and started working. So I will be claiming a new
wall wart, instead of complete new unit.
With few exceptions, in today's world, YOU are your own tech support.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL
Just remember that not everything that is written in a EULA is actually true
or legally enforceable. Much of EULA text is really just throwing stuff
against the wall and seeing what sticks.
For it is written: Not all that is written is wisdom. ;-)
A EULA is not a contract. A contract is
Norton has had more than its fair share of problems in the windows
environment (especially W98/ME) with Access Violations crashes
attributed
to it (all in MS KB), not a good record. It is also not reviewed well by a
lot of independent sources. But I know many people who are happy with it.
downloads even with DSL, and install the CD ROM drive, with long defrags
in
between each major group of software (to keep everything clean and packed
up
nice), and then finally Protel software (99SE w sp6, camtastic, and DXP).
While we're on the subject, I don't bother with defrag. It is
I said earlier in the same email
But remember, it is a safety cushion, not a cure/solution.
If you had read this, in the context it was intended you could have saved
a
lot of typing.
John, I didn't miss your statement. It's just that I think AV software is
not even a good safety cushion
Still, $2995 is *WAY TOO MUCH* for a schematic package. Try $495, that's
what DOS Orcad used to cost in the 80's. Don't give me that tired old
inflation argument - if inflation was a factor, why does hardware (real
physical stuff) cost less than ever and software (real physical stuff ==
$0.20
my grandmother always said i should be a garbage man, it might have been
easier!
A garbage man has more job security than an engineer, it seems...
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* To post a
Yeah, message traffic has been slow for me too.
Could be attributable to a lot of things, but mass migration to DXP is
probably not one of them.
Possiblities:
1) List server problems (probably not)
2) List censorship (maybe rants and off-topics from folks like me are being
filtered out?)
3)
Has the world come to an end?
Did I miss the meltdown?
Well, you know computers - they are always causing problems ;-)
The same week that everything is put under computer control and there are no
humans in the control loop and no off switch, is the week the world will
come to an end. Sounds
Hello, all:
I have been trying to join the Open Topic Forum for two days now, with no
success. I fill in the web form and submit it, but nothing happens. Then I
get an e-mail from the DOLIST server with help info in it. Of course, the
help info assumes I am doing something wrong or don't know
I will
sleep with the devil that I largely know and I know how to deal with most
of
it's temperamental fits.
So Protel 99SE is a succubus...who'da thunk it? ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Brad Velander [EMAIL
-
From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
On 06:36 PM 16/10/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support said:
Its a tough place so we look for REAL skills, ya know
Baseball bats are also sometimes used as weapons, if you don't have a gun
handy (yes, in the U.S. you can still
own guns, thank God!).
Ivan, I am sure the people especially in the Washington area are very
pleased about this fact at the moment.
I don't know if it's still the case, but not
-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
Baseball bats are also sometimes used as weapons, if you don't have a
gun
handy (yes, in the U.S
We have an external contractor that uses a much less spec machine and
256meg
ram,
they have a policy of formatting the HD and re-installing each time Protel
crashes.
(Personally, I think that's a bit extreme, read on...)
Wow! Extreme indeed. Do they actually manage to get any real *work*
can consider more moves (routes) ahead if you have more
computing power.
Lots of tech advances have occurred because someone said I think I can do
it better than these folks who have been doing it for 20 years...
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
The Protel AR is good for more than small TH PCBs. I have used it on SMT
multilayer boards with no problems (but some annoyances!). It doesn't crash
on me, but it will do stupid things (multiple routes from a pad to a ground
plane, for example).
If you have 1024 channels of identical ciruitry,
This machine was a victim of M$ OS BS Change a Motherboard so I can use a
new CPU and M$ thinks it is a new install even though the Network card and
HDD are the same (AGGG) so it was time to start from scratch (and
as
I was I put a new 40Gb 7200 RPM drive in as I now HAD to reinstall
Isn't there some Australian law that requires any software publisher to
publish their file formats? I thought I heard something like that years
ago - maybe it was just a rumor. If it is true, why doesn't some Australian
Protel customer call up Altium and demand the file format spec? Then
I want to build a board that will fit in place of a standard computer
motherboard. Unfortunately, there seem to be many standards. :-) The
particular computer I have to look at is made by Digital, and I have reason
to believe that it may not conform to the norm.
All the Digital PCs I have
While it is true that you do have to sign up as a member of Yahoo! Groups,
once you have done that you are free to join any of the Yahoo! Groups that
have Open Membership.
How much spam do I have to sign up for?
Seriously, one reason why I like the TechServ list is that AFAIK they don't
sell
JaMi:
You are colorblind? What color do you see when you get the Blue Screen of
Death (BSOD)? I'll bet you see the same color we all do - RED !!! ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
of a copy of Protel, one could purchase thirty-two Windows 2000 Pro
licenses
and still have change left over for a serious dinnwa.
What's a dinnwa ?
But W2K Pro won't convert his Protel 98 files either. As long as we are
doing price comparisons, for the price of P99SE ($9K ?)you could buy
The rise time is not as important as you might think. You said 30 MHz is
I disagree. The problem is when you have devices that are clocked by
strobes. Enough ringing on that strobe can cause metastability and/or
multiple clocking. If the ringing is bad enough to cause a non-monotonic
We need to come up with some kind of online blacklist (or whitelist) of PCB
fabs. I certainly would not want to be a victim of inadequate (or
fraudulent) board testing. How could we do this? Some sort of blog with
anecdotal entries?
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:
), and it was no problem.
Termination networks - what's that?
Until the engineers (not me, I was a tech then) doubled the clock rate (to
a whopping 5 MHz) on the new model - then when I plugged an extender card
into the backplane to diagnose a board, stuff quit working...
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Wow! I'm amazed that boards like that can be produced with any yield
greater than zero. And that's just for the PCB. How about the part
population process? There's gotta be at least one or two pin shorts or
opens coming off the assembly line on a board that complex!
With a board that
Don't unsubscribe, just delete this message NOW if you don't want it.
Ivan I like the way you think
For some reason I don't even see the standalone schematic as being
available
with DXP, I think it's been done away with, as in only the full boat is
available. With the integration of
Cam:
How did you test it? What were you testing for?
Twisted pairs are good for reducing interference from other sources. They
are less effective at reducing interference emitted by your device. The
principle is that EM fields fluxing through the loop area formed by your
signal conductors
As steamed as most of us are, The Borgs were right
resistance is futile
You never saw the series finale of Star Trek: Voyager, eh? It proved that
resistance is far from futile.
Now, if I could just buy a tachyon generator from some Klingon dude on eBay.
I could go back in time and tell the
Unfortunately, Roger had Cancer, and died within a short time after all of
this happened, and so I really do not know who really ended up with what
in
the end.
JaMi, how do you know he's not still alive, sitting on a South American or
Caribbean beach, sipping drinks and hanging out with Elvis
Yes Altium, I really do want my SP7
I second that motion.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September
Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel?
I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did
anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? How does this
compare?
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original
Yes, there is pin swapping within DXP. This is a horrible pox. Why would
anyone wish to declare pin 1 is really pin 5 ?
That's not what pin swapping is supposed to be. Pin swapping is where the
pins retain their proper numberings, but the nets that they are connected to
can be swapped.
I have hit monitors hard enough to break them when Protel 99 SE has
screwed
me up.
JaMi, be careful with your rage. CRTs have a vacuum inside them, and can
implode. The shower of glass shards could seriously injure you. When I was
11 years old (mid 1970's), I would salvage old TV sets from
Lots of message traffic in this KLUNK! thread...
KLUNK! reminds me of the animated cartoon series (Dastardly and Muttley in
Their Flying Machines) that featured WWI-style pilots Dick Dastardly, his
dog Muttley, and 2 screw-up sidekick pilots, one of whom was named Klunk.
Dick Dastardly and his
5. SP7 for 99SE has once again emerged as a topic of interest. The current
SP6 is not perfect, but it is certainly functional. Some serious cleanup
and
a few finishing touches could turn 99SE into a splendid, first-class
program. I wholeheartedly support the idea, and hope that a strong
hey ivan, you ought spend a half an hour and play with the DXP demo
i know you're not going to buy it, but we'd love to hear your take on
what you see
You just want to hear the humorous things I would say about it...
Seriously, I cannot justify taking the time to play with the DXP demo.
but as to #3 the answer is no it won't effect 99SE at all
it is a separate universe
But W2K is the wormhole that connects them...
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA
[About Tsien] Also, the support is almost void and the support page was
last updated
over three years ago. Not a good sign.
What is going to be Altium's support webpage policy with ATS? Will there be
searchable support FAQs, downloadable patches, and such? Will they be
available by ATS
results were worse than my results in some cases. Perhaps I am too picky
but I see no reason for 5 or six power vias near each other all connected
by
short traces on various layers to tie one pin to the power buss when just
one via would have done the job. Several acid traps and traces
Not only is that, there are still customers and small companies out there
that want only schematic capture tools at a low cost.If I am not
mistaken you can only purchase Schematic tools from Orcad and Eagle
software. Cadence reluctantly sold me the sch tools because I am such a
IMO,
I don't know if this is the same problem I've seen, but I suspect it is,
just manifesting differently on my machine (CADzilla, dual PIII-1GHz, W2K
SP2, 512MB RAM, Matrox G450, 99SE SP6)
During the loading of 99SE, if I switch the focus away from Protel, I get an
error message something like
A couple of things : If you are going to run a CAD application reserve
one machine for nothing but CAD. Do not EVER run ANYTHING else on it ,
and especialy do not use the same machine to surf the web . Boot it ,
launch protel , close protel , shutdown computer. That is all that is
OK, so how
I am amazed at the number of items that are apparently missing from
DXP according to the forum messages. Nick keeps coming in and stating that
it is coming. Why wasn't it there at release, it was an existing
feature/function in P99SE? This is what I mean by incompetent, they
release
a new
See replies below.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: vincent mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bizzare and Repeatable
Dump the w95
Vincent:
You want me to buy a lot of new stuff. I don't think it's my responsibility
to single-handedly dig us out of the recession! ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: vincent mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA
i have never had an IDE die (knock on wood)
My experience also.
at one point i got a scsi scanner (HP)
it wouldn't run on my scsi system (built by MICRON for $5K)
it insisted on ONLY running on the crappy scsi controller they packaged
with it
after plugging that in i got it running, but
Probahly my last posting on here because there are no new issues here
Don't trip on the pile of dead hard drives buggy video cards, or the wheel
mouse cords, or slip on the coaster CDs, on your way out! ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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or not to DXP,
Wamnet
Re: [PEDA] to DXP or not to DXP,
Bagotronix Tech Support
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Re: [PEDA] to DXP or no
If this is the best that a trained Situs user can produce, I am not
impressed at all. I wonder what the yields of these designs would be in a
real production environment.
Situs - sounds like Klytus, the evil henchman of Ming the Merciless in the
Flash Gordon fiction.
Well, I consider myself
Yea it is my only Compaq, and maybe my last. Compaq may be smarter than
the rest of the industryThey have built hardware speciifially to run a
specific OS. Sounds like an Apple Computer doesnt it?
Making crappy proprietary hardware, becoming reviled in the industry for
poor
may make it virtually impossible for any competing OS to exist if the
secured
PC catches on.
I don't disagree with your statement. But if this were to happen, it would
be suicide for the U.S. tech industry. We would instantly become
uncompetitive with other countries around the world. Other
Mike:
I hope that one Compaq is the only one you ever bought. I had one some
years ago (PII-266) and it was absolute junk. Yes, Compaq does make
proprietary version of Windows for their PCs. How smart is that - a
proprietary version of a proprietary OS? Compaq does everything they can
to be
Glad to know AOL isn't part of the problem! Yes, it can be a pain when
you
are away from home, but the spammers are drowning us in garbage.
Yeah, we get tons of spam too. No, we don't use AOL, MSN, hotmail, or any
of the notorious spam magnets. Typically 50 - 90% of the e-mail to our
sales
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-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:59 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] OT: Spoofed email address (was: (Un)subscribe!!!)
The spammers must
be profiling
I used Eudora for a while when I first got online back in the mid-90's.
That was back in Win3.1 days.
I'm a cheapskate, and don't want to pay for e-mail software such as Eudora.
Also, any e-mail software that I might switch to must be supported under
Windows and Linux, because I am trying to
Also, any e-mail software that I might switch to must be supported under
Windows and Linux, because I am trying to phase M$ out.
Very ambitious plan. About when do you expect to have M$ phased out of
your company? ;)
When W2K is no longer sold or supported. At that time, we would either
Don't you need a Mac to run OS-X on? I'm not interested in Macs. Art
services drive me crazy with their incompatible Apple file formats. Every
time I get some ad art done, I can't even open it on my own PC. Besides, I
can't stand those goofy cases some of the Mac models use.
I take it that
Gareth:
If you really have 99SE running on Linux, don't unsubscribe! Stay
subscribed so you can keep us updated on how it goes. Lists aren't just for
gimme, gimme, gimme, you should give some too. If you can't stand the flame
wars, just delete the messages without reading them. Works for me.
Oops, I hope the (un)subcriber automaton doesn't think I want to
(un)subscribe just because I replied to a subject line that had
(un)subscribe in it. Keep me in here!
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: Gareth Bradley
You need to make sure YOU don't have a virus. Some of these viruses can
rifle through your address book and send e-mails without you knowing about
it.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA
$900 !!! Wow!!! (new subscriber price) That's 2 car payments, or 400+
McDonalds' 1/4-pounders, or 1800 movie tickets to the local bargain
afternoon matinee theater. Just for some SMT footprints!
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:42 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Philips Wave and Reflow Footprints(Ex:IPC
Footprint
St andards
Why don't they watch where the DXP message traffic is (here)? Instead of
where they wish it was (there)?
Seriously, I don't have time to register for all the variant lists that some
may propose, i.e. the list of all Protel 99SE users who never owned v2.8,
are thinking about upgrading to DXP,
.
Brian Guralnick
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
| Why is anybody bothering with a lousy piece of software
As for market forces on software prices, I'm going to do my part. I'm
done buying any new Microsoft OS's after Win2K (due to their licensing
and privacy policies) and Altium (because of pricing/support/utility
-per-dollar issues). So I guess I may only be one person, but I'm
voting with my
i think the time use model is a future certainty, UCITA already allows
remote disabling of users software more or less at the vendor's will
UCITA may allow it, but my buying policy does not allow it. If I buy a copy
of software I should be able to use it as long as I want to. If a software
prevent
mistakes. When you give schematics to a tech, they need to see explicit
power pin connections, otherwise they don't know where to probe.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum
The personal electronics industry is a freak among industries. You must
agree with that?
Well, it's a BIG freak, then. So big that it is regarded as the norm by
anyone not in the industry.
Even in your example lies cable modem service that has gone up and up.
Tell
me why? They say it's
Exactly my point. Nothing can beat a PCB designer with 10 years
experience. Computers are simply not smart and not adaptive enough. Most
board tools are programmed by people that have never made a board in
their
life. And layout people wouldn't be caught dead writing programs.
A number of
I wonder if the software can tell, during installation, which version you
actually had and refuse to install if it's not the upgrade jump you paid
for?
IMO, I think it's a shady business practice to charge someone more for an
upgrade just because they skipped a version. That's the same as
to offer a discount, really.
Rene
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
I wonder if the software can tell, during installation, which version
you
actually had and refuse to install if it's not the upgrade jump you
paid
for?
IMO, I think it's a shady business practice to charge someone more
Rene:
1) Charging people the same amount for one big upgrade as all the missed
upgrades
2) Forcing people buy each upgrade even if they don't want it
1 is functionally equivalent to 2. And vice versa.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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