At 09:35 PM 7/31/2002 -0700, Michael Reagan (EDSI) wrote:
>Abdul wrote
>AND WELCOME BACK!
Thanks. China is quite a place not what I expected.
> > Suppose the worst designer reading this list knows how to accomplish the
> > task? Should he keep it to himself?
> >
>No that automatically req
At 04:10 PM 8/1/2002 -0400, yves Dubois wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I am routing a 4-layer board with only through hole components.
>
>I need to connected the supply pins of my IC's to the supply plane but I
>would like to go through a decoupling cap first.
>
>Is there an easy way for have those pins not
At 02:20 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, Phillip Stevens wrote:
>It turns out that unless you already have a yahoo groups user ID and
>password you can use, you end up going through the sign-up rigmarole
>anyway...it seems to be a direct link to an indirect sigh up process.
This is not correct.
To subscrib
either find someone who has PCAD (such as Mira, I
think, who has offered to help) or get the PCAD demo from acceltech.com.
Full-function, free, 30 day.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES
PCB design, consulting, and training
Protel EDA license resales
Easthampton, Massachusetts, USA
(41
At 02:32 PM 8/3/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>I have been warning friends and family about
>what is happening with software licensing, with mixed results. I get a lot
>of apathy. It will be that way until one day they turn on their PC and it
>says (names changed to protect the guil
ould
make it a point to check this out in DXP; I had occasion to do a design in
the micron range (2 micron track and space) and things can get a little
flaky down there. CAMtastic is hopeless below 0.1 mil.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES
PCB design, consulting, and training
Pro
At 03:33 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote:
>You're going to need help (a volunteer) with a one time conversion. Someone
>with PCAD will have to read the bin, save it as ascii and send it to you. I
>have an old PCAD seat here which would probably do the trick, but it's not
>installed right n
At 06:43 PM 8/2/2002 -0500, Matt Pobursky wrote:
>On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:32:40 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
> >if they would just try making some real boards themselves ...
>
>A brilliant idea.
So brilliant, in fact, that it has already been, more or less, implemented
(to what degree I don't k
At 06:37 PM 8/4/2002 +0100, John Ross wrote:
>I have a few samples, all in 99SE I am afraid, as I wont spend the time on
>DXP as it does not offer any of the added features I would use, or worth
>paying ATS for. It will be more cost effective for me to spend the time
>evaluating other vendors o
At 10:28 AM 8/9/2002 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
> I did a quick test trying to globally select all copper that was "no
>net", it failed miserably. It was actually selecting copper that was
>assigned to other nets.
It's a known bug, at leat I think it has been reported before. I don't
re
At 12:41 AM 8/10/2002 +0800, Katinka Mills wrote:
>I have a 2 layer PCB with top and bottom ground planes (like to balance up
>my copper) how do I hilight dead copper, I do not want to remove it, just
>need to see it so I can add vias to make it not dead :o)
As has been noted, there is a remove d
At 03:44 PM 8/9/2002 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
>Abd ul-Rahman,
> Could you please elaborate on why you find it difficult to copy a
>polygon to another layer?
temporary amnesia. :-) Thanks to Brad from me for reminding me.
**
The winner of a useless personal argument is the one who first realizes it
is useless and who therefore walks away from it, leaving the other(s)
raving before an audience which no longer includes this winner (or at least
he gives little or no sign of still being present).
One who is most inten
At 02:36 PM 8/13/2002 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
>We bought a couple special-deal copies of Protel 99SE from
>Altium here recently, and they've been in-house now for a
>a while. I believe part of the deal on the cheapness was
>that it didn't upgrade automatically to DXP, and maybe not
>
At 01:50 PM 8/14/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>Oops, I hope the (un)subcriber automaton doesn't think I want to
>(un)subscribe just because I replied to a subject line that had
>(un)subscribe in it. Keep me in here!
It won't unsubscribe you. I think the server ignores the subject l
At 03:57 PM 8/14/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>You need to make sure YOU don't have a virus. Some of these viruses can
>rifle through your address book and send e-mails without you knowing about
>it.
That's true; however, particularly with Klez, it has become normal for
viruses I
At 12:11 PM 8/14/2002 +0200, Schmitt Michael wrote:
>We want to write an external converter from our Hf microstrip design tools
>to import layout informations into Protel 99SE, by using the PCB 2.8 ASCII
>File Format as temporary data exchange file.
Actually, the 99SE ASCII data structure is self
At 05:46 PM 8/15/2002 -0400, Matt Daggett wrote:
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26517.html
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25956.html
This was in response to a request for a source for the information given in
a previous post:
>Also if anyone is thinking about installing Win2
At 07:34 AM 8/16/2002 -0700, Brian Sherer wrote:
>Edi,
>
>I have Eudora 4.0.1 and can find no option for supressing display
>of HTML. Where do I find that switch?
Why not get Eudora 5.1?
Anyway, in 5.1, I don't recall about version 4, Tools/Options/Viewing mail.
Uncheck "Use Microsoft Viewer."
At 10:51 AM 8/15/2002 -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
>I have always been under the belief that if you make a part of a trace/track
>thin you might as well make the *entire* trace/track that width. (holding
>even more true in power & ground runs. in which case the thin run could
>almost act as a fuse.?
At 01:06 PM 8/15/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>I'm a cheapskate, and don't want to pay for e-mail software such as Eudora.
>Also, any e-mail software that I might switch to must be supported under
>Windows and Linux, because I am trying to phase M$ out.
Just for the record, Eudora v
It used to be that drill drawings with symbols were bombsighted to get
drill locations. That went out long ago. So the symbol locations on a drill
drawing are now only reference data. The only remaining use, really, is for
quickly checking drill sizes on parts on the board.
And for this purpos
with Altium first, and if you strike out there, I would
> > suggest checking with Mr. Lomax, as he may have a license or two for sale.
I do in fact have a license for sale, $4500 for a pre-free-upgrade license
(i.e., figure $6500 for DXP, upgrade at your leisure....)
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
LOM
At 04:23 PM 8/30/2002 -0400, Michael Reagan (EDSI) wrote:
>I probably would pay for SP7 with as long as they met the long list of our
>requirements also.
I too have been put off by the complexities introduced with DXP. If it had
been, say, a bug fix for 99SE, at a corresponding price, there is
At 12:31 PM 9/4/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
>I say again: Route all your critical nets manually, lock 'em down, and then
>let AR do the rest. Then clean up after it.
>My guess is they are still using the Neurorouter code and just don't know
>how it works, so they cannot improve u
as a default, it makes all manual routing
easier. If I *want* a loop, I just turn it off temporarily.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES
PCB design, consulting, and training
Protel EDA license resales
Easthampton, Massachusetts, USA
(413) 527-3881, efax (419) 730-4777
www.lomaxdesign.com
At 09:02 AM 9/5/2002 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>Is it possible in 99SE to have a round pad with a
>10 mil gap through the center to create a jumper
>that you solder when a connection is required?
>I know that the "Lomax Virtual Short" is similar
>but we want a single pad (or two halves of a pad)
>
At 11:25 AM 9/9/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote:
>What a small world! :)
Indeed. The return address given in the "complaint" mail was on a server in
Beijing, if it was legitimate. However, as was correctly observed, the
source of the mail was, from the headers, a server for Kollmorgen. As it
At 09:18 AM 9/10/2002 -0400, Matt Daggett wrote:
>Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
>
> > (2) If you really want to do something about spam, look into Spamcop.com.
>
>I think you mean spamcop.net - spamcop.net will process spam to find
>originating IP, and will offer to s
At 07:37 PM 9/10/2002 +0200, Heiko Vachek wrote:
>And as far as I remember, it never happened that
>they released a SP after the release of a major upgrade.
There was a final service pack for Protel 98, I don't recall the exact
timing, but I think it was simultaneous with the release of SP1 (or
At 10:48 AM 9/11/2002 -0400, Watnoski, Michael wrote:
>Daniel,
>Just use the link that's at the bottom of the page when you receive
>a message.
>-Original Message-
>From: Daniel Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:39 PM
>To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
>Subject:
At 03:08 PM 9/11/2002 +0100, John A. Ross \[Design\] wrote:
>I got one containing an attachment called rock.exe which is the Klez beast
>but the attachment was auto deleted by AV S/W at server
>
>It was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from [EMAIL PROTECTED] , vmadmin.com
>is an e-mail marketing company.
At 09:54 AM 9/16/2002 -0400, Darryl Newberry wrote:
>(Of course, cynics will note that this could indicate deep financial trouble
>and desire to limit the damage!)
No, a real cynic would suspect that Altium planned to do this all along :-)
Note that the announcement itself indicates that use
At 01:24 PM 9/16/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote:
>Like I said before, I think Altium is unique in this area and your
>marketing team should take full advantage of that. It should be in your
>new print ads, all over the website, etc.
Usually engineer/designer types have few good words to say abo
At 05:04 PM 9/17/2002 +0200, Wojciech Oborski wrote:
While I have succesfully transformed our old OrCAD SDT libraries into
>Protel (through OrCAD Capture) and there were only minor issues to correct,
>I haven't heard of any way of opposite translation.
The OrCAD SDT library format, decompiled, i.
At 05:53 PM 9/16/2002 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
> are you aware that you must put the copied data in the "copy
>attributes" box where it appears on the horizontal row. For those fields
>that have this box, the copied data (in this case the symbol name) must
>appear in this box. Replace
At 02:21 PM 9/16/2002 -0700, Daniel Webster wrote:
>lease help me to understand this. While ATS is said to be scraped (Thank
>you Altium, this is a very encouraging development, and as one of the long
>time customers, convinces me to take another hopeful look at continuing with
>Protel software),
At 10:49 AM 9/17/2002 -0700, Mark Koitmaa wrote:
>Maybe your fab house can do better, but the ones I've used need at least
>5.5 mils around a via hole to prevent break out of the hole wall. This is
>what we use as minimum annular ring. For a decent fab yield we need at
>least 3 mils air gap to
At 05:09 PM 9/24/2002 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
>I don't think there is any automated way to do this, but it should not be a
>very difficult process, and should not take more than an hour even for a
>fairly complex board.
That's pretty optimistic, I'd say wildly optimistic, having done quite a
fe
At 06:10 PM 9/24/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote:
>Dump primitives are just that: dumb. The tools have no idea they are
>vias, pads, etc. (except for that thing I mentioned at the top) If
>you're lucky, the vias and pads are different sizes, so you could search
>for the size of the vias, and sele
At 03:38 PM 9/25/2002 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
> just discovered this minor P99SE Sp6 bug today. Exporting a database
>to ACAD R13 DWG format (have no time to check other formats), if you have
>tented vias the exported file ignores the tenting and outputs soldermask
>voids for all vias.
At 09:01 AM 9/27/2002 -0500, Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
>I've drawn a schematic and now I'm attempting to interactively
>route the traces to match some old artwork, but I've run into
>some guard traces that I haven't got in the schematic. At
>least I think they are guard traces. They have a v
At 08:49 AM 9/30/2002 +1000, Ian Capps wrote:
>Others have mentioned the compacting so try that first. If that doesn't help
>try moving your completed mech layers to separate pcb file for storage
>purposes.
Since we know that Mr. Robison is using massive bitmaps, this may well be
one source of
At 09:37 AM 9/30/2002 -0700, Brad Velander wrote:
>Tim,
> first my observations. I have always found that 45 degree polygons
>are a lot slower than 90 degree polygons at repouring.
Not surprising, since the math is quite a bit more complex
> Since yours is
>completely filled I don't
At 08:32 AM 10/2/2002 -0700, Graham wrote:
>We do experience real problems opening P98 databases with P99SE, SP6, W2K.
>Power ports are mostly missing or misplaced, sometimes whole components are
>lost. This is an issue I raised during an Altium training course, but
>received
>more sympathy tha
il grid, the calculated midpoint
may be on any grid, it will not be restricted to 5 or 10 mils.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
LOMAX DESIGN ASSOCIATES
PCB design, consulting, and training
Protel EDA license resales
Easthampton, Massachusetts, USA
(413) 527-3881, efax (419) 730-4777
www.lom
At 04:53 PM 10/3/2002 -0400, as dicta, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned:
>(PEDA self-proclaimed "chair"
I would think that Mr. Jenkins is referring to me, though I am not
self-proclaimed except in the most literal sense (i.e., sometimes my
signature includes the title and thus I am proclaiming it).
At 12:28 PM 10/5/2002 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote:
>the comment field is not exposed in the PCB lib editor, but of course it
>is in the PCB editor
I very much doubt that the "comment" field exists in the PCB library. It is
meaningless there, just as the reference designator is meaningless ther
At 09:19 AM 10/14/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>And that, in liue of the useless blather about "Four ways may not be used
>for any reason" coming from the two-year school, is all that matters.
My, my, what a way with words! Mr. Jenkins could write a book, "How to
offend and drive away pe
At 09:48 AM 10/14/2002 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a board with 9 Keepout areas meant to keep out a copper plane
> pour on the top side. The first time the copper is poured the areas are
> kept copper free. But after selecting the fills and moving them aside
> when they are bro
At 12:51 PM 10/17/2002, Fred A Rupinski wrote:
"If you are using an older operating system such as Windows NT, 98 or 95,
and have been unable to trial Protel DXP, Altium has made the transition
easy with the 'Protel 99 SE to Protel DXP Migration Pack'. You can start
designing today with Protel'
At 03:26 PM 10/31/2002 +0100, Peder K. Hellegaard wrote:
I have a Protel 99SE license for sale. Interested ?
Please send off-group to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
One notice was, at least, enough; two posts to this list in a few days is
definitely too much.
There is a mailing list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] For
At 08:51 AM 11/8/2002 +1100, Linden Doyle wrote:
Hi all,
I've been getting very little traffic from the forum in the past week.
Is it just my system or has everybody gone to the DXP forum?
Messages are at the 3 or 4 a day level where previously 20 per day would not
be uncommon.
I see a lot mor
At 04:51 PM 11/8/2002 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The printout I have suggests that for no rotation, do not use the rotation
parameter. IMHO it sounds like the manufacturer's interpretation of the
gerber data is not correct.
Based on my recollection:
That is the same error that Protel made,
At 02:56 PM 11/7/2002 -0800, Brad Velander wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman,
since you mention the Yahoo archive, what is with it recently? Last
week I went to check for a message that I had deleted and the archive was
only current to Oct 18th. Is it maintained manually by someone or is it
automatic?
At 04:49 PM 11/8/2002, JaMi Smith wrote:
Actually, I think it is indicitave of the fact that most people have just
had their fill of Protel.
What one thinks may say more about oneself than about others.
Traffic has been high recently, in fact. When it is low, perhaps people are
busy, I know I
At 11:41 AM 11/9/2002, Fred A Rupinski wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm confident DXP
> will be the place to be, soon, if not now.
Again, can you share with us the specific
At 02:18 PM 11/10/2002, I wrote:
...next time I see an MCM with more than thirty or so layers, I will be
*forced* to use DXP.
Somehow I had gotten it in my mind that DXP increases the number of signal
layers. It does not; rather it -- reportedly -- correctly displays and
supports blind and bur
At 05:28 PM 11/12/2002, Fabian Hartery wrote:
Flaming Altium in this list appears to be useless. Altium never
forced any of its user's to pay for undesired upgrades right away. It did
apparantly appear so for a while. Henceforth, they cancelled ATS and in my
eyes this was an apparent apology.
Wh
At 10:09 PM 11/12/2002, Andrew Jenkins wrote:
Actually, Flaming Altium has apparently resulted in Altium beginning to
listen to users, sans ATS, etc.
What was effective was the cogent and coherent commentary of users who
found problems with, for example, ATS. I really doubt that much, if
anyth
At 02:53 AM 11/19/2002, JaMi Smith wrote:
The following post is the second of two that I am reposting to the PEDA
Forum because I believe that it contains very important information which I
believe is important to notify all Protel 99 and DXP customers and users of,
since it may personally financi
At 03:52 PM 11/19/2002, Brad Velander wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman,
your comments are quite valid. However Altium is already refusing
the transfer of licenses on Accel products. I know this because I tried to
obtain permission to sell 3 Accel licenses recently. How long do you think
that separate
At 05:05 PM 11/19/2002, Mike Reagan wrote:
But Altium is no way obligated to honor the sale or transfer of the software
either
Right. A software company would have a devil of a time trying to enforce
copyright against a user who paid the original purchaser for a full
transfer of the original u
At 12:25 PM 11/21/2002, Mike Reagan wrote:
You didnt mention if this was a result of a split plane passing thru the
hole.This is the only time I have ever encountered a short in which the
DRC did not catch it. Actually it is the only DRC that has ever failed for
me.
If I am correct, such
At 03:45 PM 11/21/2002, Mike Reagan wrote:
Are the traces you drew intersecting or going thru the holes? The DRC
will not check for traces on the planes under any conditions.
- Original Message -
From: Dave Eloranta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mike, I have no split planes passing thru the hol
the ability to import gerber files is extremely useful, not just for
checking the gerber.
as others have suggested, using Protel for checking gerber suffers from the
problem that errors in intepreting the gerber standards may be duplicated
in the import routines. They could *not* be considered
At 03:02 PM 11/25/2002, Ian Wilson wrote:
On 07:32 AM 25/11/2002 -0600, Matt Pobursky said:
Also, Eudora uses Microsoft's (IE) HTML rendering engine so it will be
susceptible to the same script-based security issues that come with it.
It can *optionally* use the IE HTML renderer. It can be tur
At 05:09 PM 11/28/2002, Brad Velander wrote:
Here is my issue. Generating Gerbers of a not very complex board (I
did this on a much more complex board 2 days ago with no problem), the
output Gerber on numerous layers contains inverted circular arcs in numerous
locations where polygons shou
At 03:27 AM 12/5/2002, Hegyesi Gyula wrote:
I seem to have to repost this again and again...
And then quoted a detailed knowledge base article. I think one point
deserves more attention, even though it has been mentioned: the router may
fail to initialize if there are any component primitives
At 09:43 PM 12/5/2002, Sanders, Dave wrote:
Thanks to all who replied to this thread.
All the suggestions were tried, but still no joy.
Have now bit the bullet and started again.
(Why on earth couldn't the software designers be a little more informative
than a cryptic "Unable to Initialize"?? )
At 04:56 PM 12/7/2002, Andrew Jenkins wrote:
When I "grab" an entity within the P99SE Schematic editor, specifically
one such as a wire or wire-end, I have a difficult time actually attaching
my cursor to the entity, unless I have magnified the local area to an
often unacceptable zoom level.
Mr. Wilson has ably answered the questions, I have a little to add.
At 08:26 PM 12/15/2002, you wrote:
On 08:44 PM 15/12/2002 -0400, Tim Fifield said:
Can anyone explain the Lomax virtual short used for a GND neck and how it
would be used on an internal layer with 2 polygon planes? Can this be u
At 04:28 PM 1/8/2003, JaMi Smith wrote:
For those that may have missed it, the going price for the P99SE at auction
on "ebay" this morning was US $2,328.00.
That's more like it! Ebay is not a great place to sell Protel licenses, not
great for the seller, that it. Buyers aren't usually looking t
At 12:16 PM 1/9/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
That was not nice of you to bid up the price if you didn't want it for
yourself. You just made somebody pay more than he should have.
"More than he should have." What is that? I was not aware that there was
any fixed standard for the resale
At 08:03 PM 1/10/2003, JaMi Smith wrote:
The first bid came in this morning at US $0.58 (fifty eight cents), and it
is now up to US $6.05.
It's up to $810 at the moment. That's Aussie dollars. Although I have
purchased a license from Australia, it can be done, I'm not likely to go
after this o
At 01:25 PM 1/14/2003, JaMi Smith wrote:
Is he(?) selling duplicate copies?
Perhaps he really is liscensed for multiple seats, and legitamately just
doesn't need them any more.
I find that somewhat unlikely, though, of course, not impossible. *Anyone
buying a Protel license is strongly urged t
At 03:04 PM 1/17/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, call me dumb, but I am having a hard time understanding how the DRC
even comes into play, since the clearance constraint is, by definition, a
constraint on copper layers only. Since the silkscreen is not a copper
layer, the clearance constraint
At 02:32 PM 1/17/2003, Robert M. Wolfe wrote:
Hello,
I believe there was a thread on this subject which
also had split neg. planes within its thread. I never
really ended up with an answer.
So dealing with polygons and not split planes,
what is the proper way to handle plane within plane.
I do rem
At 04:30 PM 1/17/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frankly, I don't even understand concerns about silkscreen and pads. The
silkscreen simply will not be printed over the solder area, since the
pad-mask prevents adherence of the ink to these areas.
The "component clearance" rule is not about the si
At 03:31 PM 1/20/2003, JaMi Smith wrote:
Respecting your having one larger Polygon Plane over several smaller ones, I
am assuming that you are speaking of the case where the smaller ones are of
a different net.
If this is the case, you would then be relying on Protel to not flood over
the smaller
At 12:08 AM 1/18/2003, Robert M. Wolfe wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman
Isn't this just really saying the silkscreen IS the defining factor
No. The "extents" of the footprint are the defining factor in 99SE, if I am
correct -- I didn't check it. Often the silkscreen is the outermost primitive.
IMHO t
At 10:16 PM 2/6/2003, Peter W. Richards wrote:
Can someone explain to me how buses & hierarchy work in Protel (99SE sp6?)
It can be a tad tricky. The key is in understanding how the netlister
recognises what is connected to what. And there is a program shortcoming
that requires a workaround.
At 06:13 PM 2/12/2003, Peter W. Richards wrote:
In Viewdraw, the 'bus label' connecting to the submodule's port determines
what gets hooked to what. If draw a bus with label FOO[7,5,3,1] connected
to a submodule port BAR[0:3] you get exactly what you
drew--FOO[7]->BAR[0], FOO[5]->BAR[1], etc.
At 12:14 AM 2/14/2003, Ian Wilson wrote:
I know, Mike, that you get netlists often rather than P99SE sch so this is
not always a solution, but the synch deals with the duplicate pins
correctly, I think. I don't use duplicate pins (as it I don't like the
risks), but I think others have stated th
At 06:53 PM 2/16/2003, you wrote:
I have no doubt the syncronizer works but it doesnt work for me when my 70
percent of my customers are using Orcad and the rest are using Viewlogic. I
have no use for the syncornizer.
Certainly in that case you must use Netlists. Otherwise the synchronizer
(
At 09:27 PM 2/20/2003, Mike Reagan wrote:
. But, as I mentioned, Clear can wipe out some of your work if you
> use any primitives with net assignments that are not explicitly connected
> with positive copper to pads with that net.
Nah, Nah Abdul
Clear will not wipe out any of your work. Load th
At 07:11 AM 2/15/2003, Mike Reagan wrote:
This is 2003, hard to believe some of these guys are
designing some of America's best fighting hardware.
Yes, many engineers think it is too much work to create clean schematics,
and some of them don't even get it when their designs come back with
serious
At 12:56 AM 2/24/2003, Ian Wilson wrote:
You can extract netlists and do a net compare (between two Sch netlists),
this is possibly the closest you will get in the P99 environment. You can
also do a diff on the Sch if saved in ASCII format but this will possibly
produce garbage output as there
At 09:07 PM 2/21/2003, Mike Reagan wrote:
The four steps work without failure, every time. I do not trust a netlist
load without clearing first because as we all know we don'ts know which
cycle even or odd the load is on.
Sure we do. Just look at the macros. If they all remove net nodes, ywe have
lve having an actual primitive in the space). A
primitive may *appear* to be outside the workspace but have something, say
an invisible piece of comment text, inside the workspace.
It is better to "Select All" then Deselect Inside, i.e., deselect what you
do not want to move.
Ab
At 06:23 AM 6/20/2003, you wrote:
Ah, and I nearly forgot. Can DXP do symbol pin entry through a text file or
spreadsheet? If not forget it.
And if so would you *not* forget it?
Protel parts can be created through spreadsheet techniques. You do have to
know how to use the spreadsheet
In fac
At 05:40 AM 6/20/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strange this, I am going in exactly the opposite direction. I used Orcad
for 8 yrs until my present job introduced me to Protel.
Is it surprising that Mr. Gillatt hated Protel? He expected it to work like
OrCAD. It doesn't. For someone coming from e
At 04:29 AM 6/23/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you very much, this does make sense but where the hell is supporting
documentation from Protel. I am very, very sure that these instructions
don't appear in my 99SE manual.
The instructions given in the post to which Mr. Gillat is responding
While the intention to provide a utility to Protel users is appreciated, it
is very bad form to send any attachments to a mailing list without
permission. At one time this list was set to reject attachments, it appears
that this has been lost. This is a serious security issue.
A number of us ha
At 11:20 AM 7/11/2003, you wrote:
we panelize in PCB everyday (without going the gerber route)
you have to be careful of course
Indeed.
As has been mentioned, P99SE is not the best tool for panelization.
CAMtastic may be better, it is designed for that.
Some layers in Protel are called "calculat
At 01:55 AM 7/16/2003, Brett Jeffery wrote:
I want to do global edits to footprints in a (non integrated) PCB library.
Next best thing might be to place all footprints on a temporary PCB, make my
changes and then use 'Design/Make PCB Library' to go back to a library
format. Is there an easy way do
At 08:46 PM 7/11/2003, you wrote:
we have had great success panelizing in Protel as i mentioned previously
Elsewhere Mr. Saputelli made it clear that he was referring to combining
different boards as one possible objective.
If the board has no calculated layers, nothing that will depend on net
i
At 11:34 AM 7/24/2003, Brad Velander wrote:
In this one sheet that was quite packed with components, we
removed a purchased bandpass filter that was represented as a schematic
symbol block with a few pins, it was in the middle of the packed
schematic sheet. In it's place I stuck a small
At 07:21 PM 7/24/2003, you wrote:
Bill,
I am not sure if you missed a detail in your description or by
using the netlist format output, there is something different occurring
than I experience. I use the synchronizer and I typically always use Nets
and Ports global, it works great with g
At 08:21 PM 7/24/2003, Brad Velander wrote:
Chris,
why is the net connectivity called "Net Labels and Ports Global"?
This seems to be the root of the problem, call it semantics or call it a
bug, the statement implies ports and nets are both treated globally. But
it is becoming apparent t
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