Re: [Gimp-user] High Dynamic Range (HDR) Images
Richi Plana wrote: Hi, Is it currently possible to make HDR images http://www.backingwinds.blogspot.com/2006/10/how-to-create-professional-hdr-images.html using The Gimp? If yes, how is it done? Are there scripts available to make the process easy/ier? -- Richi Plana I stumbled on that page today (linked in the comments of LWN article on HDR): http://madprime.org/articles/2006/08/06/hdr-photos It is an example of HDR with Gimp. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP throwing away TIFF tags
Paul Surgeon wrote: Is there some way to tell GIMP to preserve TIFF tags even if they're not known? If not can I file this as a bug? Tags shouldn't just be thrown away. Paul Hi Paul, To complement Sven's reply, I would just add that the TIFF specification, section 7, page 26, recommends that TIFF editors (applications that modify TIFF files) discards tags/fields/IFD they do not understand. To be more precise, the wording is: It is unnecessary—and possibly dangerous—for an editor to copy fields it does not understand because the editor might alter the file in a way that is incompatible with the unknown fields. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] transparent objects on and gif
Alex Moreno wrote: Good afternoon everybody, im trying to export this image from png to gif because of the IE problems: Have your tried the solution proposed by microsoft to have PNG transparency in IE ? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q294714 GIF format cannot do transparency, just cut-through. For drop shadow, you need transparency. Metaphors/comparisons always end up being broken, but imagine a concrete house wall with a wooden door and some windows. GIF is like the wooden door: closed, you do not see through at all, opened, it is not in the frame, so you can see through the frame what is inside the house. (It does not mean the door is transparent, just that is is opened). PNG is like the windows: you can see through, there are made of glass, a transparent material. Some are dusty and you see through, although attenuated, some have curtains, and you see only a little through them, some others are clean and you see through them like if they were opened. Best regards, Olivier http://bodaestilo.com/templates/bodaestilo/images/content-top.png http://bodaestilo.com/templates/bodaestilo/images/content-top.png to get the effect that you can see on http://bodaestilo.com of transparent shadow bellow the text. The question is that when i try to export to gif the transparency dissepears. I´ve been trying different things with no luck. Can anyone help me please? -- Alejandro Moreno Servicios de marketing online en tdo.es http://tdo.es ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
Anthony Ettinger wrote: On 1/22/07, Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/07, Scott Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 4:46 am, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I've been through this before, I usually just change the bg of the image to the one i'm using, but with #99cc00; as my body bg, I cannot for the life of me, save that same color. I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. I created an image and filled it with the color you specified, then saved it as a png. No problem. I opened it in Gimp to see if there is some problem with that color in png's and Gimp. Again, no problem. Can you describe exactly what you are doing and point to an example? Create an html page with background-color of #9c0; then do the same with the image in GIMP, and save as PNG. I'm seeing color variation. I made a test case: http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.html I see no problem at all on XP with FF2, Opera 9 or IE7, they all look fine on your page (i.e. same colour for image and backgoround). However, I remember I had a similar problem many years ago with a Macintosh. I think it was related to Gamma correction. Apples had (and probably still have) a different gamma setting, and this was creating a difference then (probably because my PNG did not contain the Gamma information then). Check that your PNG contains the Gamma information, and that your browsers can use it. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Creating a 16:9 anamorphic image in Gimp
Jean-Michel Pouré wrote: Dear Friends, Hello, this is my post on Gimp user mailing list. I have been using Gimp for several years, without the need to post a help message. Why ? Probably because Gimp is so EASY to learn. Never say never, here is my first question related to video: I would like to creata PAL 16:9 anamorphic title in Gimp. What resolution and settings should I choose? My display is an LCD monitor. I did not find how to set up PAL 16:9 anamorphic resolution in Gimp. Are you sure your monitor is 16:9 ? Most wide screen laptops use 16:10. For example, my desktop monitor is 1920x1200, which is 16:10 format. Normal 16:9 format for HDTV is 1920x1080. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp: search for layer effects scm...
durumdara wrote: Hi ! I search for the script that containing same functions like in Photoshop. It can Add Border, Emboss, Add Shadow, etc. the actual layer. But I hasn't found in the net. Is anyone have it, and send it to me ? Thanks for it: dd First link that google returns for layer effects gimp is : http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=6988 Isn't it what you are looking for ? Details at http://users.telenet.be/ev1/gimplayereffects_en.html Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp: how get the size of the selection ?
durumdara wrote: Hi ! How get the size of the selection ? Anywhere I found a statistics/info window where this data presented ? Thanks for it: dd To know the information while drawing, use the status bar at the bottom of the window. If you do not have it, turn in on in the preferences (Image Window Appearance category). You can also use the Tool Options area (it should be just under the toolbox, and called Rect Select when you use the rectangular selection tool). There is a Rectangle controls category. Open it, it will give you the information (same for ellipse selection). Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: (unknown)
Jethro Tull wrote: I would like to know if there is a way to select a part in a picture and then moving freely the selection window to some specific place in that pic without of course modifying/displacing any part the image. I would just like slipping the window on the image. Press ALT and click within the selection, then drag it where you want. This will move only the selection (the dashed borders), not the content. If you are under Linux or *BSD, your window manager may catch the ALT-drag to move the window. In that case, most window manager allow to use CRTL-ALT instead to move the selection. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: batch rotate scanned images
T F wrote: On 8/14/06, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T F wrote: i'd like to scan several hundred of my 4x6 prints (photographs) in my trials, the orientations of the tiff files end up being slightly off, randomly, by several degrees. some need to be rotate by +2.3 degrees, others by +3.7, others by -1.2, etc [...] Thanks. I'm an avid user of imagmagick. There is no autorotate feature, nor does David's. What I meant was you first group the files (e.g. in a folder) with +3.7, apply the batch to them etc. I do not see how a software could easily find the angle. If the picture is not an image, but a graphic or a text, the Fourier transform [1] may be a tool for this. If the picture contains some white (triangular/frame) borders due to the rotation angle, there might also be a way, but in any case, automatic detection of the rotation angle would require some maths (maybe through lua and gluas[2], python, or gimp# [3]). But these are just wild guesses. Regards, Olivier [1] http://gfourier.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://pippin.gimp.org/plug-ins/gluas/index.html [3] http://gimp-sharp.sourceforge.net/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: batch rotate scanned images
T F wrote: i'd like to scan several hundred of my 4x6 prints (photographs) in my trials, the orientations of the tiff files end up being slightly off, randomly, by several degrees. some need to be rotate by +2.3 degrees, others by +3.7, others by -1.2, etc is there way to use gimp (or other linux software) to automatically correct the orientation? preferably by batch processing thanks in advance mike Usually, for batch processing, the advice is to use imagemagick (or garphicsmagick), which should be already present on your system. http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php Imagemagick is a collection of small utilities (display, mogrify, convert, etc.). Since you probably do not want to overwrite the original file, what you want is convert. See the man page here http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php The gimp solution to batch processing is David's Batch Processor: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html It should work also fine for you. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: bad results after rotating a image
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello experts, I have a problem with a rotating logo.. (akazia_logo_v5.xcf) - http://www.agenda21-bad-urach.de/demo.html. I rotated it by 5 degres each over the full 360 cirlce, I scaled it down and indexed the colour (sorry this might not be the correct word in English) and created the gif with 50ms per frame. looks fine. Now when you look at the result akazia_logo_v5_ani_demo.gif - http://www.agenda21-bad-urach.de/demo.html you can easily see how bad it comes out: - the text akazia is no more readable - the frame in has got steps when it rotates see below for the explanation... - at 90 and 270 degre there is a too long gap where nothing is visibable though I have set the 90degre frame to 88 and 270 to 268 resp. -92 degree To me it looks ok. You could make these frames shorter in time or paint the line by hand to give a thickness to the plane. I think this are user issues I just can not find out by try and error how to make it better. Has someone a hint what I can do? My assumption is not that nessesarly the downscale is the reason - I think already the induvidal frames could be better. This leads to the question in which size and resolution (dpi) First I thought you had either used a bad downscale (nearest neighbor instead of linear or cubic) or a bad indexing (the gif uses only 16 colours), but after playing with your xcf, I understand the problem: You are trying to make a transparent gif. The problem is due to the gif format. The only way to solve this is to forget about transparency and make any frame opaque with the colour you want to use on the web page. Gif cannot handle real transparency, just a cut-through illusion. You are hitting a fundamental limitation of GIF. I need to create the base and if there are does and donts for the rotation to get a better result. And last: I created 72 frames manually - is there a tool to automate this ??? You can script it with script-fu, and perhaps python-fu (depends on your OS, I think it's not yet ready for windows) and perl-fu. Thanks a lot Michael Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: how to rotate ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have a little rectangle which I like to rotate / animate. The rotation should give a kind of 3D impression - the backward going part is shrinking and the forward comming is growing relative to the middle axis which goes noth / south. I checked the GIMP help and asked google but I did not find a way to do this under linux with GIMP, just some expensive MS Windows solutions. Any hint how to do this are very wellcome. :-) I hope this is not too bad expained, my English leaves room for improvement - which I am working on. I see two ways to achieve your effect: 1- The perspective tool (in the toolbox): see the manual here http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-perspective.html You say you are not a native English speaker, and your name could sound German, so here is the same page in German: http://docs.gimp.org/de/gimp-tool-perspective.html As tutorial, maybe this link could be ok: http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Tutorial-How-to-create-a-3D-room-1961-last.html This choice would be good if: - you have a good 3D perception (you are an artist) - you do not want to produce an animation with many frames. 2- A better choice would be the Map Object... plugin, in Filter-Map set the following settings (do not change the ones I do not mention): check show preview wireframe Option tab: Map to: plane check transparent background Light tab: Lightsource type: no light Orientation tab: use the Rotation Z: änd set it to the angle you want You will have to create first many copies of the image you want to spin first, and then apply the effect with different angles to each one. See the following tutorial for some similar effect: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/gimp/globes.html Best regards, Olivier. PS: At the moment I was going to send the message, I just ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Antwort: Re: how to rotate ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Oliver, great this is exactly that what I was looking for. To get a smooth rotation how many frames do I need to create? For a 360 turn via the y-axis? It depends on the speed you want. 10 frames per second is usually enough (25-30 is video setting). You will have to try. Start with rotating every 20 or 30°. After I have these many frames how do I get the animation? At the bottomline I like to get a gif file or what every is ok to be placed on a web page. There are again 2 solutions. The GAP (gimp animation package) is very useful in the long term, but requires some time to learn it. There are some animation tutorials there: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/ The good old way is perfect for animations with few frames See tutorials there: http://gug.sunsite.dk/tutorials/biggyp1 (only do the three last steps, from the moment it says Now you can set the layer timings) or even better: http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html?node80.html Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: png and layers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I like to save layer information of a manually created logo. Unfortunately GIMP tells me that it can not save the layers as png file. Is png not capable to save this infromation or do I some thing wrong? Anyway which format can I use to save the layer information? Thanks a lot Michael PNG format does not support multiple layers. You should use xcf for this. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Dialogues staying on top in 2.3.9?
Warren Baird wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded to 2.3.9 from the 2.2.11 bundled in ubuntu 6.06. I'm finding that the main dialogue and the layers dialogue are staying on-top of the image window. Is this an intentional change? Ubuntu is customising the desktop and some applications to acomodate to the users' requests and for consistency. They probably have just changed the defaults. You can choose the window behaviour in the gimp preference window, Window Management, and try different hints for the toolbox and the docks. You may also try to see what the checkbox Toolbox and other docks are transient to the active display can do for you. With a good window manager and taskbar, it can be a nice setting. Best regards, Olivier I end up doing a lot of image manipulation on my laptop - and on a 1024x768 display, I really want to be able to use my entire display for the image window - I usually alt-tab back and forth between the image window and the other dialogues as needed. This change makes the gimp almost unusable for me. Is there anyway to disable this behaviour? I've dug through the preferences page, and I couldn't see anything obvious. Suggestions on how to fix this would be really appreciated - I'm afraid I'm probably going to have to go back to using the 2.2 family until I can figure out how to undo this... Thanks. Warren ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: verkettete ebenen zusammenfügen, copy paste layers
devvv wrote: hey guys, got some questions for ya ;) .) is there any possibility to merge connected layers instead of turning the desired ones visible and use ctrl+m? if not, is this considered to be implemented in future releases of GIMP? That's 2 questions... so it should be 2 bullets ;) so my answers would be : .) I don't think so .) I don't know .) is there a shortcut that allows you to duplicate a layer easily (without using the layer-duplicate-button)? Well, pressing the duplicate layer button is easy, isn't it? You can also drag and drop the layer thumbnail to the image window. Ctrl-C and then Ctrl-V also duplicates stuff. for example if you have drawn a line, choose the move-tool, pressing ALT and then move the line to another place and its automatically duplicated? (i know this from photoshop). .) how can i move a layer exactly on the horizontal or vertical axis? or at a fixed angle, maybe at 45°? You can use the arrow keys (pressing Shift moves 10 pixels at a time). Another way is to place a guide at one edge of the layer and using it to guide the movement (guide are magnetic) of the layer. For horizontal and vertical movements only. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Stroke Paths - Taper option?
Ben Schreiner wrote: I'd like to be able to taper the size of the brush (up or down) as it strokes along a path with a stroke line or possibly even a paint tool. I assume this would at least need a script to achieve. Is there any way for this to be done easily, or should I be looking at commissioning a script and/or development on the path tool. I much prefer working with vectors than with rasters in general, but Inkscape doesn't seem to support this either. TIA Ben Schreiner The only idea I can come with is to use a animated brush (image pipe) having lots of brushes from 1 pixel to the maximum size you want. Then, stroking using the paintbrush tool would be close to what you want. The parametric brushes could be a nice tool for that too, if I could find any documentation on how to generate them ;) Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Help needed with photo touch-up using Gimp 2.3.9
Tom Williams wrote: Unfortunately, that's the only image I have. Here is a link: http://bay-online-media.com/tom/eq02.jpg This image lacks blue. I think you can have a quite good result in the levels dialogue by touching up the green and blue channels only (mainly the blue). The log scale histogram icon on the top-right of the dialogue would also be a good help. Best regards, Olivier Thanks! Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Blurr problem
Ivan Sanchez wrote: It seems that everytime I rotate something or I shrink it, it comes out blurry. If anyone knows a solution, please e mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] In Preferences-Tool Options-Scaling, there are several scaling method. Try changing them. Also, in the tool option dialogue, or in the Scale image dialogue, you can choose the interpolation method. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Remove me
Ronald Walker wrote: Please remove me from the GIMP mailing List. yours aye, Ron Walker. Hi Ronald, Please see https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user for how to unsubscribe from the mailing-list. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Removing unwanted objects in photos
Dan Giel wrote: Hi all, I am new to gimp and am having trouble removing unwanted objects from digital photos. I have tried CLONE, Erasure etc, but to no avail. Where can I go to find information to remove unwanted objects from pictures. Hope someone can help. Thanks. Hi Dan, There are several techniques to remove objects, mostly depending of the amount of work required and the quality desired. 1- The clone tool. It give some very good results, but requires some experience. An example (in French, sorry) can be seen at http://jlhamel.club.fr/GIMP2/index.html#Retouche (scroll down a little until you reach a section called: Elimination de détails génants au moyen de l'outil clone and you will see a traffic sign erased just with the clone tool). 2- The resynthesizer plugin. I never used it for object removal, but all I know is it requires some CPU power. However, it can do really extraordinary things: http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/resynthesizer Some articles and blogs about it: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/15/1722200 http://www.rfc1149.net/blog/2005/10/28/the-resynthesizer-miracle/ http://slacy.com/blog/index.php/2005/04/22/cool-image-processing/ A tutorial http://www.schwarzvogel.de/resynth-tut-en.shtml A page from the old website to demonstrate the object removal with a little details: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~pfh/resynthesizer/features.html 3- From small stuff, this thing may work: http://www.geocities.com/lode_leroy/gimp/ Well, choose what suits you best ... :) Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Font size
Paul Bloch wrote: So I've noticed that although there are different palettes for when you're placing text (text field, font selector) I can't find anyway to edit the size of the text! The help file also doesn't even seem to mention any real methods for altering your text except in the text field. Can someone give me a hint? This is total newbie stuff but I'm a seasoned photoshop user and this is starting to feel a bit ridiculous. Hi Paul, The fact that you are a seasoned Photoshop user does not make you less a newbie with Gimp, so there is no shame to have not to find the way to do this. To change the font size of an existing text: 1- select you text layer in the layer, channels ... dock (*). the Gimp text editor will pop up. 2- double clic the text tool in the toolbox, the text tool options dialogue should appear (usually, in the main dock, under the toolbox). 3- change the numeric value in the Size field, the text will change in the image. I hope this help. Often, the obvious way for one software is not the one for another. By the way, I is often a good idea to give your software version when asking for help (not only for gimp). The platform may also be an important info. Best regards, Olivier (*) we call this a dock, not a palette. A palette is a collection of colour (or a wooden piece with a hole for the thumb, on top of which (the piece, not the thumb) you put some paint). I guess the use of palette for a dialogue is a very bad wording in the context of an image processing/editing software. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: where is gimpguru.org?
Alan Horkan wrote: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Donncha O Caoimh wrote: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:31:15 +0100 From: Donncha O Caoimh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GIMPUser Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] where is gimpguru.org? You can try the Google cached versions of those pages. Here's the tutorial page I found. The link may expire but search for gimpguru to find the cached version again! http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:oDpfBPThvJoJ:www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/+gimpguruhl=engl=iect=clnkcd=1client=firefox-a The google cache expires, I recommend the Wayback machine provided by the Web Archive http://web.archive.org/*/gimpguru.org Well, it seems the site is back up, with this little note: 2006.04.27 No, GIMPguru.org is not going down permanently... Due to mix-up with my hosting provider, GIMPguru.org was down for a few days. Hopefully things are straightened out now. Thanks for your patience. Best regards, Olivier. PS: Losing this web site would be a great loss for Gimp community. But the text (and to some lesser amount the images) are available under a quite liberal licensing ( http://gimpguru.org/use.shtml ). ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: removing backgrounds
Vytautas P. wrote: GIF handles transparency perfectly, but it can not handle partial transparency. And it is not good at colours. When removing background, do not forget to add alpha channel LayerTransparencyAdd Alpha channell. Hi Vytautas, This really is a subjective point: Imagine an opaque door. It can be opened or closed. When it is closed, you see nothing through. When it is opened you see totally through the door opening. No one would ever pretend that this door is transparent when opened. On the contrary, a window is transparent. It means you see through, although you lose some light in the process, especially if the window is dirty or tinted. As a physicist (optician), to me, transparency is not a binary property. Transparency is a complex property containing amplitude and phase (and often depends on the spectrum). GIF in my view does not support transparency, just some cut through property. You just can say cut a hole in the image like you would with scissors and a sheet of paper, you do not say make this pixel transparent, which you can do with PNG. But this is my perspective, and you are allowed to disagree ;) Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: removing backgrounds
C. DeBerry wrote: Hello, I'm a fledgling gimp user. Can someone explain to me the process of removing the background color from my logo? It has this nasty white box around it, and looks horrible on colored paper/backgrounds. I have it in .tif, .gif, and .jpg formats. I know I can't do it in .jpg. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you! Cheryl Hi Cheryl, If your background is a plain colour, maybe your should simply try to use Color to alpha (I think it should be in Filters-Colors in 2.2.x, I am using 2.3.x in which it is located in Colors). To save it, I would advise you to use PNG format. GIF cannot really do transparency, and I do not know how well tiff handles it. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Please enlighten me!
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Joachim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From Photoshop I'm used to always having readouts available in the Info palette. In Gimp, it seems that though I get all kinds of positional data in the lower left image frame corner, there's no color data readout option. GIMP has an Info window that offers exactly this functionality. Sven Sven, I think he meant that this window disappears when the colour tools (curves, levels) windows are opened, so it is not possible to use it at the same time. It may be indeed useful, to be able to see in real time the evolution of the colours, especially when doing e.g. grey/white/black point corrections. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Please enlighten me!
Joachim Smith wrote: Hello Gimp Wizards, I am not a gimp wizard, just a user, so forgive me if I cannot answer all of your questions. I use gimp 2.3.7 so there might be a few differences between my answers and what you actually have in your version. [...] However, being raised on Photoshop but a newbie with Gimp, I'm stumped by some of Gimp's functions. Please bear with me... 1) I can't seem to find any option for a continuous numerical readout of RGB and greyscale values as I move the cursor in the image! The colour picker tool is the one you want. It is the 8th in the toolbox. When you select it, notice the tool options tab in the bottom half of the toolbox window. There you can see an option check-box Use info window (Shift). If you check it or if you press shift while clicking on the image with this tool, a window will pop up and tell you what you want. I have discovered that I can use the Color Picker tool to get readouts if I click somewhere. BUT, if I invoke a function like Color Correction, the Color Picker window is disabled and no help at all for checking stuff like clipping channels or colour casts of areas that should be neutral. The colour picker can be used from within the main colour correction tools (Curves and Levels). Try clicking on the images when you use the curve tool, it will put a point at the corresponding coordinate. In the Levels tool, there are some colour picker icons to set the black, white and grey points. From Photoshop I'm used to always having readouts available in the Info palette. In Gimp, it seems that though I get all kinds of positional data in the lower left image frame corner, there's no color data readout option. 2) The Decompose to... and Compose to... functions are intriguing and potentially useful, BUT so far, I haven't been able to, say, Decompose an RGB image to LAB (for sharpening just the L channel or for adjusting gamma without colour saturation buildup) AND then Compose the layered image back to RGB! When I try, I get truly weird colours and I get the impression that Decompose to... and Compose to... don't work in a complementary or transparent manner. This makes me wonder what these functions are meant for. Ouch! L A and B channels. At least the gimp should be corrected to spell this correctly ;) (as everyone knows, L*, a* and b*) I cannot help you on that one, since my compose plugin just crashed when I selected LAB in it... Good reason not to use unstable versions ;) Wait... well, I can use Recompose and it works fine. Did you assigned the right channels or images to the L* a* and b* components in the compose windows ? Are you sure you chose LAB and not RGB when recomposing ? So, again, there might be something I'm just missing, being weaned on Photoshop, and if anybody could set me on the right track, I'd be most grateful. Best regards, Joachim Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: question about gimp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question. When I go to paint the pic it blends all together. Do you know how you can turn off blending? TYIA. Jeri Hi Jerry, I am not sure to understand what you want to say (next time, please give more details about the context, the tools you use and the actions you perform). I will try a first guess (10% it is what you mean): You want to paint onto an image and you are using the paintbrush tool for it. And you find the lines too fuzzy. You should first try to change the brush to not fuzzy ones (circle instead of Circle Fuzzy for instance). If it is still too smooth and you want to have jagged lines, then use the pencil tool instead of the paint brush. Second guessed interpretation (10% of chances too): You paint with a colour but still can see the background image through. Then, check the Opacity in the tool options (usually, it is in the bottom half of the toolbox window, you can also double-click the paintbrush tool). Opacity setting should be set to 100. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Lightsaber
Ben Conley wrote: Some friends of mine are trying to make a short Star Wars movie, and need lightsaber graphics. I intend to use GIMP to add it in frame by frame (joyously fun, I know) but don't know how to do it (a problem, to be sure). So does anyone here have any ideas/experience in making fairly good looking glowing lines? There was a perl plugin for that in the old time (gimp1): http://www.jfedor.org/misc/ You may find some discussion about the subject here: http://www.gimptalk.com/topic.php?a=vt=297f=9 Another one is a script-fu. Gimp2 version can be found here http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=6046 Another solution was shown here: blate-roto (a script-fu also) http://www.baudalign.com/lee/gimplightsabre.html I cannot tell you which one is best. I never tried them. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Export to EPS
Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Vytautas P. wrote: Some people using Wndows OS and The GIMP complains about their unability to open EPS files. Maybye they should install some libs or something? Yes - to export or import EPS on Windows, you need Ghostscript installed. You can get it at http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ Cheers, Dave. I would add to Dave's advice that afterwards, you need to add the directory containing ghostscript to your path or do the follwoing: From the Gimp-for-Windows FAQ: I can't open PS and EPS files. Am I missing something? You need to install GhostScript to be able to read PostScript files with The Gimp. GhostScript can be downloaded from http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/. After you install GhostScript, set the environment variable GS_PROG to the full path to gs.exe. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: color replacement
cheap_sunglasses wrote: hi, i'm editing a scanned picture, and was wondering if anyone could tell me how to replace all colors, except black, with whitei traced over the lines on the original with my mouse, but the original scan pixels are still there. any advice would be very much appreciated. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/color-replacement-t1352868.html#a3621237 Sent from the Gimp User forum at Nabble.com. Try Colors-Threshold... tool or Colors-Levels Both should do this quite easily. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: recompiling 2.3.7 for FC5: config can't find libtiff
Colin Brace wrote: Hi all, I installed Fedora Core 5 yesterday and am recompiling 2.3.7. Alas, configure returns an error message: [...] checking for TIFFReadScanline in -ltiff... no checking for TIFFWriteScanline in -ltiff... no checking for TIFFFlushData in -ltiff34... no configure: error: *** Checks for TIFF libary failed. You can build without it by passing *** --without-libtiff to configure but you won't be able to use TIFFs then. However, libtiff is most definitely installed: $ rpm -q libtiff libtiff-3.7.4-3.2.1 Any ideas why configure isn't seeing it? Just a guess: It looks to me that you should install the libtiff-devel package (it should be called libtiff-devel-3.7.4-3.2.1.i386.rpm ) Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: 2.3.7 under Ubuntu: configure error: too many arguments
Colin Brace wrote: Hi all, I would like to recompile v2.3.7 for Ubuntu (Breezy) to include help. Unfortunately, configure gives this non-fatal error: [...] checking for GTKHTML2... ./configure: line 32824: test: too many arguments [...] Also, 'aptitude search gtkhtml' returns a dozen or so packages, some with version numbers, running from 1.3 to 7. I installed 'libgtkhtml-dev'; hope it is the right one. I would more expect something like libgtkhtml2-dev to be the one you need. http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libdevel/libgtkhtml2-dev What does 'aptitude search gtkhtml2' return ? Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Rough/Grunge Text Threshold
matt1027 wrote: I am trying to follow this tutorial for Rough Text: http://www.xach.com/gimp/tutorials/rough.html and having trouble with the Threshold step. The effect doesn't seem to take on my text layer. The only way I could make it work was by flattening the image but I don't want to do that because I want to float the text above a background. Any suggestions? The tutorial was written before the big rewrite of the text tool, so some things have changed. You will obtain the right effect by suppressing the alpha channel of the text layer before using threshold: Layer-Transparency-Remove alpha channel Then applied threshold and finally do: Layer-Transparency-Add alpha channel Layer-Transparency-Color to alpha (choose white color) You may also use the Levels tool instead of the threshold one. Select the channel to be alpha in the levels window, then move the white and black triangles of the top scale to a common point. Also, can anyone recommend any other tutorials for Rough or Grunge Text? Thanks, Matt Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Time to stick a fork in the GIMP?
Stephan Hegel wrote: Olivier Ripoll wrote: I was referring to the Michael's sentence about Bugzilla for threads concerning GIMPShop. I am trying to find such threads in Bugzilla, but I can't. You haven't tried, have you ? Point your browser to bugzilla.gnome.org and search for gimpshop. Voila: 309707. Regards, Stephan. Thanks Stephan, Unfortunately, this bug is the one I mentioned earlier in the thread. I think you probably overlooked this part of the messages: I have been searching for the bugzilla for occurrences of the word gimpshop and cannot find anything except a small refernce to changing the name of the dialogs menu Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Time to stick a fork in the GIMP?
Michael Schumacher wrote: Olivier Ripoll wrote: I was referring to the Michael's sentence about Bugzilla for threads concerning GIMPShop. I am trying to find such threads in Bugzilla, but I can't. The one I had in mind was http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309707. Theres' more on the mailing list and the newsgroup comp.graphics.apps.gimp, the threads in the latter also illustrates some of the more recent and unfortunate effects of this fork (or, to be more precise, the GIMP/GIMPShop hybrid Linspire ships) HTH, Michael Thanks Michael, I'll have a look to the newsgroup. I remember that the issue was also mentioned on the GUG forums, so it might also be a valuable link for background on the topic: http://gug.sunsite.dk/forum/?threadid=2721 Probably, the gimpshop blog also has some info about it in the comments related to the announcement. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: help needed with menu tooltips
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no possibility for CVS access (no internet at home, and filtered access at work). Is there a bug# where such text blobs could be posted/discussed ? If not, is posting to the mailing-list acceptable ? I don't have the resources to prepare such a list nor to merge the changes back into the source tree. For a review process it would perhaps be possible to somehow extract a list of the strings. But it should be a lot easier to just do these changes in the source code. Sven PS: CVS can be tunneled. But I don't want to get you into trouble... Is there a possibility to use the latest tar.gz (2.3.7) and diff patches from it ? Looking at the web cvs interface for gnome (this I can access, it is http), I can for instance see this recent change you did to the blur plugin: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gimp/plug-ins/common/blur.c?r1=1.67r2=1.68 You added a const gchar string const gchar *help = This plug-in blurs the specified drawable, using a 3x3 blur. Indexed images are not supported.; So all is needed is to find a string to best describe the plugin, and store it in this help pointer, isn't it ? It seems the help string can be multiline, am I correct on this ? Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: help needed with menu tooltips
Olivier Ripoll wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no possibility for CVS access (no internet at home, and filtered access at work). Is there a bug# where such text blobs could be posted/discussed ? If not, is posting to the mailing-list acceptable ? I don't have the resources to prepare such a list nor to merge the changes back into the source tree. For a review process it would perhaps be possible to somehow extract a list of the strings. But it should be a lot easier to just do these changes in the source code. Sven PS: CVS can be tunneled. But I don't want to get you into trouble... Is there a possibility to use the latest tar.gz (2.3.7) and diff patches from it ? Looking at the web cvs interface for gnome (this I can access, it is http), I can for instance see this recent change you did to the blur plugin: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gimp/plug-ins/common/blur.c?r1=1.67r2=1.68 You added a const gchar string const gchar *help = This plug-in blurs the specified drawable, using a 3x3 blur. Indexed images are not supported.; So all is needed is to find a string to best describe the plugin, and store it in this help pointer, isn't it ? It seems the help string can be multiline, am I correct on this ? Best regards, Olivier small correction: you also changed the call to gimp_install_procedure() to use the constant strings. Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: help needed with menu tooltips
Olivier Ripoll wrote: small correction: you also changed the call to gimp_install_procedure() to use the constant strings. Olivier. correction: It is the other way around. You removed the strings. I had read the diff the wrong way. So the tooltip is put in the N_(), correct ? N_(Apply a 3x3 blurring convolution kernel), (blur) or N_(Simulate movement by applying a blur effect), (motion blur) Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: help needed with menu tooltips
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, just wanted to point the people subscribed here to this thread over at the gimp-developer list: http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2006-March/015323.html Since not much coding skills (if any) are needed to be able to help with this, I thought it would be appropriate to include the gimp-user list. Sven Hi Sven, I have no possibility for CVS access (no internet at home, and filtered access at work). Is there a bug# where such text blobs could be posted/discussed ? If not, is posting to the mailing-list acceptable ? Regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Time to stick a fork in the GIMP?
Michael Schumacher wrote: wayne wrote: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/07/1813207 Saw the above article on Newsforge. Well, it shows that the author doesn't read the OpenUsability forum. Of course, this makes it a suitable article for NewsForged, but without proof for the authors claims it is worthless. I'd highly recommend and appreciate it if anyone who wants to participate in the discussion that will take place in this thread reads the relevant sources (OpenUsability forum, GIMP mailing list archives, news group and Bugzilla for threads concerning GIMPShop) himself and in whole. Thank you. Michael Hi Michael, I have been searching for the bugzilla for occurrences of the word gimpshop and cannot find anything except a small refernce to changing the name of the dialogs menu (*). Do you have any bug in mind ? I might have not used the bugzilla search function very efficiently. Thanks in advance, Regards, Olivier. (*) Well, I found 4 bugs, but in 2, gimpshop is just used to say works for me in gimp and gimpshop and in the third, gimpshop looks like a misspelling of gimpshot ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Time to stick a fork in the GIMP?
John R. Culleton wrote: On Monday 13 March 2006 10:10, Olivier Ripoll wrote: AFAIK Gimpshop or gimp-shop is an offshoot of Gimp that is not well regarded here because of procedural issues. It apparently tries to put the look and feel of Photoship onto Gimp. I would search Google to find out more. Hi John, I was referring to the Michael's sentence about Bugzilla for threads concerning GIMPShop. I am trying to find such threads in Bugzilla, but I can't. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Fill transparent?
Simon Roberts wrote: Hi All, I'm really sorry this is probably a dumb/rtfm type question but I guess I don't know enough to know what to look for. I simply want to make a selection transparent. I can make the selection OK, but when I click the little red eraser thingy (for which the tooltip says Erase to background or transparency I can't make it make the selection transparent no matter what I try. Can anyone tell me what I should be doing please? Many thanks, Simon Try Layer-Transparency-Add alpha channel. And then just cut your selection (ctrl-X). Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
George Farris wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-03 at 12:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, the new GTK open/save dialogue has been subject to many critics, in Gnome and in Gimp. Gimp developers have tried to implement fixes for most of the annoyances. But the dialogue is still quite bothering. However, the blame is to be put on the gnome HIG, not on Gimp developers. Just my 0.02 euro cents, as a user. I love the open/save dialogue. What specifically are people having trouble with? Having the places tied into these dialogs is great and I can add remove these bookmarks as I like. Is it the functionality or the UI? PS: This is just curiosity I'm not trying to start a war. Checking the mailing list shows that the two main complaints are: 1- the absence of the keyboard navigation with tab completion that was in 1.x. This can be actually activated by CTRL-L but no-one can actually find this shortcut naturally, so everyone will at least complain once about it. Also, the file name completion is different from before, and some may find it less practical but this is very subjective (I preferred the old one, and I think tab should definitely be used for file-name completion to have a consistent interface). 2- the lack of way to have the file type and other folder navigation portions of the dialogue always opened. It is quite bothering for many users to have to click every time on the little + in order to choose the file format or the file location. Users do not always want to have to remember the extensions for every file format around, neither they feel normal in a modern interface to have to type them. Simply making this a preference or remember the last state would probably solve the issue. From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users, developers and windows port, while the gimp own part of the interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin / docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community. But this is not a gimp issue. Linus Torvalds, in his own funny way, has pin-pointed the problem a few months ago. However, I have already said too much, this is flamewar material ;) Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users, developers and windows port, while the gimp own part of the interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin / docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community. Can you please stop spreading this nonsense? The GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) have not much, if anything, to do with the way the file chooser dialog looks and feels. Please read the guidelines before you talk about them. Making GIMP more HIG compliant has led to more consistent and more pleasantly looking dialogs and has substantially improved the usability of the application. I have not yet heard any valid complaints about this step. Sven Sven, Complaints about the dialogue pop up every single month on the 3 mailing lists I have mentioned. You can refuse to read them, but then do not accuse people who read them to mention them when specifically ask to in a thread. And, for your information, I have read the HIG. Listen, Sven, could you also please read the mails you respond to? I have clearly stated twice in this thread that the interface is better now than before. So we do agree on this point. Best regards, Olivier. PS: If the HIG do not prevent improving the open/save dialogues, then I guess it _will_ be improved further. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Michael Schumacher wrote: Von: Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] From what I can gather of reading the mailing-lists for users, developers and windows port, while the gimp own part of the interface as much improved in the last years (preview for plugin / docks / window management / image window top-menu), the compliance to the HIG has raised a lot of bitterness in the community. Can you please stop spreading this nonsense? The GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) have not much, if anything, to do with the way the file chooser dialog looks and feels. Please read the guidelines before you talk about them. Making GIMP more HIG compliant has led to more consistent and more pleasantly looking dialogs and has substantially improved the usability of the application. I have not yet heard any valid complaints about this step. Complaints about the dialogue pop up every single month on the 3 mailing lists I have mentioned. You can refuse to read them, but then do not accuse people who read them to mention them when specifically ask to in a thread. You're claiming that the GIMP UI has improved, but following the HIG wasn't something that was welcomed in the community. But following the HIG was what has caused the improvements. Your claim, as written here, is quite generic, and it seems like you totally disagree with it. You should be more specific about the things you disagree with. HTH, Michael I disagree with your interpretation of my messages. :) So I will try to reformulate this in another way to avoid the misunderstandings: 1- Gimp UI has improved. I never said the opposite. Clear? 2- The new GTK file dialogue has raised many complaints. see for instance the thread called Bring back the keyboard. 3- Most of the complaints have been addressed (regarding point 2). 4- There are still some points which raise complaints. 2 are mentioned in the thread: a) the need of an obscure key combo to access the file completion navigation. b) the fact that the folder navigation (and perhaps) the file type chooser are not directly accessible. Please keep in mind the reason for my messages: One person asked for points he could discuss/investigate for an article about the UI. I suggested to show the improvements for previous version. Then I was asked what were the points still generating complaints. I listed what are the two most frequent one in my opinion. And gimp developers fall on me as if I had said that I preferred 1.2.x interface. I never said that. I said that there are areas where the new interface still has not reached the old one. That you and Sven do not agree with the complaints does not make those complaints disappear. I was asked what are the complaints. I listed them. My opinion is irrelevant. They exist. They pop up every once in a while. It is a stubborn fact. Best regards, Olivier PS: And in case it is not clear after me writing it 4 times now: The Gimp UI has improved since 1.2.x. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Jakub Steiner wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:36 +0100, Olivier Ripoll wrote: a) the need of an obscure key combo to access the file completion navigation. There is no key combo to access file completion. Just start typing. Indeed. You are right. This is recent, isn't it ? What is the use of CTRL-L now ? However, there is no visual hint that typing the filename will do something. Having the text entry field would make it clear. b) the fact that the folder navigation (and perhaps) the file type chooser are not directly accessible. Can you elaborate on this a little? I don't think I understand this one. Sure. It would be welcome that the select file type and browse for other folders be opened by default. Or that they would remember they last state or that this option could be selected by the user. cheers Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, [...] The other problem is that this is the wrong list to discuss file chooser issues. Sven This was not my aim. I wanted to suggest to Paul Bloch, that in his article about usability for OsNews, he mentions the fact that the UI of Gimp has improved from the 1.x time, and that continuous work is being done on it. Unfortunately, I dared to say that the present situation was not yet perfect, as the ML traffic could suggest. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure. It would be welcome that the select file type and browse for other folders be opened by default. Or that they would remember they last state or that this option could be selected by the user. When do you need to use Select file type? Perhaps we should just remove it, but then there are some very rare cases where it is needed. A solution would be to ask the user for the file-type in case it cannot be determined automatically. That would effectively move the file-type selection to an extra dialog that most users would never see. Select file type is useful when: 1- when you want to save to a format, and do not know if gimp can open/save it. 2- you do not remember the extension of the file type. jpeg, tiff, png, gif and xcf are easy to remember, but what is the extension for exotic formats ? Actually, even jpeg and tiff are tricky. Is it jpeg or jpg ? tif or tiff ? In that case, the file type selector is practical. But I agree you can remove it. But if and only if the browse dialogue is opened. Because this dialogue contains its own drop-down that duplicates the functionality. However, if the browse dialogue is closed (I am talking about the save as window), there is no interface hint for the user of where/how to filter the file type. I know it is not the right place for it, but anyway, I will go if off-list-topic mode to describe what I think could be considered to improve the file selectors. The type-ahead could be improved greatly by - having the - key doing the same functionality as the return key. or having it doing file name completion (see next point). - having a completion of file names to the common part (that is, if I have foo1.jpg and foobar.jpg, I type f, then press the completion key and automatically foo is displayed). - displaying only the files corresponding to the typed string in the file list. I have 50 files, but as soon as foo is typed, only foo1.jpg, foobar.jpg and food.png are shown. another possible one: - having the - key going up in one directory in the tree. And additionally, at least on windows, typing .. or ..\ does not allow to go up in the directory tree (by up, I mean towards the root or C: directory). I cannot check yet on my linux computer at home. So it probably is a windows-only bug. So what is probably a gimp-relevant comment is: Making the open and save dialogue appearance persistent between sessions. I _always_ want to have the browse dialogue opened. I need it. The state is preserved within one gimp session. Why couldn't it be preserved as a preferences. And why are the dialogues for icm/icc profile selection (unstable gimp) and folders in the preferences using a different file selector (no file type drop-down, different window sizes) ? Sure it could be made more consistent. Best regards, Olivier PS: And by the way, the article in OSNews would be a perfect place to explain the interface. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Michael Schumacher wrote: Unfortunately you excluded the HIG issue in your reply. As you point out, this is most likely becoming the source for an article about the GIMP GUI. Should it then be that easy to get to a totally different interpretation of your message? I doubt that someone who doesn't know the HIG and the changes in the GIMP GUI that were caused by following these guidelines is able to understand your message correctly. The one issue you're complaining about is the file chooser - I know why you're doing this, I did so myself initially (I have changed my opinion in the meantime). But you made it sound like following HIG is a bad thing in general - I think it wasn't your intention, but as I wrote before, you avoided to give a straight answer to this yet. Hi Michael, The HIG in itself is not a bad thing in general. MacOS has one, KDE has one, Windows most likely has one. But it should be interpreted as guidelines and above all, as a work in progress itself. When an interface that results of several years of interaction user-developer differs from the HIG that has just a few years of existence, maybe the interface should be changed, maybe the HIG should be changed, or maybe to quote Captain Barbossa: - the Code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules. Best regards, Olivier. HTH, Michael ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Open Save dialog
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And why are the dialogues for icm/icc profile selection (unstable gimp) and folders in the preferences using a different file selector (no file type drop-down, different window sizes) ? Sure it could be made more consistent. This is so silly. Why should a folder selection dialog have a file type drop-down and why should the dialog care about the size you have last used on your File-Open dialog? Answer for the size: because of the bookmark list on the left. If you have some bookmarks there, the window that opens is too small to show all the bookmarks. Then you have a scrollbar or two appearing (one vertical, one horizontal). Bad for usability. If you use the same window+dialogue geometry as the open dialogue, then you have usually set this window to a sane geometry (no need for scrollbars in the bookmark area). Also, I think consistency is better if similar windows look the same. This would also apply to some plugins (lighting effects, imagemap, ...) but I do not have problems with the size of their dialogues. I have it with the export/import path dialogues though. Too small. Please ignore the color profile choosers. They are supposed to be replaced by something completely different. A flying circus ? Best regards, und shoenes wochenende für alles. Olivier Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp development
Paul Bloch wrote: Hello, I'm an occasional Gimp user and prefessional graphic designer. I was wondering where and how do I get involved with user-interface development. I have several ideas that I think would better the experience. I'm planning on writing a longer article about usability for osnews.com http://osnews.com and part of that is talking about Gimp. However I didn't want any criticism I make to suggest I have any hostility torwards the community or the project. And considering people's sentiment's torwards Gimpshop, I think it'd be best if I go about this the right way, by speaking to the development team and community first. Thanks, Paul openartist.net http://openartist.net Well, I think a good start could be to try 1.0, 1.2, 2.2 and 2.3 in order to see the evolution of the interface. Some things have clearly improved and many critics are usually based on a bad experience 4-5 years ago with 1.0 and 1.2 versions. As an example, the introduction of the editable docks and the option for transient windows have removed most of the validity of the most repeated critic about the gimp interface: absence of WiW mode (à la Windows Photoshop/PaintShopPro). What was already possible 5 years ago with good window managers (Enlightenement supported grouping windows) is now possible with common window managers (e.g. Metacity/KWin) and WiW becomes absolutely pointless. Also, previewing fr plugins was quite a good interface improvement. As the fact that some windows do not pop up where you do not want them to. On the other hand, the new GTK open/save dialogue has been subject to many critics, in Gnome and in Gimp. Gimp developers have tried to implement fixes for most of the annoyances. But the dialogue is still quite bothering. However, the blame is to be put on the gnome HIG, not on Gimp developers. Just my 0.02 euro cents, as a user. Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Logarithmic gradient
Vytautas P. wrote: Is there a way to make not linear but logarithmic gradient in GIMP? GIMP version 2.2.6 OS Xandros 3.0.2 If you are talking about the blend tool gradients, then see Joao's answer. If you are talking about the gradients which can be edited and saved (such as golden, german flag, FG to BG), then you have the possibility to generate the gardient approxiamtely from an external script (using e.g. octave, scilab, matlab). Thomas Lotze did some Gaussian, exponential and power gradients which are useful for science. See http://www.thomas-lotze.de/en/software/gimp/gradients.html for examples of the old ggr format. The old format is also described in this 2002 discussion: http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2002-May/007044.html Recent gimp such as yours are supposed to be able to work with SVG gradients additionally (I never tried, but it should work). SVG gradient is described at w3c page: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/pservers.html From a user point of view, I think the old format is much easier to use from a script. I hope that helps, Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Logarithmic gradient
Vytautas P. wrote: And where all these gradients stored? ~/.gimp-2.2/gradients contains no files at all. This is the location of your own gradients. That is where you will put the ones you have designed. The ones that come by default with gimp are available for all users. They are thus somewhere in /usr/share/gimp I do not have my linux system at hand, so I cannot tell you the exact location, but you should find it by typing something like: locate gradients | grep gimp in a terminal. Probably /usr/share/gimp/2.0/gradients Best regards, Olivier PS: On my gimp installation (windows), all the gradients are still in .ggr, so I guess this format is here to stay and you can safely use it. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] error compiling the image map plugin
Hi, I tried to compile the 2.2.10 version on my newly installed Mandriva 2006.0 (it compiled perfectly on Mandriva 2005), but I now get the following error while compiling the image map plugin. Any one has a clue ? gcc -g -O2 -Wall -o .libs/imagemap imap_about.o imap_browse.o imap_cern_lex.o imap_cern_parse.o imap_circle.o imap_cmd_clear.o imap_cmd_copy.o imap_cmd_copy_object.o imap_cmd_create.o imap_cmd_cut.o imap_cmd_cut_object.o imap_cmd_delete.o imap_cmd_delete_point.o imap_cmd_edit_object.o imap_cmd_gimp_guides.o imap_cmd_guides.o imap_cmd_insert_point.o imap_cmd_move.o imap_cmd_move_down.o imap_cmd_move_sash.o imap_cmd_move_selected.o imap_cmd_move_to_front.o imap_cmd_move_up.o imap_cmd_object_down.o imap_cmd_object_move.o imap_cmd_object_up.o imap_cmd_paste.o imap_cmd_select.o imap_cmd_select_all.o imap_cmd_select_next.o imap_cmd_select_prev.o imap_cmd_select_region.o imap_cmd_send_to_back.o imap_cmd_unselect.o imap_cmd_unselect_all.o imap_command.o imap_csim_lex.o imap_csim_parse.o imap_default_dialog.o imap_edit_area_info.o imap_file.o imap_grid.o imap_main.o imap_menu.o imap_menu_funcs.o imap_misc.o imap_mru.o imap_ncsa_lex.o imap_ncsa_parse.o imap_object.o imap_object_popup.o imap_polygon.o imap_popup.o imap_preferences.o imap_preview.o imap_rectangle.o imap_selection.o imap_settings.o imap_source.o imap_stock.o imap_statusbar.o imap_string.o imap_table.o imap_taglist.o imap_toolbar.o imap_tools.o ../../libgimp/.libs/libgimpui-2.0.so ../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so ../../libgimp/.libs/libgimp-2.0.so ../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so ../../libgimpbase/.libs/libgimpbase-2.0.so -L/usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so /usr/lib/libcairo.so /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so /usr/lib/libfreetype.so /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so -lXrender -lX11 -lXext -lpng12 -lz -lm imap_csim_parse.o: In function `csim_error': /home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10/plug-ins/imagemap/imap_csim.y:315: undefined reference to `csim_in' /home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10/plug-ins/imagemap/imap_csim.y:315: undefined reference to `csim_restart' imap_csim_parse.o: In function `csim_parse': /home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10/plug-ins/imagemap/y.tab.c:1116: undefined reference to `csim_lex' imap_csim_parse.o: In function `load_csim': /home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10/plug-ins/imagemap/imap_csim.y:323: undefined reference to `csim_in' /home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10/plug-ins/imagemap/imap_csim.y:327: undefined reference to `csim_in' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [imagemap] Erreur 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10/plug-ins/imagemap' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10/plug-ins/imagemap' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10/plug-ins' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/olive/src/gimp-2.2.10' make: *** [all] Erreur 2 I tried disabling python, but it still fails. I configure without print support. The only library configure complains of is the aa one, but it only prints a warning, not an error. And I do not need ascii art support anyway. Thanks for the tips, Best regards, Olivier. PS: for the list of versions of the various libraries in Mandriva 2006: http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/individuals/products/2006discoverylx/packages32 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Smoothing Brush Strokes
Matthew Whitlock wrote: Akkana - Good lead, although it didn't result in any solutions. Changed the file and it read it, but still faceted lines. I'm running GIMP 2.2.10 on XP. I don't think it is a device problem on account of the fact that I have duplicated my problem with both my mouse and tablet, as well as on other machines. I'm surprised that no one else has run into this. Can anyone duplicate my problem? Just draw a circle or arc with a paintbrush really quickly and you will VERY clearly see that it is comprised of strait lines. I scoured the rest of the *rc files without seeing anything of promise. Other leads? Well, I am also running 2.2.10 on XP here, and the only way I can see straight lines is to move my mouse so fast that I am no more able to stay within the limit of the image window... When I do the circle at normal speed, I have absolutely no problem. Try to slow down your mouse speed settings, maybe. And click the enhance pointer precision in the Windows Mouse Properties window (in the Pointer Options tab). Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: CMYK support
Carlos Muncharaz wrote: Hi, I have just added to the mail list and here I bring some questions: What about Gimp support for CMYK color mode? Have you discuss about it? Will Gimp handle CMYK images? Can a graphic designer who works with CMYK images to send to printer work with Linux and Gimp? Hi, Gimp has some support for CYMK colour mode in the sense that you can decompose your RGB image into CYMK. With the help of the separate plugin ( http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/separate.shtml ), you can even save to tiff. But if you need more advanced CYMK tools, you may have a look at either krita (the KDE image tool) or cinepaint. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: CMYK support
Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Olivier Ripoll wrote: Gimp has some support for CYMK colour mode in the sense that you can decompose your RGB image into CYMK. With the help of the separate plugin ( http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/separate.shtml ), you can even save to tiff. But if you need more advanced CYMK tools, you may have a look at either krita (the KDE image tool) or cinepaint. In terms of color management, Cinepaint and GIMP are more or less on a par now (at least, in the 2.3 series). Neither has native CMYK editing, to my knowledge. Well, I have not had a look at cinepaint for a while (I am not in the film industry, so it is not relevant for my use), so I am ready to believe you. Krita's been adding functionality very fast recently - they now have La*b*, CMYK and RGBA, and apparently layer groups are going in soon. I haven't used any later versions yet. [off-topic class=enhancement request] What would be nice for Krita/Gimp/ggl/gegl/whatever would be to also provide the L*u*v* space (CIELUV) because it is more relevant in TV industry than L*a*b* (see Hunt, measuring colour, p66). [/off-topic] And, just to be nitpicking, it is L*a*b* not La*b*. L is the luminance. the CIELAB space is based on the lightness L*. ;) Cheers, Dave. Regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: How to create jpeg files compatible with a sony camera?
Yannick Patois wrote: Hi, When I hack a picture taken with my sony-dsc-s80 camera with the gimp, if I export in jpg, I cant read its format any more (the camera display file error instead of the hacked content). Worse, when I want to print this picture o a public digital picture printer (one of those thing when one can slide her memory card in, select print and get the photo on paper), those hacked pictures are also not taken by the system. What is the right format to choose when exporting? Is there a good selection in the jpeg export dialog (compression mode, etc)? Would I have to choose anopther export format? Use a postprocessing filter after writing a regular jpeg? Thanks for any help. Yannick Hi Yannick, I had a perhaps similar problem with a Sony TV once (a KDS-R50XBR1). The jpeg I created in gimp (a full white screen) was not correctly displayed in the thumbnail view of the TV, and it was not possible to display it. I loaded the image in Irfan Viewer and saved it from there. The file size was different, and the image was perfectly displayed on the Sony TV. Try loading and saving in another program (Irafn on windows/wine or imagemagick convert/display). It might be the same problem. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Golden Letters #2
Michael Schumacher wrote: Olivier Ripoll wrote: Michael Schumacher wrote: Shouldn't be needed with a recent GTK+ (thus recent version of GIMP don't include this plug-in). But see yourself, this already shows that we don't know what went wrong. I have GTK 2.8.6 installed, and copy/paste from gimp to word still requires the copy to clipboard function. Yep, at least for Word 2003... strange, used to work in Word 2000, and works fine in the current versions of Excel and Powerpoint. Maybe a bug in the Office Clipboard? Michael Just for the record: Gimp 2.2.9 and GTK 2.8.6 on one machine, GTK 2.8.7 and gimp 2.3.5 on the other. copy / paste works on both with irfan viewer, MS paint, powerpoint 2000 and excel 2000. copy / paste fails on both in word 2000 copy to clipboard / paste works on gimp 2.2.9 in word 2000 no copy to clipboard option in gimp 2.3.5. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Golden Letters #2
Michael Schumacher wrote: Olivier Ripoll wrote: I think he means that Copy/Paste does not work for him between Gimp and Frontpage. Oh, who would have guessed me? :) I do not have frontpage, but I tried with Word. To copy/paste successfully from Gimp to word, try to use Edit-Copy to clipboard instead of Edit-Copy. Shouldn't be needed with a recent GTK+ (thus recent version of GIMP don't include this plug-in). But see yourself, this already shows that we don't know what went wrong. I have GTK 2.8.6 installed, and copy/paste from gimp to word still requires the copy to clipboard function. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Editing selection paths...
Klerman wrote: Hello, I'm new to GIMP, and I'm trying to use the intelligent scissors. Is there a way I could delete a point once I clicked it ?. TVMIA, Klerman Hi, You can move the points, so by moving one onto one of its neighbours will have the same effect as deleting it. I think you should try using the bezier selection tool instead. There, you have move freedom to move, add or delete points. Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Golden Letters #2
Michael Schumacher wrote: Von: Michael Henke [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried to copy and Paste, but that didn't work out very well. You could start by telling us what exactly didn't work out very well. Michael (S), I think he means that Copy/Paste does not work for him between Gimp and Frontpage. To Michael (H), I do not have frontpage, but I tried with Word. To copy/paste successfully from Gimp to word, try to use Edit-Copy to clipboard instead of Edit-Copy. Another way is to use copy but to paste to another software such as Irfan Viewer and then to copy paste from Irfan to Word (Frontpage). Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Using FRAMES... How?
Ernesto Orozco Coulson wrote: Excuse me, but no flash plugin is needed, in that kind of applications, you export three elements: Images, JavaScript, and a HTML Table. You do not need a Flash Plugin to have it in your browser. Images are discouraged by W3.org? Yes, if they are used to display text. There is no way images can be translated for blind people surfing. And use of tables to position the elements on a page is definitely discouraged by W3C. CSS attributes should be used instead. Oh, and by the way, since you have not yet answered to the people who asked you waht you mean by frame, I am allowed to interpret it as html frame element. Frames has been discouraged by W3C for many many years (probably since around 1997, HTML4 strict having no frames). Dont think so. (just is needed to use the ALT tab) I understand GIMP is not for this now, but why not? Because use the right tool for the job is an important concept. For the same reason, partition magic or windows media player (in *nix wolrd, lets say Kdevelop and totem) are not for writing web pages, and asking why not would not make much sense. would be very useful. I will see if I can contribute in the future about. Have a look at perlotine, webotine, pyslice, split on guide. They could be good starts, and you can choose what language you want. There is also gimp-sharp slice tool which could be handy. regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: jpg
Olivier Ripoll wrote: Gary, Your file loads perfectly on my Gimp 2.2.8 on Windows at work. I will try it tonight on my self-compiled gimps at home on Mandriva LE2005. I confirm your image loads perfectly on a Mandriva LE 2005 under both gimp 2.2.8 and 2.3.4. Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: jpg
Ok, I am trying to bring the conversation back on list: See my answer at the bottom of the message. This did not show up on the list. Maybe because of the attachment. I am therefore sending it directly to you. Gary Bruno de Oliveira Schneider wrote: On 10/25/05, Gary Montalbine wrote: I rececently downloaded photos from my camera as jpg. Gimp 2.3.4 will not load them. Some earlier ones do load. However gimp seems to be selective in which jpg file it wants to use. What am I doing wrong? I never had a problem loading JPGs. Pehaps you have a faulty instalation. Do you get any error messages? Can you make one such file avaliable to us? Attached is one that will not open. I downloaded it from my camera using Gthumb. It opens in Gthumb and a couple of other viewers. Some older jpgs do open. I have no error messages. The cpu goes to 100% usage and stays there. The only way I can stop it is to close Gimp. I was using version 2.2 when the problem started. I then went to 2.3 thinking it might then load. I am using ML2006 and xorg6.9. I never had a problem with 2005 and xorg 6.8. Does Gimp have a plugin I could use to download from the camera? Gimp does preview the jpg when I access the file. It just won't load. Gary Gary, Your file loads perfectly on my Gimp 2.2.8 on Windows at work. I will try it tonight on my self-compiled gimps at home on Mandriva LE2005. Sincerely, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: jpg
Olivier Ripoll wrote: Then again, bringing the conversation back on list: See my answer at the bottom of the message. Gimp does preview the jpg when I access the file. It just won't load. Gary Gary, Your file loads perfectly on my Gimp 2.2.8 on Windows at work. I will try it tonight on my self-compiled gimps at home on Mandriva LE2005. The jpg opened on my wife's box. She is using LE2005 and gimp 2.2. I then forwarded it back to me and it still would not open. I think the problem is somewhere in kernel 2.6.12.12, ML2006 or xorg6.9 and gimp. Neither gimp 2.2 or 2.3 would open the jpeg. I tried some earlier jpgs and some gave me a crashed message while trying to open while others did nothing except run the cpu at 100%. Is there anyone else using ML 2006 that is having the same problem? Gary. Gary, It seems you bug is with Mandriva 2006. Could you check if this bug from their database: http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19273 correspond to what you observe. If so, please add a comment to the bug so they can see that at least 3 persons confirm it. Sincerely, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: jpg
Gary Montalbine wrote: I rececently downloaded photos from my camera as jpg. Gimp 2.3.4 will not load them. Some earlier ones do load. However gimp seems to be selective in which jpg file it wants to use. What am I doing wrong? Gary Could you give more details about what you mean by gimp will not load them. For instance, does gimp display any error message (in a pop-up window) ? If not, can you open in in a console (e.g. xterm on unices or command window in windows). Do you see any error messages there ? Also, can you try with a stable version of gimp, preferably the latest, 2.2.8 and does it work ? Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: RE : Using lab
cedric GEMY wrote: Lab is very interesting for photo retouch because Luminosity (better said Luminance) is separated from colors. According to the Wyszecki Stiles (Color Science) or to Hunt (Measuring Colour), L* is lightness, not luminance, so better said Ligntness. :P It is the most complete color model so that Photoshop uses it when you want to change the color mode. + gives more precise result. But out of that, it is much more difficult to conceive things with L*a*b. Gimp does not implement it except in the Decompose Filter. May be another thing to do :) I think this is in the scope of GEGL. However, I would be disappointed if CIELAB (L*a*b* coordinates) was in and not CIELUV (L*u*v* coordinates). The LAB are more used in printing industry and LUV in display (e.g. TV) industries, and I think Gimp is has always been more for displayed images than for printed ones... It is also easier to use. Regards, Olivier. Cedric ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Grammar checker.
michael chang wrote: On 10/17/05, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, please! I never intende rto start a kde vs gnomefight in the gimp-user list. Sorry, I believe my words may have come out the wrong way, and I didn't think before making the post. Both are excellent. Again, apologies. One asked for a feature - I simply showed where a similar feature is implemented, and suggested a way to implement it without clutter the GIMP with non-image related code. Michael, Joao I haven't seen any fight. I have never read your emails as a KDE vs Gnome fight. And mine should not be read as such either :) Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Grammar checker.
michael chang wrote: On 10/17/05, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 17 October 2005 04:40 pm, Olivier Ripoll wrote: Robin Laing wrote: Saw this in Slashdot. Abiword beats OpenOffice to a Grammar Checker http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/15/1312216fr om=rss I haven't wanted a grammar checker since Windows 3.1 days. Well, you could write a plugin for it, but I do not know under which category of plugin it could be included in gimp... perhaps misc or as an option in the text tool... Sincerely, Well, there is more than one year that KDE had included spell cheking in everytext entry. I do not see why in the future spell and grammar checking could not go globally into GTK text entries thenselves. Efficiency. As it stands, KDE is very ... consumer-oriented, toward (i.e.) people who use it as a consumer desktop. (I know of a 12 year old and a 9 year old who prefer KDE because when they click to start an application, there's a little bouncing icon next to the mouse cursor.) I like Gnome/GTK because it has a nice, clean, usable, uncluttered interface. Do we really have to start a Gnome vs. KDE flamewar ? ;) Well, why not, it is always funny : I mean, what I like in GTK and Gnome is the better colour scheme and icons (Tigert and Jimmac work). And GTK apps usually start faster than KDE's when you do not use any desktop environment (or use use a third party one, e.g. XFCE, E17). Apart from that, I think as for being usable, KDE is lightyears ahead from Gnome. But I am not a Mac user, so that may explain my feeling. I mean: Every time I try Gnome, I start being upset and insult my computer after a while (10 minutes). I am frustrated. I also sometimes have this feeling at work under Windows (esp. when it comes to using MS Word ;) ). I never get upset when I use XFCE/E16/E17... or KDE :-). But KDE looks ugly. E17 is probably the way to go when it is finished. I think KDE is not as consumer oriented as Gnome, by the way. Gnome is having much more communication that KDE. Actually, since you can configure nearly everything in KDE the way you want, I would say I think KDE is computer-people-oriented, while Gnome is like MacOS, artist/designer/kids-oriented. That said, KDE is good for some things, too (e.g. KPovModeller, Kate, when editing POV-Ray scripts (www.povray.org)). Well, Gnome is good for some things too (e.g. Gimp, Inkscape, Bluefish) ;) Sorry, I could not resist :) Sincerely, Olivier. -- ~Mike - Just my two cents - No man is an island, and no man is unable. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Grammar checker.
Robin Laing wrote: Saw this in Slashdot. Abiword beats OpenOffice to a Grammar Checker http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/15/1312216from=rss I haven't wanted a grammar checker since Windows 3.1 days. Well, you could write a plugin for it, but I do not know under which category of plugin it could be included in gimp... perhaps misc or as an option in the text tool... Sincerely, O. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: curve corners
Jad Madi wrote: Hi, how to create curve corners with Gimp like these ones http://www.sitepoint.com/examples/roundcorners/box-corners5.htm please advise. The most straightforward way that come to my mind is the following: 1 - Place 2 crossed guides at the centre of you image. This will define the centre of the four corners. 2 - Create a round selection centered on this point: 2a - In the tool options (should be located under the tools, if not, double-click the ellipse selection icon to make them appear), set the following: check antialiasing, uncheck the two other ones. Then in the drop-down menu, select fixed size. Set the width and height to the double of the curvature radius you want (i.e. the double of the width and height of the rounded corner, e.g. 2*10 = 20). 2b - Click on the intersection of the two guides and drag. A round selection of required size appear. To have in centred on the guides, press CRTL. Now release the mouse click. 3 - Fill it with the desired colour: Select a foreground colour by double clicking on the foreground colour icon in the toolbox. Choose the new forground colour. Then drag and drop the foreground colour from the toolbox (or from the coulour selector window) to the image. press CTRL+SHIFT+A to unselect. 4 - select the corner (=1/4 of the disc): 4a - Select the retangle selection tool, and choose fixed size, with the width you have decided for you corner image (in our example, 10). 4b - Click on the image, on the intersection as before and drag towards the top left. A square selection will appear defining the top left corner. 5- create an image from it: press CTRL-C, and then right click on the image and choose Edit-Paste as new. 6- repeat steps 4b and 5 for the three other corners. You now have four images, each for one corner. You can also just use one image and rotate it 90° (Image-Transform-Rotate 90° CW) to generate the three others. Sincerely, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] nice presentation of Gimp 2.4
Since I haven't seen this yet, I'll mention it: A quite good presentation of Gimp 2.4 can be found on Newsforge (found thanks to LWN): http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/09/28/1345228from=rss It lacks some info, such as the transient window thing, but I found it to be overall well done. Sincerely, Oliv ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: gimp and PS
perry wrote: I am debating whether to go to Linux for the cost of p'shop CS2. CS2 presently allows the use of its tool palate when working with a 48/16 bit image. Will the Gimp allow me to do similar, and will it generally do the same (or even better) than CS2?? Thanks Perry If you are looking for a software working with 48 bits images (16 bits per channel), Gimp cannot help you. However, you still can use Gimp's cousin, cinepaint (google for it for the exact website). Its interface is however not as nice as gimp and I think it is not as stable. But the pair Cinepaint + Gimp probably can replace PS for most users. I think you may also use wine to run photoshop under linux. Or the codeweaver version of wine if you want better results: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/ Best regards, Olivier. PS: [off-topic] there are still some people who do not accept HTML posting in mailing-lists/newsgroup. I think you should try sending your messages as text to increase the chances to get an answer. HTML mails look ugly. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Change color (pdf)
Til Schubbe wrote: Hi, I have a pdf document (one sheet) which contains the background color (white) and a 2nd color (writing, black). How can I replace one specific color in the whole document (the writing color) by another? I found how to change the color of contigous areas but that's not what I want. TIA Til Hello, Have you tried Select-by color ? (there might be a tool in your toolbox for that, depending on your gimp configuration, it looks like a hand with one finger pointing on 3 colored rectangles). You can set the threshold in the tool options window to refine your selection borders. Then click on the writing to select all of it, and drag and drop the new colour you want to the image window. Regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Web colour palette choice helper
symbulos - ethical services (external mailing lists) wrote: Dear friends, do you know if there is a piece of additional software / plug in /external software, which does give you the possibility of picking one colour, then proposes a palette of compatible colours for a webpage? Something which helps you selecting a palette of compatible colour for designing web pages. Thanks There are some links about this topic there: http://www.websitetips.com/color/ Some software are for MacOSX, some are javascript or online tools, but most of them are probably for Windows. But you did not specify which OS you are using ;) Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Possible bug in using cut-and-paste of images.
Helen wrote: I get a partial image the same size as the original one I tried to resize but it only containing a corner of the enlarged image. I think that this is a bug. If I am understanding you correctly, I get the same behavior. I have thought (I still think) it was a problem with me -- with my not being able to figure out how to do this correctly. I have a large photo, I want to make it fit a smaller space, I scale, type in numbers or drag a corner, and I get a corner portion of my original photo, writ huge. Are you sure you're performing the operation correctly? Seems to me we're having the same problem. Helen I am not sure I understand both of your descirptions, but I had to add two steps to obtain the desired result: 4b - create a new layer for the paste floating selection (new layer button in the layers window) 5-Select scale tool, set the Affect option in the tool option to Transform Layer. I hope this can do the trick for you. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Windows file dialog
Timo Steuerwald wrote: Hello all, is there a way how I can get the common windows open and save file dialog in the windows version of GIMP? Bye, Timo Hi Timo, Short answer: no. Longer answer: If you are a skilled gtk programmer, you can provide a patch to change the gimp to use the common one or to emulate its look. However, I am not enough an expert to evaluate the possibility that it could integrate well with the existing code (i.e. not break the linux/*BSD code). And I am not sure the developers would be happy to maintain several window layouts in the code. Remark: There is not really any common open and save window under windows. My notepad (MS program) open window is different from my Word (another MS program) window. It is also different from the Matlab one or the Irfan Viewer open window. Most of the applications provide their own window most of the time. There seems to be a open window that is more often used (at least under XP), so I guess you are taling about that one. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: still lacking plugin support??
McAfee wrote: I have the latest versions of libjpeg, libpng, libtiff and libXpm installed with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set accordingly. I also downloaded and installed gimpprint, and gimp-help. After three compile attempts... 1) I still cannot save in any other format other than .xcf Could you give us more detail, for instance: - are there some error messages when you try to save in other formats or just nothing happens ? - launching gimp from a terminal, do you see messages printed when you try to save to a .png or a .jpeg ? 2) There is still no 'file/print' menu option there should be some useful information when you configure and/or make the gimp about missing libraries and skipped functionalities. 3) The help-browser module still doesn't get built you need to install gtkhtml for this (it required on my distro to install some additional gnome packages IIRC) Thanks for any help? The new (gimp2) save windows is different from the old (gimp1.x) one. by default, the gimp is set to save according to the file name you give, based on the extension. Maybe all you need to do is to type this extension. Best regards, Olivier. Graeme P.S.: System: Solaris-sparc9 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Some resources?
Erica wrote: I am currently looking for extra gradients, brushes, and patterns for the GIMP. I have a project and I don't think the provided tools are sufficient. Does anyone know some sites that provide the tools I mentioned above for download? Thnx in advance. You can fine really nice brushes and patterns there: http://www.artcamilla.dk/vaultage/cornucopia/ and also at the graphics Muse stuff: http://www.graphics-muse.com/gfxmuse/muse-brushes-1.html http://www.graphics-muse.com/gfxmuse/muse-brushes-2.html http://www.graphics-muse.com/gfxmuse/muse-patterns.html Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: A couple of game oriented plug-ins
Centipede wrote: Hope you all aren't too tired of incessantly hearing about my pet projects :) Well, I do not know for the others, but I am certainly not tired of you work. Just jealous ;) I might as well announce the latest one here too (for those of you who also visits gug.sunsite.dk). They continue where layer styles left off, but develops into whatever seems a good idea. I have a few more plug-ins planned for light effects and various gizmos'n'gadgets in game-style gfx. http://artcamilla.dk/vaultage/articles/the6502s/articles-gimp/camilla-game-tools/article.html Have fun, centipede Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: gegl
Richard Nagle wrote: when will gegel be add into gimp? Thanks- Rick Hello Richard, In the open source world, when someone ask for when ?, the usual answer is when it's ready. It is very hard for the developers to give you an estimation for such a question, since they do not control some issues such as: - the time they will have to integrate gegl in the future - the number of people who will join the effort - the problems that will be discovered when merging gegl Thus the typical when it's ready. Everyone would like gegl to be integrated as soon as possible. Gimp even received in the past some money to do it. But the task is hard and there are other tasks to do (bugs, interface improvements, new plugins, tiny-fu replacement, better brushes, etc.). I am not a developer. My answer is just to present you some reasons why no one will commit on a date for gegl integration, even if everyone thinks it is the biggest feature in gimp development since migration to gtk2 (from the user perspective). As a joke, I could also say: gegl integration is planned to be done when the Debian make their next stable release, but I think this would be too early ;) Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: GIMP merchandising
Dave Neary wrote: Hi all, Hi Dave, Since you asked on the gimp-user list, I guess even users like me (whose contribution can be counted on the fingers the hand of any leper) is requested. By coincidence, a Brazilian mug-dealer has been asking today on the list (maybe someone could answer him by the way) for the permission to use Wilber's picture ((c) by Tigert, isn't it). How does this official merchandiser relationship fit with the fact that Wilber's logo is GPLed. Could this Brazilian guy still use the gimp's logo and write the GIMP on his mugs ? Or are you planning to impose a restriction on the license of the Wilber image and the GIMP's name ? I'm just asking... Best regards, Olivier. PS: I just noticed today that copyleft is no more. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] gtk version for gimp 2.3.0
Hi, What is the minimal requirement on the gtk/glib front for gimp 2.3.0 ? I have gtk 2.4.6 and since my computer has no internet access, upgrading libraries is a real pain... Also, I do not want to download 15MiB of archive from work to read after that in the install file that I cannot use it ;) Thanks, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Inserting images
Erica De Jesus wrote: Hi, It might appeal stupid (or not) to some people here, but how do you insert images? The thing I do is open another window with the image that I want, and copy and paste. Is there an easier way? Thnx in advance. Erica You can use drag and drop: - Drag and drop to the toolbox creates a new window. You can drag from the Layer, Channels ... window (the layer thumbnails) or from the windows explorer (the file manager) - Drag and drop to an image window will create a new layer in the image containing the dragged content. As previously, you can drag from the windows explorer or from Gimp thumbnails. So in you case, the easiest way is to drag from the windows explorer into you image window. Regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Window issue
Erica De Jesus wrote: I am currently experiencing problems with the GIMP Deweirdifyer plug-in. It claims to make GIMP stay in one window, one icon in the task bar, but it doesn't. I am using Windows XP with GIMP v2.2.7 and the description in the official GIMP plug-ins site says it supports XP. It only shows the background window that was supposed to handle the GIMP windows, but the GIMP's toolbox and windows were still in a different window. Does anyone know how to fix this, or is the plug-in really non-working? The deweirdifyer (what a weird name) is badly broken. Better not using it if you do not want to have unexpected crashes or weird situations (like windows still visible that do not actually exist if I remember correctly). Regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: modular GIMP
Sven Neumann wrote: On a totally unrelated topic, I haven't seen any announcement on the mailing lists for gimp 2.2.7 yet ;) From the changelog, it is mainly a small-bug fixes, but there is one line with the word memleak What are you trying to tell us with these vague statements? Sven That 1) an announcement of Gimp 2.2.7 would be welcome on the gimp-devel and gimp-user mailing lists. I do not usually check the web site. And that 2) if the announcement could contain some explanations on what is new and or what important bugs were corrected, it would be also nice :) Is it highly recommended to upgrade ? Here is what I could gather from the changelog: fixes for bugs #303371 (tile-cache-size 4GB causes warnings) #303379 (Typo in description of gimp_image_scale) #164281 (Resize window on Zoom feature is overzealous) #164061 (lighten only (layer mode)) #302400 (close dialog's labels included in focus chain) #302075 (Lightning Effects plugin - artifacts in transparent background) #151767 (File descriptor leak in egg_recent_model_add_full) #301557 (Saving of grayscale TIFF fails (Bits/sample must be 1 for Group 3/4 encoding/decoding)) #301523 (Thumbnail of filters preview is not selection aware) #301524 (reload gradients in gflare) #301432 (New PDF files have large gap at top of image) #301028 (.xcf text layers no longer editable as text on re-open) #301033 (Layer previews do not update if colormap is changed) other changes without bug numbers * plug-ins/pygimp/plug-ins/clothify.py: don't reset the passed parameters to default values. Spotted by Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris. * tools/pdbgen/pdb/image.pdb: plugged a small memleak. * plug-ins/common/mail.c (create_headers): set charset to UTF-8. * plug-ins/common/newsprint.c: Redo comment for spot_PSsquare and spot_PSdiamonds, since the code was not a derived work in the copyright sense. It is a C implementation of the same algorithm. * libgimp/gimpdrawable.[ch] (gimp_drawable_get_tile) (gimp_drawable_get_tile2): cleanup gint/gboolean confusion (spotted by Maurits Rijk). * app/app_procs.c: register handler for the GimpPaint log domain. Of course, I would not have had to go and dig in bugzilla if the web site annoucement had contained a link to this: http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS-2.2 Regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: image preview in file selection
Sven Neumann wrote: There is no reason why there shouldn't be thumbnails in the file selector on Win32 and indeed a lot of users report that there are thumbnails. So perhaps you should go to the Preferences dialog and enable them again since most likely you just disabled them for whatever reason. They are on by default. Sven Oh, I thought these preferences were related to thumbnails written on disk (like the old time .xvpics or the more recent freedesktop standard or the ones the windows explorer is putting everywhere by default). So is it possible to have thumbnails in the open window and nothing saved on disk ? I do not care on linux to have thumbnails since my file manager creates some (Rox-Filer), but under windows, it is undesirable. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] hint for guadec accomodation
Since I am not subscribed to gimp-devel where the topic is tackled, I will open a thread here. I have used night-and-day.de two years ago for a one month accomodation in Stuttgart. It is much less expensive that Hotels. I haven't seen it mentionned on the Guadec accomodation page: link in english and german: http://night-and-day.de/opencms/action/nightandday/welcome?lang=en http://night-and-day.de/opencms/action/nightandday/welcome?lang=de This company proposes rooms / flats in Stuttgart. They put you in contact with the owners and you pay the owners directly. Good luck, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: modular GIMP
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, David Marrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I quite like the idea of seeing the signal path laid out in a modular form. You can see the channels flowing through the layers, which layers have filters operating on them and how this affects the signal. It would certainly be useful from the point of view of understanding how an image gets processed in the GIMP. You just described the image processing graph which is the basic concept we are trying to implement with GEGL. Sven Hi Sven, I have been following the GEGL mailing-list via the gmane.org newsgroup server and I see no real traffic in the last months (for this year actually, like if it stopped on new year's day). Is this a gmane issue or has there really been no traffic since last December ? On a totally unrelated topic, I haven't seen any announcement on the mailing lists for gimp 2.2.7 yet ;) From the changelog, it is mainly a small-bug fixes, but there is one line with the word memleak Regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Save dialog: can I get some sort of history?
Mikhail Ramendik wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: It is left to the file-list. In the Save dialog, it is hidden in the Browse for other folders section but of course these bookmarks are shared between Open and Save dialogs (in all GTK+ applications). Could one somehow make the browse for other folders section open by default? I will probably say a stupid thing here, but I think it would go against the HIG (Human Interface Guidelines) of Gnome: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/principles-simplicity.html Regards, Olivier. PS: (My personal opinion is that the HIG has to be changed and the options of filetype and location should be visible.) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: enlightenment traps ALT. what to do?
Tim Olsen wrote: Hello. My window manager, enlightenment, is trapping ALT key presses. I would like to be able to set a vertical guide at point measured by the measuring tool. This is done by pressing ALT and clicking the mouse. I've tried shift-ALT but it appears enlightenment is trapping that too. Has anyone had this problem before? How do I get around this? thanks, Tim If you are using E0.16, press CTRL+ALT. I do not know if it works for the 0.17 version. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: when even free advertising fails]
Alan Horkan wrote: [please trim the subject line in your responses] What can the GNU Image Manipulation Program do that Adobe Photoshop cannot do? Please do tell. I have recently pointed out that the gimp allows you to have files with multiple layers in Indexed Mode and photoshop does not. I would like to be able to expand on this list of things I know the gimp can do better. Hi Alan, * There is the possibility to use Gimp as a server like for http://www.flamingtext.com/ http://cooltext.com/ I guess this will not be considered a big plus untill google introduces some similar tool. * The availability of three scripting languages, one of them being actually easy to understand (guess which ;) ) * I seem to remember that it was mentionned that Gimp can load some pictures with large dimensions (like 1*N N being very large) while PS fails (I am not talking about N*M, where N and M are big here). I think a scientific person add raised this point last year. * The recent possibility to use gimp without interface. * The possibility to use it on *nix systems. This is useful for companies using linux farms. * 64 bits ready ! Sure, some of the points apply to niche markets. But CYMK is mostly useless for most personal use (web, home printing) and so also relates to some small market share (same for 16bits per channels and floating points). Best regards, Olivier. I would very sincerely be interested to know other things you can do with the GNU Image manipulation program that cannot be done with other software, particuarly things that cannot be done in Adobe Photoshop. No need to go into the obvious well known issues of price, and Free Software which although important have been discussed to death many times before and are usually given as the best reasons for using the gimp (they are very good reasons). - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: image preview in file selection
Michael Schumacher wrote: With the new file selector, is it possible to have the thumbnail view that the previous file selector had? How about trying it yourself? :) HTH, Michael Michael, On Windows version of gimp, there is no thumbnail in the open window. If you know a way to have thumnails there, please tell me how, I would like to have it working as on my linux box at home. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Cannot paint on transparent layer?
Kalle Ounapuu wrote: When I create a new transparent layer I can't seem to paint on it with the Paintbrush. When filling the layer with color (fill tool), now I am able to use the Paintbrush. Do I have to do something after creating a new transparent layer to be able to Paint on the transparency with the paint brush? Thanks, Kalle Please look in the layer, channels and pathsdock, layer section. At the right of the Mode dropdown widget, there is a checkbox next to a checkeboard icon. The tooltip says keep transparency. When it is check, paintbrush, pen or fill tools cannot paint on parts of the layer that are transparent. If you uncheck the box, all tools can paint everywhere on the layer. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Save dialog: can I get some sort of history?
Owen wrote: On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:20:41 +0200 Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to somehow have the Save dialog store this directory iin some form of history, so I could easily select it? There's the bookmarks pane on the left. You can add your directory there for quick access. I am probably missing something. Where is this bookmark pane? Have a look at this (old) screenshot of the open dialog. http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots/gimp-open-dialog.png The Save dialog is very similar (without the preview pane). The bookmarks are on the left, under the Home, Desktop, Filesystem ... icons. You see an horizontal line, and folders that are in realioty bookmarks to folders. You can add and remove bookmarks with the add and remove buttons (the are active whem a folder is selected). Of course, the first time (when creating the bookmark) you need to click on the Browse for other folders cross to access this view. Best regards, Olivier. If I do File-Save as I get a dialogue box which allows me to save in Home Desktop Filesystem Mail? or the directory where the image came from The only way I can get to another directory is to navigate there, and navigate there every time. Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Newbie having trouble with layers, text and otherwise
John's Mac wrote: [...] Now, to the point: [...] OK, so I have tried using resize canvas. That added some space at the bottom. Here's what I'm seeing now: My central image has white space on three sides as a result of previous layer resizing. The layer containing the central image has a yellow and black dotted line around it--that's the layer boundary. On the bottom, the image touches the layer boundary, and below this layer boundary there is a checkerboard pattern. That checkerboard is the result of the canvas resize you recommended. I suspect that the image might be extending into new canvas space, but I can't see it. Is that checkerboard pattern a background coloring that I should change, or is it the default look of an empty canvas space? Is the bottom of the image hiding somewhere in that checkerboard? Where to go from here... Hi John, The checkerboard pattern is a visual representation (cue?) of the ultimate background. Think of the layer structures in terms of transparent plastic slides like they use when making anime or special effects in movies. When you see the checkerboard, it means this area of the image is transparent. If you want to have a white background for your postcard, you can add a new layer of white colour. There exists also a function in gimp that transform the layered structure of the image (i.e. the many layers) into one single opaque layer: it is called Flatten in Gimp's jargon (image or layer menu, I do not remember). However, if you are using a printer, I think you should not need to add the white background. I guess printers assume the paper sheets are white and transparent = white = no ink for printers. Sincerely, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: when even free advertising fails
David Marrs wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: Having all possible toggles visible in a toolbar in the image window be a major waste of screen estate. Sven Not being able to maximse the image window to full screen is a major waste of screen estate. View-Fullscreen (or simply F11) will maximize the image to full screen. You can also use the maximize button of the window manager to have the window maximized (with decorations, etc.) All I'm talking about is sacrificing 20 pixels' worth of height. If you don't want it there then switch it off. Besides, I'm not talking about *all* the possible toggles, just the useful and important ones. I started working on this yesterday. When I've finished I'll put together a presentation for the list to consider. That is a nice thing. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Newbie having trouble with layers, text and otherwise
John Grimmett and Loreta Medina wrote: Hello, everyone. I'm brand new to GIMP for Mac, so first a hearty hello! For my first project with GIMP, I'm trying to make a postcard for an art exhibition. I started by opening the central image that I want on the card, then I adjusted the size of the layer containing the image to 6.75 X 4.75 inches, the approximate dimension of most postcards, with a little extra at bottom for some text info. Now, here's where I'm having trouble: I want to place a text layer on the image, but with only part of the text on the image. The rest of the text should be dangling off the image, with a line of text in the extra white space under the image. So, I typed the text I wanted into the text tool window. The part of the text that lies on the image is visible, but the part that dangles off into the white space below is invisible. I can't see it. This seems to be a problem with the way the two layers--the one with the image and the one with the text--are interacting. It seems that after I enter a text layer, I can no longer see the entire image layer, including the extra white space at bottom. Likewise, it seems that whatever I put into the text layer dangling off the image itself, I cannot see. Any guidance? Please... I have a deadline for this project. Thank you. Regards John Grimmett Hi John, I am not sure to understand everything you said, so I will ask you a few questions: What you want is a white frame (6.75x4.75 inches) around an image (smaller), and some text at the bottom overlapping both the image and the white frame, right? You said you adjusted the size of the layer containing the image to 6.75 x 4.75 inches, did you adjusted using Layer boundary size... (in the Layer menu or right-clicking on the layer in the Layers, Channels... window) or by Canvas Size... (in the Image menu) ? I suspect you have used the first one which would result in what you describe, while what you really want is not to use the second. Sincerely, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
