Re: FELV kittens

[glenda Goodman]

Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer an
email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I feel
very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to this
site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten about
a month ago, I discovered this site and have been
reading everything possible trying to understand these
diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I have a
little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so intelligent,
so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+...
 My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV comes
through the queen there is a chance the kittens could
beat the disease with good diet and environments, no
stress and could someday test negative. If there is
anyone out there that can give people in our situation
some hope our kittens can beat this disease please
share what you know that we do not...Thank you.
Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding
someone wonderful enough to help you with those
kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska
--- Heather Wienker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello-
> 
> I am new to this group, having  trapped an injured
> Mom kitty at my new job,
> who turned out to be FELV & FIV positive and a
> nursing Mom.  This was in
> April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two weeks of
> changing jobs, I work
> with ferals and it's been one of those years...it's
> especially sad as I'm
> told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was not
> injured at the time,
> they got a kitten from her that was negative (so she
> may have been as well),
> and she went back out unspayed even though they
> (incorrectly) thought she
> was declawed.   This whole thing could have been
> avoided, and Mom is a very
> sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this world.
>  She has an eye and ear
> injury and is very meek and depressed.
> 
> Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both
> FELV & FIV, two only + for
> FIVsadly, they have now retested + for leukemia.
>  Three cleared the FIV,
> the fourth may have as well but the person who has
> him has not retested yet
> (I have no control over this unless I take the
> kitten from her permanently
> and have not been able to find a foster, I have no
> room whatsoever myself,
> it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of impasse
> in dealing with the
> ladies at work as they've wanted me to place them
> asap and me only having a
> sanctuary option available a little further down the
> road).  The kittens are
> approx. 4 months old and very social.
> 
> We haven't been able to find homes or foster homes
> and the ladies who
> currently have them had given me until June 30 to
> find homes or fosters or
> they would have them euthanized.  They haven't done
> so yet but one is taking
> hers to a different (very large, over 700 cats)
> sanctuary this Sunday, which
> I am troubled by as this kitten is extremely social
> and has lived indoors
> since 5 weeks of age, though of course I appreciate
> the help of a reputable
> sanctuary.
> 
> I don't have much time on the one kitten, but will
> continue to search for
> homes for the other 3; two of them have been
> together all this time and are
> very bonded, those are the two who initially were
> only FIV+ but retested
> positive for leukemia.  I know this is confusing,
> but basically, 4 FELV+
> kittens need homes, two need a home together.   All
> have been tested twice
> but the 4th whom I do not have in my
> posession...it's been a difficult
> situation without going into it further on dynamics.
>   I am heavily involved
> with multiple colonies and have exhausted all of my
> rescue
> friends/resources as far as fosters or homes go for
> the many kitties I am
> trying to help, including these guys who are
> difficult to place as FELV+.
> 
> If anyone knows persons who might be interested in
> adopting one or two FELV+
> kittens from Tampa, Florida, please pass this along.
> 
> Thank you all for loving FELV+ Kitties!
> -- 
> Heather
> 



   
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Re: FELV kittens

[glenda Goodman]

HIDEYO, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS HOW COMMON IS IT FOR
THESE KITTENS BORN TO A FeLV+ QUEEN TO THROW OFF THE
VIRUS?  THERE WERE SIX KITTENS FROM THIS LITTER AND
ALL WERE ADOPTED BY LOVING PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING AND
HOLDING ON TO THEIR KITTIES, HOPING THAT THEY WILL BE
ABLE TO FIGHT THIS DISEASE OFF. THEY WERE ADOPTED OUT
OF A RESCUE ORGANIZATION IN MONTANA THAT HAS SINCE
CHANGED IT'S POLICY...WHERE IT HAS NOW DECIDED TO TEST
ALL MOMMY CATS WITH LITTERS AS THE BABIES ARE TOO
YOUNG TO TEST SOMETIMES BEFORE BEING ADOPTED OUT...AT
LEAST IF THE MOMMY TESTS POSITIVE THE PEOPLE CAN BE
TOLD AND IF WILLING TO TAKE ON A POSITIVE KITTEN CAN
TEST AGAIN LATER. IT IS A TRICKY SITUATION NO MATTER
HOW YOU LOOK AT IT AS A MOMMY CAT COULD TEST A FALSE
POSITIVE...AND THIS COULD CONDEMN A WHOLE LITTER OF
KITTENS...THANKS TO YOU OR ANYONE OUT THERE
EXPERIENCED IN WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH HERE...GLENDA
IN NEBRASKA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Statistically  - about 2/3 of kitties who are
> exponsed to the virus end up throw off the virus -
> and, I believe that chances are better if a kitty is
> older when they are actually exposed to the virus.
> 
> There is no way for us to know how reliable this
> statisic informaiton is -- but we know that it does
> happen..
> 
> Though your kitty may not throw off the virus, it
> does not mean the immediate death sentense... There
> are many people on the list whose felk kitties live
> for a long time healthfully -- so , please don't be
> in despair.. 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: glenda
> Goodman<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> 
>   Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:41 PM
>   Subject: Re: FELV kittens
> 
> 
>   Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer
> an
>   email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I
> feel
>   very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to
> this
>   site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten
> about
>   a month ago, I discovered this site and have been
>   reading everything possible trying to understand
> these
>   diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I
> have a
>   little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so
> intelligent,
>   so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+...
>My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV
> comes
>   through the queen there is a chance the kittens
> could
>   beat the disease with good diet and environments,
> no
>   stress and could someday test negative. If there
> is
>   anyone out there that can give people in our
> situation
>   some hope our kittens can beat this disease please
>   share what you know that we do not...Thank you.
>   Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding
>   someone wonderful enough to help you with those
>   kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska
>   --- Heather Wienker
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> 
>   > Hello-
>   > 
>   > I am new to this group, having  trapped an
> injured
>   > Mom kitty at my new job,
>   > who turned out to be FELV & FIV positive and a
>   > nursing Mom.  This was in
>   > April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two
> weeks of
>   > changing jobs, I work
>   > with ferals and it's been one of those
> years...it's
>   > especially sad as I'm
>   > told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was
> not
>   > injured at the time,
>   > they got a kitten from her that was negative (so
> she
>   > may have been as well),
>   > and she went back out unspayed even though they
>   > (incorrectly) thought she
>   > was declawed.   This whole thing could have been
>   > avoided, and Mom is a very
>   > sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this
> world.
>   >  She has an eye and ear
>   > injury and is very meek and depressed.
>   > 
>   > Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both
>   > FELV & FIV, two only + for
>   > FIVsadly, they have now retested + for
> leukemia.
>   >  Three cleared the FIV,
>   > the fourth may have as well but the person who
> has
>   > him has not retested yet
>   > (I have no control over this unless I take the
>   > kitten from her permanently
>   > and have not been able to find a foster, I have
> no
>   > room whatsoever myself,
>   > it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of
> impasse
>   > in dealing with the
>   > ladies at work as they've wanted me to place
> them
>   > asap and me only having a
>   > sanctuary option available a little further down
> the
>   > road).  The kittens a

RE: FELV kittens

[glenda Goodman]

KERRY, HI! WELL IT LOOKS LIKE MY EMAILS ARE GETTING
THROUGH. THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK TO US PEOPLE WITH
THE FeLV+ KITTENS. I AM GRATEFUL THAT MY VET HAD GIVEN
ME SOME HOPE, ALTHOUGH THE OTHER DAY I HAD MY KITTEN
RE-TESTED AND IT WAS AGAIN POSITIIIVE, BUT I HAD ONLY
WAITED ABOUT 3-WEEKS. MY VET WAS LESS OPTIMISTIC THIS
TIME. I THINK SHE DID NOT WANT ME TO FEEL TOO HOPEFUL.
THE VET I USED BEFORE HAD OFFERED TO PUT MY KITTEN
DOWN THE MINUTE THE TEST CAME BACK POS. HE WAS TRYING
TO RELIEVE ME OF MY PAIN, BUT I RAN OUT OF THE CLINIC
WITH MY KITTY AND FOUND A MORE CAT-FRIENDLY VET...I
BELIEVE AND HOPE SOMEONE BETTER INFORMED..
WELL, THE FACT ONE OF YOUR KITTENS EVENTUALLY TESTED
NEG. IS A BRIGHT SPOT. WAS THIS FROM A LITTER FROM
WHERE THE OTHERS NEVER THREW THE VIRUS OR WAS THIS A
COMPLETELY SEPERATE CAT? HOW OLD WERE THE KITTENS YOU
HAD BEFORE THEY DEVELOPED SYMPTONS AND PASSED AWAY?  I
KNOW THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS IS HARD...WE ARE JUST ALL
TRYING TO LEARN ALL WE CAN ABOUT THIS DISEASE AND HOW
BEST TO DEAL WITH IT. KERRY, THANK YOU SO MUCH! 
GLENDA IN NEBRASKA  
--- "MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda and Heather
> I haven't read your previous posts (and I'm at work,
> so have to be
> quick) but just wanted to say I had 5 FeLV positive
> kittens, and one
> slightly older cat who was negative but who lived
> with them (they came
> as a colony so she had already been exposed). I gave
> them 13 supplements
> daily and tried to keep their environment
> stress-free (they lived in my
> 2nd bedroom). Sadly 4 of the kittens succumbed, but
> one threw off the
> virus and is now negative. The older cat has
> remained negative. So, yes,
> there is hope. But even tho the others didn't make
> it, I know I gave
> them quality of life, and love, for the brief time
> they had. As you are
> doing for your sweet furballs.  Your vet sounds a
> real goodie Glenda
> (many unfortunately are not so enlightened). Welcome
> to the list, and I
> wish you both all the best for you and your kitts.
> Kerry M.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of glenda Goodman
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:42 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: FELV kittens
> 
> 
> Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer
> an
> email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I
> feel
> very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to this
> site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten
> about
> a month ago, I discovered this site and have been
> reading everything possible trying to understand
> these
> diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I have
> a
> little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so
> intelligent,
> so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+...
>  My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV
> comes
> through the queen there is a chance the kittens
> could
> beat the disease with good diet and environments, no
> stress and could someday test negative. If there is
> anyone out there that can give people in our
> situation
> some hope our kittens can beat this disease please
> share what you know that we do not...Thank you.
> Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding
> someone wonderful enough to help you with those
> kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska
> --- Heather Wienker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello-
> > 
> > I am new to this group, having  trapped an injured
> > Mom kitty at my new job,
> > who turned out to be FELV & FIV positive and a
> > nursing Mom.  This was in
> > April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two weeks
> of
> > changing jobs, I work
> > with ferals and it's been one of those
> years...it's
> > especially sad as I'm
> > told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was
> not
> > injured at the time,
> > they got a kitten from her that was negative (so
> she
> > may have been as well),
> > and she went back out unspayed even though they
> > (incorrectly) thought she
> > was declawed.   This whole thing could have been
> > avoided, and Mom is a very
> > sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this
> world.
> >  She has an eye and ear
> > injury and is very meek and depressed.
> > 
> > Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both
> > FELV & FIV, two only + for
> > FIVsadly, they have now retested + for
> leukemia.
> >  Three cleared the FIV,
> > the fourth may have as well but the person who has
> > him has not retested yet
> > (I have no control over this unless I take the
> > kitten from her permanently
> > and have not been able to find a

Re: Monkee is gone

[glenda Goodman]

Caroline,
I have been reading your emails for a few weeks now
and have gotten to know your heart and your wonderful
Monkee. I am so very sorry you are hurting so badly
and are missing your beloved Monkee. The tears are
just running out of my eyes for you. I am sure I am
not the only one out here feeling this way. People
like you give me respect for mankind. What you are
going through now is everything that is beautiful in
people. To have given your whole self over to some
hapless little cat and to be the very best friend he
ever had is just so sweet. A lady like you should
never be lonely...I do not think anyone out here would
not want to be your friend...Right now there is
another little friendless kitty feeling down, that I
know, you are destined to meet. Keep the love flowing
and make another spot in this very rough world
beautiful for another little furry friend. Your new
human friend,  Glenda Larsen
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Caroline, I am so deeply sorry about Monkee's
> crossing.  We all can emphasize your pain.  You are
> very luck to have met Monkee and Monkee is so lucky
> to have met you -- nothing can take away the bond
> between you and Monkee--it will live forever.
> 
> Hideyo
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Caroline
> Kaufmann 
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
>   Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:47 AM
>   Subject: Monkee is gone
> 
> 
>   My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms
> while I held him with my Mom standing next to my
> side.  At about 2:30 a.m.  
> 
>   We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for
> euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m.  I thought he
> could make it until then and that he wouldn't want
> to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never
> been to before for his passing.  I didn't know he
> was that bad.  I feel so bad.  It was so horrible. 
> He was having some trouble breathing, but I was
> usually able to calm him down by holding him and
> giving him flower essences.  He had begun to have
> trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly
> when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do
> because his brain was not getting enough oxygen
> (like walk around).  I didn't want him to be in pain
> or suffer and I feel like I failed him.  
> 
>   He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it
> was happening.  We were on my bed and I was holding
> him.  He took a last gasp of air and then he
> stopped.  When his body when limp, I felt like I
> might die too.  I think the only thing that helped
> me and my mom was that she has "rescue remedy" with
> her and we both took it right away.  It sounds odd
> to say that, but immediately after it happened, I
> felt a sense of peace-- for him.  I think the rescue
> remedy helped my breathing at that time.  I just
> held him afterwards and talked to him  and pet him
> and kissed him for about two hours.  I told him how
> wonderful he was and that I would never be the same
> without him.  I walked around the house, sat with
> him on the porch he loved so much and took him
> outside for his last time to hold him while sitting
> on the front steps.  
> 
>   I have never had an animal die in my arms like
> that and to have it be my best friend-- the best
> companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like
> it's wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and
> traumatized.  I am having a hard time erasing the
> memories of his passing.  When I close my eyes, I
> see his face as he took his last breath.  I don't
> how to recover from that.
>   I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now
> that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in.  
> 
>   I hope all of you are able to continue to care for
> your cats and give them the peace and love that they
> so desperately need.  I admire those of you who take
> care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the
> past and continue to keep doing the work that you
> do.  My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of
> you and your babies.  I felt like I didn't have the
> mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the
> past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I
> will be praying for you now.
> 
>   I also wanted to remind everyone that you never
> really know the power of what love can do for a cat
> like Monkee, until you experience it.  When I found
> him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating
> doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could
> catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment
> complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And four years
> and 1 month ago, I couldn't take his living it up in
> "the killing fields"- as I called it- anymore.  It
> took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat.
>  Something bad must have happened to him because he
> was already neutered when I found him, so he had to
> have belong to someone.  He was deathly afraid of
> men and it took until probably about this past year
> for that fear to almost su

Re: Monkee is gone ~ so is Keisha

[glenda Goodman]

Laurie, I am very sorry your precious Keisha has
passed away. I can feel your pain knowing when it
becomes my turn to lose a beloved kitty family member,
I will be a complete basket case.I will be trying to
put my grief into words too...
 The good news is the people on this site are so full
of love and have made such a wonderful difference in
so many cat's lives. Being a kitty in this world is
not easy when you think about the horrible lives most
kitties live...It is an incredibly lucky kitty that is
blessed by people like the people on this site. I
guess all any of us can do is just be as loving and
kind to all living creatures as we are blessed to
touch. This does not mean just kitties, but everything
innocent and dear... Glenda Larsen
--- laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Carol, I am so sorry for your loss and pain. Prayers
> for safe travels for Monkee's soul. Monkee is free
> now but nothing can compensate for the hole in your
> heart and life. I know. My beloved Keisha died
> Saturday completely unexpectedly. She went into
> respiratory distress here at home. I rushed her to
> the ER clinic. They put her in the oxygen tank and
> she appeared comfortable ~ she was not on her side
> and was no longer open mouth breathing. They planned
> to keep her in the tank for 2 hours and then send
> her home. When she went into respiratory distress
> again, they tried to save her ~ intubated her and
> gave her CPR but could not. After she died, I held
> her for 2 hours and stroked her fur.I am in shock
> and it doesn't seem real. I didn't want to leave
> her. We are doing a necropsy. She was not feline
> leukemia positive.
> May your Higher Power hold you as mine is holding
> me.
> Laurie
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Caroline Kaufmann 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:47 AM
>   Subject: Monkee is gone
> 
> 
>   My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms
> while I held him with my Mom standing next to my
> side.  At about 2:30 a.m.  
> 
>   We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for
> euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m.  I thought he
> could make it until then and that he wouldn't want
> to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never
> been to before for his passing.  I didn't know he
> was that bad.  I feel so bad.  It was so horrible. 
> He was having some trouble breathing, but I was
> usually able to calm him down by holding him and
> giving him flower essences.  He had begun to have
> trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly
> when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do
> because his brain was not getting enough oxygen
> (like walk around).  I didn't want him to be in pain
> or suffer and I feel like I failed him.  
> 
>   He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it
> was happening.  We were on my bed and I was holding
> him.  He took a last gasp of air and then he
> stopped.  When his body when limp, I felt like I
> might die too.  I think the only thing that helped
> me and my mom was that she has "rescue remedy" with
> her and we both took it right away.  It sounds odd
> to say that, but immediately after it happened, I
> felt a sense of peace-- for him.  I think the rescue
> remedy helped my breathing at that time.  I just
> held him afterwards and talked to him  and pet him
> and kissed him for about two hours.  I told him how
> wonderful he was and that I would never be the same
> without him.  I walked around the house, sat with
> him on the porch he loved so much and took him
> outside for his last time to hold him while sitting
> on the front steps.  
> 
>   I have never had an animal die in my arms like
> that and to have it be my best friend-- the best
> companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like
> it's wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and
> traumatized.  I am having a hard time erasing the
> memories of his passing.  When I close my eyes, I
> see his face as he took his last breath.  I don't
> how to recover from that.
>   I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now
> that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in.  
> 
>   I hope all of you are able to continue to care for
> your cats and give them the peace and love that they
> so desperately need.  I admire those of you who take
> care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the
> past and continue to keep doing the work that you
> do.  My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of
> you and your babies.  I felt like I didn't have the
> mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the
> past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I
> will be praying for you now.
> 
>   I also wanted to remind everyone that you never
> really know the power of what love can do for a cat
> like Monkee, until you experience it.  When I found
> him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating
> doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could
> catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment
> complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And 

Re: I need information please (catatonya)

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, This site is an eye-opener for me...Besides
that, some of you people have to be angels...I cannot
even comprehend the nightmare some of these kitties
have experienced. What a lovely group of people have
gathered here, hoping to help these kitties ...Bless
every one of you guys! I just felt like saying
that...Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It can happen.
> 
> (Catching felv. from a kitten @ 4 yrs. old).
> 
> Ursula came from a hoarder / breeder, along w/
> Serenity & Lola.
> 
> Lola & Serenity came to me from the pound after
> being seized by AC, they were both a "hot" pos.
> 
> Ursula came form the same house, but tested neg /
> neg.
> 
> Ursula was a "breeder", and she lived in a cage most
> of her life, I can tell by the way she walks.
> 
> She is about 5 yrears old or so.
> 
> Anyway, I isolated her in a bathroom since in my
> eyes, she was a "limbo" cat.
> 
> In otherwords, she had an exposure but tested neg.
> upon me getting her.
> 
> I took her in for her spay 2 months later and she
> tested a "soft" pos. for leuk.
> 
> Due to the circumstances, I did not see any reason
> to do anymore elaborate tests.
> 
> She came from a pos. house, where 65 other cats w/
> the exception of a few kittens tested pos.
> 
> If you know the history of the situation of the cat
> & it's former living conditions, saying she is pos.
> after one test is a reasonable call.
> 
> She has so far not show any symptoms, and it's been
> almost a year.
> 
> Lola seems ok so far, she does sleep a lot.
> 
> Lillian came from a hoarder w/ 185 cats, she tested
> pos. for leuk., while others in the house tested
> neg. but others also tested pos.
> 
> I have 12 more that are in "limbo", and we will
> begin retesting them in about 2 to 3 weeks.
> 
> We are going w/ a 4 month incubation period.
> 
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: catatonya 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:22 AM
>   Subject: Re: I need information please (catatonya)
> 
> 
>   I would wait 3 months and retest.  I find it hard
> to believe that he would have 'caught' felv from a
> kitten at 4 years old.
> 
>   tonya
> 
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RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player for Kat

[glenda Goodman]

Of course, I will sign too. Thanks, Glenda
--- "MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kat--dumb Q time. 
> I'm signing the petition.
> Am I supposed to fill in the "Arthur Blank CEO"
> section? Why didn't PETA
> give his name--I assume it's a "him". I don't want
> to send without
> making sure it goes to the right person.
> Thanks--Kerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Kat
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:17 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL
> player
> 
> 
> Melissa, 
> 
> There is something you can do - See the PETA Take
> Action page
> "Tell the Atlanta Falcons to Punt Animal Abusers off
> the Team!"
> http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick
> 
> It IS incomprehensible on so many different levels,
> and should not be
> allowed to be white washed or brushed under the
> carpet.  The fact that
> the
> officially released statement reads (in part) "We
> are disappointed that
> one of our players -- and therefore the Falcons --
> is being presented to
> the public in a negative way, and we apologize to
> our fans and the
> community for that."  Note - they are NOT
> apologizing for the actions or
> the dogfights, just that it is being presented in a
> negative way!!!
> 
> I don't ususally wish bad things for anyone, but in
> this case I do hope
> he
> gets the maximum fine AND imprisonment - and then
> some!  
> 
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
> 
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Melissa Lind wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:57:28 -0500
> > From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL
> player
> > 
> > I know this is very OT, but I couldn't stop crying
> on the way to work
> this
> > morning after hearing this on NPR. I'm very
> hormonal right now, but I
> think
> > that this would make anyone livid. What is wrong
> with these people?
> What
> > happened to them? I don't understand these actions
> which there aren't
> even
> > strong enough words for.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > The story involved the NFL player Mick Vick and
> his involvement with
> dog
> > fights. They found something like 70 dogs on his
> property used for
> fighting.
> > There are many other atrocities that I can't even
> mention because I'll
> start
> > crying again. But, here's the story if you want to
> listen:
> >
>
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12056318
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > It makes me feel so helpless and angry and
> appalled and afraid.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Melissa
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > P.S. I'm so sorry this is OT (not even about
> cats), but I needed to
> let it
> > out, and I didn't have anyone else to turn to but
> you guys. No one
> here at
> > work would understand. 
> > 
> >
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Re: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player

[glenda Goodman]

MELISSA,
 THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS TO MY ATTENTION. I JUST
NOW HAD TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS %&^#*(#^*_MR. VICK>
OMG, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?" THAT IS
EXACTLY WHAT I AM THINKING... 
GOSH, 6-years maximum is NOT ENOUGH! I"M ALL FOR
PUTTING A LITTLE ENERGY INTO MAKING THESE GUYS
MISERABLE. I DO HAVE TO WONDER WHAT IS GOING ON WITH
THE DOGS ? I SUPPOSE MANY OF THEM WILL BE KILLED,
BECAUSE AFTER WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THEY WILL BE
TOO UNSTABLE TO ADOPT OUT AS FAMILY PETS... HOW
ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. 
 THIS VICK PERSON NEEDS THE RUG PULLED OUT FROM UNDER
HIM. THE GUY IS JUST WAY TOO COCKY.  I HOPE OUR WHOLE
CAT LOVING GROUP, DOES TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS
CLIP INVOLVING M. VICK AND HIS BUDDIES. A few emails
and even phone calls to put pressure on knocking this
guy off his perch is a great idea...I KNOW OUR CATS
WOULD BE PROUD OF US...GLENDA  
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I know this is very OT, but I couldn't stop crying
> on the way to work this
> morning after hearing this on NPR. I'm very hormonal
> right now, but I think
> that this would make anyone livid. What is wrong
> with these people? What
> happened to them? I don't understand these actions
> which there aren't even
> strong enough words for.
> 
>  
> 
> The story involved the NFL player Mick Vick and his
> involvement with dog
> fights. They found something like 70 dogs on his
> property used for fighting.
> There are many other atrocities that I can't even
> mention because I'll start
> crying again. But, here's the story if you want to
> listen:
>
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12056318
> 
>  
> 
> It makes me feel so helpless and angry and appalled
> and afraid.
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa
> 
>  
> 
> P.S. I'm so sorry this is OT (not even about cats),
> but I needed to let it
> out, and I didn't have anyone else to turn to but
> you guys. No one here at
> work would understand. 
> 
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RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player

[glenda Goodman]

Hi guys, 
I could not help but add my two cents here on the
subject of people who are convinced, or announce
openly that they do not like cats: 
I noticed early on, that the people who proudly state
that they do not like cats,always speak from the
aspect of misinformation on every level. THESE ARE
PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER KNOW A CAT! it just occurred to
me too, that these might be people who grew up
torturing every cat they might have run across as a
child, so their experience with any cat might have
been negative...like imagine ,say farm cats kept only
as mousers, being treated badly by a family...These
cats might run and hide every time a human
appeared...I just thought of that...
Anyway, somewhere along the line, these individuals
have probably been brainwashed into believing cats are
only nice to you when they want something, while, if
in the same sentence, they might proudly state, "BUT,
I DO LIKE DOGS", hoping to redeem themselves as
sensitive individuals somehow, as well as pillars of
character...They maybe watched too many Lassie films
and believe  dogs will stand by you until the end, no
matter what ?Who knows, it is usually a
combination...However, the one constant is : THESE
PEOPLE NEVER KNEW A CAT. These are simply very
uneducated/inexperienced types in animal contact
exposure situations...A lot of the time these types
are following a party line laid out by their family
for a generation or more...  It is like they are
trying to make some kind of statement attesting to
their own character, by conveying what might seem
admirable to them...aligning their own personality,
say with what they believe are the attibutes of  a dog
personality? It is most often an image thing... Also,
these people are not animal lovers at all, no matter
how they try to come across about LOVING dogs... 
their exposure to animals and experience with animals
on a personal level is usually null.They know
absolutely nothing about animals...I , when confronted
by this sort of person only say to them , "You just
have never known a cat" I am always right 100% of the
time. Oh yeah, and let's not forget those men striving
to project a macho image that even if somewhere along
the line they did know a cat and even appreciated that
cat would never admit it and wants the world to think
HE IS ABOVE THAT, FRILLY STUFF, AND WANTS TO EQUATE
HIMSELF WITH A DOG...LIKE CATS ARE A TOO FEMALE THING.
I'm sorry if I am rambling here , but I'm just typing
as I am thinking about what I have observed in people
on this subject. I SERIOUSLY DO NOT WANT TO SOUND
PREJUDICE EITHER, AS I'M TRYING TO SLAM PREJUDICE HERE
IN MY RANTING!
The bottom line is, when I do come across people who
tell me they do not like cats, I immediately feel
sorry for them ,because they have simply missed out on
such a love and a joy and seriously, there is no
little critter more entertaining than a cat who has
lots of personality...Oh yes , and cats are loyal,
loving, cuddly, a lot easier to deal with than a
dog...like if one must leave a cat alone for a day...
There is all kinds of prejudice in this world and it
is a very terrible thing. Every single incident of
prejudice could be completely alleviated
if the parties involved would only take the time to
get to know what it is they feel they are not familiar
with or uncomfortable with...If only people were more
kind and thoughtful and could appreciate everything in
this world that is beautiful...there would never even
be wars...
I think a lot of us love our cats so much because we
can retreat in to that safe little beautiful world and
spend our time and energy devoting ourselves to
something that is sweet and beautiful what is a
cat...By the way, I love dogs too, probably too
much...Which reminds me: DO SOMETHING NICE TODAY FOR A
DOG! Later, Glenda
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Susan,
> 
>  
> 
> You've said it exactly. I think that dog people like
> the attention and
> companionship. I love dogs as well as cats, but cats
> give us more freedom
> (well, not with the checkbook), plus we're just
> cat-people. Like Caroline
> pointed out, there are many many dog people, but
> most people I meet don't
> like cats at all. Why? I haven't figured that one
> out. Stereotypes?
> Misconceptions? Idiocy? Not really sure.
> 
>  
> 
> The pit bull abuses reminds me of The Dog Whisperer
> on Discovery or TLC or
> whatever. Cesar Millan is so good at showing that
> most dogs can be
> rehabilitated, but in most instances it's the humans
> that need the
> rehabilitation, not the dogs. The plight of pit
> bulls in our country is very
> sad and depressing. They are certainly the most
> misunderstood and mistreated
> of dogs (up there with racing dogs). Plus many
> people mistake other breeds
> for pit bulls, not even understanding what a pit
> bull actually is-they just
> equate them with any tough, muscular dog with a
> stocky stature. 
> 
>  
> 
> Enough ranting-I'm done with dogs for today. It's a
> happy day-our central
> air 

RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player

[glenda Goodman]

Caroline, You are just such a thoughtful, nice
person...Now , I wonder could it be from how you were
raised?  Anyway, I think it is a healthy subject to
get on, as it is great hearing other people's take on
these things...I know I have absorbed a couple new
lines of thought on this subject, just by reading the
experiences/opinions of others...never really observed
the cat volunteers, the dog volunteers, but I
certainly can see that now...why there are those two
distinct groups out there...
You know, the more we can learn, the more we can
eventually share with others and if we can direct
ourselves in a positive way, we can make the world a
better place. It does seem to me ,especially for you
Caroline, right now, all this interaction and flooding
of ideas and information and positive approaches to
things to help others, dogs at the moment, and even
dogs not born yet is lovely. With what you have
introduced to us,this subject of cat-lovers,
dog-lovers is fantastic/interesting...Thanks.
 There are some people in this world that just give
and give and I can see you are one of
those...Actually, I feel that, the love, the give
factor, in everyone in this group. I'm really happy I
found you guys...
Now, I must tend to my day...I do work and I do have
cats to care for... and a hundred other things...
However,isn't it nice to have a little mutual mission
right now, where we can put some love towards helping
those poor dogs, by making the actions of that Vick
person reflect to society the ugly, evil, abomination
that it really was...? 
Little boys, especially, should never admire someone
who conducts himself in the fashion of Mr. Vick...This
is why, he must experience absolute humiliation in the
public light.We all want that to happen...right? 
As for the  people who say, loudly and proudly, that
they do not like cats...in a way it is all the same,
just another form of disrespect for animals.   It
would be my guess, Mr. Vick started out in life
thinking he hated cats and he simply was never taught
or  learned anything about what it is to feel the
wonder, amazement and love for creatures, other  than
maybe humans, who share our world. 
Vick and his "friends" are the extreme result of
little boys left unchecked...Certainly, they were all
horrible to cats as children...so by doing what we are
doing here, is helping cats too...something to think
about...   
 Later, Glenda 
--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-

I think I inadvertently started this whole debate
about dog-lovers vs. cat-lovers and I so didn't mean
to do that!  I just meant that, sadly, if you need to
quickly draw attention to an animal plight that people
need to rally behind, a lot of times, it's easier to
do so when the plight involves dogs.  I don't think
that's right, but I have found it to be true.

But, having been the daughter of a vet, no one in my
family got to really have the choice between which
animal we would prefer!  We had to love them
all...cats, dogs, pet mice that I "saved" from being
fed to a rehabbing snake, a gerbil, more ring-necked
doves than you can imagine, a baby rabbit, tons of
injured song birds, an injured duck, an injured wild
turkey, and even a baby mountain lion that my dad was
rehabbing when he was the Zoo vet that lived at our
house for a while.  The list goes on...  But yes, a
lot of the caring and compassion for animals does come
from exposure and experience.  I feel bad for people
who didn't have the opportunity to learn to take care
of another creatureit's like a compassion chip is
missing or something.

-Caroline  





-

From:  glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL
player
Date:  Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:42:28 -0700 (PDT)
>Hi guys,
>I could not help but add my two cents here on the
>subject of people who are convinced, or announce
>openly that they do not like cats:
>I noticed early on, that the people who proudly state
>that they do not like cats,always speak from the
>aspect of misinformation on every level. THESE ARE
>PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER KNOW A CAT! it just occurred
to
>me too, that these might be people who grew up
>torturing every cat they might have run across as a
>child, so their experience with any cat might have
>been negative...like imagine ,say farm cats kept only
>as mousers, being treated badly by a family...These
>cats might run and hide every time a human
>appeared...I just thought of that...
>Anyway, somewhere along the line, these individuals
>have probably been brainwashed into believing cats
are
>only nice to you when they want something, while, if
>in the same sentence, they might proudly state, "BUT,
>I DO LIKE DOGS", hoping to redeem themselves 

Re: Changing dynamics of our site/losing members

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, Thanks...
I , for one, can get a little wound up when it comes
to speaking up for animals and I really do not mean to
get off track. I do not think it hurts us at all to
take a little breather, from time to time, and open up
other subjects, because in a round about way, we can
see the benefit to cats in general...while actively
helping all animals...
This whole Vick thing , being an example...not to
mention a few people here might just blossoming from a
sad/dorment period and re-directing their beautiful
energy. I could be doing that myself? We all need to
stay healthy and happy in order to help more
cats...kind of a little joke, but probably true?   For
being here such a short time, I feel I have learned a
lot about FeLV.
 I so want to thank everyone who got back to me with
the best information they had to give me regarding my
FeLV+ little Gracie.The personal experiences gave me
some hope, the actual web-sites informed and educated
me...Thank you Wendy and everyone for making me feel
welcome. I hope I can be a good support and source of
information to some of you and perhaps some new people
that happen along. I certainly will recognize that
awful feeling of complete dispair when someone just
finds us after being told by their that vet that their
cat tested FeLV+.
The day that happened to me I came home, went to my
computer...It was about 10:00am. Well somewhere in
there I called my best girlfriend and told her...I
remember saying I felt so sad I wish I could get hit
by a truck. Well, I recalled that off-the -wall
comment I had made earlier in the day to my friend. By
10:00pm that night my head hurt so bad I thought to
myself that I feel like I have been hit by a truck! I
cosed up the computer , took a hot shower , ate and
went to bed. I felt tired for two days after that...
That was a killer day... 
 Well, now that I have personally gone through that,
I'm good to go for any who wander on to this site
having gone through what I went through that miserable
day. Meanwhile, I am here to keep picking up
information,tips and seriously just enjoying all the
nice people here. It is not easy finding so many very
nice people in one place...In my life, I have noticed,
when ever I have gotten in the company of
animal-lovers I am my happiest...Thanks guys! Glenda  

--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> I just wanted to stress that even though our site
> seems to be going through some changes, mainly
> losing members that have been around for a while,
> our site is extremely important.  There will always
> be a need for people to be educated on FeLV.  When
> new members do not come along, I believe keeping our
> site alive with photos, anecdotes, and other
> interesting things like activism against Mr. Vick is
> important.  We will not always be busy helping new
> members, which is a good thing, but keeping our site
> active keeps our camraderie going.  I don't want to
> see that stagnate.  We lost Elizabeth last week.  I
> didn't even know it until she emailed me last night.
>  She is such a sweet lady and so encouraging, I hate
> to see her go.  But like others, she's got some
> personal stuff she's dealing with, and she can't
> take the extra time right now to be here, which I
> completely understand.  I'm hoping members like her,
> Nina, MC, and Michelle will return when they are
> able.  They are so
>  valuable.  There will always be people who come and
> go, and sometimes we'll even have a few issues come
> up, as we recently did, but we can get through them,
> and maintain our site for the betterment of cat
> health.  I think what we're doing is more important
> than many of us realize, so hang in there if you can
> when times get rough, and if you can't, don't forget
> to come back and visit when you can.  Because of our
> differing personalities, everyone has something to
> offer, and I think that's a beautiful thing.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
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Re: OT: Really good article about Nike and Vick

[glenda Goodman]

Tamara,
 WHENEVER, you can speak up for animals, WHEREVER, you
can speak up for animals, IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO SO. It
is a long, slow battle, but we must NEVER MISS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UP FOR ANIMALS... 
WE CAN ALL MAKE A DIFFERENCE, NO MATTER HOW SMALL, IF
IT AMOUNTS TO JUST NOT BUYING THAT DEAD TURKEY FOR 
THANKGIVING DINNER...
I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE MY POINT AND MY FEELINGS
HERE. I REALLY DO NOT THINK WE COULD HURT THEM, NIKE,
AT ALL , BUT TO USE THEM, AS A PLATFORM, TO SCREAM OUR
LUNGS OUT FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS IS A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY...NOT TO MENTION SLAMMING VICK.
APPARENTLY, YOU HAVE BEEN THINKING ON THOSE SAME LINES
THESE LAST 15-YEARS WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN RIGHTS?
ACTING ON WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD. GOOD FOR YOU! 
NIKE MUST BE  KIND OF  LIKE, TO PEOPLE, WHAT  IAMS IS
TO ANIMALS? BOTH COMPANIES ,JUST LOOKING AT PROFITS
WITH COMPLETE DISREGARD TO DECENCY, KINDNESS***IAMS
CONTINUES WITH  ANIMAL TESTING, INFLICTING HORRIBLE
ABUSES ON DOGS AND CATS.. SO MANY HAVE GOTTEN IN
THEIR FACE AND EVEN STOPPED BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS TO
NO AVAIL...YET!
 THE TIME IS COMING, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THEIR UGLY
LITTLE SECRET IS OUT...I JUST WANTED TO SPILL THE
BEANS ONCE AGAIN, HERE, LIKE EVERYONE HERE DOES NOT
ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IAMS... BUT, ANYWAY, THE MORE WE
CAN RAISE THESE TYPE OF ISSUES, THE BETTER. WE DO WANT
TO INFORM AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OF THE UGLY LITTLE
SECRET OF VICK'S DOG ABUSE. THIS IS A NEW STORY...A
LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, MAY HAVE MISSED THE BRIEF
NEWS  ACCOUNT OF THIS STORY AND WE SURE DO NOT WANT
THIS SLIMEBALL TO THINK HE CAN JUST SIT IT OUT AND
THINGS WILL BLOW OVER FOR HIM AND HIS BUDS... : LIKE
THE LAST TIME HE GOTTEN ATTENTION FOR HIS ABUSES OF
DOGS...
WE DO NOT NEED TO LOSE OUR ENTHUSIASM AND MOMENTUM
HERE.  A KINDER WORLD IS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO BE
WORKING TOWARDS...I THINK IT IS SUPER YOU HAVE BEEN
AWARE OF NIKE ALL THESE YEARS...AND A LITTLE THORN IN
THEIR SIDE TOO,  REMINDING THEM...BLESS YOUR HEART!  
 THANK YOU! GLENDA
--- tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Honey, Nike has been using child labor and sweat
> shop like conditions the production of their
> products for decades...Human Rights & fair trade
> groups have been at them since the late
> eightiesI really don't think they're going to
> care about an animal rights issue.  Nike cares about
> Nike's profits...that's it...I've been boycotting
> them for 15 yrs...I don't think they care or even
> feel it, but I wish you all the luck in the world.
>   T
> 
> Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7038442?MSNHPHCP>1=10239
>
>   Pretty much says that you aren't going to get much
> out of Nike if you call them on their sponsorship of
> Vick.  The underlying message to me is, let's hit
> Nike where it hurts them...their bottom line.  Stop
> buying their products.  I'm always up for a meaniful
> boycott...who's with me?!
>
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Re: Keisha necropsy results and Isabella update

[glenda Goodman]

Laurie, 
I'm so glad your Isabella is feeling better. I know
this is a huge relief! As for Keisha, I hope you are
able to get some "real" answers soon.  I'm sure I'm
not the only one who has  tried to google ADENOMATOSIS
and was left even more confused than when you just
introduced this term as the cause of Keisha's death...
Again, I'm so sorry for you and Keisha...Thank you for
helping all of us  learn all we can on how to best
care for our cats...I know you are stressing, worried
about your other five, until you learn if this was a
viral condition.I do imagine your vet is in the dark
as it does seem there is not much out there on this
subject, so do not get too scared until you are
actually able to talk to someone a bit more qualified
in that area...I guess I do not put a lot of stock in
one vet's opinion...and you have a long weekend to
worry...Meanwhile, just build up your kitties' immune
systems...can't go wrong there...
I did notice that the vets I have dealt with here, in
Nebraska, at best, have told me exactly, what I have
found myself, online and of course, this group of
people, have so far, shared and directed me towards
better information than either of my vets.
I did notice there are a lot of listings for different
types of adenomatosis in humans, affecting different
areas of the body...I did not see anywhere, where it
was always fatal or acts like cancer...Those words,
coming from a vet that admits he does not really know
much, are scary words to live with over the
weekend...I know you are worried about your other
kitties, just wanted to comfort you a bit...Glenda  

--- laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good news first. Isabella is doing great. We are
> starting to decrease the prednisone. She is still on
> tramadal for pain and clavamox. She is a trooper and
> we are pleased with her progress. She isn't crying
> out, we aren't seeing tremors!
> 
> Keisha died from adenomatosis. This is very rare,
> vet's know little about it. It acts like cancer and
> is always fatal. The suspected underlying cause is a
> toxin or chronic viral infection. Her lungs were
> infiltrated. If it was viral, it is contagious and
> my other 5 are at risk. I am waiting for a call from
> the specialist. She may not be back until Monday. 
> 
> Laurie



   

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treats and supplement questions...

[glenda Goodman]

Since I do have much to learn about treating my FeLv+
kitten I am open to all suggestions and ideas and
advice from you guys who have been dealing with these
issues a long time...
>From the start, I have been told Lysine was a good
supplement. I first heard of giving lysine from a
receptionist at my vet's office when I told her I had
a couple new kittens that were sneezing , like about
every 15-minutes, but had no other signs of sickness.
I thought it might just be dust. Well, she said, give
them 250 mg of lysine twice a day. OK, so I went to
Walmart and got a large bottle of 250 tablets of 500
mg lysine. The label says L-Lysine 500 mg. Am I on
track here? Is this what I can give my cats? 
Well, my little guys really are fine, the sneezing was
probably dust, so that is not what I am using the
lysine for. What I feel I should use it for is my
quarantined FeLV+ kitten ,Gracie. I have read many
times, by you guys, on this list, lysine is a good
supplement to give our FeLV+ cats.
I crushed and dissolved a large 500 mg tablet in a few
tablespoons of water and poured this mixture over a
large, crushed sardine and put it in front of
Gracie...She ate the whole thing, fast! She loved it! 
Now, on the subject of Treats:
For a while now, I had been giving my cats sardines
for treats. You can get these packed in spring
water,no salt added, from walmart. They are only .50 a
can. It is a rectangular, flat can...I think it is a
great deal. The entire can of sardines supplies 18
grams of protein, which is good for our FeLv + kitties
too. 
I have always given my cats tuna, packed in water as a
treat, but there is just too much mercury in tuna
these days. I always feel guilty and worried about
giving them tuna. The problem is my cats do have me
trained and they often lead me to the kitchen and just
demand their tuna. I will open a can ,but just give
them a small pinch, as compared to how I used to
indulge them. I'm trying to switch them over to liking
the sardines, because it hardly has any mercury, being
low on the food chain...However, with kittens and
cats, who have NOT been spoiled by tuna, they
automatically just love sardines! Gracie, who is
almost 5-months old now and my two 3-month old kittens
are crazy for sardines! These guys had never beed
exposed to tuna... my four older cats who have
developed this taste for tuna are kind of trying to
hold out and acting disgusted when they see sardines
on their plate instead of tuna...Do not worry I do
feed a good quality dry food, these are just treats,
but they get treated once or twice a day...
I wanted to share all this with you guys and I need to
get some input from you guys about if 500mg of lysine
is what I should give Gracie, My FeLV+ kitty every
day? The sardine trick with her makes it very easy. I
can get the whole tablet down her at once if I need
to, but maybe 250mg, twice a day, is better? 
I, also, would like some feedback on if it is a good
idea, to give all my kitties at least 250mg of lysine
a day, just for their immune systems? 
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Re: treats and supplement questions...

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, Thanks for getting back to me on this. 
I checked the other ingredients: Cellulose(plant
origen), Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. It
looks like I'm safe...Well, it sure is nice being just
a few clicks away from getting answers to my
questions...
I'll probably get my next bottle at the local health
food store, but I think anything there, will be pretty
equal to what I have? 
By the way, for anyone who has never bought Lysine, it
is very inexpensive. I think this huge bottle was
under $8.00. I can certainly afford to give it to all
of my cats and I think I will, at least a few times
per week. 
Eventually, I seriously want to start making my own
cat food for them, if only as an additional food, to
keep everyone healthy. 
It is so easy to just buy a bag of dry food, but I
really do not think any commercial food could be
better than a very carefully thought out homemade
recipe.Does anyone here make their own cat food? 
 It is just a matter of finding the time, right? I'm
also open to other supplements to boost Gracie's
system...someone said vitamin C was good. I do not
want to get too carried away and know I need to watch
out to not over do it...
THANK YOU BUNCHES! 
Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Glenda,
> 
> Does the lysine have any additives?  Specifically,
> does it contain propynol glycol; if so, DO NOT give
> it to your furbabies.  It would save you time if you
> had caplets you could open and empty the lysine
> powder out of them.  But I don't think there's any
> problem with tablets;only that they are probably too
> big give to kittens uncrushed.  Giving lysine is
> great to FeLV+ kitties as it's an immune system
> booster.  Good call Glenda.  I gave 500 mg. 2x per
> day to my Smookie who was about 6-8 months old at
> the time and a good weight for her corneal ulcer;
> cleared it right up when nothing else would work for
> her (stuff from the vet).  So 500 mg. 1x per day
> should be fine, unless Gracie is really, really
> young.  I don't supplement my healthy kitties, but
> if you would like to, I really don't think it would
> hurt anything.  Hope this info. helps.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
>  
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> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
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Re: treats and supplement questions...

[glenda Goodman]

Yes, that is one reason I have not even tried  making
my own pet food yet. Even if I did, I would always
want to have a good quality dry food back up , just to
cover all the bases. I do leave dry food out for my
cats all day... If there were a good recipe, that
perhaps consisted of a few vegetables and rice , organ
meat, of this kind or that, that my cats would really
like, it would certainly make me  feel like I  were
doing a good thing for them. I have never felt that
comfortable about canned cat food. I guess that is why
I have just fed dry and figured out things for treats.
At times I have added different types of canned to
their diet for treats...Some they have liked and some
they have not...I have wasted a lot of food as my guys
are picky... Of course, after the pet food scare and
all the negative things people started saying about
our pet foods, I am even more creeped out. I do
appreciate the feedback I'm getting on tuna. I guess I
always thought the pure, human grade tuna was a better
deal...and at least it was tuna...not tuna guts or
worse, but I better realize there is a lot I need to
learn.  Thanks, Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The only I will say about making your own cat food
> is that you really, 
> really, really need to know what you are doing, or
> you could cause a 
> nutrition deficit in your cat.
> 
> I would just do LOTS of research, and talk to a vet
> that you trust.
> 
> 
> As far as Lysine, if you can give it to all of your
> cats, it can only help 
> boost their immune systems.
> 
> It certainly wouldn't hurt.
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>          Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions...
> 
> 
> Wendy, Thanks for getting back to me on this.
> I checked the other ingredients: Cellulose(plant
> origen), Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. It
> looks like I'm safe...Well, it sure is nice being
> just
> a few clicks away from getting answers to my
> questions...
> I'll probably get my next bottle at the local health
> food store, but I think anything there, will be
> pretty
> equal to what I have?
> By the way, for anyone who has never bought Lysine,
> it
> is very inexpensive. I think this huge bottle was
> under $8.00. I can certainly afford to give it to
> all
> of my cats and I think I will, at least a few times
> per week.
> Eventually, I seriously want to start making my own
> cat food for them, if only as an additional food, to
> keep everyone healthy.
> It is so easy to just buy a bag of dry food, but I
> really do not think any commercial food could be
> better than a very carefully thought out homemade
> recipe.Does anyone here make their own cat food?
>  It is just a matter of finding the time, right? I'm
> also open to other supplements to boost Gracie's
> system...someone said vitamin C was good. I do not
> want to get too carried away and know I need to
> watch
> out to not over do it...
> THANK YOU BUNCHES!
> Glenda
> --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Fwd: Urgent: Michael Vick's Indictment Doesn't Go Far Enough

[glenda Goodman]

I'm sorry to have to forward this, but if some of you
guys do not get these Peta notifications
automatically, I felt this particular one was very
important, because we cannot not do all we can. I know
this is rough on some of you guys ,but this is
important...I just want to complain to everywhere we
can, on this creep...Glenda
--- Ingrid Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:25:42 GMT
> From: "Ingrid Newkirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "glenda larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Urgent: Michael Vick's Indictment Doesn't
> Go Far Enough
> 
> Subject: Urgent: Michael Vick's Indictment Doesn't
> Go Far Enough
> 
> 
> Dear Glenda,
> 
> As I'm sure you've heard, the dogs on Michael Vick's
> property
> didn't stand a chance. According to a federal
> prosecutor, they
> were allegedly hanged, slammed to the ground,
> drowned,
> electrocuted after being doused with water, and
> shot. As Sen.
> Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) stated on the floor of the
> U.S. Senate,
> there is an especially hot place in hell for anyone
> who could
> treat an animal like this. We want such people to
> pay for their
> crimes right here on Earth. 
> 
> Michael Vick's indictment has brought the horror and
> cruelty of
> dogfighting into our homes. I wish I could tell you
> that this is
> an isolated incident, but it isn't. Every day at
> PETA, we get
> shocking and outrageous reports from all over about
> dogs, cats,
> and other companion animals who are the deliberate
> targets of
> human violence and greed.
> 
> PETA goes to law enforcement agencies every week
> with cases, and
> we gain convictions. But all too often, these
> agencies ignore
> animal abuse-despite the proven link between cruelty
> to animals
> and other forms of violence, including abuse of
> spouses and
> children.
> 
> Even when charges are filed and abusers are
> convicted, we often
> must educate and pressure law enforcement officials
> and
> prosecutors to sentence perpetrators to the fullest
> extent
> allowed by law so that animal abusers don't get away
> with a slap
> on the wrist.
> 
> The case against Michael Vick is typical of cases we
> deal with
> all the time. He stands accused of heinous torture
> of animals.
> We're grateful that the public has responded with
> outrage. We
> need your help to make sure that this case sends a
> long overdue
> message to anyone involved with dogfighting and
> other forms of
> vicious cruelty-as well as the agencies charged with
> enforcing
> anti-cruelty laws-that the public won't stand for
> inaction any
> longer.
> 
> Can I count on you to do your part? We need your
> help today to
> do the following:
> 
> 1) Urge the NFL
>
[http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick_2/ixs6sgurpmibjj8?]
> and the Atlanta
> Falcons
>
[http://www.atlantafalcons.com/About/Contact_Us.aspx]
> to
> suspend Vick pending the outcome of his trial. 
> 
> 2) Contact your local media to urge them to show
> PETA's
> anti-dogfighting public service announcement by
> former world
> heavyweight champion Lamon Brewster.
>
[http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=lamon_dogfight]
> 
> Please make as generous a gift as you can today
>
[https://ebiz.isiservices.com/peta-e/peta/edonate.asp?section_code=H07T135Q&id=11573148&ask4=--25-35-50-100-o]
> to help give us the resources we need to investigate
> reports of
> animal abuse, suffering, and neglect and make sure
> that these
> cases are taken seriously by law enforcement
> agencies. 
> 
> PETA's cruelty casework is physically and
> emotionally draining,
> but our staff members know that they are often the
> only
> lifeline-the only glimmer of hope-an animal has. 
> 
> Help us to educate the public, police, prosecuting
> officials,
> and judges through the distribution of our vital
> informational
> packs designed especially for courtroom use-and push
> for
> stronger animal protection laws and tougher
> penalties. Animals
> deserve to be treated with compassion, care, and
> love-not as
> disposable gambling toys. 
> 
> Russell Simons, The Rev. Al Sharpton,
>
[http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/petition_dog_fighting/ixs6sgurpmibjj8?]
> and thousands of other
> people are helping our campaign to make the very
> idea of dog
> fighting and cruelty to animals repulsive. Our
> dedicated and
> hardworking staff members are also making sure that
> the media
> cover this story in graphic detail.
>
[http://www.criticalmention.com/components/url_gen/play_asx.php?clip_info=359383466%7C22%7C70%5E359383765%7C0%7C70%5E359384073%7C0%7C70%5E359384384%7C0%7C51]
> But we need you to take a stand against this
> cruelty, too.
> 
> It is only when caring people step up and are
> counted that
> charges are filed, abusers are prosecuted and
> convicted, and the
> cruelty ends.
> 
> Thank you for caring. Let's make this stick!
> 
> For the animals,
> 
> Ingrid E. Newkirk
> President
> 
> P.S. Please remember that Michael Vick's case is
> just the tip of
> the iceberg. In the past year alone, we've 

Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee

[glenda Goodman]

Caroline, I do not know who you have left at home to
love, BUT, If you have room for another kitty, in your
life, in your home...
 IF I WERE YOU, this is what I would do: 
I would go down to my local shelter, ASAP and look at
all the kitties. I would try to imagine who Monkee
would pick, if he were with me...Maybe this process
could take a week or a month of going down and
looking, but when my eyes fell on that particular
kitty, that somehow touched my soul, I would bail the
little guy out, pronto and run with him...Then I would
go home and get to know the kitty  that I had bailed
out and I would try to imagine what this kitty would
say to Monkee if he could...You know, the kitty would
be grateful...I'd write it down, different things that
might come to me... Then I'd set aside a special day,
I would get my mom, the kitty "I had saved from
possible death or a not so good future," a bottle of
wine, two glasses, something of Monkee's that was
important to him, pour my mom a glass , me a glass,
hold the kitty, hold the something of Monkee's. I'd
tell Monkee how much I loved him and how much I miss
him. I'd thank him for helping me find the kitty I was
holding and I would think of all the good bright
things ahead for me, my mom and the kitty...It would
be sad, but it would be happy too. I'd try to make it
a celebration. I'd drink my glass of wine and be sure
to remember this day until the day I died ,because it
will have been one of those very special days in my
life...and maybe, in Monkee's memory, I'd set it aside
every year to honor him by doing something extra nice
for someone or some little critter or myself...THIS IS
WHAT I WOULD DO, IF I WERE YOU... 
 I would never just go find a complete stanger, even a
religious type, to read my words or someone else's
words...I think this needs to be a completely personal
and sacred ceremony/celebration.
Only those that deserve to be there should be there...

(I really do hope there is a place, we can all go, to
meet those we have loved and lost, after we leave this
world. If there is such a place, I know Monkee will be
there waiting for you.
Caroline, you are so lucky ...you have so much to
give...I have really enjoyed seeing the wonderful
sides to you these past few days...You have the
ability to do a lot of good for this world...
Glenda   
--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-
I have lost many pets before in my life, but with my
recent loss of Monkee, I feel compelled to have some
kind of ceremony honoring his life because he is the
closest companion (animal or human) that I've ever
had.  I am really struggling with his death and the
grieving process.  I also want something to provide me
with some closure and I thought an official ceremony
might do that.  Of course, I know that even though
Monkee touched a lot of my friends and family, I am
afraid it will only be my mom and I at the ceremony,
but regardless, I still want to do it.
Monkee was cremated so I don't really want to have a
"burial" per se.  I don't plan to spread his ashes or
bury them...I want to keep them.  
I just wanted to know if anyone had any ideas for me? 
My mom has been doing some research to find a person
to perform the ceremony and a location here in
Louisville, Kentucky.  If anyone has further thoughts,
or a good script that we could use as a basis for the
ceremony, please let me know.  I appreciate it.
-Caroline  




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RE: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee

[glenda Goodman]

Caroline, I have six cats. I love them all very much,
but I love one the most. I think he is the most
beautiful, most absolutely cool cat in the whole world
.Everything he does is simply elegant. His name is
Feeto. He is a 6.6.6.6. DSH, tabby, polydactyl. His
toes are all perfect! It is because of him I have this
poly foot fetish now. 
 I have felt so awful that I never knew him as a
kitten.I was told he was homeless and wandered the
streets...I simply could not understand why such a
fantastic cat was not scooped up by the first human
who ever layed eyes on him... He was a young adult
when I adopted him. He had been sitting at the local
Humane Society for almost two months before I found
him! I simply could not believe I was so lucky as to
have been the one who was to bring him home. He , to
me, is a treasure. He has been with me for only
18-months .  If anything were ever to happen to him,
my world would collapse. I do not think I would be
able to get out of bed for a week. I have never had an
animal before or since that I have been so obsessed
with. I am sure I could never find his equal. I would
not even think of it,  but I would do something kind
in honor of him and I would try to keep busy...
The diamond idea was nice...Glenda 

--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-


Thank you Glenda and Wendy for your insight.  We are
taking our time to plan something and won't do
anything until Aug., so I still have time to think
about it.  It's funny though because I just found the
pet loss website today on my own and it was really
helpful.  I liked the poems and I am really interested
in the jewelry memorial websight links for cremains
and I plan to get something like that.  I think I
could move on better if I really feel like I always
have a part of Monkee with me.

Thanks,

Caroline 





-

From:  wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
Date:  Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
>P.S. I am not sure if sent you the link to this pet
loss site:
>
>http://www.petloss.com/
>
>If I didn't, I apologize.  It's a great site to
navigate around and see all the things they have to
offer.  I bet you would find some things there to
help.  Please let us know how it goes if you feel like
it.
>
>Best of luck,
>:)
>Wendy
>
>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is
the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
>
>
>
>
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Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, COOL! I bet LuLu is adorable! We should all
post kitty pictures one of these days. 
 As for polydactyls, I think those extra toes makes
them feel a bit superior...I know with my Feeto he has
a regal attitude and is very comfortable with himself.
He acts like a little king around other cats and even
dogs..., calm and composed all the the time and in
complete control. I had only see Feeto lose it once
and that was a couple days after I brought him home.
My cat Bruno was hissing at him. Feeto went after him.
I saw fur fly, not Feeto's.Feeto walked away, had made
his point, but then, my dog tried to get in the middle
to protect Bruno. Feeto got irritated and leaped on my
dog's back. Kind of an after thought, like do not mess
with me, when I'm taking care of business. Feeto
wrapped his front paws around my dog's neck... Stuck
12-claws into my poor dog. I'd never seen anything
like it. It was over before it began...My dog had huge
respect for Feeto after that, as well as all the other
kitties. Now Feeto is very bonded with Bruno and my
dog Hondo, my Great Dane /Shepherd mix, has passed
away...Because Hondo is gone, I opened up my home to
two more poly kittens, siblings...too round my family
out...  
I was outside, lying on my lawn tonight with three of
my adult cats...They all have such different little
faces, as well as personalities. They are all just so
beautiful. I was thinking tonight, if I could draw or
paint, how lovely  a picture it would make, the three
of them lounging side by side on the grass. (My cats
are indoor ,but allowed outside with supervision...)
 Every healthy, well cared for cat, is beautiful. It
is easy to see how one could not resist getting too
many cats...I will never have more or less than
6-cats. I can care well for six,but if I had any more,
I would not be able to do them justice. When Caroline
was telling us how beautiful Monkee was, I knew
exactly how she felt when she would look at him...
Good night,
Glenda 
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda, my Siamese mix LuLu is polydactyl.  She has
> an extra toe on all four paws.  It's really cute.
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:43:33 PM
> Subject: RE: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
> 
> 
> Caroline, I have six cats. I love them all very
> much,
> but I love one the most. I think he is the most
> beautiful, most absolutely cool cat in the whole
> world
> .Everything he does is simply elegant. His name is
> Feeto. He is a 6.6.6.6. DSH, tabby, polydactyl. His
> toes are all perfect! It is because of him I have
> this
> poly foot fetish now. 
> I have felt so awful that I never knew him as a
> kitten.I was told he was homeless and wandered the
> streets...I simply could not understand why such a
> fantastic cat was not scooped up by the first human
> who ever layed eyes on him... He was a young adult
> when I adopted him. He had been sitting at the local
> Humane Society for almost two months before I found
> him! I simply could not believe I was so lucky as to
> have been the one who was to bring him home. He , to
> me, is a treasure. He has been with me for only
> 18-months .  If anything were ever to happen to him,
> my world would collapse. I do not think I would be
> able to get out of bed for a week. I have never had
> an
> animal before or since that I have been so obsessed
> with. I am sure I could never find his equal. I
> would
> not even think of it,  but I would do something kind
> in honor of him and I would try to keep busy...
> The diamond idea was nice...Glenda 
> 
> --- Caroline Kaufmann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> -
> 
> 
> Thank you Glenda and Wendy for your insight.  We are
> taking our time to plan something and won't do
> anything until Aug., so I still have time to think
> about it.  It's funny though because I just found
> the
> pet loss website today on my own and it was really
> helpful.  I liked the poems and I am really
> interested
> in the jewelry memorial websight links for cremains
> and I plan to get something like that.  I think I
> could move on better if I really feel like I always
> have a part of Monkee with me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Caroline 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> 
> From:  wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject:  OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for 

Re: OT: Re: Polydactyl's

[glenda Goodman]

My Feeto has perfectly formed toes and footpads,
6-toes on each foot...front back. Gracie my FeLV+ girl
has 6-toes front, 5-toes back. The front feet have
four toes then one tiny toe, then one big toe. The
tiny toe is just nestled down low between the first
four and last big toe. Her back toes are all even. My
two siblings, little girl and little boy, that I just
received  about 6-weeks ago out of   a shelter in
Arizona were said to have 6-toes on the front and 6on
the back. The little girl, 6 and the other 6 and 7 on
the back. Well, both the little boy and little girl
have perfect back feet. Their toes are all uniform and
match their toe foot pads...On their front feet,
however, they have six claws and five big toe pads on
each foot. When I get them spayed and neutered the vet
will be removing those extra claws, because all they
do is dangle off the side, they are on the side... and
catch on things. They seem to be attached to just a
thread of skin...The real test, is if you ever are
talking to someone about how many toes a cat has, they
need to look on the bottom of the cat's foot and count
the toe pads. Those dangling claws, do not count. With
Gracie there is a very small toe pad in the middle of
the four and last big toe pad.  
When I started reading up on Polydactyls I found a
page on the internet that showed patterns of the
different toe patterns. It is interesting looking up
the information. I was interested to find the info.
regarding Poly Main Coons...How 40% of Main Coons are
inclined to be Poly...but it is not accepted as a
standard...My perfect, dream cat would be a Poly Main
Coon...that had toes like my Feeto. After my dog
passed away , 5/01/07. I started checking
petfinders.com for Polys...That is where I got my
little Gracie out of Montana and after discovering she
was FeLV+ found my little boy and girl. 
My intention was to find Gracie an only cat home, with
the perfect person , but that has not been the
case...I do keep her seperated ,but it is very hard
and very stressful...Lots of handwashing and
paranoia...The quality of her life, so far, is still
better with me, than anyone who might have taken her.
Her best offer was from an older lady who would have
declawed her...She has enough trauma in her life...
I liked that saying I saw somewhere the other day:
SAVE A PAW ,DO NOT DECLAW
There was another saying I saw too, that said,
basically, something about, do not breed or buy , too
many need homes...Does anyone remember that little
rhyme? It is a good one...
As far as scooping water: I remember Feeto eating with
his feet a time or two and he definately can open the
screen door ,but can't push the door forward at the
same time...which is a good thing...He'd be in he
fridge too, if he could. I have always believed humans
and other primates have the edge ,because we have
hands with which to get into things. We are able to
test our theories out: CAUSE AND EFFECT
 Any animal with that advantage is going to be a
handful. Just a thought...Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> LuLu does not do much with her paws but walk around
> real cute like.  lol.  Do either of you have issues
> with an extra nail growing between the "thumb" and
> the other toes on the front paws.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:33:46 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
> 
> 
> My "Polly Go Lighty" is a polydactyl tuxie
> girl...
> 
> Does your poly drink w/ his / her fronts paws?
> 
> Polly likes to scoop the water up from the bowls.
> 
> She also likes it very clean.
> 
> She will sit in front of the water bowl and mew @ me
> until I change it.
> 
> I think she just drinks w/ her toes to show off to
> the other cats.
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
> 
> 
> Glenda, my Siamese mix LuLu is polydactyl.  She has
> an extra toe on all four 
> paws.  It's really cute.
> 
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change 
> the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
> has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
> ~~~
> 
> 
>
>
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RE: OT: Re: Polydactyl's

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa, 
Some days are harder than others. It cannot be easy
taking care of a bunch of  kitties, becoming a mother,
in this day and age, dealing with family that depend
on your support ,but seem not to be able to offer you
any support when you need it. 
Something tells me you are a lot younger than most of
us here...
Well, bless your heart! You are going to make a very
fine , responsible mother. You will be a wonderful
example for your own children...
My mom used to tell me generations skip ...She thought
children are never like their parents, but their
grandparents...I think if you are a good parent, a
real hands on parent, you will be a good influence on
your children...You will change those dynamics...
Somewhere, someone was a good influence on you...and
again bless your heart for trying to be a good
influence on your mom and sisters...
I'm sorry the kitties at your mom's house are having a
rough time...just as long as they are spayed/neutered,
vaccinated and kept off the streets, especially at
night. The good news is, at least Sunny and Steve have
each other for affection...and it looks like nobody is
mean to them?  
On the subject of overweight cats: 
I have one adult male cat named Velcro. He is a  four
year old, tuxedo cat. Velcro does not seem to have any
interests in life. He does love me and wants to sit on
me all the time. He is very jealous of Feeto, simply
cannot stand Feeto. Except for Feeto getting a rise
out of him,
I have never even seen him get excited about
anything... a grasshopper., mouse toys...nothing.  He
sleeps and eats and eats and eats. I do leave the dry
food out for everyone, but Velcro must eat more than
his share?( I do not  even give Velcro
treats...can't...
Everyone else is muscular and reasonably trim... I do
need to really try and put him on a diet...I have
tried keeping food away from him,but he is not getting
lighter...
I think one reason he is overweight is his lack of
interest in playing. Velcro not big on exercise...
I'll ask my vet if it could be a thyroid problem...If
it isn't, I think some cats, like people, are
overweight because of lifestyle choices. 
Sunny must have access to food all day at your mom's? 

I'm glad I was here to listen...When is that human
baby due? 
Glenda
   
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda,
> 
> Too bad you're not taking any more kitties :) My mom
> has a poly named Sunny.
> She's probably four years old or so. I never knew
> that was the technical
> name for them--we've always called them "mitten
> paws." We used to joke that
> this happened from all the pesticides/herbicides in
> the water. Sunny was a
> stray.
> 
> Well, my mom and my sisters who live at home are a
> continual disappointment
> to me in the way they take care of (or don't take
> care of) their pets. Sunny
> is grossly overweight, and their other cat, Steve,
> who I love dearly, just
> wants love and attention, but I'm the only one who
> will give it to him, but
> it just breaks my heart to spend much time over
> there. I get so frustrated
> and angry with them that I have to leave.
> 
> Then there's the dog--a tiny thing they wanted so
> badly, and now they want
> to give him back. I don't understand it. But, I
> think it boils down to the
> fact that my mom has not been able to get her own
> life straight, that passes
> down to the kids, and then the pets get neglected
> just like everything else.
> It's hard for me because I can't understand not
> loving an animal. 
> 
> Mom always nags me to take her pets, especially
> since I love Steve so much
> (named after my husband--same hair/eye color), but
> we already have 3 cats of
> our own, and 2 fosters that need a home, and a human
> baby on the way. The
> other day I started sobbing while cleaning up cat
> vomit. It's just so
> overwhelming. Cat messes never make me upset, but
> our house is small, and
> about to get smaller, and I know these babies need a
> home. I just can't find
> anyone who would give them the care they deserve.
> (No--I'm not asking
> you--just venting). Just like that lady who would
> declaw--how horrible. I
> could never let that happen. 
> 
> Okay, I'm hormonal and blabbering on. Sorry, I'm
> sick and exhausted and
> feeling a bit of a heavy load on my shoulders right
> now. Thanks for
> listening!
> 
> Melissa
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of glenda Goodman
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:54 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Polydactyl's
> 
> My Feeto has perfectly formed toes and footpads,
> 6-toes on each foot...front back. Gracie my F

OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Guys, 
Well, here I am at my computer, dinking around, going
to very dangerous places for me...Sometimes I just
click petfinders .com and check out the POLYS, my big
passion. Sadly, I see that the mom to my kittens,
Lovey is still waiting for a  forever home, in a
foster home situation, in Arizona. I know she is safe,
but it is sad she is still waiting. However, I know
her foster mom would never let anything happen to
her...
I have never read a petfinder ad where they flat out
tell you that if a home is not found soon for an
animal, that animal will be put to death. I do know
the reality of our over flowing shelters, I'm not
stupid...I guess I just do not like to face thinking
about these things...
There are shelters that operate as no kill and keep
the same animals for years...I have been seeing some
of the same animals waiting for months now...There is
, for example , a shelter in Bozeman Montana that has
only adult cats to offer people . The ages on these
cats is as high as 11-12 years...A young cat at this
shelter is mayber 4-6 years...It is crazy...These yype
of shelters are really not good either , because new
animals are turned away for lack of space...New
animals are killed, kittens are killed, if there are
no other facilities able to take them...
Well, guys, here is what is making me cry my eyes out
tonight: 
THERE IS A CAT NAMED CATCHER IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS. HE
IS A GREAT BIG ORANGE POLY.EXTRA TOES FRONT AND BACK
FEET!  HE IS ADORABLE! AS I'M WRITING THIS I CAN ONLY
HOPE HE IS STILL ALIVE. I EMAILED THE SHELTER, JUST
NOW, TO TELL THEM I WAS INTERESTED IN HIM! I TOLD THEM
I'D CALL THEM IN THE MORNING. IF YOU READ THE AD YOU
WILL UNDERSTAND MY FEELINGS HERE. I CAN ONLY HOPE
THERE IS AN OUT POURING OF HELP FOR THIS CAT. I KNOW
ONE PERSON THAT LIVES IN FORT WORTH. I KNOW A TRUCK
DRIVER THAT HAS A RUN THROUGH THERE. I SIMPLY FEEL
COMPELLED TO TRY AND SAVE THIS CAT. IF ANYONE WANTS TO
HIT ME OVER THE HEAD WITH A STICK , I WILL UNDERSTAND.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY EXTRA IDEAS HOW I CAN RESCUE THIS
CAT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I COULD FORWARD HIS PICTURE
TO THIS SITE, BUT THAT WOULD BE BREAKING THE RULES, I
THINK? AT THE LEAST, IT WOULD BE UPSETTING AND OR
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL YOU SOFTIES OUT THERE...  I
DID ASK, IN MY EMAIL TO THE SHELTER, IF CATCHER HAD
BEEN TESTED FOR FeLV/FIV. 
I WILL LET YOU GUYS KNOW TOMORROW WHAT I HAVE LEARNED
IN MY PURSUIT OF THIS PROJECT I'M UNDERTAKING HERE...
I KNOW WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH TO DEAL WITH, JUST WITH OUR
OWN LIVES AND THE KITTIES WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR
CARE...
SORRY ,BUT SOMETIMES ON THIS SITE WE FIND OURSELVES
GOING TO EACH OTHER FOR COMFORT AND UNDERSTANDING. I
GUESS IT WAS MY TURN TONIGHT. I USUALLY DO NOT START
BAWLING OVER A CAT I DO NOT KNOW , BUT THIS AD,
PROFILING CATCHER, REALLY MOVED ME. IF ANYONE HAS TIME
ON THEIR HANDS TO LOOK CATCHER UP CHECK HIS PICTURE
OUT. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME! 
GLENDA 


   

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Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

[glenda Goodman]

Sally, I just looked at your kitty. She has really
pretty green eyes. She should grow up to be a real
beauty! 
It sure is hard loving all these kitties and being
able to only help a handful. 
Your website is wild. When I get a little time I will
check it out again. 
The best of luck to you and your kitties. I have one
FeLV+ kitty too. I think that really slows us down, so
hard keeping everyone seperated and back tracking,
making sure everything is kept clean and picked up...
About this kitty in Fort Worth : I will know what is
going on when I call tomorrow. As it stands, I will
take this cat in, if I am able to get him to me... I
will sponser him...whatever it takes that I can do...
I just have to try...Thanks for checking him out...He
is at : ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL DIVISION 
 FORT WORTH ,TEXAS
He is # 501505
His name is Catcher, a very large, orange poly. Poor
little guy, wearing the duck suit hat...trying so hard
to be cute...
anyone live in Fort Worth with time to conspire with
me on this? I'll send the bail out fees...
He simply has to be still alive or I will just go
bonkers...will find out tomorrow... Thanks, Glenda

--- Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> HI Glenda
> 
> He is SOOO cute. I hope he gets a good home.
> 
> I just aquired a new kitten. She is solid grey. Now
> with Junior being FeLV
> pos. I had no intention of bringing a cat home.
> Someone told the lady I did
> rescue. She told me all the shelters were full.
> Someone had dropped the
> kitten off and she was half starved. She is doing
> better and is confined to
> Eric's room. Which means she also has company.
> However I am still trying to
> find her a home. There are sveral poeple where I
> work who are interested.
> 
> Her picture is on my website see below.
> 
> Sally
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and
> White, Ittle Bitty, Little
> Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB
> for some pictures post
> your as well.
> 
>
http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
> 



   

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RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

[glenda Goodman]

Everyone, I just got ahold of an actual person at the
shelter in Fort Worth regarding Catcher. This is how
my conversation went: I ased if Catcher was available.
The gal goes I need a #. I give her the #: 501505.
She says, "That does not sound like a good #. Then a
minute later she says, "She has been adopted." I said,
"He was a boy." Like I'm just irritated they did not
even know he was a boy...Then I said , "When?" She
said , "Why?" I said, "Because they said, if Catcher
was not adopted right away, he was going to be put
down." 
My heart is just broken, because I simply do not
believe these people...This is a government
facility...I cannot believe they left themselves open
to a bunch of panicked people out here, worried about
that cat by the ad that was put out on
petfinders...They have to have fosters...It is
possible this cat was adopted, but the tone of the
person's voice on the other end, was abrupt...scared
the hell out of me...
The phone # to that facility is 817-392-3737 just for
anyone out there that wants to try it out...
I have been involved with animal rescue and shelters
in my past and really do not trust the image they try
to project to the public...thus to keep people like me
calm...It is not their fault, I do understand, but
knowing this is no consolation...Well enough
depressing stuff. Remember he could have gotten
adopted...Glenda

--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda,
> 
> How's it going with Catcher? Can you post the link
> to his picture? I hope
> you are able to get him. Have you looked into cheap
> flights? Southwest Ding
> might be the place to go to get down there, but I'm
> not sure if they have a
> Omaha / Fort Worth flight. You can't take cats on
> Southwest (no pets
> allowed), but you could always find another cheap
> flight back. When I flew
> to Best Friends, my airfare was around $200 round
> trip on two different
> airlines! About $100 on the way out, $80 on the way
> back, plus $50 for the
> cat on the way there to ride under the seat. Then I
> got a great deal on a
> car. I booked it so that it was a turn-around--no
> hotel needed, just a
> little napping in the airport. 
> 
> Let me know how things go...I don't think you're
> crazy. More cats can be
> overwhelming, but if we don't take them, who will? 
> 
> Melissa
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of glenda Goodman
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:17 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS
> AGAIN...
> 
> Sally, I just looked at your kitty. She has really
> pretty green eyes. She should grow up to be a real
> beauty! 
> It sure is hard loving all these kitties and being
> able to only help a handful. 
> Your website is wild. When I get a little time I
> will
> check it out again. 
> The best of luck to you and your kitties. I have one
> FeLV+ kitty too. I think that really slows us down,
> so
> hard keeping everyone seperated and back tracking,
> making sure everything is kept clean and picked
> up...
> About this kitty in Fort Worth : I will know what is
> going on when I call tomorrow. As it stands, I will
> take this cat in, if I am able to get him to me... I
> will sponser him...whatever it takes that I can
> do...
> I just have to try...Thanks for checking him
> out...He
> is at : ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL DIVISION 
>  FORT WORTH ,TEXAS
> He is # 501505
> His name is Catcher, a very large, orange poly. Poor
> little guy, wearing the duck suit hat...trying so
> hard
> to be cute...
> anyone live in Fort Worth with time to conspire with
> me on this? I'll send the bail out fees...
> He simply has to be still alive or I will just go
> bonkers...will find out tomorrow... Thanks, Glenda
> 
> --- Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > HI Glenda
> > 
> > He is SOOO cute. I hope he gets a good home.
> > 
> > I just aquired a new kitten. She is solid grey.
> Now
> > with Junior being FeLV
> > pos. I had no intention of bringing a cat home.
> > Someone told the lady I did
> > rescue. She told me all the shelters were full.
> > Someone had dropped the
> > kitten off and she was half starved. She is doing
> > better and is confined to
> > Eric's room. Which means she also has company.
> > However I am still trying to
> > find her a home. There are sveral poeple where I
> > work who are interested.
> > 
> > Her picture is on my website see below.
> > 
> > Sally
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> &

RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa,
 Thank you for all that flight info. I had my next
steps figured out, as far as the transportation, could
have gotten myself down there and was willing to bug
people, to see if they would not run down there to
secure the situation, so as to give me a couple
days...I only 'know' someone in Fort Worth, not anyone
really close...
Oh well...I was just moved to try my best for this
cat...Sometimes you can just look at an animal and
know...It is like what I said to Caroline the other
day, about seeing that special one that touches your
soul. I had a special feeling for Catcher...
Bless everyone of you wonderful people out there, who
are taking the time to care for, the little things in
life, that really are ,the big things in life...
Glenda 
--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Everyone, I just got ahold of an actual person at
> the
> shelter in Fort Worth regarding Catcher. This is how
> my conversation went: I ased if Catcher was
> available.
> The gal goes I need a #. I give her the #: 501505.
> She says, "That does not sound like a good #. Then a
> minute later she says, "She has been adopted." I
> said,
> "He was a boy." Like I'm just irritated they did not
> even know he was a boy...Then I said , "When?" She
> said , "Why?" I said, "Because they said, if Catcher
> was not adopted right away, he was going to be put
> down." 
> My heart is just broken, because I simply do not
> believe these people...This is a government
> facility...I cannot believe they left themselves
> open
> to a bunch of panicked people out here, worried
> about
> that cat by the ad that was put out on
> petfinders...They have to have fosters...It is
> possible this cat was adopted, but the tone of the
> person's voice on the other end, was abrupt...scared
> the hell out of me...
> The phone # to that facility is 817-392-3737 just
> for
> anyone out there that wants to try it out...
> I have been involved with animal rescue and shelters
> in my past and really do not trust the image they
> try
> to project to the public...thus to keep people like
> me
> calm...It is not their fault, I do understand, but
> knowing this is no consolation...Well enough
> depressing stuff. Remember he could have gotten
> adopted...Glenda
> 
> --- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Glenda,
> > 
> > How's it going with Catcher? Can you post the link
> > to his picture? I hope
> > you are able to get him. Have you looked into
> cheap
> > flights? Southwest Ding
> > might be the place to go to get down there, but
> I'm
> > not sure if they have a
> > Omaha / Fort Worth flight. You can't take cats on
> > Southwest (no pets
> > allowed), but you could always find another cheap
> > flight back. When I flew
> > to Best Friends, my airfare was around $200 round
> > trip on two different
> > airlines! About $100 on the way out, $80 on the
> way
> > back, plus $50 for the
> > cat on the way there to ride under the seat. Then
> I
> > got a great deal on a
> > car. I booked it so that it was a turn-around--no
> > hotel needed, just a
> > little napping in the airport. 
> > 
> > Let me know how things go...I don't think you're
> > crazy. More cats can be
> > overwhelming, but if we don't take them, who will?
> 
> > 
> > Melissa
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of glenda Goodman
> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:17 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS
> > AGAIN...
> > 
> > Sally, I just looked at your kitty. She has really
> > pretty green eyes. She should grow up to be a real
> > beauty! 
> > It sure is hard loving all these kitties and being
> > able to only help a handful. 
> > Your website is wild. When I get a little time I
> > will
> > check it out again. 
> > The best of luck to you and your kitties. I have
> one
> > FeLV+ kitty too. I think that really slows us
> down,
> > so
> > hard keeping everyone seperated and back tracking,
> > making sure everything is kept clean and picked
> > up...
> > About this kitty in Fort Worth : I will know what
> is
> > going on when I call tomorrow. As it stands, I
> will
> > take this cat in, if I am able to get him to me...
> I
> > will sponser him...whatever it takes that I can
> > do...
> > I just have to try...Thanks for checking him
> > out...He
> &g

RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

[glenda Goodman]

Tamara, 
Thank you, Dear, for your story...I am so sorry your
heart was broken like that...I completely understand. 
It is not like I do not have enough little guys
already with me to love... I have 6-cats...Six is
supposed to be my max. I also have Gracie , my FeLV+
kitty.I hate to admit to having seven ,so I do not
count Gracie ,because I keep imagining I will find her
a perfect home...
 I am not looking for another cat, but I did react on
the impulsive side of me to rescue this particular
cat, Catcher...I could not help but fall in love with
him and want to save him. I seriously need to stop
looking at Polys on petfinder.com
I have two addictions: FLOWERS and CATS
 My best girlfriend and I talk about "our sicknesses"
often.
 I better get off this computer and go to work...I do
work.
I love you guys! Thanks for the support! 
Glenda
--- tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda,
>
>   I attempt to adopt a cat from PetFinders a few
> years back.  My application was accepted, but an
> "accident" occured in the foster home where he was
> being held...apparently Carruthers was "chasing
> cherry tomatos" the caregivers son was tossing out
> an open 2nd story window (??) and he jumped/fell
> (or was he dropped???) out into a pack of dogs on
> the deck below that she had just set food out for. 
> She said she vetted him and he only had
> bruisesbut two days before I was to pick him up,
> she told me she found him dead on his chair.  I was
> CRUSHED, having just lost my cat to a blood clot a
> few months back and still blame myself for not being
> able to get up there and pick him up sooner.  I
> didn't believe her either and had my sister
> (different last name) contact her wanting to adopt
> him...but she too was told he died.  I still have
> his picture in a frame on the memorial shelf with my
> other critters ashes.  
>
>   Sometimes.."s - it" just happens and despite our
> best intentionsit just isn't meant to be.
>
>   Hang in there...the one that is meant for you
> ...will find you soon.
>
>   T
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Everyone, I just got ahold of an actual person at
> the
> shelter in Fort Worth regarding Catcher. This is how
> my conversation went: I ased if Catcher was
> available.
> The gal goes I need a #. I give her the #: 501505.
> She says, "That does not sound like a good #. Then a
> minute later she says, "She has been adopted." I
> said,
> "He was a boy." Like I'm just irritated they did not
> even know he was a boy...Then I said , "When?" She
> said , "Why?" I said, "Because they said, if Catcher
> was not adopted right away, he was going to be put
> down." 
> My heart is just broken, because I simply do not
> believe these people...This is a government
> facility...I cannot believe they left themselves
> open
> to a bunch of panicked people out here, worried
> about
> that cat by the ad that was put out on
> petfinders...They have to have fosters...It is
> possible this cat was adopted, but the tone of the
> person's voice on the other end, was abrupt...scared
> the hell out of me...
> The phone # to that facility is 817-392-3737 just
> for
> anyone out there that wants to try it out...
> I have been involved with animal rescue and shelters
> in my past and really do not trust the image they
> try
> to project to the public...thus to keep people like
> me
> calm...It is not their fault, I do understand, but
> knowing this is no consolation...Well enough
> depressing stuff. Remember he could have gotten
> adopted...Glenda
> 
> --- Melissa Lind wrote:
> 
> > Hi Glenda,
> > 
> > How's it going with Catcher? Can you post the link
> > to his picture? I hope
> > you are able to get him. Have you looked into
> cheap
> > flights? Southwest Ding
> > might be the place to go to get down there, but
> I'm
> > not sure if they have a
> > Omaha / Fort Worth flight. You can't take cats on
> > Southwest (no pets
> > allowed), but you could always find another cheap
> > flight back. When I flew
> > to Best Friends, my airfare was around $200 round
> > trip on two different
> > airlines! About $100 on the way out, $80 on the
> way
> > back, plus $50 for the
> > cat on the way there to ride under the seat. Then
> I
> > got a great deal on a
> > car. I booked it so that it was a turn-around--no
> > hotel needed, just a
> > little napping in the airport. 
> > 
> > Let me know how things go...I don't think you're
> > crazy. More cats ca

Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

[glenda Goodman]

Sally,  I did go back to your website later last
night...checked daylillies and the song by M. It kind
of touched my mood...The song...very good...Eric is
very talented at putting sites together. My son is
pretty tricky too , but not that tricky...My son does
the photo and ebay stuff. He  very good at that...
Anyway, about Junior:
 I'm so glad he is doing better. I know you are
holding on to hope for him. That is one thing about
this disease, for every ten people that give you no
hope, there is one with a success story or some type
of optimistic information that makes us know we have
to give it all we got to pull our little guys through.
I'm so sorry this disease has been so awful in your
family...You are an angel for trying so hard...My
heart is with Junior...
With my Gracie, I have never seen her show any signs
of sickness, yet. She is only 5-months old. She
contracted her leukemia from her mother.  All I have
been doing with her is giving her 500 mg of lysene per
day and a good vitamin tablet. I give her a small dab
of tuna or sardine with the crushed up tablets and she
licks her plate clean...very simple...
I am always seeing where people say the test results
are a  strong positive or a weak positive. The second
time Gracie was tested I looked at the test kit and
asked my vet if she was a weak pos. or a a strong pos.
My vet just said, that it did not matter..."a positive
was a positive" I remember with heartworm in dogs, it
does matter , a weak pos. or strong pos. Maybe that is
different...?  Later, Glenda
--- Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda,
> 
> I live in VA so nowhere near Fort Worth. I thought
> the duck suit was
> ridiculous, he is gorgeous on his own merit. I have
> never had a poly, but
> several of my kitties came from poly families and
> their paws look bigger, I
> always check Spike because her mother was a poly and
> she looks like she has
> buds of what could have been extra toes but that is
> all.
> 
> I am so glad you are taking on Catcher's Cause. So
> may kitties needing home.
> I can only save one at a time.
> 
> I am still amazed at Junior's progress. Last fall I
> thought he would not
> survive very long from the FeLV. He has has several
> infections and it all
> started with anemia. He felt soo bad and I
> did too. Not to mention
> losing three cats to this horrible disease. My
> household far exceeded the
> statistic for cats getting sick with FeLV. I am just
> lucky that way.(NOT)
> 
> Juniors only symptoms that are visible now are
> enlarged lymph nodes behind
> his ears, glaucoma from an eye infection, and a
> permanently dilated eye also
> from uveitis. He sometimes sounds a little congested
> but never sneezes. Oh
> yes and he has hemaetomas in his ears.
> 
> I am glad you went to my site. Everyone is welcome
> to look and join if they
> like. Eric set it up. The missing pictures are from
> a lady on another group.
> He lost some history during an upgrade and she never
> posted them again.
> 
> I hope no news is food news. I am always glad when
> the group is quiet.
> 
> Sally
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

[glenda Goodman]

Yes , Diane, Thanks...I certainly do intend to follow
up...even thought to call a foster that works through
this shelter and act a little dumb to see if they
might slip and tell me something...I do have a devious
side when it comes to helping animals...I'm really off
to work guys...Thanks, Glenda
--- "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda, if you're not sure that Catcher has truly
> been adopted, maybe
> you should try calling again, to see if you can get
> a little peace of
> mind, or maybe talk to someone a little nicer.  Keep
> everything
> businesslike and try not to reveal annoyance, just,
> if they say he's
> adopted, mention that his picture is still up on the
> site, etc.  You
> might or might not want to tell them that you had
> already called.
> 
> I've had bad experiences trying to adopt from our
> local "humane society"
> which is privately owned and which appears to think
> that it's more
> important to put a prospective owner through an
> incredibly stringent
> application process than it is to actually place
> pets in a home that
> might not be perfect from all standpoints but would
> be loving and happy.
> This same place has been shown to have a huge kill
> rate, including
> owners of lost pets coming in a few hours after the
> pet was lost only to
> find it had already been euthanized.  I can't fathom
> why so many of
> these places seem to lose sight of their mission,
> and for a place that's
> supposed to be based on compassion for animals, so
> many of them appear
> to have no compassion for the people who come to
> them.
> 
> Diane R.
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Re: To Glenda re. Catcher

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, 
That is so sweet of you! Last night when I saw him on
petfinder.com I just fell in love with him. They put
him in that dumb little suit and I thought how he was
just so good natured and trying to please
everyone...so desperate to get adopted...I read what
they wrote, saying he had been in the shelter since
May and was starting to get depressed and how they
were going to put him out of his misery if he was not
adopted soon. 
Well, this mortified me. I'd never seen an ad on
petfinder say something so harsh, ever. Here we have a
beautiful, healthy animal and they are saying he will
be killed, because there is not room to keep him and
he is getting depressed. Well, I actually was crying
last night over this cat, wondering if I was too
late...I told everyone about him last night, because I
, knowing me, was probably hoping someone in or near
Fort Worth would help me somehow, if I needed a human
to be there to speak for him...I know how difficult it
can be adopting long distance. I would have asked my
son's dad, who goes down every week in the summer. He
hauls potatoes south and watermelons north. He used to
run 5-trucks, now he just runs his own, but has lots
of connections...I would have gotten that kitty a
ride, believe me...I was not going to let that cat
die! The bad thing is, I had not surfed petfinder. com
for a couple weeks,so did not know how long that ad
had been out.
Well, as you could see I let everyone know step by
step. I called the minute they opened this morning. My
last update was, I had only called once and got a lady
that did not offer a lot of info and just in general
gave me a bad feeling. I called back ,around their
lunch time, hoping to get lucky and get a nicer , more
helpful person. I did. A lady named Dorothy. She just
seemed a lot nicer, had a more thoughtful attitude.
She too, said the ID# on the cat was invalid... then I
 said , his name is Catcher. She recognized the name ,
because she said, there were several calls yesterday
asking about him. She left the phone for a few
minutes, said she would ask a worker about Catcher.
She finally came back and said an attendent told her
Catcher was adopted yesterday. I said, you mean he is
alive? She said, yes, he is alive. I felt like she was
telling me the truth. If only for the fact, I cannot
imagine a number of people who saw that ad, as
desperate as it was worded, did not panic like I did.
It was a very affective ad. Even the dumb duck suit
made people click to just see what was going on with
that cat...then they could read it...A lot of people
had to see it. 
They finally removed the ad tonight from the site. I
wish , under the circumstances , they would say
ADOPTED and leave it up...Then I think I would feel a
little more sure that he did get adopted. 
 I want to apologize to everyone for getting so
excited about this cat before I knew a lot...The only
thing good about how I handled this was, I was able to
get the word out fast and wonderful Wendy offered to
help me rescue the little guy...That fast action was
very important in this particular case. 
Again Wendy, THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'll be here for you
too, if you ever need any help from this part of the
country. 
Glenda 
 

--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda,
> 
> I have not read this thread until tonight.  I am
> going to call the shelter in the am and see what
> they say.  I live in Dallas and Fort Worth is the
> neighboring city.  I would be willing to drive over
> there Monday if you need me to spring him and get
> him to you.  I am sorry I did not read this sooner.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:41:51 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS
> AGAIN...
> 
> 
> Sally,  I did go back to your website later last
> night...checked daylillies and the song by M. It
> kind
> of touched my mood...The song...very good...Eric is
> very talented at putting sites together. My son is
> pretty tricky too , but not that tricky...My son
> does
> the photo and ebay stuff. He  very good at that...
> Anyway, about Junior:
> I'm so glad he is doing better. I know you are
> holding on to hope for him. That is one thing about
> this disease, for every ten people that give you no
> hope, there is one with a success story or some type
> of optimistic information that makes us know we have
> to give it all we got to pull our little guys
> through.
> I'm so sorry this disease has been so awful in your
> family...You are an angel for trying so hard...My
> heart is with Junior...
> With my Gracie, I 

Re: To Glenda re. Catcher

[glenda Goodman]

Thank you so much Wendy...I needed that...
Just signed the petition...I am from California, so
thought I deserved to comment too...
 I said : Anyone who harms an animal deserves to be
punished the same as if they had harmed a human
child...really , that is true...
I hope someday we get a president in the White House
who actually does positive, radical things to change
the world...instead of just negative radical
things...just a thought...
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Glenda,
> 
> I called the Fort Worth Animal Control, and asked
> about Catcher.  A lady named Dorothy, I'm sure the
> same one you spoke to, told me that he had been
> adopted.  I told her I had his number, but she
> didn't even ask for it; she already knew who I was
> talking about.  I asked when he had been adopted,
> and she said two days ago.  I didn't ask her
> anything else.  She seemed nice and I believed her
> when she said he'd been adopted.  I bet he went to a
> great family, with that cute suit!  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:31:11 AM
> Subject: Re: To Glenda re. Catcher
> 
> 
> Wendy, 
> That is so sweet of you! Last night when I saw him
> on
> petfinder.com I just fell in love with him. They put
> him in that dumb little suit and I thought how he
> was
> just so good natured and trying to please
> everyone...so desperate to get adopted...I read what
> they wrote, saying he had been in the shelter since
> May and was starting to get depressed and how they
> were going to put him out of his misery if he was
> not
> adopted soon. 
> Well, this mortified me. I'd never seen an ad on
> petfinder say something so harsh, ever. Here we have
> a
> beautiful, healthy animal and they are saying he
> will
> be killed, because there is not room to keep him and
> he is getting depressed. Well, I actually was crying
> last night over this cat, wondering if I was too
> late...I told everyone about him last night, because
> I
> , knowing me, was probably hoping someone in or near
> Fort Worth would help me somehow, if I needed a
> human
> to be there to speak for him...I know how difficult
> it
> can be adopting long distance. I would have asked my
> son's dad, who goes down every week in the summer.
> He
> hauls potatoes south and watermelons north. He used
> to
> run 5-trucks, now he just runs his own, but has lots
> of connections...I would have gotten that kitty a
> ride, believe me...I was not going to let that cat
> die! The bad thing is, I had not surfed petfinder.
> com
> for a couple weeks,so did not know how long that ad
> had been out.
> Well, as you could see I let everyone know step by
> step. I called the minute they opened this morning.
> My
> last update was, I had only called once and got a
> lady
> that did not offer a lot of info and just in general
> gave me a bad feeling. I called back ,around their
> lunch time, hoping to get lucky and get a nicer ,
> more
> helpful person. I did. A lady named Dorothy. She
> just
> seemed a lot nicer, had a more thoughtful attitude.
> She too, said the ID# on the cat was invalid... then
> I
> said , his name is Catcher. She recognized the name
> ,
> because she said, there were several calls yesterday
> asking about him. She left the phone for a few
> minutes, said she would ask a worker about Catcher.
> She finally came back and said an attendent told her
> Catcher was adopted yesterday. I said, you mean he
> is
> alive? She said, yes, he is alive. I felt like she
> was
> telling me the truth. If only for the fact, I cannot
> imagine a number of people who saw that ad, as
> desperate as it was worded, did not panic like I
> did.
> It was a very affective ad. Even the dumb duck suit
> made people click to just see what was going on with
> that cat...then they could read it...A lot of people
> had to see it. 
> They finally removed the ad tonight from the site. I
> wish , under the circumstances , they would say
> ADOPTED and leave it up...Then I think I would feel
> a
> little more sure that he did get adopted. 
> I want to apologize to everyone for getting so
> excited about this cat before I knew a lot...The
> only
> thing good about how I handled this was, I was able
> to
> get the word out fast and wonderful Wendy offered to
> help me rescue the little guy...That fast action was
> very i

Re: Belinda, please add Miss Sue to the Candlelighting ceremony?

[glenda Goodman]

Anne, I'm sorry your little girl, Miss Sue, is gone.
She obviously knew she was loved. It sounds like you
took very good care of her...It has to be very hard
after having her for so long...Glenda and family
--- anne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Belinda,
>Miss Sue was not feline leukemia positive.  She
> was with me for 8 years and was 10 years old.  She
> died suddenly on Friday.  I suspect her poor heart
> as she was obese and although I was working on it
> with her and thought some progress was being made
> over the last year, it was very slow going.  I
> suspect she had a metabolic disorder, though, as her
> coat was always greasy and flecked with
> dandruff-like particles, ever since I first got her.
> 
> She was a sweet and never complaining girl, very
> friendly to humans who visited, which is an oddity
> in itself at my house.  Most of my cats run and hide
> until the stranger is gone.  She always purred when
> I pet her and loved being combed and watching birds
> out the window.
> 
> She was white with tabby-like striped patches. 
> She was loved by all who knew her.  
> 
> Thanks, Belinda,
> Anne and angels Jimi Too Cool, Simms, Buggsy and
> Nala, all feline leukemia positive and lots of other
> fur covered friends in MI, including Sophie, who
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Re: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatment

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Quentin,
It sounds like you are just about where I am in being
informed about how to treat a FeLV+ kitten. I came to
this group to learn all I could from the people here,
who that have been here, for a while and are
experienced in caring for their Feline Leukemia
Positive Kitties.
 I have read every post for a month and have never
seen anyone mention Valtrex. Where did you see where
Valtrex might be helpful in the treatment of FeLV?
 My five month old kitten was one of six kittens who
contracted FeLV through her mother. Her mother tested
positive, as did a couple of her siblings. I do not
know if all siblings tested positive, but I did read
if the mother is positive 100% of the kittens will
test positive.
My kitten had been bounced around to seven different
homes before she came to me. I am counting the shelter
she came from, three foster homes, then to me , then
two more foster homes, then back to me. She is with me
now. We are getting a routine... Her situation is not
perfect , because she has to be seperated from my
other cats and spends a lot of time alone. I try to
give her a couple hours each day of love and time with
me. I do let her in the yard to climb trees and follow
me around while I weed and work in my flowers. Then it
is back to a small area in my basement where she is
now free outside of her large dog kennel and has her
food, water,toys...She is a very loving ,sweet, social
and energetic little girl and hates being alone. I'm
telling you this , because it is not perfect, but
probably less stressfull than being unsure of her
environment and not having any security.She does feel
at home now... 
If you have only your one little girl kitty, she
should have no stress in her life and obviously all
your love.  
I'm still trying to understand the difference between
faint positives and strong positives...From what I
have been reading, a faint, could mean either, she was
just exposed or she is early into her disease?  I have
a vet that simply told me, a positive is a positive.
She would not tell me if my little girl was faint or
strong, but it looked quite clear to me ,so it was
probaly a strong pos. My vet does try to be gentle
with me. When it was realized my kitten was infected
through her mother, my vet did give me hope by saying,
often when the virus comes through the queen, the
kittens have a good chance of throwing it. Then I hear
too if it is an exposure, they have a good chance of
throwing it. 
I give my kitten 500mg of Lysine a day and a
multi-vitamin and a good diet. I really appreciated
Wendy's advice to you and for now I'd would go with
what she is telling you. There are so many good ideas
here and it is great to have these people with all
their accumulated information and experience to advise
you. If I were a vet, I would try to learn from these
guys. Sadly, most vets are not as informed as we all
might hope...That is why we are here..
.Again, where did you come up with the Valtrex idea?
For all we know, you may have come across something
important, that none of us have seen yet? However, it
is probably best to go with the medications and
supplements proven effective and safe over time...
I'm glad you found this group. You will really enjoy
and learn from these guys. Glenda
  
 
--- Quentin Sonnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a sweet little black with white tip 
> girl and I took her to the vet to get treated and
> wormed. We had her tested and she had a very faint
> positive for FeLV. I've been reading up on
> treatments and anti virals and I was wondering if it
> would be a good/ bad idea to give her low dose of
> valtrex? Any help or ideas would be greatly
> appreciated. The kitten is about 4 months old and
> VERY energetic.
> Quentin Sonnier
> 
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Re: Plz add Felicity to the candlelight service

[glenda Goodman]

Gloria, 
I'm very sorry to hear of your loss. I can tell
Felicity had a good life with you. Bless your heart!
May, when it is our time to go, we are as lucky as
Felicity was to be surrounded by so much love...
Is B.B. a new addition to your family and is  she/he, 
FeLV+. 
Are Chloe and Oliver doing well? It sounds like these
original kitties came from the same home...was it from
someone elderly or  who has since passed away?
 Anyway, you are an angel, I might add... Glenda
--- Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We received 4 FELV kitties from a lady in Oklahoma
> back in 2005.   
> They were all about 8-9 years old at that time. One
> died shortly  
> after, a very fat sweet kitty but think the move
> upset her and she  
> stopped eating.  Long story.
> 
> Felicity died 2 days ago - the morning of July 27. 
> She had been  
> going downhill and was anemic.  She was a shy kitty,
> about 10-11  
> years old.  She was not easy to medicate, was not
> much into human  
> contact, but was a pretty white girl with black ears
> and tail.  She  
> leaves her pals Oliver and Chloe, both 10-11 years
> old, and her new  
> friend B.B. (about 4 yrs old).  Chloe and I sat with
> Felicity quite a  
> while as she was gently fading away. She will be
> missed.
> 
> Gloria
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Re: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatment

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Quentin, 
I'm sure more than a couple of us will get back to you
on this post, as there are a couple things you said
here some of us might know about and want to comment
on.  I'm only going to give you feedback on the $$
issue.
I live in Nebraska, farm country. We have always been
able to purchase our cat/dog vaccinations over the
counter, everything except the rabies vaccine. They
want the animals documented for rabies, so that must
go through the vet. 
I noticed about a year ago, the Feline Leukemia
vaccine must also now be given by your vet. You can no
longer buy it over the counter. In the past, I would
administer all my vaccinations to my cats and dog,
except the rabies. The over the counter cost was
roughly $4.00 for the Feline
Rhinotracheitis-Calici-Panleukopenia-Chamydia Psittaci
Vaccine:( the Flu vaccine). Your kitten needs two of
these, spaced about a month apart, then a booster
every year...The Feline Leukemia Vaccine was about
$6.00.Your kitten needs two of these too...Then a
yearly booster...Things are changing a bit now and it
is thougt we might be over vaccinating...
 In the past, I boostered everyone, every year and
felt proud of myself for saving at least $40.00 per
cat. (I now have six cats...) (My cost to do it myself
was about 11.00 per cat.) The Leukemia vaccination
from the vet was close to $30.00 and the Feline
Rhino-combo was around $26.00. Some vets tack on that
office visit charge, as they might call it a check-up.
You can purchase your de-worming meds over the
counter, but it does help to know what type of worms
your cat might have , if any, and get the correct
wormer.  Your vet has the better wormers. ...As you
know, indoor and outdoor cat worming needs, are a lot
different.Outdoor cats are constantly getting
tapeworms,for example...
Quentin, I noticed the other day Foster and Smith
sells different vaccines through the mail , as I'm
sure a lot of other pet suppliers do. However, I
believe it depends on which state you are in and what
their laws are...I noticed with the Foster and Smith
catalog they were asking for a prescription from your
vet...
I do wonder why, all of the sudden, the laws have
changed in Nebraska where we can no longer purchase
the Feline Leukemia Vaccine over the counter. I think
this is a very bad change, because now, the
responsible farmers, with large cat populations might
bypass vaccinating their farm cats completely, for
Leukemia...The  FeLV vaccination from the vet is
26.00- 33.00 here in Nebraska. The FeLv/FIV test is, 
$ 33.00-$42.00 in my area...
Spay and neuter is getting more expensive too. Spay is
around $125.00 Neuter is around, $85.00. They are also
adding pain management and some type of blood gas test
before the spay/neuter to make sure your animal will
survive the procedure...These tests add another $60.00
or so on to the bill? You can always bypass these
services and say, not to worry about pain management
or ah, let's just see if my animal can make it through
the spay /neuter and not die...like they make you feel
like a bad parent or something, if you refuse those
little add ons...I know I want to be a good parent ,so
I'm stuck...
You might have a heart to heart with your vet and ask
him to take it a little easier on you, especially
since you are dealing with a FeLV+ kitty and it is
really hard right now. I know a lot of vets really try
and help shelter animals out and maybe they are
picking up their losses charging their customers so
much. Tell your vet you are working with curing your
kitty and tell him you have a great group of people on
this list and you are a bio major...the whole thing
and this is a project of love for you...And, actually
since you are so hands on here your vet should be
willing to work with you on this...Your vet might
learn something...JUST A THOUGHT..I think you do
deserve a break...Bless your heart and good luck with
your kitty. HANG IN THERE!
Glenda
 
--- Quentin Sonnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To be completly honest I have no idea what test it
> was. I feel like I was overcharged $105 for felt/fiv
> test deworming and nasal flu vaccine. Is this
> normal. I'm a college senior and my income is
> moddest to say the least but was this a far price? I
> know the test kit was a small white plastic bowl
> that had a faint positive for the felv antigen but
> not antibody? Being bio major I thought that was
> weird. The vet mentioned that would indicate it got
> the antibody from its mother but not the virus. This
> kitten has an abnormal eye that is receeded so I'm
> thinking its mother tranmited it. I'll look into the
> lysine diet sup. Also are anti oxidants a good bet?
> I was thinking about giving her low doses of xango.
> 
> Quentin Sonnier
> 
> On Jul 29, 2007, at 1:14 PM, "Pat Kachur"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> We "think" Mandy has only had the virus for about 5
> months--but only because the vision problem began at
> that time so it is really just a guess.  The vet
> said that the virus may attack 

Re: Looking to adopt an FeLV+ playmate for her other positive

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Belinda,
 Gosh, this could be a perfect situation for my
Gracie, BUT it really is a scary thought, sending my
adored kitty across the country to a situation I
cannot observe first hand.Also , subjecting her to
another move...
 My Gracie does want a playmate so badly and it breaks
my heart to keep her so secluded. I will say, my
Gracie is absolutely enchanting as cats go... Anyone
would be smitten with her immediately. She is my
little sidekick and so smart and playful...These
people would really have to pass the tenth degree and
being so long distance, not sure how we could work it
out. Have they been working hard to help their cat
throw the virus? I continue to work with Gracie and
have a little bit of hope ,but am not going to hold my
breath...She is only 5-months old and contracted the
virus through her mother...The fact she could throw
the virus maybe makes it wiser to not consider these
options yet? However,just for the heck of it, I will
email these, I'm sure, lovely people, and talk cats
with them...Maybe they should join this list?
Thank You! Glenda 
--- Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hi All,
>Got this email this morning, anyone got adoptees
> available??  I don't 
> know this person or anything about them so caution
> is advised:
> 
> > Hi, we recently lost our cat to Felv and are
> looking for a felv+ companion for our other cat, who
> is 2 and is felv+.  Do you have any Felv+ cats or
> kittens that are healthy and do not have FIV that
> are available to adopt?  We would like a cat that is
> under four years old, up date on all other shots,
> and doesn't have a large history of health problems.
>  *We live in Farmington Hills, a suburb in the Metro
> Detroit area*.  Thanks for you time, Kerri - contact
> email [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
> 
> -- 
> 
> Belinda
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> 
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> 
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RE:Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?

[glenda Goodman]

Malone, 
Hi !
How I am understanding this is: 
Your kitten Sox. was too young to test for FeLv/FIV.
The vet went ahead, looked at your kitten. assumed he
was healthy and decided to just give him his first
vaccination for FeLV. 
I am guessing after Sox passed away, at nine months of
age, you started to research his background...You
learned that his mother had tested positive and his
siblings, obviously all had the virus too, contracted
through the mother. I have read, an infected Queen
infects 100% of the offspring...
 Your kitty, that you have now was also vaccinated,
right? Did this kitty live with Sox? Do you think this
kitty contracted the virus from Sox? Had you ever had
this kitty tested in the past and at one time was his
test negative? 
I'm glad you are here and there are some very well
informed, wonderful people here, who will share
everything they have learned with you to help you take
care of the kitty you have. From what I am learning,
older kitties that are only exposed to the virus can
sometimes throw the virus, but you need to build up
your kitty's immune system and keep your kitty free of
stress...How old is the kitty you have now? You have
not asked any real questions...Ask away and you will
get lots of help and emotional support...The best of
luck to you and do not be afraid to fight this awful
disease with the help of the friends you will find
here. Glenda 
--- Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was told I didn't need to test anymore by my vet
> that Sox was healthy, and
> he was vaccinated. I wish I had waited until he was
> a few weeks older,
> tested him, and then I would have known. He died at
> 9 months, and he had
> been vaccinated. His mother had FeLV, but at the
> time I didn't know. She was
> a feral that wasn't caught until the month after he
> died. All his litter
> mates died as well. I really still know nothing
> about this virus other than
> the fact it is heart wrenching to see a beloved pet
> die. I will always test.
> Now my baby boy, who has been vaccinated, has
> contracted the virus. He is
> healthy, and I try to learn from people here how to
> keep him healthy. 
> 
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Re: Hi everyone. New here. Need help with my kitty please.

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Beckie, 
I have been reading your posts, but am still learning
myself...so have been leaving it up to those who have
been involved with these problems longer than myself. 
Until the day my vet told me my kitten had just tested
positive for FeLV, I just cared for my cats the way I
assumed,  was how you were suppose to care for your
cats. This was:
 You spay/ neuter, deworm and vaccinate, according to
what were the recommended vaccinations and on which
schedules, then you boostered your cats every year
after that and dewormed when neccessary. You must also
feed a "good quality" cat food and everything should
be fine...I am only a couple months away from that
particular way of thinking...
Some of the people, who are very well informed, here,
do not even vaccinate! This was very shocking to me.
However , we are learning, just lately, information is
coming up, that is showing, we have been over
vaccinating...There is so much to learn...
I was really glad to find out it was not Moe making
the kitchen messes...You have gotten excellent advice
from these guys on that...Cats can be very emotional
and they each have their way of getting back to you
when they are upset. I know dogs can be the same
way...There should be a diplomatic way to solve the
kitchen mess problem with your tricky little
kitty...obviously, an insecurity problem...
My heart is with you Beckie on the FeLV issues. Like
everyone here , you are a loving , caring individual
who takes the time, to love, appreciate and take the
responsibility to do right by your kitty family. The
best of luck to you and your boyfriend and bless your
hearts! Thank you for being here...
Glenda

--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone.
> My name is Beckie. I'm 25 and live in Iowa with my
> boyfriend and 3 cats
> (2 of whom are FLV positive). I'm hoping you guys
> can help me.
> 
> I have a cat named Moe and he's about 3 and has FLV.
> About 3 weeks ago,
> I noticed some bumps around his neck and on his
> back, and he started to
> lose his hair. I took him to the vet, and she said
> it was an
> environmental allergy, gave him some meds and sent
> us home. Well the
> meds just made him worse, so the next week I took
> him back, and this
> time he had a severe infection in his eye and
> tapeworms. This time,
> different meds, and ointment for his eye. STILL not
> better. 
> This time I took him in to the vet and told them I
> wasn't leaving until
> he was better. That was Wed. They gave him a shot
> for the tapeworms,
> Frontline for some fleas, his eye was better so more
> ointment, and Sat.
> he seemed fine. Now today when we woke up he had
> gone to the bathroom in
> the kitchen (which he did when he was originally
> really sick), and as
> soon as he sees either one of us, he runs and hides.
> He also has FLV.
> I'm worried sick, and don't know what to do. Anyone
> else here ever deal
> with something like this? 
> 
> Also, what's the best way to clean up the mess in
> the kitchen? I want to
> eliminate the odor so he won't go in there again!
> 
> Thanks so much!
> Beckie
> 
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Re: My little Moe man.

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, 
I have dealt several times, over 20-years, with three
different cats on the UTI issues. I forgot about
that...
Miles could be trying to tell you something,
especially this howling outside the bathroom door
stuff... I am sure everyone here, finds it
amazing,every day, how our cats try to communicate
with us to tell us things...
UTI is very painfull to cats. Read up on the signs,
such as a pinkish tinge in the urine...or straining
over the litter box and only going a drop if
that...Also, when a kitty, that never sprayed, starts
spraying, the first thing I think is UTI. UTI can kill
a cat very quickly, if not addressed,  once it gets to
a certain point, where a cat simply cannot pass
urine...It is very dangerous. If allowed to progress
to the point where surgery is needed it gets very
expensive...Usually, just crystal disolving medication
and diet adjustments solve the problem...I do know
about UTI.
Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Beckie,
> 
> I second the thought on the UTI (Urinary Tract
> Infection).  You'll also want to get Miles' urine
> tested to rule this out b/c peeing in strange places
> is often a sign of this.  Good thinking Melissa and
> Kelley.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:17:38 PM
> Subject: Re: My little Moe man.
> 
> 
> Beckie,
>  
> Yes, it can definitely be behavioral!  Smart of you
> to figure this out!  However, you might want to get
> bloodwork done on Miles to rule out anything
> physiological.
>  
> I would think that any extreme temperature changes
> would not be good for FeLV+ kitties.  Keeping them
> stress free is very important.
>  
> Please keep us posted on Moe and Miles!
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:18:21 AM
> Subject: My little Moe man.
> 
> 
> Hi everyone.
>  
> Thanks for the responses.  I had them do blood work
> on him, and its fine, he¢s eating like a cow, and
> drinking like a camel.
> Something that I discovered today is that it¢s NOT
> him going to the bathroom in the kitchen; it¢s our
> OTHER FLV+ cat, Miles.  Now Miles is about 4 years
> old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and drinks,
> plays, etc.  I HAVE noticed that last couple of
> weeks though he¢s been being REALLY affectionate,
> and I haven¢t been able to spend as much time with
> him and Holly (our 5 year old cat who does NOT have
> felv)  as I usually do because I¢ve been so busy
> with Moe.  Is it possible that Miles has started to
> use the kitchen as his own personal bathroom because
> he¢s jealous of the attention that Moe is getting
> and trying to get our attention?  I KNOW it¢s Miles,
> because he didn¢t hear me get up this morning, and
> Moe was lying on my pillow next to my head (like he
> normally does), and I got up went out to the
> kitchen, and he must not have heard me, because I
> caught him red handed doing his business.  I made
> loud noises, and stuff, but I don¢t know why
>  he¢s doing this.  He has been acting kind of weird.
>  Like if we¢re in the bathroom taking a shower or
> using the toilet and the door is closed, he¢ll sit
> outside it and just HOWL.  Never did this until a
> few weeks ago.  I figured it was because he was
> worried about Moe, but now not so sure.
>  
> Also, how much does heat effect felv?
> We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air
> conditioner, but it¢s going to get pretty warm here
> in the next week or so, and I was just wondering if
> I should turn the air on for the cats?
>  
> Thanks again everyone.  I¢m so glad I found you all!
>  
> Beckie 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: My little Moe man.

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, 
I have dealt several times, over 20-years, with three
different cats on the UTI issues. I forgot about
that...
Miles could be trying to tell you something,
especially this howling outside the bathroom door
stuff... I am sure everyone here, finds it
amazing,every day, how our cats try to communicate
with us to tell us things...
UTI is very painfull to cats. Read up on the signs,
such as a pinkish tinge in the urine...or straining
over the litter box and only going a drop if
that...Also, when a kitty, that never sprayed, starts
spraying, the first thing I think is UTI. UTI can kill
a cat very quickly, if not addressed,  once it gets to
a certain point, where a cat simply cannot pass
urine...It is very dangerous. If allowed to progress
to the point where surgery is needed it gets very
expensive...Usually, just crystal disolving medication
and diet adjustments solve the problem...I do know
about UTI.
Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Beckie,
> 
> I second the thought on the UTI (Urinary Tract
> Infection).  You'll also want to get Miles' urine
> tested to rule this out b/c peeing in strange places
> is often a sign of this.  Good thinking Melissa and
> Kelley.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:17:38 PM
> Subject: Re: My little Moe man.
> 
> 
> Beckie,
>  
> Yes, it can definitely be behavioral!  Smart of you
> to figure this out!  However, you might want to get
> bloodwork done on Miles to rule out anything
> physiological.
>  
> I would think that any extreme temperature changes
> would not be good for FeLV+ kitties.  Keeping them
> stress free is very important.
>  
> Please keep us posted on Moe and Miles!
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:18:21 AM
> Subject: My little Moe man.
> 
> 
> Hi everyone.
>  
> Thanks for the responses.  I had them do blood work
> on him, and its fine, he¢s eating like a cow, and
> drinking like a camel.
> Something that I discovered today is that it¢s NOT
> him going to the bathroom in the kitchen; it¢s our
> OTHER FLV+ cat, Miles.  Now Miles is about 4 years
> old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and drinks,
> plays, etc.  I HAVE noticed that last couple of
> weeks though he¢s been being REALLY affectionate,
> and I haven¢t been able to spend as much time with
> him and Holly (our 5 year old cat who does NOT have
> felv)  as I usually do because I¢ve been so busy
> with Moe.  Is it possible that Miles has started to
> use the kitchen as his own personal bathroom because
> he¢s jealous of the attention that Moe is getting
> and trying to get our attention?  I KNOW it¢s Miles,
> because he didn¢t hear me get up this morning, and
> Moe was lying on my pillow next to my head (like he
> normally does), and I got up went out to the
> kitchen, and he must not have heard me, because I
> caught him red handed doing his business.  I made
> loud noises, and stuff, but I don¢t know why
>  he¢s doing this.  He has been acting kind of weird.
>  Like if we¢re in the bathroom taking a shower or
> using the toilet and the door is closed, he¢ll sit
> outside it and just HOWL.  Never did this until a
> few weeks ago.  I figured it was because he was
> worried about Moe, but now not so sure.
>  
> Also, how much does heat effect felv?
> We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air
> conditioner, but it¢s going to get pretty warm here
> in the next week or so, and I was just wondering if
> I should turn the air on for the cats?
>  
> Thanks again everyone.  I¢m so glad I found you all!
>  
> Beckie 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Isabella update and what seems to be working for us.

[glenda Goodman]

Laurie,
I have been busy the last couple days, but wanted to
let you know that I have been following your posts
concerning Isabella. I am excited for her progress. I
have been feeling so sorry for her and for all, you
guys, have been going through. It is so great to hear
the good news! 
Thank you,
Glenda
--- laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Sally for this note of encouragement! We
> appreciate it ~ gives us hope!
> Laurie
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Sally Davis 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: Isabella update and what seems to be
> working for us.
> 
> 
>   Hi Laurie, 
> 
>   I am so happy for you. I know you went though what
> I went through when Junior and Tiny tested positive
> for FELV last fall. I plan on going though Junior's
> medical records. He is close to the 1 year mark from
> when he became anemic. Unfortunately Tiny did not
> make it and he was asymptomatic. I believe he died
> from a blood clot to the lungs or heart. It was very
> quick.   
> 
>   Junior like Isabella had a very rocky road for at
> least two months maybe three months. I really was
> not sure he would make it. He ran fevers after being
> anemic, which was probably hemobartella for which he
> was treated. He then got a URI and and eye infection
> that turned into uveitis plus caused glaucoma in his
> damaged eye from a previous injury.  With little
> money I did what I could for him. The remaining
> negative cats all 9 of them were vaccinated and
> later mixed. The infections were treated as they
> came along and right from the start he was given the
> IR protocol, which cleared up some gingivitis that
> he had as well. Infections were the worst because
> they take three times as long to clear up. The cats
> doesn't eat as well. 
> 
>   I did not do the interferon because the vet never
> got on board. He also got Petinic in the beginning,
> lysine, CoQ10, as well as Transfer Factor Plus and
> better cat food. I sometimes had to get baby food to
> get all the supplements in him. We are now
> maintaining with, Wellness Transfer Factor, Manopol,
> and Salmon oil. Oh yes he gets the controversial
> Metacam for pain. He still has swollen Lymph nodes
> they were tested and was only his body fighting
> infection.   The glaucoma causes pain and they lymph
> node aspiration had shown inflammation as well, the
> Metacam takes care of both. He has finally gained
> weight up to almost 13 pounds up from less than 11
> at one time. He looks great and feels much better.
> It is always one day at a time, I am so happy. For
> those who do not know Junior turned 5 last spring.
> Junior and I both say thanks to this group. 
> 
>   Isabella is at the point where she should continue
> to do better if Junior is any example. My feeling is
> getting them past the initial infection stage in the
> first three months, gives them a better chance of
> living a few years, Junior is a blessing. JMO 
> 
>   Sincerely, 
> 
>   Sally Davis
> 
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Re: OT: To Beckie, Air Conditioner

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Melissa, I just want to say hello to you since we
are neighbors and dealing with the same climates,
even...It has been wonderful these last couple days
here in the western panhandle of Nebraska...hope your
area has been cooler too. 
It is true the kitties do get wiped out from the
heat...Now that I am dealing with my FeLV+ kitty I am
constantly paranoid when I notice one of my other guys
sleeping more than usual or not as active...These
cooler days do put more pep in the kitties. I
appreciate your take on this...Have a great day! 
Glenda
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Beckie,
> 
>  
> 
> I forgot to mention about the air-ours was broken
> for 3 weeks during some of
> the hottest weather before we could finally get a
> guy to come fix it!
> Luckily we had a basement, so the kitties could go
> down there if they felt
> too hot. Mostly they would just lie around the
> house. They played a lot less
> than usual-they seemed pretty exhausted from the
> heat. I know we filled
> their water dishes much more than before. 
> 
>  
> 
> So, I guess I would say, it was pretty uncomfortable
> for them. Most of them
> are healthy, so it was easier for them, but for a
> sick cat, I think the heat
> would be much worse. If you have ceiling fans or
> other fans going for some
> circulation, I think it would be better for the
> cats-or a basement too. We
> moved their food dishes down there to encourage them
> to spend more time in
> the cool basement.
> 
>  
> 
> Once our air was fixed, I noticed that our kitties
> were much happier and
> more playful. I would say you don't have to have a
> freezing cold house, but
> maybe running the air once in a while to remove the
> humidity would be good
> and keeping the air circulating is smart too. 
> 
>  
> 
> We don't love the heat, but we don't mind it a
> little warm either, so I know
> what you are feeling. We like to use the air as
> little as possible, not
> because we're cheap, but because we like the sounds
> of the outdoors, the
> birds, the breeze, etc. I always feel cooped up when
> we have to shut the
> windows. Someday we'd like to finish the basement
> which would be a nice
> summer retreat with naturally cooled air. I think
> you said you live in
> Iowa-I'm from Nebraska, and if our climates are
> similar, it's the humidity
> that becomes unbearable more than the heat! :-) 
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa Lind
> 
>  
> 
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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

[glenda Goodman]

How very sad. This is near  where I was raised...so I
can feel it very deeply. I have heard San Francisco
has become very progressive in caring for it's
homeless pet populations, as well as everything to do
with controlling it's pet populations.Is anyone
familiar with their policies, as I am always
interested in learning the different secrets of
success.I think Las Vegas, Nevada is another such
place??? 
Anyway, it would seem, if this is the case ,with a
fair amount of publicity to make people aware of this
tragedy, there might be an out pouring of sympathy for
these cats...I guess I am just being hopeful? I do,
however have faith in my fellow Californians...I'm so
sorry for everyone involved...Glenda
--- Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I believe it started in the basement wiring and
> moves up
> We could not talk too much today but she will be
> online again tomorrow..
> Kelly
> 
> >Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical - but
> do you know 
> >exactly how it happened?  Was it from a dryer or
> something?
> >How many cats does shw have in her apartment for
> adoption?
> >- Original Message -
> >From: HIDEYO
> YAMAMOTO
> >To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM
> >Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
> >
> >This is awful -- I did not understand the part you
> said only 7 or so 
> >accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the
> house and they are missing?
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Kelly L
> >To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
> >Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
> >
> >We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group
> and wonderful
> >helper to ALL OF US 
> >
> >This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She
> has many many cats
> >there and was in the process of doing a lot of
> kitten
> >adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and
> only 7 or so
> >accounted for,,she is looking for them
> >
> >Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in
> any for adoptionsd
> >as she will not be able to adopt out for the
> remainder of this
> >seasonAnyone one with any connections to
> rescue groups Please
> >contact he
> >The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are
> >
> >415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026
> >
> >Her email is
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >She will be checking at internet cafes etc until
> she can get back on
> >her own...she is currently in a one bedroom
> apartment with many ,,too
> >many firghtened cats
> >The fire was electrical,,
> >Please cross post
> >you can also contact me
> >Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?

[glenda Goodman]

Hi guys,
Yesterday I took my two sibling kittens in for their
second feline leukemia vaccination. My little poly
guys I got out of Arizona...They had their first
vacination June 30th...
Anyway, I had not had them tested before their first
vaccination, because their mother tested negative and
they had been kept away from other cats...I want to
trust that they were before I got them. Their foster
mom told me she kept them in her bathroom with their
mother, while they were still nursing. Things do
happen, but I also felt they were too young to subject
to a test before I got them at roughly 8-weeks of age.
I vaccinated them for the first time at about 11-weeks
and the second at 15-weeks. There are a lot of people
out there that probably think I was very wrong, but I
do believe in vaccinating, especially now more than
ever ,because I have one FeLV+ kitty in our family of
seven kitties. I do keep her completely isolated. I
NEVER let her mix. There have been times she has
touched noses through a screen or crack in the door...
with one of my vaccinated cats...I wash my hands a
lot...the whole thing...She is only allowed outside
with me while I'm working in my yard or she stays in
her room.
My cats have always been vaccinated and in the past,
have always been boostered every year. 
I do realize, as a group, we know more than any vet
out there, but yesterday, I told my vet some of you
guys believed a  FeLV vaccination might make a
negative cat test positive. She said that could not
happen ,because it is a killed virus... I think people
are getting mixed up with the FIV vaccine ,which does
make a negative cat test positive. I also have a hard
time believing, if your cat is positive and you
vaccinate, it could kick the disease into gear...I
think I ran that past my vet ,but she just did not
know ,but I'm sure she is doubtful. Yesterday I had
put my little boy kitty, of the pair down to be
tested, but after discussing things with the vet and
vet tech, thinking is was a slim to nonexistant chance
my guys could be positive, I have decided to wait. I
eventually will have everyone tested...
At one time or another everyone has been tested,
except my 12-13 year old...He has been with me all
those years and vaccinated...but he has been
indoor/outdoor. I , of course feel nervous and scared
or I'm sure I would have done the tests already...I
have not recovered from the news on my recently
addition, Gracie, testing positive...As most of us
know and have experienced it is gut wrenching when
that test comes back positive...Your heart falls out
of your chest, to put it mildly...Because we are only
human, not perfect, I think too, we all have our
favorie cats...For a favorite , most adored, I can
only imagine...Everyone have a good day!
Glenda

--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In my opinion I would vaccinate.  My positives were
> vaccinated before testing positive and it did them
> no harm.  There is always a chance that you might
> pick up a stray cat and bring it home and then your
> cats would not be vaccinated.  I do not re-vaccinate
> except every 3 years, but I do start out with the 2
> vaccines.  I think the vaccine has been proven by
> those on this list to do more good than harm.   I do
> not worry at all about mixing a positive cat with my
> vaccinated cats.
>
>   tonya
> 
> Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Cassandra
> My vet thinks that many of the health problems that
> both cats and dogs 
> are facing is the result of
> over vaccination. I would not vaccinate such young
> cats, and I would 
> research the Felk vaccine before
> I would ever consider it for basically indoor cats.
> The Felk 
> vaccination is still controversial and vets at
> the University of Penn do not consider it safe.
> Google "over vaccination of dogs and cats" and check
> out the published 
> research by the University
> of Colorado and Penn, and Dr Ronald Schultz and Dr.
> Jean Dodds.
> 
> Jane 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 31, 2007, at 5:16 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:
> 
> > Felv vaccination is NOT standard - my vet never
> recommend to kitties 
> > who are low risk as Felk vaccines will have a
> potential side effects 
> > -- and do not give all the vaccines
> simultaneoulsy, it's too much for 
> > a kitten, and always use killed vaccines and not
> modifies version.  
> > It's standard -- it's easy money generating thing
> for a vet clinic -
> >  
> > If a kitty goes outside, felk vaccine is
> considerend, but I hope you 
> > will wait a little longer - to give it to them..
> also, need to give it 
> > separately from the time you give other vaccines
> --
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Susan Dubose
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown
> status against FeLV?
> >>
> >> I would always test prior to vaccinating.
> >>  
> >> But that is just me.
> >>  
> >>  
> >> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> >> www.PetGirlsPetsitti

Re: To Glenda Re: using the media for the fire/Leslie's miracle story

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, I thought of that...I know in general, anyone
with a lot of cats is considered wacky...I do know ,
however ,no matter what people think of the people
involved, the kitties will get sympathy. I just was
not sure if she could project herself as a
shelter/rescue...It was just a thought to munch
on...Thank you for bringing this point up...It is a
very excellent/true observation...Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Glenda,
> 
> The thing we may have to be careful of in this
> situation is the media.  They might put Susan in her
> one bedroom apartment with all those cats on TV, and
> I don't know what the pet limit laws are in San
> Francisco, but I'm betting animal control will get
> involved.  If the media only covered the fire and
> gave out Susan's contact info., that would be great,
> but I'm betting they'll want to know where the cats
> are now for the story, which probably wouldn't be
> good.  
> 
> The media, however, can be used for good in some
> situations.  We had a member here, Leslie, back in
> October whose cats got carjacked in Washington
> state, if you can believe it!  Thanks to the media
> (TV coverage), she got both her wonderful cats back
> in a matter of time, a couple of days or so.  The
> thief left the car with the windows open in a retail
> area, and the cats got out.  It is a miracle they
> weren't killed.  One was found at a shelter and the
> other hanging around one of the stores, I believe. 
> It's one of my all time favorite stories now.  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 2:02:05 AM
> Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
> 
> 
> How very sad. This is near  where I was raised...so
> I
> can feel it very deeply. I have heard San Francisco
> has become very progressive in caring for it's
> homeless pet populations, as well as everything to
> do
> with controlling it's pet populations.Is anyone
> familiar with their policies, as I am always
> interested in learning the different secrets of
> success.I think Las Vegas, Nevada is another such
> place??? 
> Anyway, it would seem, if this is the case ,with a
> fair amount of publicity to make people aware of
> this
> tragedy, there might be an out pouring of sympathy
> for
> these cats...I guess I am just being hopeful? I do,
> however have faith in my fellow Californians...I'm
> so
> sorry for everyone involved...Glenda
> --- Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I believe it started in the basement wiring and
> > moves up
> > We could not talk too much today but she will be
> > online again tomorrow..
> > Kelly
> > 
> > >Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical -
> but
> > do you know 
> > >exactly how it happened?  Was it from a dryer or
> > something?
> > >How many cats does shw have in her apartment for
> > adoption?
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>HIDEYO
> > YAMAMOTO
> > >To:
> >
>
<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM
> > >Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
> > >
> > >This is awful -- I did not understand the part
> you
> > said only 7 or so 
> > >accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of
> the
> > house and they are missing?
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Kelly L
> > >To:
> >
>
<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
> > >Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
> > >
> > >We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2
> group
> > and wonderful
> > >helper to ALL OF US 
> > >
> > >This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She
> > has many many cats
> > >there and was in the process of doing a lot of
> > kitten
> > >adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and
> > only 7 or so
> > >accounted for,,she is looking for them
> > >
> > >Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in
> > any for adoptionsd
> > >as she will not

Re: Miles

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, 
What a great little story to start my day on! Thanks!
It is so nice when the little darlings have managed to
tell us what is wrong and we, with our abilities, are
able to actually help them.  I'm so glad you solved
this problem and Miles is a happy little kitty again.
You guys are great! I particularly enjoy your colorful
emails ,so please stick around and keep learning with
the rest of us how to best care for our kitties.
Please keep us posted on how things are going with
your FeLV+ kitty.
 Every day it is something new around here. Bless your
hearts, you guys.
 Glenda 
--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, Miles came thru with flying colors. 
> 
> He indeed has a urinary tract infection.  He's on
> meds, and we haven't
> seen a mess since!  YAY
> 
> Also, we turned on the air in one room for them last
> night.  They were
> loving it.  UNFORTUNATELY, we didn't turn the air on
> in our room, and it
> was MUGGY, so needless to say, we blew up out air
> mattress, and camped
> out in the kitty room.  I don't think they knew what
> to do!
> 
> Here's "Mommy and Daddy" laying on the floor in
> there room.
> 
> But alas, after about an hour or so of curious pokes
> and prods, everyone
> finally calmed down and we all got good nights
> sleep.  Double YAY!!
> 
>  
> 
> Beckie
> 
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Re: My little Moe man.

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, 
I just realized ,because I was forgetting both Miles
and Moe are FeLV+. I forgot that Miles was also FeLV+.
It is Holly who is negative...My heart goes out to all
you guys. It is a long hard road we are on. Your
kitties are so lucky to have you guys! Later, Glenda
--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for the responses.  I had them do blood work
> on him, and its
> fine, he's eating like a cow, and drinking like a
> camel.
> 
> Something that I discovered today is that it's NOT
> him going to the
> bathroom in the kitchen; it's our OTHER FLV+ cat,
> Miles.  Now Miles is
> about 4 years old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and
> drinks, plays, etc.
> I HAVE noticed that last couple of weeks though he's
> been being REALLY
> affectionate, and I haven't been able to spend as
> much time with him and
> Holly (our 5 year old cat who does NOT have felv) 
> as I usually do
> because I've been so busy with Moe.  Is it possible
> that Miles has
> started to use the kitchen as his own personal
> bathroom because he's
> jealous of the attention that Moe is getting and
> trying to get our
> attention?  I KNOW it's Miles, because he didn't
> hear me get up this
> morning, and Moe was lying on my pillow next to my
> head (like he
> normally does), and I got up went out to the
> kitchen, and he must not
> have heard me, because I caught him red handed doing
> his business.  I
> made loud noises, and stuff, but I don't know why
> he's doing this.  He
> has been acting kind of weird.  Like if we're in the
> bathroom taking a
> shower or using the toilet and the door is closed,
> he'll sit outside it
> and just HOWL.  Never did this until a few weeks
> ago.  I figured it was
> because he was worried about Moe, but now not so
> sure.
> 
>  
> 
> Also, how much does heat effect felv?
> 
> We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air
> conditioner, but it's going
> to get pretty warm here in the next week or so, and
> I was just wondering
> if I should turn the air on for the cats?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks again everyone.  I'm so glad I found you all!
> 
>  
> 
> Beckie 
> 
> 



   

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WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

[glenda Goodman]

Hey Guys, 
I just sent this long email to you guys and found out
I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day the
day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was a
member? I love you guys! 
Glenda


   

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Re: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, I get them via email? I do not know what the
digest is? 
Thanks, Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda,
> 
> If we have been receiving the posts, I'm assuming
> you are a member.  Are you posting through the
> digest are do you read the posts individually via
> email?
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 6:29:34 PM
> Subject: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?
> 
> 
> Hey Guys, 
> I just sent this long email to you guys and found
> out
> I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day
> the
> day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was a
> member? I love you guys! 
> Glenda
> 
> 
>
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Re: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

[glenda Goodman]

Yup, it was looong. I thought about making two out of
it , but did not want to put everyone through two of
my wordy emails, when one did cover it...
It was an OT concerning FIV, something I am not that
knowledgeable about...
THANK YOU! GLENDA
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Oh, no!  Was it so long it w kicked back?  THAT
> happens!
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 
> 
> On Aug 6, 2007, at 6:29 PM, glenda Goodman wrote:
> 
> > Hey Guys,
> > I just sent this long email to you guys and found
> out
> > I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day
> the
> > day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was
> a
> > member? I love you guys!
> > Glenda
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> Well there are two subjects here I want to get
> advice
> and support on. 
> Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
> knew
> of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
> seems
> a couple of her clients came in today and received
> the
> bad news that their two kittens had tested positive
> for FIV. She told me, the people who had the kittens
> were sisters and both very bright, educated
> gals...one
> being an attorney, even...so, obviously having good
> minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group here
> a
> visit and be interested in learning, from this very
> progressive site...I will be talking to them later
> today and try to convince them not to panic and not
> opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know of
> any rescue groups that would take these
> kittens...This
> is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet, here,
> in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
> organization they could turn these kittens over to. 
> 
>  They do have other cats that share the household.
> The
> kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
> flood me with some helpful information for these
> gals,
> so we can give them some hope for their kittens and
> make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
> they
> might be willing to sign on to this list,but if not
> I
> will at least forward them some good information
> from
> you guys...
> These two ladies are in their late twenties or early
> thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We are
> here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
> believe, with all their heart, the only real option,
> is putting positive cats down...
> Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing with
> today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
> base
> of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My son
> had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
> better than to let my kitties outside at night...but
> with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
> schedules...and keeping everyone seperated, Feeto
> had
> been locked up all day. OK, well the worst
> happened...almost the worst...THERE WAS A STRANGE
> KITTY OUTSIDE IN OUR YARD. HE WAS VERY INTENT ON
> FINDING A GOOD HOME WHERE HE MIGHT BE LOVED AND FED.
> 
> FEETO IS MY LITTLE HERO. HE TAKES CARE OF OUR YARD
> AND
> HIS KITTY FAMILY. FEETO CHASED THAT STRANGE KITTY
> AWAY. HOWEVER , BEFORE IT WAS OVER, THERE WAS A
> BATTLE. THE BATTLE GROUND WAS COVERED IN WHITE AND
> ORANGE FUR THE NEXT DAY. FEETO IS A BROWN TABBY WITH
> 24 VERY SHARP CLAWS. IT WAS OVER ALMOST BEFORE IT
> BEGAN, BUT I WAS SICK KNOWING THERE WAS NO WAY MY
> FEETO DID NOT SUFFER A BITE SOMEWHERE ON HIS BODY. A
> FEW DAYS LATER, I FOUND IT, THE BITE. FEETO'S CHEEK
> WAS ALL PUFFED UP. IT DRAINED THAT NIGHT AND THE
> NEXT
> DAY HE WAS ON ANTIBIOTICS...JUST TO BE SURE. A WEEK
> EARLIER I HAD BOUGHT A CAT TRAP AND HAD BEEN TRYING
> TO
> TRAP THE STRANGE CAT...NO LUCK UNTIL LAST NIGHT.
> WELL,
> TODAY, THE STRANGE CAT IS AT OUR LOCAL SHELTER. HE
> IS
> A PRETTY CAT , BUT THEY SAID HE IS IN WITH THE WILD
> CATS. HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. I WANT TO NAME HIM
> MARMALADE.HE DESERVES A NAME... HE HISSED AT ME LAST
> NIGHT, BUT SETTLED DOWN AFTER I TALKED, QUIETLY TO
> HIM. THEN THE POLICEMAN TOOK HIM AND HAULED HIM OFF
> TO
> THE SHELTER. I WAS TOLD THEY WILL KEEP HIM 3-DAYS.
> THEN HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. 
> I AM VERY WORRIED ABOUT MY FEETO HAVING BEEN BITTEN,
> SO I HAVE GOTTEN PERMISSION TO TAKE HIM, MARMALADE,
> IN
> TO BE TESTED FOR FeLV AND FIV. I TOLD MY FRIEND, IF
> HE
> TESTS CLEAN, IT IS VERY SAD HE WILL BE PUT DOWN, A
> BEAUTIFUL AND HEALTHY CAT...HE ONLY NEEDS A LITTLE
> TIME TO BE SOCIALIZED. WE HAVE NO OPTIONS
> ,WHATSOEVER,HERE, FOR "WILD" KITTIES. MY BRAIN WILL
> BE
> WORKING OVERTIME ON WAYS TO SAVE THIS CAT, 
> ESPECIALLY, IF HE TESTS NEGATIVE...MAYBE I CAN BUY
> HIM
> A LITTLE TIME...I DO KNOW, I PROBABLY DRIVE MY
> SHELTER
> HERE A LITTLE CRAZY, BUT OUR HEARTS ARE REALLY ALL
> IN
> THE SAME PLACE, SO WE AT LEAST DO UNDERSTAND EACH
> OTHER. WE HAVE A VERY LOVING SHELTER HERE, BUT IT IS
> ALWAYS A MATTER OF MONEY AND SPACE...
> I WILL APPRECIATE ALL FEEDBACK. 
> I GUESS MOSTLY, I NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL
> THESE
> LADIES THAT HAVE THE FIV+ KITTENS. I WILL ALSO NEED
> A
> LITTLE EDUCATING ABOUT CAT BITES AND WHAT TO EXPECT
> IF
> THIS CAT THAT BIT MY FEE

YEAH! I AM A MEMBER!

[glenda Goodman]

HI EVERYONE, 
GUESS WHAT? THE REASON MY EMAIL DID NOT GO THROUGH IS
BECAUSE MY EMAIL ADDRESS ROLLED OVER TO ANOTHER
ADDRESS I SOMETIMES USE AND THAT ADDRESS WAS NOT
RECOGNIZED. IT WENT THROUGH FAST AND FINE ON MY USUAL
EMAIL. GOSH, IT IS NICE KNOWING I AM A MEMBER! THANK
YOU FOR TRYING TO HELP ME...
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RE:WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

[glenda Goodman]

Malone, Thank you. Did you see what I did wrong? I
sent my letter under the wrong email. I'm getting
through now.  Sometimes my computer rolls over to the
old email address. Maybe that happened to you. It
sounds like you got the same message back that I
did...Appreciate your help...Glenda
--- Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda! I went through the exact same thing. I
> was getting the posts, yet
> I couldn't get anything posted for over 2 months.
> Sometimes when I send a
> message I get the same response-that the message
> will go to the moderator
> and might be posted. None of them ever were. At the
> beginning I was begging
> for help and words fail me to how upset I was that I
> couldn't get help from
> the group that seemed to know the most. I kept
> reading and I learned a great
> deal. I also kept trying to send a message and
> eventually they finally were
> posted. My advise is be persistent because this
> group is a lifeline,
> especially if you are just learning how to help your
> feline friend that has
> this hideous virus.
> 
> Malone 
> 
> 



   

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Re: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

Taylor, I am glad they are willing to keep him the
3-days, with me testing him Thursday I know they will
keep him alive and he may warm up. 
At my house right now, keeping him would be hard,
especially, if he is wild. I work a lot and my kitties
are all on schedules , because I now must divide my
time up for my  six negatives and my one positive
kitty. I have seven kitties. I do not believe in
mixing negatives and positives, even if everyone is
vaccinated...
I will see if Marmalade will give me hope that I can
get through to him. I know he might be willing to
negotiate...I felt that right after he was caught...If
he would talk to me in a sweet kitty voice, I know, he
will be telling me he is going to be trying to get
along with people.I'll visit him tomorrow.  He , has
been completely quiet with me last night, but the lady
at the shelter said, this morning he was howling at
her... They had kept him in his trap all
night...Therefore, she considered him to be "wild". We
do have three days...This town does not have any type
of feral cat people/ program.
I did just start researching FIV online and am soaking
up info. I think I first thought of you guys , because
the support here is so wonderful...and this list gives
people hope...
Thank you, Glenda  
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Glenda, if the little wild orange guy Marmalade is
> clean can you--or  
> someone else--take him?  Sometimes a cat that seems
> wild in a shelter  
> is merely scared to death, as for instance he calmed
> right down when  
> you spoke quietly to him.  Bless you for taking him
> to be tested.   
> You've done a very good deed.  If he is positive it
> does not  
> automatically mean little Feeto (WHAT a superb name!
>  I love it!)  
> will get anything OR he may get something and throw
> it off.  It's  
> much easier for an older cat's immune system to
> throw off a virus  
> than, say, a kitten given FeLV by its mother--their
> immune systems  
> are hardly fully developed so it's harder for them
> to mount an immune  
> response to invaders.
> 
> By the way, this month's Scientific American has a
> big article on how  
> cancer cells hijack the human immune system to use
> it for their ends  
> and new chemotherapy protocols in the works. 
> Extremely informative.   
> Also a great learning tool about the immune system
> of mammmals like  
> us AND kitties.
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 
> 
> On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:18 PM, glenda Goodman wrote:
> 
> >
> > --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >> Well there are two subjects here I want to get
> >> advice
> >> and support on.
> >> Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
> >> knew
> >> of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
> >> seems
> >> a couple of her clients came in today and
> received
> >> the
> >> bad news that their two kittens had tested
> positive
> >> for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
> kittens
> >> were sisters and both very bright, educated
> >> gals...one
> >> being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
> good
> >> minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
> here
> >> a
> >> visit and be interested in learning, from this
> very
> >> progressive site...I will be talking to them
> later
> >> today and try to convince them not to panic and
> not
> >> opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know
> of
> >> any rescue groups that would take these
> >> kittens...This
> >> is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
> here,
> >> in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
> >> organization they could turn these kittens over
> to.
> >>
> >>  They do have other cats that share the
> household.
> >> The
> >> kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
> >> flood me with some helpful information for these
> >> gals,
> >> so we can give them some hope for their kittens
> and
> >> make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
> >> they
> >> might be willing to sign on to this list,but if
> not
> >> I
> >> will at least forward them some good information
> >> from
> >> you guys...
&g

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

HIDEYO, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I'M FORWARDING EMAILS
TO THESE LADIES. I WILL CALL THEM IN A COUPLE DAYS TO
CHECK ON HOW THEY ARE DECIDING TO APPROACH THEIR
ISSUES...THANKS, GLENDA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I already mentioned in my last email-join FIVcats2
> yahoo group - Susan Hoffman is the moderator, I
> believe -it's a very active group.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: wendy<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> 
>   Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:57 PM
>   Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
> here...
> 
> 
>   Hi Glenda,
> 
>   I would point those ladies in the direction of an
> online FIV group.  I don't know of one specifically,
> but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo
> probably has one.  You can search for them on the
> Internet.  
> 
>   I don't know what to tell you about your situation
> with Marmalade.  It's such a shame that this
> gorgeous cat has to be put down.  Such a shame.  Is
> there not a feral group anywhere in Nebraska you can
> contact?  What about Alley Cat Allies
>
(http://www.alleycat.org/<http://www.alleycat.org/>)?
>  Can you see if there is someone who is already
> feeding a feral colony somewhere close to you (ACA
> might know of someone) who might take him in
> especially if he's negative for everything?  Here's
> a link to Feral Friends Network, through ACA:
>
http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html<http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html>
>  Here's the link to Feline Friendz in Omaha:
>
http://www.felinefriendz.org/<http://www.felinefriendz.org/>
>  Do you think you can have this cat spayed/neutered
> while he's at the vets, maybe at a discounted rate? 
> You might as well.  I would not have him put down
> though.  That just doesn't seem right.  After all,
> you said you thought he was looking for love and
> food.  It would be horrible if he found pts instead.
>  I think most kitties hiss while
>in traps b/c they are scared.  My Ensie, the one
> I brought home from NC, is doing great.  She jumps
> in my lap and purrs now.  It's so strange, when only
> less than a month ago she was freaking out in the
> cage she was trapped in.
> 
>   I would not worry too much about Feeto's bite,
> especially since he's on antibiotics AND the wound
> has already drained.  Keep an eye on the wound and
> make sure it heals up all right.  Good luck Glenda.
> 
>   :)
>   Wendy
>
>   "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
>   - Original Message 
>   From: glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>   Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 7:18:37 PM
>   Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
> here...
> 
> 
>   --- glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> 
>   > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
>   > From: glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>   > Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
>   > To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>   > 
>   > Hi Everyone,
>   > Well there are two subjects here I want to get
>   > advice
>   > and support on. 
>   > Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if
> I
>   > knew
>   > of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
>   > seems
>   > a couple of her clients came in today and
> received
>   > the
>   > bad news that their two kittens had tested
> positive
>   > for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
> kittens
>   > were sisters and both very bright, educated
>   > gals...one
>   > being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
> good
>   > minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
> here
>   > a
>   > visit and be interested in learning, from this
> very
>   > progressive site...I will be talking to them
> later
>   > today and try to convince them not to panic and
> not
>   > opt to have their kittens put down. I do not
> know of
>   > any rescue groups that would take these
>   > kittens...This
>   > is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
> here,
>   > in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a
> rescue
>   > organization they could turn these kitte

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

THANK YOU WENDY, YES, I WILL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO
CHANGE THE FATE OF MARMALADE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE
WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS IF IT WERE NOT FOR ME. IF HE
TESTS NEG. I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. WE ARE
IN THE STONE AGE HERE MENTALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO CATS.
I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE EVEN IN HAWK SPRINGS , WYO.
THERE IS A FERAL RESCUE GROUP CONSIDERING WYOMING DOES
NOT EVEN HAVE DECENT ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS. THEY ARE SO
BACKWARDS. I THINK DOG FIGHTING IS STILL LEGAL THERE?
SOMEONE MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT IF THEY ARE
WONDERING.WHEN I WAS CRUISING petfinder.com I FOUND A
SHELTER IN HAWK SPRINGS, WYOMING WITH A REALLY AMAZING
WEB-SITE. IT IS VERY ADVANCED...INTERESTING.  I WAS
ALSO VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WEB-SITE FOR SHELTERS IN
MONTANA. GO TO montanapets.org
IT IS BEAUTIFULLY ORGANIZED. IT LETS YOU CLICK ALL THE
SHELTERS IN THE STATE. EVERY STATE SHOULD BE SET UP
LIKE THAT. IT MAKES COMMUNICATING and COOPERATION
BETWEEN SHELTERS SO EASY ...WELL, ENOUGH OF THE
CHATTER. I"M OFF TO BED. THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYONE,
FOR YOUR HELP. GLENDA
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda,
> 
> I would point those ladies in the direction of an
> online FIV group.  I don't know of one specifically,
> but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo
> probably has one.  You can search for them on the
> Internet.  
> 
> I don't know what to tell you about your situation
> with Marmalade.  It's such a shame that this
> gorgeous cat has to be put down.  Such a shame.  Is
> there not a feral group anywhere in Nebraska you can
> contact?  What about Alley Cat Allies
> (http://www.alleycat.org/)?  Can you see if there is
> someone who is already feeding a feral colony
> somewhere close to you (ACA might know of someone)
> who might take him in especially if he's negative
> for everything?  Here's a link to Feral Friends
> Network, through ACA:
> http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html  Here's
> the link to Feline Friendz in Omaha:
> http://www.felinefriendz.org/  Do you think you can
> have this cat spayed/neutered while he's at the
> vets, maybe at a discounted rate?  You might as
> well.  I would not have him put down though.  That
> just doesn't seem right.  After all, you said you
> thought he was looking for love and food.  It would
> be horrible if he found pts instead.  I think most
> kitties hiss while
>  in traps b/c they are scared.  My Ensie, the one I
> brought home from NC, is doing great.  She jumps in
> my lap and purrs now.  It's so strange, when only
> less than a month ago she was freaking out in the
> cage she was trapped in.
> 
> I would not worry too much about Feeto's bite,
> especially since he's on antibiotics AND the wound
> has already drained.  Keep an eye on the wound and
> make sure it heals up all right.  Good luck Glenda.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 7:18:37 PM
> Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> 
> 
> --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Well there are two subjects here I want to get
> > advice
> > and support on. 
> > Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
> > knew
> > of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
> > seems
> > a couple of her clients came in today and received
> > the
> > bad news that their two kittens had tested
> positive
> > for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
> kittens
> > were sisters and both very bright, educated
> > gals...one
> > being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
> good
> > minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
> here
> > a
> > visit and be interested in learning, from this
> very
> > progressive site...I will be talking to them later
> > today and try to convince them not to panic and
> not
> > opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know
> of
> > any rescue groups that would take these
> > kittens...This
> > is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
> here,
> > in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
> > organization they could turn these kittens over
> to. 
> > 
> >  They do have other 

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Marylyn, 
At this point I am dealing with, what I believe, is a
very determined , aggressive kitty, desperately
seeking a 'good' home. What makes me say this is, my
best friend down the street, was also affected by
Marmalade. She has one kitty, Addey, whom is like an
obsession to her, and this is putting it mildly...
Addey is her only cat, because Addey controls the
home. Otherwise, my friend would have at least one
more cat...Anyway, Addey is allowed outside.My friend
has a beautiful yard/home and there is a lovely ravene
area behind my friend's house, where Addey likes to
hunt...My friend will not deprive her of her joys in
life and I have begged my friend to please not allow
Addey out after dark, advice like that...We do have
foxes, etc.
 Well, Marmalade would make the rounds between my
friend's house and mine. We are less than a block
apart. Marmalade was being very aggressive with Addey
too and there were howling matches during the day and
evening, but I do not believe any violent contacts. I
had heard it is rare for a male cat to be so
aggressive with a female...I do not doubt it was just
a matter of time before Marmalade would have had a
physical conflict with Addey. 
It would take a huge adjustment with my cats and the
other cats in the neighborhood to welcome Marmalade. I
know once a kitty feels secure, there would be no
competition and of course, after being neutered, that
would probably do the trick. If I had fewer of my own
cats and the time to put in a rehabiliation project
like this, I would do it, because it would, along with
everything else, be very interesting. I am only hoping
right now, these couple of days at the shelter, settle
Marmalade down and perhaps there is a different side
to him. I'll be visiting him today and talking to the
shelter people. Thursday morning is the FeLV/FIV test.
My old vet, who is only a few blocks from the shelter,
will be testing him and during the physical handling
of Marmalade he can also give me his opinion. I'm sure
he will love testing him...I do not think it will be
fun for him...my vet. We shall see? 
I do appreciate the sensitivity and caring nature of
everyone here. I so completely understand, because I
feel the same way...Thank you, Glenda  
--- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can you let Marmalade be your cat too?  Little
> ferals make the most 
> wonderful friends and he would love to work for you
> and live with you.  It 
> sounds as though he has learned who the boss cat is.
>  Dixie has some cats 
> that report to her.  We live on a farm and she is an
> inside cat, having 
> carefully worked her way into my heart the way
> Marmalade is trying to work 
> into yours.  There are cats, one particular here,
> that hangs out and helps 
> with the varmint chores outside.  Mom has three that
> hang out at her house 
> and she hasn't had a mouse in over 11 years.  A
> shelter and food go a long 
> way toward taming a cat.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  If
> you have men who will 
> exclude any of God's creatures
> 
> from the shelter of 
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
> 
> will deal likewise with 
> their fellow man.
> 
>  St. 
> Francis
> - Original Message - 
> From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
> here...
> 
> 
> > THANK YOU WENDY, YES, I WILL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF
> TO
> > CHANGE THE FATE OF MARMALADE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE
> > WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS IF IT WERE NOT FOR ME. IF
> HE
> > TESTS NEG. I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. WE
> ARE
> > IN THE STONE AGE HERE MENTALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO
> CATS.
> > I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE EVEN IN HAWK SPRINGS , WYO.
> > THERE IS A FERAL RESCUE GROUP CONSIDERING WYOMING
> DOES
> > NOT EVEN HAVE DECENT ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS. THEY ARE
> SO
> > BACKWARDS. I THINK DOG FIGHTING IS STILL LEGAL
> THERE?
> > SOMEONE MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT IF THEY ARE
> > WONDERING.WHEN I WAS CRUISING petfinder.com I
> FOUND A
> > SHELTER IN HAWK SPRINGS, WYOMING WITH A REALLY
> AMAZING
> > WEB-SITE. IT IS VERY ADVANCED...INTERESTING.  I
> WAS
> > ALSO VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WEB-SITE FOR SHELTERS
> IN
> > MONTANA. GO TO montanapets.org
> > IT IS BEAUTIFULLY ORGANIZED. IT LETS YOU CLICK ALL
> THE
> > SHELTERS IN THE STATE. EVERY STATE SHOULD BE SET
> UP
> > LIKE THAT. IT MAKES COMMUNICATING and COOPERATION
> > BETWEEN SHELTERS SO EASY ...WELL, ENOUGH OF THE
> > CHATTER. I"M O

Re: FIV infected kittes

[glenda Goodman]

NINA, EXCELLENT LETTER! I"M FORWARDING THIS TO THE
GALS WITH THE FIV+ KITTENS. THEY REALLY NEED THIS
PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH! GLENDA
--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Group,
> I just saw that someone was asking for help with an
> fiv tested kitten.  
> The following is a post I archived from a trusted
> list member, (MC) 
> about this subject:
> 
>  > there is essentially no such thing as an FIV
> positive kittens.
> maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is
> still not even
> considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with
> an infected mom
> will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of
> her
> system--between 6-10 months.
> 
> no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats
> will take a cat
> without a positive western blot test, as the snap
> test is only about
> 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten
> is old enough for
> mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test
> positive, but it won't
> mean anything.
> 
> i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the
> cat ever gets out
> and into the shelter system, he will test positve
> (not maybe,
> DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and
> someone actually checks
> his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances
> of living long
> enough to be found by you is slim to none.
> 
> almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING
> WOUNDS--the sort that
> boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's
> why a high
> percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls
> who have it probably
> getting it during rough sex.
> 
> once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire
> to be that
> aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain
> aggressive, filing down
> or even removing the canine teeth makes it
> impossible for him to bite
> deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats,
> once neutered, seem
> to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy,
> very cuddly couch
> potatoes.
> 
> at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended
> up becoming
> forever cats of the volunteers, because they were
> just such
> sweethearts.
> 
> i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid
> flamepoint himmie
> who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz
> there's NO way he would
> have initiated an argument on his own, and an
> adolescent coonie. FIV
> cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher
> incidence of herpes
> infections (easily kept in check with the addition
> of lysine), and a
> tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick
> just like normal
> cats, and they get better when treated in a timely
> manner, just like
> normal cats!
> 
> as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the
> virus, not from it.
> 
> it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's
> spread, and how it
> manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the
> sanctuary director thinks
> that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only
> consistent symptoms of
> FIV.)
> 
> here are two of the better articles on FIV:
> http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html
>
http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm
> 
> MC
> -- 
> MaryChristine
> 
> AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: NEW vaccination protocols announced today

[glenda Goodman]

 JANE, THANK YOU! 
HOW EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS NEW INFORMATION.
ASK ME WHY I LOVE THIS SITE AND ALL YOU GUYS...GLENDA
--- Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> >
> This information was released today. Because yearly
> vaccinations are  
> the primary source of income for many
> veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical
> companies have  
> lobbied against this protocol, this has
> been a long time coming. This version is a
> compromise, but  
> nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and
> of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged.
> There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do
> not vaccinate for  
> Feline Leukemia because of ineffective
> results and sometimes lethal consequences.
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being 
> adopted by ALL 27 North
> > American veterinary schools.  I highly  recommend
> that you read
> > this.  Copy and save it to your  files.  Print it
> and pass it out at
> > dog fairs, cat shows, kennel  club meetings, dog
> parks, give a copy
> > to your veterinarian and  groomer, etc.
> >
> > Get the word out. 
> >
> > VACCINATION NEWS  FLASH
> >
> > I would like to make you aware that all 27
> veterinary  schools in
> > North America are in the process of changing their
>  protocols for
> > vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this
> information will  present an
> > ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there
> will be  skeptics.
> >
> > Some organizations have come up with a political 
> compromise
> > suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease
> those who  fear loss
> > of income vs. those concerned about potential side
> > effects.  Politics, traditions, or the doctor's
> economic well being
> > should not  be a factor in medical decision.
> >
> > NEW PRINCIPLES OF  IMMUNOLOGY
> > "Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 
> months.  If a
> > modified live virus vaccine is given after 6
> months  of age, it
> > produces an immunity which is good for the life of
> the pet  (ie:
> > canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper).  If
> another MLV  vaccine
> > is given a year later, the antibodies from the
> first
> > vaccine  neutralize the antigens of the second
> vaccine, and there is
> > little or  no effect. The titer is not "boosted"
> nor are more memory
> > cells  induced." Not only are annual boosters for
> parvo and
> > distemper  unnecessary, they subject the pet to
> potential risks of
> > allergic  reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic
> anemia.  "There is
> > no  scientific documentation to back up label
> claims for
> > annual  administration of MLV vaccines."  Puppies
> receive
> > antibodies  through their mothers milk.  This
> natural protection can
> > last  8-14 weeks.
> >
> > Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at 
> LESS than 8
> > weeks.  Maternal immunity will neutralize the 
> vaccine, and little
> > protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination 
> at 6 weeks will,
> > however, delay the timing of the first highly 
> effective
> > vaccine.  Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart
> suppress  rather than
> > stimulate the immune system.  A series of 
> vaccinations is given
> > starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up 
> to 16 weeks of
> > age.  Another vaccination given sometime after 6 
> months of age
> > (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime 
> immunity.
> >
> >
> >   CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR  DOGS
> > Distemper & Parvo
> > "According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA,  8-15-95, when a
> vaccinations series
> > given at 2, 3 & 4 months and  again at 1 year with
> a MLV, puppies and
> > kitten program memory cells  that survive for
> life, providing
> > lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at  Cornell and
> Dr. Schultz have
> > studies showing immunity against  challenge at
> 2-10 years for canine
> > distemper & 4 years for  parvovirus. Studies for
> longer duration are
> > pending.  "There are  no new strains of parvovirus
> as one mfg. would
> > like to suggest.   Parvovirus vaccination provides
> cross immunity for
> > all types."   Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the
> agents known to be
> > a cause of  kennel cough.  Only vaccines with
> CAV-2 should be used as
> > CAV-1  vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis
> blue-eye" reactions &
> > kidney  damage.
> >
> > Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel 
> cough" Recommended
> > only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog
>  shows, or for any
> > reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The 
> intranasal vaccine
> > provides more complete and more rapid onset of 
> immunity with less
> > chance of reaction.  Immunity requires 72  hours,
> and does not
> > protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity
>  is of short
> > duration (4 to 6 months).
> >
> >   RABIES
> > There  have been no reported cases of rabid dogs
> or cats in
> > Harris,  Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas],
> there have been
> > rabid skunks  and bats so the potential exists. It
> is a killed
> > va

Re: Sammy's fever is 106!

[glenda Goodman]

Taylor and Sammy, My heart is with you guys. Glenda 
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal
> 911 because when I  
> took his temperature this evening it was 106.  He
> had been hiding  
> yesterday morning and then staying in my mom's room
> and not following  
> me and/or his brothers around all day.  So he's
> staying the night and  
> I'll pick him up for another blood transfusion at
> Animal Emergency in  
> 5-1/2 hours.  I just got home from Animal 911. 
> Little one needs  
> prayers.
> 
> Nitie Nite,
> 
> Tee
> 
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat

[glenda Goodman]

Such a good story...It is so wonderful to see the
improvements like this. Good luck at the vet's. Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-

Thanks Susan.  My mom and I both work and I don't live
with her, so we do the best we can with feeding her. 
She has already stopped eating like a fiend and she
will stop when she gets full.  The only way we have
gotten her to eat crunchies is by putting them in the
bowl with the wet food.  She will eat the wet food
first and then later, snack on the crunchies.  I
started her on Wellness Kitten wet food last night
(per Tad's suggestion)-- I knew that- that it's high
calorie!  It's just in the heat of the moment, I guess
you forget these things, so it's nice to have people
to remind you.  I also started her on Wellness dry
crunchies (she was just eating regular adult
Wellness).  

I am worried about her liver function, but I have her
on Nutrical (since Sunday), so hopefully, we have
staved off a problem there, but I guess we will find
out.  We are taking her to a vet tomorrow.  

She is still showing the third eyelid a lot, but the
weepy eyes are much improved and in fact, when I
treated them with Terramycin last night, I did not see
any green discharge.  

She has not thrown up at all, so she's definitely not
gorging herself.  Last night, when my mom and I were
visiting her, she drank water for the first time in
front of us and she drank A TON!  

She is so much more perky too.  She seems so happy--
she purrs and kneads all the time.  And a good sign-
even if it makes my job a little harder- when I go to
treat her eyes or hold her, she's started squirming
and she even got away from me one time.  So clearly,
she is getting her strength back to some extent. 
She's even broke into a little jog to go see my mom
when she came in the room (and she was NOT doing that
when we first brought her in).  She loves the a/c more
than any cat I have seen and she "watches" the TV that
we leave on for her.

I put a "found cat" ad on Craigslist yesterday, but
haven't heard anything yet.  It will take me a while
to get to the other websites to list her.  The focus
now is rehabilitating her.

Thanks for your insight!

Caroline  



-
From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: 
Subject: Re: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:15:07 -0500

When cats are severly emaciated, it is best to give
them several "small" meals per day, as opposed to
allowing any free feeding.
 
This keeps them from getting sick.
 
I would have a complete blood panel done, also, to
verify that her liver / kidneys are functioning ok.
 
Thanks for saving her, Caroline, and thank your mom
too.
 
You probably got her right in the nick of time.
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in
state,
   Faithful Bast at
her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of
soft applause,
   Ever guarding with
sharpened claws."
 Trajan
Tennent
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat


I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired
female that was clearly a house-cat that had been
hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3
weeks.  My mom had told the neighbor across the street
that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know
what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did
not have a home (you know how it goes!).  I took one
look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd
already been outside too long.  She had a collar on
with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by
the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar
off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck) the vet's was
closed.  My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come
Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back.  On Mon., she
drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of
business!!!  We were hoping to match up the rabies tag
number with the owner, however, my mom is really
skittish about actually finding the owner because
there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's
no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH
bad shape when we found her...?  Also, my mom says the
vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is
"not a good one," so she is reluctant to just
immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the
owners- which at this point, is not looking promising
anyway.  
 
We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought
we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to
work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in
with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted
price.  When

Re: OT: Adam's recovery

[glenda Goodman]

Thanks Susan! This is great! Thanks too for
remembering the little guy. I guess his destiny is to
help other little critters like himself from the bad
people out there. 
His Catster page is really sweet!
 Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> http://www1. pressdemocrat. com/apps/ pbcs.dll/
> section?Category
>
=MEDIA&bcpid=770169275&bclid=769393745&bctid=458181
> 
> http://www.forgotte nfelines. com/v4/adam_
> updates.shtml
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
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OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

[glenda Goodman]

Hello everyone,
Several of you here know my story about trapping an
orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
trap. The cat was then transported to our local
shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
he became the property of the county shelter...He was
trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
call the officer...
The shelter decided Monday morning he was a
wild"feral" cat and told me he was put in with the
wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did
say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came
forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see
the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could
not see him. I asked if I could take him to be
tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I
made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I
could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day
waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday
morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him ,
see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of
wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker
,because he was in the wild kitty section, I  was not
allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they
were worried about liability...I tried to understand
their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn
in their behind, because at least they had given me
permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning.
I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at
9:00am. I was using the same vet they use...
Last night I was heading down to the shelter after
work and had decided to bring up some points about if
this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I
decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had
an investment in the cat and if the cat were
young...looked under three years old...was there maybe
someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with
a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like
that...I called my friend on the way home and decided
one more day would not hurt that much and at least
after the test I'd have one important plus to work
with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend
to rattle people enough as it is...
Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my
phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi
Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you.  If you
get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise
call me in the morning...I got the message after 
9:00pm.
Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to
conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and
they will tell me he tested neg. 
I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of
the story in the morning...
The fact the beginning of the story is a story in
itself, should hold everyone until morning...I
seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd
like to know what they do with ferals after they are
caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat
people in other neighboring areas to see what type of
programs they have...Thanks for reading this.
Glenda


  

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Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

[glenda Goodman]

--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> HELLO EVERYONE, 
> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> THE
> WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> NOW. 
> I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> HAPPENED:  
> WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
> PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
> THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> SECTION...I
> GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> 
> EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> UPSET
> WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> AFRAID
> TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
> IN
> A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> NIGHT
> MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
> 
> THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO LOVE
> AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
> RELATIONSHIP,
> TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE TOOK
> MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
> STREET,
> TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
> MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
> TEST
> WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
> CAT
> TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
> NOTICED
> A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
> MIGHT
> TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
> POSITIVE! 
> 
> I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
> HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
> HE
> WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
> YOUNG
> LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE I"M
> COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO A
> SOLUTION SOMEHOW. SHE IS A VERY GOOD PERSON AND LIKE
> THE REST OF US ,BUT WITH A VERY HARD JOB...THE GAL,
> A
> WORKER AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TOLD ME EVERYONE FELT
> SICK YESTERDAY AFTER THIS HAPPENED. 
> 
> WE ALL HAVE SUCH A LONG WAY TO GO TO MASTER THE
> PERFECT WAYS TO PROTECT OUR ANIMALS. IT REALLY IS
> JUST
> SUCH A HARD WORLD...I THINK EVERYONE OF US COULD
> JUST
> CRY OUR EYES OUT ALL DAY LONG FOR ALL THE SADNESS IN
> THE WORLD. I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH! 
> 
> I WILL BE TALKING WITH A COUPLE OF THESE FERAL CAT
> ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET SOMETHING
> STARTED HERE. 
> THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TALKING TO DEB, OUR HS
> DIRECTOR HERE, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT LIKE THE TNR
> PROGRAMS THAT MUCH. I PERSONALLY, COULD ONLY AGREE
> WITH SUCH PROGRAMS IF ALL THE CATS WERE DISEASE FREE
> AND VERY WELL CARED FOR...THAT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE
> WILLING TO BE VERY INVOLVED. 
> I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVED IN MAUI, HAWAII FOR CLOSE
> TO
> FIVE YEARS , 2001-2005.  I WAS ON THE BOARD OF THEIR
> HUMANE SOCIETY FOR ROUGHLY A YEAR + AND I BECAME
> AWARE
> OF THE FERAL CAT SITUATION THERE, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
> I
> HAD FRIENDS INVOLVED WHO WERE SO SELFLESS, SO
> DEDICATED...THERE IS HUGE SUPPORT THERE FOR SUCH
> PROGRAMS...SADLY, ALL FREE ROAMING CATS ARE HARD ON
> BIRDS...SOMETHING TO CONSIDER...IT IS JUST A MATTER
> OF
> SPAYING/NEUTERING. WITH ALL THE PEOPLE WORKING SO
> HARD
> I CANNOT IMAGINE AN END TO THE PROBLEM,BUT THEY ARE
> PUTTING A DENT IF ONLY TO KEEP THE POPULATIONS IN
> CHECK...
> I'M OFF TO MY JOB. I FEEL A LITTLE BETTER HAVING YOU
> GUYS OUT THERE TO TALK TO. IF I DECIDE TO START UP A
> PROGRAM HERE BY TRYING TO GATHER PEOPLE WILLING TO
> GET
> INVOLVED, IT WILL BE CALLED "MARMALADE'S WILD KITTY
> ORGANIZATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I SERIOUSLY FEEL
> HE
> WAS A SPECIAL CAT...BUT AREN'T THEY ALL? 
>  I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED SOMETHING BAD NEEDS TO BRING
> SOMETHING GOOD IN IT'S PLACE.
> FOR ALL OF YOU OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LOST
> ON MY STORY HERE, THE REASON I WANTED THIS CAT
> TESTED,
> IN THE FIRST PLACE, WAS BECAUSE HE TANGLED WITH MY
> ADORED KITTY, FEETO. FEETO GOT BIT ON HIS FACE ABOUT
> 8-DAYS AGO WHILE THIS CAT WAS CHECKING OUR HOME OUT
> AS
> A PROSPECT FOR A GOOD LIFE. FEETO HAD JUST RAN
> OUTSIDE
> TO THE BASE OF OUR FRONT STEP.
> MARMALADE,  ALSO, SPENT TIME AT MY FRIEND'S DOWN THE
> STREET...HE JUST SHOWED UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A
> COUPLE WEEKS AGO.I DID ADMIRE THE INTELLIGENCE OF
> THIS
> CAT FOR THE WAY HE THOUGHT AND I RESPECT A SURVIVOR.
> HE WAS BEAUTIFUL TOO, WITH HUGE WHITE FEET. I LOVE
> KITTY FEET!  I STILL PICTURE HIM...HE DID MAKE AN
> IMPRESSION ON ME. 
> THANK YOU GUYS...LATER, GLENDA 
>  
> 
> 
>  
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RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

[glenda Goodman]

NINA, I WANT TO ANSWER YOU QUICKLY HERE. I BROUGHT MY
CAT TRAP DOWN TO MY FRIENDS. THE CAT WAS TRAPPED IN
HER YARD . SHE CALLED ME SUNDAY EVENING TO TELL ME HE
HAD BEEN TRAPPED. I WAS ON MY WAY, A SHORT WALK TO HER
HOUSE TO PICK THE CAT UP. I PLANNED TO TAKE HIM IN IN
THE MORNING WHEN THE HUMANE SOCIETY WAS OPENED. THE
CAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO SPEND THE ENTIRE NIGHT IN MY
TRAP THAT WAY. WELL, IN OUR TOWN IF IT IS AFTER HOURS
AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY IS CLOSED YOU CALL THE POLICE
DEPT. THEY WILL PICK UP THE ANIMAL AND RELEASE IT INTO
A MORE COMFORTABLE SETTING...MY FRIEND AND I DECIDED
TO HAVE THE CAT PICKED UP. I PLANNED TO DEAL WITH IT
IN THE MORNING...THEN WAS TOLD THE CAT WAS A
FERAL...LIKE BEYOND HOPE...GETTING THIS CAT TESTED
,BECAUSE I REALLY NEEDED TO KNOW IT'S HEALTH STATIS
,BECAUSE MY CAT HAD FOUGHT WITH IT WAS STEP ONE. AFTER
THAT, AFTER LEARNING IF IT WERE DISEASE FREE WOULD BE
STEP TWO. I WOULD TAKE IT UNDER MY WING , SOMEHOW, GET
IT NEUTERED...ALL THIS IF MY VET TOLD ME IT WERE
REASONABLY YOUNG. I FELT LIKE THIS CAT COULD HAVE A
FUTURE. WITH MY PERSONAL SITUATION RIGHT NOW, I HAVE
THREE CAT SITUATIONS GOING ON AT MY HOUSE. MY FOUR BIG
BOYS, MY GIRL BOY KITTENS, AND MY FeLV+ LITTLE GIRL.
THROWING IN A WILD AND WOOLY FERAL TO TAME DOWN WOULD
HAVE REALLY STRETCHED ME THIN...EVERYONE GETS A SHIFT
RIGHT NOW> THREE SHIFTS WOULD HAVE TURNED INTO FOUR. I
DO NOT MIX MY GROUPS...I STILL WOULD HAVE BUSTED MY
BUTT TO SAVE THIS GUY, WHOM I NAMED MARMALADE. YOU
HAVE READ MY RECENT POSTS ,BUT MY EARLY ONE'S YOU HAVE
MISSED ,SO OF COURSE  YOU ARE A BIT LOST. I PROBABLY
SOUND LIKE A NUT...SORRY... THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK
TO ME ON THIS. I DID HAVE PLAN A, B, AND C DOWN FOR
THIS CAT...BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL
DESERVES TO HAVE SOMEONE LOOKING OUT FOR HIM. I HAD
EVERY INTENTION OF LOOKING OUT FOR THIS LITTLE GUY,
BUT I TOTALLY SCREWED UP! I AM SO VERY SORRY! I SHOULD
HAVE KEPT HIM OVER NIGHT TO START WITH. I JUST FELT,
WITH MY REASONABLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MY LOCAL
SHELTER, I COULD GET ON TOP OF THINGS THAT NEXT
MORNING AND WOULD  ALSO HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE HANDS
ON OF OUR SHELTER PEOPLE HERE. I FIGURED I'D GET SOME
OPINIONS... I DID NOT BELIEVE HE WAS A FERAL CAT WHEN
HE WAS TAKEN IN. HE WAS TOO PRETTY AND QUIET.HE WAS
ALSO RIGHT IN OUR YARDS...THE BASE OF MY FRONT STEP
THAT NIGHT HE AND MY CAT FOUGHT. BESIDES,   I HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, BY MY FRIENDS INVOLVED WITH FERALS, 
ONE WAY YOU CAN TELL A FERAL FROM A DOMESTIC, IS
FERALS GO CRAZY IN TRAPS AND SCREAM THEIR HEADS OFF,
DOMESTICS ARE USUALLY QUIET. THIS GUY WAS VERY CALM
AFTER I BEGAN TALKING TO HIM. 
AFTER THIS LETTER I WILL BE OFF THIS SUBJECT, BUT
ANYONE OUT THERE, WHO HAS ANY INSIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT,
PLEASE WRITE TO ME, BECAUSE I FEEL WE CAN ALL LEARN
FROM EACH ONE OF  OUR OWN SCREWUPS :ONE OF THE
BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THIS SITE.
THANK YOU, GLENDA 
--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well this sounds like a very costly lesson for you,
> your friend, but esp for Marmalade.  There are some
> details missing from the story and I'm a bit
> confused.  Why, if you were interested in helping
> this cat did you and your friend decide to call
> animal control in the first place?  What did you
> think was going to happen when you told them you had
> a feral cat in a trap and asked them to come and get
> it?  An owner relinquished cat has very little
> chance of making it out alive from a kill "shelter",
> esp during kitten season when there are so many
> looking for homes, a feral cat has even less of a
> chance.  I would pray that since you have made it so
> clear to the staff at the shelter that you want to
> help this cat that they would take pity on him and
> release him to you, but I doubt that is going to
> happen unless you come up with some sort of
> subterfuge, or get very, very insistent.  It may
> already be too late.  If it were me and I was ready
> to make a life-long commitment to Marmalade, I'd
> find someone from my neighborhood that hasn't
> already been involved to go with me to the shelter
> and claim that Marmalade belongs to them.  I'd tell
> them that I found out that he is an "outside cat"
> and here's his owner.  There will be fines to pay,
> and they may still refuse to let you have him, but
> at this point it's probably your best chance of
> saving his life.
> 
> I can tell from the few previous posts I've read
> from you that you are a caring person and would not
> have set all this in motion if you had known your
> shelter's policies.  Perhaps this experience will
> turn you into an advocate for feral and stray cats
> and in Marmalade's name you will save others from a
> similar experience.  Please educate yourself on TNR
> and other things you can do to champion the cause of
> feral/stray cats.  I don't know the sort of person
> you are, but if you are really willing to get
> involved you can turn your frustration over this
> into a benefit by working to change your local
> shelter's policies.  Some of our most imp

Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...I am unsubscribing the list

[glenda Goodman]

HI MY DEAR HIDEYO, I AM SO SORRY MY TELLING YOU ALL
THIS HAS MAD SO MANY PEOPLE SAD. I AM ESPECIALLY SORRY
TO HAVE HURT YOU. PLEASE READ MY POST TO NINA. WE ARE
ALL HERE TO LEARN AND HELP EACH OTHER HELP OUR
ANIMALS. YOU HAVE BEEN SO WONDERFUL AND SO VALUABLE.
YOU HAVE GIVEN ME SOME OF MY VERY BEST INFORMATION.
YOU MAY HAVE SAVED THOSE LITTLE FIV POSITIVE KITTES
FROM BEING PUT DOWN . YOUR POST WAS VERY POWERFUL. I
FORWARDED IT TO THE TWO LADIES WITH THOSE KITTENS...AS
WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER VERY CONVINCING POSTS FROM
OTHERS HERE. I HAVE ALREADY CRIED SEVERAL TIMES
READING THESE POSTS HERE . I AM CRYING NOW. ONE THING
WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE ON, IS OUR ANIMALS ARE
PRECIOUS...HUMANS HAVE SO FAR TO GO. I ALWAYS SAY: I
WISH I COULD LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE
TO NEVER EXPLOIT OUR OTHER CREATURES, EXAMPLE , WE
NEED TO QUIT EATING ANYTHING WITH A FACE! MAYBE I AM A
BIT RADICAL < BUT I THINK MOST OF US HERE ARE ,ALL IN
OUR OWN WAY OR AT LEAST WE MIGHT SEEM TO BE IN ONE
ANOTHER'S OPINIONS.  I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS
LETTER FAST, NEED TO HEAD FOR WORK...MAYBE I'M NOT
MAKING A LOT OF SENSE TO SOME OUT THERE, BUT I DO FEEL
WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE , BECAUSE WE ALL CARE
DEEPLY! I SEND YOU MY LOVE AND MY HEART HIDEYO. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR HELP WHEN I NEEDED HELP.
 GLENDA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is just horrible! I am sorry but I just don't
> understand why you even took him to the pound
> anyway. That's the studiest thing I ever heard!! (I
> am sorry - but I am just too upset about this
> situation) -- 
> Sometimes people may have a good intention, but just
> not good enough - a precious litel life is taken
> away from our ignorance -
> This just did it for me - I am going to unsubscribe
> the list - I cannot keep reading these posts. I wish
> I were stronger.  I wanted to help people who need a
> help and wanted to share my experience.   I can't
> stop crying to find out what happened to marmalade
> -- I hope whoever was involved in the lose of
> marmalade will learn a precious lesson and not to
> let her death in vain -
> 
> But don't ever ever take feral to the pound -- I am
> so angry!! What were you thinking!!!?
> If you don't know what you are doing,, please know,
> sometimes, things are better untouched -- especially
> with feral kitties.
> 
> I wish you all good luck, thank you those who
> suppored me when I needed it.
> 
> Dear mamalade,
> Please forgive our ignorance and what we did to you
> - may your soul rest peace now, may your soul come
> back to have a longer and happier life - I am so
> very sorry,, I wish I could have done something to
> take you away before they did anything to you..
> The meantime, to honor your soul, I am going to name
> my little feral orange kitty whom I rescued a week
> ago, and who is now living with me, after you,
> Marmalade.
> 
> my deepest love and hugs to you, precious little
> sould, marmalade..
> 
> 
> Hideyo
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: glenda
> Goodman<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:01 AM
>   Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> 
> 
> 
>   --- glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> 
>   > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
>   > From: glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>   > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
>   > To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>   > 
>   > HELLO EVERYONE, 
>   > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND
> SUPPORT.
>   > THE
>   > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
>   > NOW. 
>   > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
>   > HAPPENED:  
>   > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
> HIS
>   > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
> DOWN
>   > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED
> EVERYONE
>   > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
>   > SECTION...I
>   > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
>   > 
>   > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
>   > UPSET
>   > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
>   > AFRAID
>   > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
> IT
>   > IN
>   > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
>   > NIGHT
>   > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE
> HAPPENED. 
>   > 
>   > THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO
> LOVE
>   > AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A

Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

[glenda Goodman]

Heather,
 What a beautiful, sweet letter.Thank you for your
kindness and your personal story...
 What all this has done to me is make me determined to
do my small part to call attention to some issues here
in my little twin  towns of Scottsbluff and Gering,
Nebraska.
I will be writing  a letter to the editor of our local
paper. I will be addressing, our pathetic, lack of a
system, protecting homeless cats. Not all homeless
cats are wild , so the subject of my letter will not
be  the feral issue.It will be the homeless, neglected
animal issue all towns have... I will never know if
Marmalade was a wild 'feral" cat or a very frightened,
misplaced, lost cat. He was not given a chance. 
I have been sick all day, feeling such a terrible loss
of a cat I will never get to know, because someone was
doing their job, just too fast and thoughtlessly. I
blame myself most of all for taking a short cut...It
was easier turning the cat over for the night. I
thought easier on the cat too...My mistake...
 I do appreciate Nina's letter and even though I want
to give the local shelter people here the benefit of
doubt, I do not trust most people in general, who do
the job of disposing of little lives. Many get too
hardened and are too automatic...There are probably
some who even enjoy it? The way the system is set up,
like they say, someone has to do it...BUT WHY...I
could never understand WHY.Why does anyone HAVE to do
it? 
 I Do not believe in breeding animals . I believe, if
by accident, a litter of animals comes forth in the
world the people caring for those animals should pay
large taxes and or fines...The reproduction of
companion animals should be very strictly
regulated.Breeding companion animals should never
profit anyone. Having a companion animal should be a
privilage and as valuable as having a  priceless jewel
...If dogs and cats were as rare as diamonds, they
would be more valued. They would be respected and
treated the way they deserve to be treated. The
production of diamonds is regulated to keep them
rare...thus, keeping them valuable and prized by
humans.The same principals should apply to animals.
Humans, in general, certainly have proved they do not
deserve the blessing of having little animal friends
:Just a thought...It is not working the way things are
now other than like everything else feeding the
economy...  
 Our shelters are like waste receptacles. They clean
up people's messes, greed, ugliness, mistakes,
heartaches, inadequacies...All the many reasons people
seek to have an animal and fail that animal is the
sewer of what our shelters are.  The end product of
our shelters is everything wrong with people. 
Our laws are awful...We each can feel so helpless and
yet so well intentioned, but what we are up against is
huge. 
About six ago a friend called me to tell me she had
found a small kitten in her aunt's yard. She told me
the kitten was sick with matted eyes...It was a
Saturday night. She said if I did not come quickly to
get it she would have to call a policeman to pick it
up.She lives in Scottsbluff; I live in Gering. We have
seperate police departments ,but both towns use the
same shelter. I went across town to get the kitten. It
was around 9:30 pm. I took it to a friend's, along
with supplies for the night. I tried to clean the
kitten up and feed it. This kitten was very sick. I
guess it was distemper? I had three kittens at my own
house, two with only the first vaccination and my 
FeLV+ kitten, so did not want to care for the kitten
in my own home...Early the next morning I was back
working on the kitten, trying to get food, water, and
antibiotics down him.It was then I discovered his eyes
were both ruptured...I found out this can happen if an
infection is not treated properly and is allowed to
continue... That sent me over the edge...I had no
place to go , had imposed enough on my friend...After
my friend's, had sat for several hours with the kitten
in a park by my houseThis, until a neighborhood
cat wandered up. I then left for fear of that cat
contracting, whatever it was affecting the kitten. I
was exhausted , depressed, saddened, alone with this
little cat with the horrible URI and matted and
ruptured eyes. I went over to the Humane Society
Director's House, Deb, on her day off, to ask her, if
there was anyone who would be available to help in a
situation such as mine. There was not. I was it. She
told me I could just have the kitten run down to the
shelter and because of his condition he would be put
to sleep Monday morning.I ended up at the local police
station with my carrier, the kitten, his food and
water.It was his eyes that made me just give up...I
was completely defeated... I picked my carrier up the
following Monday. End of story. 
Maybe I need to get kicked in the Butt twice, before I
get into gear to try and do my small part to make
things better for our animal friends here in my little
town?
 I absolutely promise to act in honor, of a wonderful
cat, I named Marmalade,who ne

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry, My heart is breaking today for all the cats
that will no longer get to enjoy the things cats do
enjoy...They are all so special. 
I'm sorry for Gus and for you, because I know you
loved him...Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His
> body just could not take any more.He came to the
> shelter a month before I started there almost 2
> years ago.He will be sadly missed.
>   Sherry
> 
>
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Re: To Glenda re. Marmalade

[glenda Goodman]

Thank you so much Wendy.
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda,
> 
> I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past
> few days and mulling over all I have read.  I can
> completely see how each person can feel the way they
> do.  What happened is horrific.  I know all of us
> are saddened by it.  Obviously, you have learned
> your lesson and I can tell you feel badly about what
> happened.  I don't want to say something hurtful or
> mean, although what happened to Marmalade, honestly,
> has made me angry and sad.  However, as it has been
> pointed out, this happens every day to hundreds of
> animals in the world.  Marmalade is just one.  A
> grass roots foster/rescue program is needed, but who
> among us has the time or is willing to sacrifice? 
> We live in a damn rat race.  And I do not think that
> shelter work is every person's calling.  I am
> starting up a pet sitting business and taking care
> of my brood, among all the other stuff going on in
> my life.  Volunteering isn't part of the mix right
> now, but I do feel like I'm doing my part in my
>  little corner of the world, for now.  
> 
> I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I
> think the people here are wonderful.  Hideyo is very
> intense.  I personally think she feels things more
> intensely than many of us do; that observation is
> based on what I have seen in the past.  I think she
> will come around again.  She's angry and hurt now,
> as many of us are, and you are the easiest target
> for that, unfortunately.  However, even though you
> made a mistake, it was not intentional, and you were
> trying to rectify it.  We ALL make mistakes.  Every
> last one of us.  One time, when I was just a girl,
> one of our cats (we had many) attacked my face.  I
> was trying to pet him and talking to him really
> sweet, and he just attacked me and scratched me up. 
> I was bleeding pretty good from several places, but
> my heart hurt more than my head.  He jumped off the
> bed and walked off like he was the cat's meow and I
> kicked him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He
> died a few days after that.  He couldn't pee
>  and my mom was the type not to waste money on our
> pets; she had to make sure she always had a six pack
> handy.  I have always felt really badly about that. 
> In hindsight, it's quite possible that this kitty
> had crystals or already had a UTI.  But I'll never
> know and I choose to carry the grief that comes
> along with the responsibility of a mistake.  I know
> there are probably others here who have
> unintentionally hurt an animal.  I am certainly
> holding no grudge against you as I have no room to
> judge your mistake.  I do hope that, as others have
> said, it can be turned into something good, for
> little Marmalade's sake.  That is all that can be
> done now.  Prayers going out for your heavy heart.  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:01:23 PM
> Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> 
> 
> --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > HELLO EVERYONE, 
> > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> > THE
> > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> > NOW. 
> > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> > HAPPENED:  
> > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
> HIS
> > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
> DOWN
> > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> > SECTION...I
> > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> > 
> > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> > UPSET
> > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> > AFRAID
> > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
> IT
> > IN
> > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> > NIGHT
> > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
> > 
> > THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO
> LOVE
> > AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
> > RELATIONSHIP,
> > TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE
> TOOK
> &g

RE: To Glenda re. Marmalade

[glenda Goodman]

 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of wendy
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: To Glenda re. Marmalade
> 
> Glenda,
> 
> I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past
> few days and mulling
> over all I have read.  I can completely see how each
> person can feel the way
> they do.  What happened is horrific.  I know all of
> us are saddened by it.
> Obviously, you have learned your lesson and I can
> tell you feel badly about
> what happened.  I don't want to say something
> hurtful or mean, although what
> happened to Marmalade, honestly, has made me angry
> and sad.  However, as it
> has been pointed out, this happens every day to
> hundreds of animals in the
> world.  Marmalade is just one.  A grass roots
> foster/rescue program is
> needed, but who among us has the time or is willing
> to sacrifice?  We live
> in a damn rat race.  And I do not think that shelter
> work is every person's
> calling.  I am starting up a pet sitting business
> and taking care of my
> brood, among all the other stuff going on in my
> life.  Volunteering isn't
> part of the mix right now, but I do feel like I'm
> doing my part in my
>  little corner of the world, for now.  
> 
> I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I
> think the people here are
> wonderful.  Hideyo is very intense.  I personally
> think she feels things
> more intensely than many of us do; that observation
> is based on what I have
> seen in the past.  I think she will come around
> again.  She's angry and hurt
> now, as many of us are, and you are the easiest
> target for that,
> unfortunately.  However, even though you made a
> mistake, it was not
> intentional, and you were trying to rectify it.  We
> ALL make mistakes.
> Every last one of us.  One time, when I was just a
> girl, one of our cats (we
> had many) attacked my face.  I was trying to pet him
> and talking to him
> really sweet, and he just attacked me and scratched
> me up.  I was bleeding
> pretty good from several places, but my heart hurt
> more than my head.  He
> jumped off the bed and walked off like he was the
> cat's meow and I kicked
> him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He died a few
> days after that.  He
> couldn't pee
>  and my mom was the type not to waste money on our
> pets; she had to make
> sure she always had a six pack handy.  I have always
> felt really badly about
> that.  In hindsight, it's quite possible that this
> kitty had crystals or
> already had a UTI.  But I'll never know and I choose
> to carry the grief that
> comes along with the responsibility of a mistake.  I
> know there are probably
> others here who have unintentionally hurt an animal.
>  I am certainly holding
> no grudge against you as I have no room to judge
> your mistake.  I do hope
> that, as others have said, it can be turned into
> something good, for little
> Marmalade's sake.  That is all that can be done now.
>  Prayers going out for
> your heavy heart.  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change
> the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
> has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:01:23 PM
> Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> 
> 
> --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > HELLO EVERYONE, 
> > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> > THE
> > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> > NOW. 
> > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> > HAPPENED:  
> > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
> HIS
> > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
> DOWN
> > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> > SECTION...I
> > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> > 
> > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> > UPSET
> > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> > AFRAID
> > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
> IT
> > IN
> 
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RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa, This is a perfect idea...I'm glad you brougt
it up. It should just be a rule to remember...it is so
logical. 
As for Caroline: I have been reading your progress
with your little girl kitty and it has been , for me,
a bright spot during my miserable failures with my
situation this week. I am very proud of you and your
mom and happy for this dear little cat. Maybe you will
end up keeping her in your family?  I would be
completely firm with these people...I do not know how
you can demand payment though, but they need to show
some enthusiasm for wanting to pay the expenses . If
they do not, they are just not good people and not a
good home for the kitty... I'd say, I think I found
your cat...A friend of a friend has her and I heard
there were some vet bills. Do you want me to try to
locate your cat for you? You are a lawyer after
all...Glenda  
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Caroline,
> 
>  
> 
> I think it's great what you are doing! I'm very
> happy that your mom is
> getting on board with it! I know my family admires
> (even though they may not
> understand) my compassion for animals, but getting
> them to help, even
> reluctantly, is something I haven't been able to do
> as of late. Good for
> you!
> 
>  
> 
> As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in
> April, I advertised
> them as found cats (without description), and stated
> that the owners must
> describe the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought
> that if they really loved
> their kitty that they would do anything to get it
> back-no matter the cost.
> And if they couldn't afford it, then they would at
> least try their hardest
> to convince me that they deserved the kitty back
> even if they couldn't pay.
> I did not think this was out of line at all, and of
> course, as my husband
> predicted, no one came forward to claim the kitties.
> I knew that one was a
> stray (lived out of a dumpster) and the other might
> have been a back-door
> feeder but was severely neglected. 
> 
>  
> 
> If I understand correctly (I've been reading stories
> very quickly), you have
> the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty
> all fixed up nice-then let
> them know the bill. If they love kitty, they'll pay
> (or at least try).
> 
>  
> 
> I'm very happy for you guys-especially at your
> abilities to get lowered vet
> bills-way to go!!!
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
> 
>  
> 
> My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular
> vet today.  I couldn't
> get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell
> phone in the bushes
> somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue-
> typical- this explains why
> I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just
> really frustrated and felt
> she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those
> groups to help us get the
> cat into a vet that would treat her half
> price/discounted.  She wanted to
> make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and
> an upper respiratory
> infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my
> mom says she spent the
> first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat
> needed, what they
> were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the
> owner.  The vet pressured
> my mom into calling the vet number listed on the
> rabies tag AGAIN- even
> though we never heard from him and know that he has
> other clinics that are
> open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a
> live person!  That
> person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the
> "owner" information, so
> we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I
> mean..., I don't
> knowyour alls' guesses are as good as
> mine...that's all I will say about
> that.
> 
> My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had
> the owner info, I guess
> the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing
> EVERYTHING that a vet would
> usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and
> surprisingly, she
> doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have
> tape worms since I found
> a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on
> that.  I can always get a
> tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She
> weighs 5 lbs, 5
> ounces!!!  I told you she was
> malnourished!  The vet had
> trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think
> she's a little off there--
> she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she
> has no grey tarter- just
> the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but
> over 2 years.  I think the
> vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.  
> 
> She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on
> oral clavamox.
> Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been
> doing for her is right and
> then some...we wrote out a list that included
> everything- the colostrum,
> food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she
> wa

Re: Moe has taken a turn for the worse...

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, I'm so sorry to hear Moe is not feeling well
today. I do not know how yucky tasting the pills ate
that he is taking, but with my kitties that I give
pills,  I crush the pills up and mix 'sardines in
spring water'. I talked before about this, when I
discovered them at Walmart.They are .50 a large flat
container...They are also wild caught, by the way...
 I would always give my cats a dab of tuna as a treat
when they would mind and for example, come racing
across the yard when I would call their name...The
results were amazing... I am scared to give tuna too
often, but needed to find something they liked ,so
found the sardines...I have noticed my younger cats
are crazy about sardines,but the older guys that had
gotten used to tuna were harder to shift over, but are
starting to accept the change. 
I really try not to give tuna too often ,because of
the mercury content...I found out from several on this
site, human grade tuna was also hard on our cat's
kidney's...I thought it had to be better than regular
catfood tuna...wrong...I have gotten a lot of good
info on yummy healthy foods on this site and just have
not gotten down to ordering anything yet ,but will get
on it soon...
Back to the pills you are giving...The pills I give
are only multi vitaminsfor cats and lysine...I know
they do not taste too terrible, but without the
sardine trick I'd never get them down my kitties that
take them. They just scarf everything up in the mashed
sardines...do not even notice...
Good luck with your Moe...Glenda
--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well Moeman has gotten REALLY sick again.  
> 
> He's got huge bumps ALL around his neck, like he's
> wearing a collar or
> something, but he doesn't.  I called the vet and
> explained to her that
> since I've already had him in there 3 times, I
> couldn't afford to keep
> bringing him back and asked for Clavomox
> (spelling?).  When our other
> cat McGhee was really sick like this that's what she
> had and we would
> notice a difference in her in a matter of hours. 
> The vet said it would
> upset his stomach and make him more sick.  She said
> to try to give him a
> benydryl (again spelling?) and see how that goes for
> the weekend.  We
> gave him 25mg last night, and he FINALLY went to
> sleep.  I seriously
> don't think this poor little thing has gotten a good
> night's sleep in
> weeks.  He's CONSTANTLY scratching, or licking, it's
> bad.  So when we
> got up this morning he seemed to be a little
> perkier, but not much.
> Hopefully the benydryl will work and he'll get his
> strength back.  Only
> thing is we have the pills, and I feel HORRIBLE when
> we give them to
> him.  Mitch has to hold him by his neck, then I have
> to pry his mouth
> open, etcI've tried crushing it up and putting
> it food, but he knows
> it's there and won't touch it.  Even wet food, which
> is like a treat for
> him!  Any ideas on how I could crush up a pill and
> have him take it
> without even knowing it?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks guys.  I swear, sometimes I wonder what I did
> before I found you
> all.
> 
> Beckie
> 
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Re: My little Sammy went to Heaven

[glenda Goodman]

Taylor, I know he was precious to you. You did
everything  imaginable to comfort him and extend his
life.
 My heart is with you.
 I know your heart will be with me, when I will need
the comfort of someone who understands, just how hard
it really is, to lose a little love, like your Sammy.
 I'm so sorry he had to suffer, but I know , because
you were with him every step of the way, he felt so
happy and loved, that he probably did not realize all
that his body was going through...I can feel that...
Glenda  
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Dear Everyone:
> 
> I'm so sorry to report that my dear Sammy went to
> Heaven on Tuesday  
> morning.  He had gone into Animal 911 the evening
> before.  He felt  
> quite warm and when I took his temperature it was
> 106 so off we  
> went.  He stayed overnight in the ICU, hydrated,
> etc., and I knew he  
> was in the right place that night.  His WBC count
> was dismal, his  
> RBC's were dismal, he was very quiet when I picked
> him up to move him  
> to Berglund for continued care.  After discussion
> with the ICU folks,  
> who felt that the lymphoma once again had the upper
> hand, I knew it  
> was time to say farewell and I made the decision to
> have him PTS over  
> at Berglund.
> 
> We drove the five minutes to Berglund where I was
> met by his Auntie  
> Head Tech Linda and Auntie Dr. Val.  I had picked up
> a beautiful  
> little baby blanket earlier in the week-- blue and
> white cotton knit  
> with a small ruffle around the edge, lined in soft
> white "fur," and  
> Sammy was wrapped in that, in my arms.  They agreed
> it was time and  
> I'm pretty sure Sammy did, too.  He was so tired for
> such a little  
> guy, but he wasn't in pain, just so very, very
> tired.  When Val put  
> the sleepy meds into the IV on his wrist he went to
> sleep  
> IMMEDIATELY.  As she added the meds to stop his
> little heart she  
> said, "I love you, Sammy."
> 
> Linda cut off some of Sammy's beautiful marmalade
> hair for me and Val  
> put it in a little plastic bag.  Linda made sure I
> got all Sammy's  
> colors, too.  I wrapped him back up and held him
> close and just sat  
> and cried in the exam room, stroking his beautiful
> little face until  
> it was time to give him away forever.  Every so
> often someone would  
> peek in to say how sorry they were.  Linda said she
> was making a  
> little paw-print disc of Sammy's little paw for me
> and, of course, I  
> was having him cremated at St. Francis Animal
> Cemetery.  My dad  
> always buried the cats in our back yard but I
> cremate mine (even the  
> tiny parakeets, who are each in tiny blue-and-white
> ginger jars).   
> The little plastic bag of fur will fit right in the
> little St.  
> Francis tin, with a picture of St. Francis on it and
> a little St.  
> Francis animal tag inside.
> 
> Poor Sammy, he was so very small--he'd lost a pound
> over the last  
> twelve days--I could feel him growing cool so fast
> as I held him, I  
> disliked that so!
> 
> I've been staying close to home with the other
> kitties.  I think  
> we're all doing okay.  The other kitties always knew
> Sammy was very  
> seriously ill and we were  
>
allyuuu===(hello,
> Charlie has  
> jumped up, purring, to see me and let me hold him
> tight while I write  
> to you all)
> 
>   
> doing all we could to help him stay well, but he was
> overcome.  And  
> now we're overcome.
> 
> I'm sure he was met by that great Big Brother in the
> sky, my giant  
> kitty and champion kitten-adorer Jack-Jack, who went
> to Heaven last  
> March before the triplets arrived on July 1st of
> last year, and all  
> the other cats my parents and I have had over the
> years.
> 
> Think of how many kittens and cats will meet us
> again someday!
> 
> Thank you all for everything you have given me and
> how much you have  
> helped me and the kitties,
> 
> Tee 'n' the Remaining Wildlife (Lilibet Squeekietoy,
> exemplary kitten- 
> big-sissy, Billi Bi, reluctant, peeved ["I'M the
> baby!"] eldest  
> brother, and the 2 Orange Boyz, great big Charlie,
> AKA Twinkie (he's  
> twinkie-colored and was teenie when he was small),
> and Teddy Baby  
> Pooma (he was so little--he still is--I told him he
> was a baby puma  
> to make him feel big and strong).
> 
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 958
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: Inky is 21 now!!!!

[glenda Goodman]

Kerry, 
That is super!
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY INKY!
 With all the sad news we hear every day, thank you
for the little perk of good news. I'm sorry about your
Bandy.
 Because I am new, like a lot of us here, I'd be
interested to know how long you had your Bandy and
were Inky and Bandy allowed to mix? How old was Bandy
when you discovered the FeLV and FIV?  You certainly
are a blessing to your little ones! Thank you for
stopping in. 
Glenda
--- Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone, 
>   I haven't been here in awhile, and I do see there
> are many new people..So just want you all to know
> (those of you that remember us) that Inky turned 21
> last Thursday..I know he isn't felv+, but you guys
> helped me with some of his problems while I was
> dealing with my Bandy's illness.  We are always
> thankful for your knowledge and compassion for our
> fur babies.  Inky had blood work about 3 wks ago and
> his hyper-t has gotten worse, but the increase in
> meds is working again so far...kidney values are
> still high, but better...and the ibd is doing ok..
> so he is my shining star..
>   Bandy has been gone little over 6 months now and I
> miss him so..He will always be with me.
>   My best to you all and I hope all your babies are
> doing well today..If we can ever help, please email
> me direct..I am going to try to catch up.  If any of
> my experiences with Bandy (who was FIV+ and Felv+) I
> would be glad to offer what I can.  We dealt with
> alot of different things.
>   Our best to you all, 
>   Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Lil Rascal, Buster, Snoopy,
> Striper, Albert and Alberta
>   Inky and the rest of the crew
> 
>
> -
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Re: OT: oh Lordy!

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, 
It is a bit morbid...but this could be a good way for
our  cats to work out their frustrations with people?
Try a little Ken doll as an experiment...maybe a GI
Joe?  I'd be a little concerned, if this caught on,
with ,for example , our larger cats in zoos. using
say, mannequins. When you imagine that, it would be
difficult to believe they did not realize what they
were doing... 
I do have every confidence, our smaller cats
comprehend that the little toy people are
reproductions of humans. I have noticed that cats are
much more able to appreciate television, for example,
than a dogs...Cats are very adept at figuring out
concepts. 
I hope you do not have long blond hair...just
joking...
Bless your heart and keep having fun with your
family...I appreciate you! 
Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeap.
> 
> Prom Queen Barbie, w/ her long blond hair, headless
> & naked face down in my cats' water bowl...
> 
> Who the hell knows where her Tiara is...
> 
> Probably in the litterbox.
> 
> Do you think there is something from my warped
> childhood projecting here?
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: OT: oh Lordy!
> 
> 
>   Oh, AS USUAL from YOU, what a great story!  I'm
> heading for Goodwill!
> 
> 
>   xxx, Tee 'n' the Wildlife
> 
> 
>   "Consciousness is Causal 
>and Physicality is its
>Manifestation."
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:
> 
> 
> My cats are devils in fur.
> 
> Gattos diablos... :)
> 
> Their FAVORITE toy in the world?
> 
> Detached barbie doll heads.
> 
> Flowing in their water bowls, face down.
> 
> And the funny part?
> 
> I pick them up @ Good Will all day for a few
> cents, fully clothed w/ heads attached.
> 
> 
> In just a few short days, I find Barbie's prom
> dress in one corner, her naked headless body in
> another.
> 
> The head still has hair, but it has been ravaged
> to the point of mere fluff.
> 
> And everyone thinks "I'M" the crazy one in the
> family.
> 
> But them again, they are momma's babies.. 
> :)
> 
> Nothing cuter than my Princess Purr-laaa AKAS
> "Kannibal Kitty" walking around meowing & cooing w/
> a "caught" Barbie doll 
> 
> She's soo cute..
> 
> 
> It's the REAL Addams Family..
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra
> lay in state,
>Faithful Bast
> at her side did wait,
>Purring
> welcomes of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
> 
> Trajan Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: Success!

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie,
What a great letter and bit of information...and you
handled your vet perfectly! Good for you Beckie! 
I wonder how many vets peek in on this list? If I were
you, I'd seriously be looking for a new vet, but not
sure if you live in a larger or smaller community?
Sometimes we are just stuck with what we get. I know
when I decided to break ties with my vet, because he
continued to vaccinate my cats between the shoulder
blades, even after one of my cats ended up with
lump...that concerned him enough surgery was
scheduled...
The lump went away in the nick of time. Also, his
first impulse was to put down my healthy, FeLV+ little
girl, I called around and quizzed  vet techs at other
clinics with questions like : Where does this vet ,
that vet, vaccinate...and who is best with
cats...After reading up online I began looking for a
vet that agreed with the recent research pertaining to
cats...
My new vet , went into this whole explanation about
why she vaccinates along the upper side of the
ribcage. She told me it is because if a cancer
develops in a vaccination site it is the
easiest/safest place to remove it. My old vet told me
he was not concerned ,because only one or two cats out
of 10,000 cats, might developed a cancerous tumor at a
vaccination site. 
 According to my current vet,the site between the
shoulder blades is very difficult to remove a tumor
from. She said the vertebras are scraped somehow in
the process...That's what she said... 
For where I live, I have about the best cat- friendly
vet I can find. 
There really is no excuse for withholding knowledge
from you that might have helped you. As desperate as
you have been to help your cats and for all your
heartaches...Her answer to you was just lame. Her
answer reflected everything wrong with vets: the
doctor, your animal for profit issue, while neglecting
to really want to do everything in her power to make
your cats well. With a vet, with that attitude, one
has to wonder how far she might go, just for the sake
of the dollar...Pretty scary...
.I'd never heard of pill pockets before finding these
guys...I have one cat that is impossible to get a pill
down, no matter what I try. He is my 13 year old;can't
trick him...He gets tapeworms, sorry to admit, from
years of bad habits. He has to be wormed every 2-3
months. He can often spit the pills out and always
foams at the mouth...It is a struggle. I'll see if
Pill Pockets work for him...
Thanks, Glenda   
--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, Friday, I went and got the "Pill Pockets". 
> (Chicken Flavored, my
> cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped
> the Benedryl in it,
> and..WA LA!  Down it went!  I was SO
> happy!!!
> 
> The lady at the pet store also told me about these
> bath wipes so I got a
> pack of those.  They're like baby wipes, and you
> just rub them down, and
> it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is
> so soft!  I just wipe
> him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). 
> Also, they have aloe,
> so that helps with his scratching.  Amazingly
> enough, the lady at the
> pet store was more helpful than the vet!  When I got
> home, and saw how
> everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone
> with the vet and
> ripped her a new one.  I wanted to know why she
> hadn't told me about
> these products especially since I voiced to her MANY
> times how bad the
> pilling was going, and how bad his skin was.  Hell,
> she SAW it!  Her
> response?  We don't endorse other products than what
> we sell here.  Well
> I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet
> she took an oath to
> care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even
> though they don't
> "endorse" those products, she STILL could have
> suggested them.  I told
> her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should
> start getting wipes,
> and pill pockets there to "ENDORSE" so that other
> people and their
> animals don't have to go through what we've been.  I
> told her that I
> would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be
> filing a report with
> the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me
> for a vet, I will
> them to go ANYWHERE but there.  I was HOT
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks again guys!
> 
> Beckie
> 
> 



   

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Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

[glenda Goodman]

I hate to get back on this again, but I believe this
cat was once someone's cat...When I looked at this
kitty and he looked at me, in the light of my friend's
cell phone that night, I knew he was not born feral.
There was that moment of communication. I was sure he
just needed a little work and a little time to become
adoptable. 
I will be hurting for the rest of my life over this! I
was very upset he was put in with the 'wild cats" as I
was told, that next morning. I said I did not believe
he was wild! This one worker said he was "howling" at
her. Another gal, at another point in time, only said,
"He is not friendly." Well, he knew the hell hole he
was in with people that did not try to be kind to him.
I named him...he was going to be taken under my
wing...My friend, asked me why this cat was so
important to me, this when I told her I planned to
take this cat on. I told her, because he was smart,
beautiful, and a survivor and I respected him... I
wanted to restore his faith in people...I wanted him
to get a good home. I felt he deserved that. This cat
had character...I could tell... He had slept one night
on my friend's front porch...how feral is that? This
cat wanted a home. I do not mean to be back here
bringing all this up again...I have made everyone ,
including myself crazy with this...I will be bringing
up a lot of points to the public here about this cat
that I am bringing up here. I am going over certain
points, getting ready to hit them...
This shelter is just too reckless with our
animals...This dark hole they confine the cats, they
consider feral, is a place I want brought out into the
light...This is crap! I am still so broken up over
this I still am looking through my tears...At any
given moment they could have someone's cat in their
"feral holding section" . When I wrote to you guys
with that letter: WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS HERE: I was
writing as a person out in the public, someone who
pays taxes...I could not believe they actually shut
certain animals out of public view, like they are bad,
diseased, horrible creatures...I feel we have a right
to see and know what our local shelters are doing at
all times. I probably have 10Xs the cat experience as
any new hire down there who might decide a certain cat
is"wild". They never even used the word , feral. I
doubt they know the definition of feral...
Well, he might have been a little difficult for me to
stick my hand into the trap the night he was caught,
but I knew he would come around , because he was calm
when I talked to him. It was just going to take time
to gain his trust...I absolutely knew I had something
to work with...I'm so sorry guys! Glenda 
--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That would be the fault IF the cat had ever even had
> a pet owner.  As far as Glenda knew, this cat was
> feral..
>   t
> 
> Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   There's a very simple, responsible remedy for
> this, at least for pet owners who purport to be
> responsible --- KEEP YOUR PETS INSIDE OR IN AN
> ENCLOSURE OR SUPERVISED ON A LEASH OR HARNESS when
> outside.  There in my opinion, is NO excuse not to
> and if you don't you have no reason or excuse to cry
> when one gets hit by a car, eaten by wildlife or
> killed by a animal hating neighbor  I personally
> find it extremely hard to have sympathy for anyone
> under these circumstances.
> 
>   I even read one, if not two, news stories of
> another AS in our state who put down someone's pet
> who had been located, the people had called and were
> on their way to pick it up, get there, and it's
> gone.
> 
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RE: How to Keep Tags on Your cat???

[glenda Goodman]

My cats get to go outside while I'm home working in my
yard...They never wander, except a couple of them
might head down to my friend's ,which is about 3/4ths
of a block...I check on them every 30 min if I lose
sigt of them. I always used to think I wanted my cats
to have pretty collars and cute tags...wanted them to
look loved. I own a number of collars and tags, but
have you ever tested those break-away collars? They do
not break away! They work about as well as those
plastic things they wrap around pop cans or beer cans,
that are supposed to break away for the environment,
baloney.   The stretch type collars with the little
elastic string things are better, but they get stuck
on bushes and trees...They get lost...
I just feel collars are too dangerous.  Chipping and
ear tatoos on my cats is what I use. The ear tatoos
let everyone visually see your cat is loved,claimed
and the chip is a backup. Like, I think my cats are so
cute, I think everyone would want to steal
them...Well, say you are missing your cat...When you
advertise you mention the ear tatoo, then the chip and
offer a decent reward...My  thinking is, if someone
actually did take my kitty, they would be happy just
to settle for the reward...These are my thoughts...
I know, keeping your cats completely inside at all
times is the safest/smartest way to care for your
cats, but one  my biggest joys is watching my cats
have fun...climbing trees, catching grasshoppers and
just looking at how beautiful they look just walking
around in my flowers or rolling around on the lawn. 
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wendy,
> 
>  
> 
> I'm not sure if your cats go outside. Mine don't,
> and I have never even
> considered putting a collar on them. I never really
> thought about the health
> risks (like choking), but I knew my kitties would
> absolutely despise
> collars. Plus, with the tags jingling, they'd never
> be able to sneak up on
> each other (or us). I know there is a risk of them
> escaping when we go in
> and out, but really they haven't tried to run
> outside in at least a year. I
> guess it's a difficult subject to decide on. Yes,
> we've had emergencies
> where the door was left open and they got out, but
> we live in such a small
> town (without animal control, per se), that I think
> the benefits outweigh
> the risks in my case. Sorry I'm not much help!
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of wendy
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:22 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: OT: How to Keep Tags on Your cat???
> 
>  
> 
> Chris's post below sparked a question I have.  I
> have a couple of cats that
> constantly lose their collars.  Any ideas on how to
> get them to keep them
> on?  I always use break-aways because I'm afraid of
> my cat hanging
> themselves on something.  In fact, our 6 lb. Julie
> the other day, came and
> woke me up wearing her collar like a girdle, because
> I hadn't tightened it
> up very much (new collar), and she got her paw
> through it and the break away
> didn't give (it didn't need to; too much room
> still).  It was funny, but
> kinda scary.  Anyone have any ideas?
> 
>  
> 
> :)
> 
> Wendy
>  
> 
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change
> the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
> has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
>  
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:54:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
> 
> If this cat has been out there a long time, it is
> possible they no longer
> live there.  I hate to be the voice of dissent, but
> I've been through this
> for 2 years now-there are sooo many reasons why a
> cat was lost.  Nobody
> would ever dump a cat with a collar & tags! 
> Actually, it's a pretty
> responsible thing to put collar and tags on a cat
> that goes outside-most
> people don't cause cats are notorious for pulling
> them off.  If this is as
> sweet a cat as you describe him, somebody's got to
> be missing him.  Call
> them-feel them out. bet you'll be surprised!
> 
>  
> 
> Christiane Biagi
> 
> 914-632-4672
> 
> Cell:  914-720-6888
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
> 
> www.findkpets.org  
> 
>  
> 
> Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families
> with their Animals
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:08 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Oh my god!  Now I know why I post my lengthy stories
> to you guys (more than
> just venting)!  Everyone has made such wonderful
> suggestions- I really
> appreciate it.  We have the owners address so this
> is what I will suggest to
> my mom that we do.  That way, we can make the owners
> co

Re: Benjamin Please add to the CLS :(

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
 I'm so sorry. 
All the attention and love you gave him had to have
made Benny happy. 
You are taking these kittie's pain on to yourself and
in the process replacing their pain with little pieces
of  joy, to make their days so much better.  
I'm comforted to know there are lovely people like you
out there working, so hard, to make the world a better
place. 
I'm sorry you are sad...Just know, what you are doing
is very appreciated!  
Thank you for letting us know. 
Glenda   
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am writing this in tears,Benny was such a sweet
> sweet black kitty.He was just wasting away to
> nothing.I tried to get him to eat everytime I was
> there.Monday he ate many treats(which he lived for)
> and a bit of canned food.But he was down to 7 pounds
> from 14.We tried everything and Jen said WE can't
> keep him here just for US it just is not fair to
> him.I agree but it hurts so very much.I am sorry for
> all the sad posts I write,it is a hard job
> volunteering for sick kitties.Thank you all for
> helping me through it all.
>   Sherry and our MANY fur angels
> 
>
> -
> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you
> sell. 



   

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Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

[glenda Goodman]

My take on this is most guys who hunt are fat cats who
eat a lot of meat and can afford to take hunting
trips...
This means, they often hold high end jobs, where they
sit at a desk all day. "Hunting" restores that need in
them to feel like real men. 
For starters, these out of shape creeps, need to
become VEGETARIANS and take it from there. People who
kill animals for sport have no soul. The types that
really are the most disgusting are the "hunters" that
"hunt"  for huge fees, in these fenced in parks, where
the animals are often retired zoo animals or old and
sick wildlife. Texas is full of these places. Too bad
the wildlife can't be armed with all the modern
weapons with scopes and lasers and things could be
reversed.How would these"hunters" like seeing their
mom or children murdered before their very eyes? 
Maybe "hunting" needs to be replaced by "hiking" and
people need to appreciate looking at our beautiful
wildlife enjoying their lives and feeling happy and
secure in our beautiful places? 
 Glenda 
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Found this very interesting.  Of course, I wonder if
> it has anything to do with your inner spirit knowing
> that it is not right to harm these beautiful animals
> and this is punishment for their ignorance.
> 
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070817/hl_nm/deer_risk_dc
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

[glenda Goodman]

 Well, let's see if there is anything else mean we can
say about those guys...I forgot about the gun in their
pants not working...
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, it's too bad that they just don't care about
> animals, except for their 
> "purebred" huntin' dog.
> 
> They just want something to hang on their wall to
> make up for "inadequacies" 
> they have "elsewhere", if ya catch my drift 
> :)
> 
> And don't get me started on "canned hunts"
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "laurieskatz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack
> risk
> 
> 
> AGREE ...hiking, and photo taking would be, dare I
> say, spiritual.
> I have learned more from watching deer in my yard
> for years than any hunter
> learns from stalking and killing innocents.
> They ARE families. I have watched bucks play
> fighting with fawns and bucks
> grooming each other, does grooming each other. When
> a yearling was wounded
> by a bow hunter (she survived the wound through
> winter. Have not seen her
> for awhile now) a doe was comforting her...it
> brought tears to my eyes. They
> are so loving.
> L
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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OT: A quiet day...

[glenda Goodman]

Hey Guys, 
Personally, I always enjoy seeing people who hurt
animals suffer. I noticed Susan was not getting a lot
of feedback on her slam on hunters... I felt like it
was a good topic for a quiet afternoon...
I thought it was understood ,the types we are talking
about, are the people who hunt for sport. To make
matters worse,these sorts often have their kids out
shooting guns too, by the time the little fellows are
able to pick one up. I have seen little kids who are
taught to be proud of killing soft furry, doe eyed
animals and gorgeous birds...The last thing on their
minds is eating what they kill. They would rather eat
Fruit Loops and go to Pizza Hut...Anyway, I  find that
type of parent and child training scary...Kids should
be taught to have compassion and to be kind to
creatures that are at their mercy... 
 On the other hand, I do try to respect the decision
of families that seek to add to their menus and
balance out their grocery budget by adding wild game
to their freezer. Things are not getting any easier
and times are probably getting a lot harder for a lot
of people who work very hard to make  a living. There
are probably other ways to stretch the food budget,
but it might take some imagination...a little extra
work... 
Sadly, the way the world is going, going out and
killing wildlife is something we did a hundred years
ago. It is not something we are going to be able to do
a hundred years from now...It is really out of date
already...but a lot of people do not know it yet...It
is a huge hype ,so someone can make money...
Our world is simply shrinking in its habitat for
animals as well as for people. It takes eight acres of
land to support each individual human being in the
world today.  Instead of people trying to shoot,
poison, stuff, and/or eat every animal they set their
eyes on, they need to come up with solutions on how to
get more bang out of each acre of land and to cherish
and protect all the other species of life. 
If we do not look at the big picture now, the picture
in fifty years will not include any wild animals at
all.  If deer populations get too large, maybe a form
of birth control might be in order?  Our deer can also
be affected by diseases that make eating their flesh
very undesirable...something to consider... so losing
them as a food commodity is not like a huge
sacrifice...
Unfortunately, man has screwed up the natural
processes that once kept our deer populations in check
and also limited the land mass our wild animals have
to live on... I mean, we do not go out and start
shooting people when the human population gets too
large, or, do we? Which opens up a whole new subject:
war...
Oh well, but let's not forget: animals have feelings
too and they have every positive emotion us humans
have. How would we feel if the roles were reversed?
How would you feel if you were a deer enjoying a nice
afternoon with your family and suddenly you were
attacked by crazy, out of control humans with bullets
or arrows that tore into your body or a family member
standing next to you?  Where is empathy in our world
today, folks?   
It is a shame vegetarianism is not for everyone,
because it is the most logical way to live today in
this over populated world and also the kindest way to
take care of our planet. A carefully planned
vegetarian diet is also the healthist choice for the
human body.  
One of the best places to go to learn about the
advantage of going vegetarian is peta.org 
Have a good day! Glenda


  

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Re: OT Deer Hunters

[glenda Goodman]

Boy oh boy! For anyone offended by yesterday's posts
you need to read more carefully to catch the meaning
of what was being discussed...Susan and I were talking
about hunting FOR SPORT. I think everyone has a horror
story about their side of the subject that they side
with.( Let us not forget either, there are different
attitudes in different areas of the country...)
 Myself, one extreme example that sticks in my mind,
is some jerks on motor bikes here,  shot two deer near
an irrigation canel, cut off  the hind quarters of one
of the deer, and took off on their bikes. It was not a
pretty sight. I actually stumbled across it, while
hiking, and could figure out what happened by reading
the signs in the dirt. I do not think any serious ,
responsible hunters, who are decent, humble and really
adding to their family's ability to survive, would not
be upset about such people's attitude's either. Then
there are the people who just want a dead animal's
head on their wall. I do not like those guys either.
This is pretty much where we were going with this
yesterday.We wanted to offend those people... Then
again,us vegetarians can come across as a bit rude
sometimes and for my own snotty attitude, I sincerely
apologize. By the way, I really hate when my cat kills
FOR SPORT too. It is a lot different when a cat kills
a mouse for his dinner, than just for the sport of it
and goes to eat his Fancy Feast...But cats do not know
better and we love them anyway. People do know
better...
 Peace, 
Glenda   
--- Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How judgmental we can be! My family has hunted all
> my life-it is a food
> source that we value and are thankful for. By the
> way my brother-in-law died
> 2 years ago this deer season of a massive heart
> attack. He was making sure
> that there would be food on the table for his
> children that winter. Nice to
> know that you feel he deserved that because he
> killed a food source no
> different than a cat killing a mouse.
> 
> 



   

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Re: Oh my Goodness!

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, 
What a beautiful description.
What beautiful things you are doing...I am so grateful
to know there are people as kind and thoughtful out
there, making things better for all our little guys. 
I have only one little FeLV+ girl, but hang on to
every word of advice and hope that comes from people,
like you, who are so experienced. You have it down,
that is for sure, when it comes to our cat buddies. 
They are all so amazing...What fascinates me, so much
about cats, is that they are so easy to read. They
have every emotion we have and no qualms about
displaying them. 
I am excited for Percy getting a new life with you.
Keep up the good work. 
Just thank you so much! 
Glenda- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, this morning my friend Julia brought over my
> new 
> fiv+ / felv+ kitty.
> 
> She was calling him "Oreo" since he is a tuxie, but
> that has to go.
> 
> She was just out of names, due to so many rescues
> this year.
> 
> I feel her pain. :(
> 
> Anyway, what do folks think about "Percy"?
> 
> For some reason when he came outta the carrier the
> name Percy came to mind.
> 
> Of course, as we all know, he will have several
> names before it's all over  :)
> 
> So far, no bloodshed in the felv+ suite.
> 
> My cats were appalled @ how he jumped outta the
> carrier and went straight for their breakfast, which
> was chicken & egg whipped souffle' w/ cheese from
> Elegant Medleys.Sprinkled w/ Lysine &
> Missing Link PF.. (hey, I would rather them eat
> something better, but the Elegant Medleys got
> started when Serenity was still w/ me. That's all
> she would eat along w/ baby food when she was dying.
> And it works)
> 
> Four bowls out, he ate 2, now I will have to put out
> 5 maybe 6 in the mornings.
> 
> He has the "big" head of a fiv+ tom cat.
> 
> But he is sweet as can be.
> 
> Miss Princess Naughty Lola peered @ him like he was
> an oversized insect, she did not want him to get to
> close to her feathery baby fine cream & chocolate
> furrage..
> 
> Miss Lillian, who actually came from the same
> hoarder as him, sniffed him but he was not allowed
> to sniff her, she growled.
> 
> Papillon is mad, hiding in the bathroom, but I think
> he will be ok, Percy is so passive.
> 
> Miss Ursula, my botiful doll faced
> Sealpoint, is hiding behind the couch, that is her
> comfort zone when she feels like she's being
> invaded.
> 
> Percy is just so happy to be outta a cage, he was in
> a cage by himself in Julia's dry storage
> building..
> 
> He is so people oriented, it must have been hard on
> him.
> 
> This was a good move, and thanks Diane for being
> supportive of me in making this decision yesterday.
> 
> Now you are up to date, will keep you posted on the
> latest happenings @ Chez Mew today..  :)
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 



  

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Angela and Midnight

[glenda Goodman]

Angela, 
My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry for your loss
of Midnight, for you and your family. 
Now, we must all hope for the best for your other
kitties. I can imagine how scared you are for them.
You maybe should believe this virus, I'm believing
FeLV, came from a source more recently, that only
affected Midnight. Remember too, all the reports of
how healthy cats, if exposed, can throw the virus...If
your other cats were vaccinated your chances are very
good everyone will be all right. The vaccine is open
to debate though and thought to be 75%-85%
effective...I had read where the more recent improved
vaccines are a bit better yet.
Now is when people that have been in this a long time
and are very active and experienced with cats need to
tell come to your aid.  
Myself, I am still learning every day here. 
I am confused as to what is the better circumstance to
be in, having a kitty that contracted the FeLV virus
through the mother or having a kitten or adult cat 
just exposed to the virus? I do know the adult cats 
have a better chance of throwing the virus, than an
exposed kitten. What really got me confused is my vet
acted rather hopeful  about kittens that contracted
the  FeLV virus through the mother. Like there is  a
good chance to kick it... I think throwing FIV coming
through the mom is a lot easier than FeLV coming
through the mom. Maybe she got the two confused?  Then
I see people saying,with  just exposure there is  a
good chance of defeating the virus...Anyway, no matter
what, there is always hope...I think we all live on
hope every day to get us through to the next day. 
Your letter really moved me. It was short, but so
laced with your pain...I know we all know that awful
feeling...You will find a lot of very loving and
helpful people here... Be strong! 
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Re: Please talk to me/Angela

[glenda Goodman]

Laurie,
 I just have a couple questions: Did Squeaky and
Stripes have the FeLV virus for many years and
survive? If so maybe both were just carriers? The fact
Stripes lived to age 16, even with illnesses during
that time, is still amazing. 
As for the heart problems you have been facing:
Many years ago I had a kitty that was diagnoised with
a heart problem...forgot the name of it, where the
heart is enlarged, and fluid builds up in the
lungs...Well this I think may have been a genetic
condition ? I still do not know...
 At the time I tried to read up on all I could and saw
where sometimes huge doses of taurine helped save some
cats that might otherwise have succumbed to various
heart conditions...This was twenty years ago...I know
a lot has come to light since then. I'm sure there is
a lot of info online and I'm sure you have been neck
deep in it...
I guess it cannot hurt for all of us here to know a
little about everything when it comes to our
cats...The very best to you and Lucy...please keep us
posted regarding her progress and treatments.  
Thank you, Glenda

--- laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Angela, I am so sorryfor your loss, your pain
> and the uncertaintyI unexpectedly lost Keisha 5
> weeks ago. I didn't even know she was sick (not
> feline leukemia+). Now another of mine has a similar
> heart problem (not related and not
> contagious)somedays I am overwhelmed...I try to
> know that what I learned with Keisha will help me
> better care for Lucy.
> 
> a note of hope ~ I had two feline leuk positive
> boys. Squeaky was never sick during his first 22
> years. Stripes lived to 16 despite being sick on and
> off. We have finally figured out a protocol that is
> working for Isabella for now. She was sicker than
> the boys and came to us in May (years after the boys
> died). There is hope. If your kittys have feline
> leukemia, then it's plan B for treatment. Please try
> to breathe and know that they are in good hands and
> you can handle whatever comes your way. These
> kitties are put in our lives for a reason. ALLOW
> yourself to grieve and be mad and sad...it's all
> part of the process. 
> 
> My heart reaches to yours...right this moment...you
> and all 3 kitties are in my prayers.
> Safe journey to your Midnight. 
> One comfort I had from the sudden death of Keisha
> was she was giving me the gift of not having to
> watch her suffer over weeks or months and not having
> to make a tough decision for her someday.
> Godspeed,
> Laurie  
> 



  

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RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY

[glenda Goodman]

Caroline, You have been through Hell and back with
this cat. I know maybe it was not that particular cat
you might have gone out and picked out of the hundreds
available from the shelters where you are and you were
not really looking or even ready for anyone after your
precious Monkee, but after reading your posts and all
your efforts and struggles and progress with this cat,
all I can say is please just add the frosting to the
cake...Name her! and give her the security she
deserves...I do not care who the owners are...If I
were the owner and loved her to death, I'd want her to
be with you, if you might want her. Nothing is more
rewarding than getting something that is all beat up
and sad and polishing it up and making it happy. If I
did not believe that I would not be crying right now,
thinking about how I never got the chance to do that
for that cat Marmalade that I will honestly never
forget. The loss of him to me was huge. At this point
I think you will always worry about THIS CAT and I
think for you and your mom it would be best to keep
her in your family. A lot of people will probably
write and hate me for telling you this, but this is
how I see it. Bless you and your mom and that kitty! 
Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-

Susan:

I am sorry about the fire and that you are still
missing two cats.  That is heartbreaking.  You have
been in my thoughts over the past few weeks.

As explanation, well, it's complicated.  We found her
about three weeks ago (Aug. 4) and that was about the
time of your fire so you missed out on my posts about
my "Malnourished Rescue Cat."  She was in HORRIBLE
shape when we found her and that is part of the
problem.  If she was kept as an outdoor cat, or even
outdoor/indoor, she should not have been.  Some cats
are just not "meant" to be outdoor cats and I have
owned enough in my mere 30 years to be able to
recognize that.  There is an outdoor colony of cats
that are owned by a lady up the street from me who
live outdoors...they "prefer" it and they do quite
well.  The whole neighborhood looks out after them and
a bunch of us feed them.  But my point is, these cats
are true outdoor cats, this cat, is not.  

She had to have weighed under 5 pounds when we found
her and she is not a young cat...the vet approximated
3-5 years old, more on the higher end.  We've had her
in a room feeding her Wellness kitten wet and dry
food, to which I was adding Colostrum, Rescue Remedy,
L-Lysine, Brewer's Yeast, Salmon Oil (but not all at
once), and tons and tons of Nutrical, as my mom and I
were worried about her liver and kidney function
because of her severe malnutrition.  I have never seen
a cat this malnourished.  Our neighbor who had been
feeding her (clearly not enough) said she'd been
hanging out in the neighborhood at least 3 weeks.  She
looked horrible.  She's long-haired, but she had
dander and her collar was on way too tight-- it was
frayed and shabby looking and it had rubbed all the
fur off her neck where it had been.  The only tag on
the collar was a rabies tag.  The vet listed on the
tag had closed his offices and it took a while before
we were able to reach them for them to give us the
owner's phone number.  The cat also had a severe upper
respiratory infection and when we put her in a
carrier, her eyes were weeping all down her face with
green discharge and she sneezed all the time.  I
immediately started treating her eyes with Terramycin
and we've already gone thru one tube.  She had fleas,
but she had no energy to scratch at them.  We took her
in because that weekend (of Aug. 4) was going to be
the hottest ever (100's+) and I did not think she
would have survived outside and I know I was right. 
My mom thought she might die that weekend at her
house.  We just worked on feeding her and getting her
digestive system working again before we took her to a
vet almost a week later.  We got her on Clavamox.

She's much better now, but her infection is not
completely gone; the hair hasn't grown back on her
neck; she's ridiculously happy and I have never seen a
cat so clearly enjoy the air conditioning as she does.
 You can still feel the bones sticking out on her
body, but her stomach is filling out.

We also discovered today, due to the storm, that she
deathly afraid of storms...she's been hiding under the
bed and nervously looking at the window.  It's kind of
broken my mom's heart and she is just extremely
worried about the owners in this situation because the
cat was in such bad shape and clearly didn't know how
to take care of herself while outside.  I don't think
she was able to eat anything (not a hunter--
clearly!), unless given to her by human.  

We just have some major concerns here and don't want
to have spent all this time, energy (I have to go to
my mom's everyday after work to treat the cat with
Clavamox because my mom can't do it and that keeps me
away from other things I need to do, my own foster
cat, and th

RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY

[glenda Goodman]

You are right! I know one should never let emotion get
in the way of logic. Caroline needs to go to every
length to find the owner...then she needs to deal with
the situation from there. I guess after feeling so
happy and excited for this little cat I am just scared
for her going into a bad situation...Besides, who
would be better to this little cat than Caroline? I
cannot imagine...guess I was just thinking of the
cat...Glenda
--- Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry--if it were my cat that got out and somebody
> found it in poor shape
> weeks later and chose not to call me cause they made
> judgments about me, I'd
> be furious.
> 
> Christiane Biagi
> 914-632-4672
> Cell:  914-720-6888
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
> Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
> www.findkpets.org
>  
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of glenda Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:32 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY
> 
> Caroline, You have been through Hell and back with
> this cat. I know maybe it was not that particular
> cat
> you might have gone out and picked out of the
> hundreds
> available from the shelters where you are and you
> were
> not really looking or even ready for anyone after
> your
> precious Monkee, but after reading your posts and
> all
> your efforts and struggles and progress with this
> cat,
> all I can say is please just add the frosting to the
> cake...Name her! and give her the security she
> deserves...I do not care who the owners are...If I
> were the owner and loved her to death, I'd want her
> to
> be with you, if you might want her. Nothing is more
> rewarding than getting something that is all beat up
> and sad and polishing it up and making it happy. If
> I
> did not believe that I would not be crying right
> now,
> thinking about how I never got the chance to do that
> for that cat Marmalade that I will honestly never
> forget. The loss of him to me was huge. At this
> point
> I think you will always worry about THIS CAT and I
> think for you and your mom it would be best to keep
> her in your family. A lot of people will probably
> write and hate me for telling you this, but this is
> how I see it. Bless you and your mom and that kitty!
> 
> Glenda
> --- Caroline Kaufmann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> -
> 
> Susan:
> 
> I am sorry about the fire and that you are still
> missing two cats.  That is heartbreaking.  You have
> been in my thoughts over the past few weeks.
> 
> As explanation, well, it's complicated.  We found
> her
> about three weeks ago (Aug. 4) and that was about
> the
> time of your fire so you missed out on my posts
> about
> my "Malnourished Rescue Cat."  She was in HORRIBLE
> shape when we found her and that is part of the
> problem.  If she was kept as an outdoor cat, or even
> outdoor/indoor, she should not have been.  Some cats
> are just not "meant" to be outdoor cats and I have
> owned enough in my mere 30 years to be able to
> recognize that.  There is an outdoor colony of cats
> that are owned by a lady up the street from me who
> live outdoors...they "prefer" it and they do quite
> well.  The whole neighborhood looks out after them
> and
> a bunch of us feed them.  But my point is, these
> cats
> are true outdoor cats, this cat, is not.  
> 
> She had to have weighed under 5 pounds when we found
> her and she is not a young cat...the vet
> approximated
> 3-5 years old, more on the higher end.  We've had
> her
> in a room feeding her Wellness kitten wet and dry
> food, to which I was adding Colostrum, Rescue
> Remedy,
> L-Lysine, Brewer's Yeast, Salmon Oil (but not all at
> once), and tons and tons of Nutrical, as my mom and
> I
> were worried about her liver and kidney function
> because of her severe malnutrition.  I have never
> seen
> a cat this malnourished.  Our neighbor who had been
> feeding her (clearly not enough) said she'd been
> hanging out in the neighborhood at least 3 weeks. 
> She
> looked horrible.  She's long-haired, but she had
> dander and her collar was on way too tight-- it was
> frayed and shabby looking and it had rubbed all the
> fur off her neck where it had been.  The only tag on
> the collar was a rabies tag.  The vet listed on the
> tag had closed his offices and it took a while
> before
> we were able to reach them for them to give us the
> owner's phone number.  

Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
 Thank you for all you do for these sweet little guys
and thank you for letting the world take note of them
at their passing. 
Each and every one of them are incredibly special. Any
one of them could have been one of our beloved cats.
They deserve to be mourned by all of us who love cats.
I'm sure Spencer and Joy are together in a beautiful
place free of all their sadness and pain, with all the
other wonderful little souls that have been lost by
each of us at one time or another. Thank you again for
all you give to these sweet little guys.
Sending our love, Glenda and family 
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here we go again,sweet beautiful Joy a tortie that
> loved giving you kisses on your face passed away
> today while under to be checked out,she was going
> down hill and had fiv and felv.She was the first
> kitty that I noticed in the window when I drove up
> to check it out before starting my volunteering.I
> will miss that sweet tortie girl.
>   Sherry
> 
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Re: Please talk to me

[glenda Goodman]

Angela,
 What wonderful news! It made my day!
Please stick around and keep learning from these guys.
There is usually something helpful every day or two
that makes us better cat parents...Although you have
3-months before a retesting and everything will
probably be just dandy, there is nothing wrong with
keeping their immune systems boosted during the
waiting period. Just so you know you are completely on
top of things from minute one. 
Thank you for that bright spot yesterday! 
Take care, Glenda
--- Angela Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To all who have hellped me thru this day...
>   Thank you for your support and encouraging words.
> We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley
> and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We
> are going to retest in 3 months. 
>
>   The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests
> (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher
> with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent
> range.
> 
>
>   God bless all!
>   Ang
> Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HI Angela
>
>   This sounds exactly like what happened to my
> Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was
> hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did
> figure it out. His gums were exactly as you
> described he spent two nights at the vet hospital
> with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second
> night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit
> was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning.
> They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so
> bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had
> him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there
> symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same
> time and being treated for anemia by a different
> vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a
> car several months earlier and that was the only
> available vet who could see him in a hurry. 
>
>   Now I was worried Junior's condition was more
> serious. I took him back in that week and though he
> looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him
> hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to
> a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It
> came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two
> more tested positive. One also had been sickly had
> FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I
> was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me
> going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very
> suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat 
> was also PTS he was not well. 
>
>   Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough
> go but is fine now other than his pos status. He
> gets immune booster like the group says.
>
>   Sally 
> 
>  
>   On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: Susan,
>Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went
> down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then
> Friday we moved, I thought he just was 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New Diagnosis

[glenda Goodman]

Michael,  Good job! You are what this website is all
about!  The very best to you and your cats! 
Glenda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks guys.  I stopped on my way home from work and
> picked up some  Lysine 
> and Echinacea, I'm going to start putting it in
> their food.  I also  got some 
> high protein purina naturals food to replace their
> cat chow indoor  formula, 
> and I'll step up to proplan or iams or something if
> I need  to.  I also plan on 
> sanitizing all the feeding bowls and drinkwell 
> fountain daily.  After 
> speaking with the former fosters and the state 
> coordinator for VA SRC, I think this 
> is the best plan for now.  I'll keep  you all
> updated once I get a real 
> diagnosis from the tests they sent off  today.
>  
> Michael
> 
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Re: OT: Success with Rescue Cat

[glenda Goodman]

Absolutely amazing! How absolutely cool! This is one
lucky cat to have gotten so much help! I loved this
story...Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-
Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I
say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my
mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted
everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have
successfully reunited her with her family.
 
Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S
advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously
mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.).
 As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were
able to obtain is the telephone number and street name
(not number) of the "owner" and the name of the cat-
"Nosey."  My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a
while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet
and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much
rehabilitation anyway.  We tried to decide what to do
and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to
this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person
and whether they were a good owner.
 
We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have
finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still
exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus
my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the
vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the
owners and make sure they take her to the vet.
 
Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY
remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab
where you can do a "reverse look-up"- using the phone
number...it will give you a name and address.  Bingo! 
I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also
provided me with the NAMES of the two people living
there  So, then I of course googled their
names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner
at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped
open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big
city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had
to contact her at that point.  I also knew she could
definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they
live on very "rich" street- I know that sounds weird,
but the property value of the houses on that street is
ridiculous).  Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet
detective, seriously.  Sometimes I think all I need in
life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!!
 
 
My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an
email at her firm's email address from my work email,
so she would know where I work and that I am an
attorney too.  I took the initial vague route first
(as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her
out, etc.  She replied and said it's their cat and
they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't
check online sites (which she apologized for) and
asked when they could come get her.  After another
consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her
another email where I "socked it to her" with the
malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't
taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that
was done and the bill is this amount, we've been
feeding her this & that, she needs to go back to the
vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she
go back and get this treatment (a  full blood panel to
check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms,
etc.).  AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat
and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat
because she does not fair well outside, she has this
URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of
storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run
and hide.  WHEW!  All that.  I also apologized for
hitting her with all this at once and at work and
admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially
before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and
have done intensive care/rehabbing.  
 
She responded really well!!!  She gave me info about
Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and
she lives with her Mother and Brother cats.  They are
mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece
of property with a covered porch.  She said the cats
seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love
them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few
years ago when she developed a URI!!!  So, hopefully,
now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to
shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I
did press upon her).  She said they will compensate us
for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will
continue with further vet care for Nosey.  
 
We are going to try to connect tonight to do the
hand-off.  My mom and I both really happy that we've
had a great result, but I have to admit that it took
some "detecting" on my part, as we weren't going to
turn this cat over to the great unknown!  I will never
know how Nosey got one mile away from her home, and in
so doing, she had to have crossed one of the busiest
state roads in Louisville (4 lanes of non-stop busy
traffic, 45 mph speed limit) to get to our
neighborhood??

Re: Update

[glenda Goodman]

Michael, 
There is nothing I can say that has not been said. We
all feel so badly for you and your family. I'm just so
glad, that from the moment you got the first positive
test, you were up for the fight. I'm just sitting back
feeling so grateful there are such great , well
informed people here, that are very up to date on the
latest and best ways to deal with this disease.
The day I was told by my vet, a couple months ago,
that my cat's test came back positive, is the same day
I found these guys. I was on the computer about
10-hours that day, trying to learn everything I
could...looking for that little shred of hope...It is
an awful feeling. I venture to guess, the way I found
these guys, is the same way most of us found this
group, that one horrible day, when the bottom fell
out...but there is hope, in many different forms, as
you are learning...Bless your heart! Your little guys
are very lucky to have you in their corner! 
Glenda 
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> Ok, guys, here's the status.   I just called the
> vet's office,  they told me 
> both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back
> positive today.   I guess what I 
> need to do now is figure out what to do from here. 
> I did  ask about UT, and 
> she just sort of side-stepped the question.  I also
> asked  what happened to Dr. 
> Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was
> "She's  not here anymore 
> and I don't know what she's doing." So, needless to
> say, I  think I'm done with 
> this vet's office.
>  
> I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I
> guess that's the next  step, 
> both of them are headed there as soon as I can get
> the referrals.  I  tried 
> the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of
> them have felt well  enough 
> to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try
> it again when they're  
> feeling better. If they don't take it.  I'm a bit
> upset right now, so I'm  gonna 
> leave it at that guys, til I have a little time to
> calm down.  I'm  open to 
> suggestions as to what I should do next.   
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
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Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I
feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a
lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on
just how to take care of our little guys better and
signs to look for. I have been checking all my
kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected,
my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed
out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that
said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the
anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my
vet about what it is and can I have some right now...
I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to
these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple
months ago.
Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if
he is getting weaker and you have tried through
supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
love him. 
I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to
share their experience with you...I will be keeping
that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
that precious support, that can only come from people
who really understand...
My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda  
--- Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my
> prayers.
>
>   It feels odd to write about this now as my husband
> and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
> calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
> helps you.
>
>   My baby died at home. That was important to me,
> and i wanted it that way though my husband was very
> caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
> and not with people she was afraid of and being
> stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
> screaming and while in trauma that might be more
> beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes
> it harder. So after that experience (this was with
> my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened
> with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
> peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
> where Peter the hospice nurse says, "death can be
> beautiful, if you let it be." Though most may reject
> this statement because it is not something most want
> to think about, I can say that I do agree with it.
> It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier
> for me to deal with.
>
>   She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
> didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
> prime she was very talkative and loved being held
> and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she
> stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a
> relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a
> dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I
> started having a feeling that it was going to be on
> sunday because i started getting a song in my head
> about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of
> love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is "Tell me on
> a sunday." 
>
>   "Don't write a letter when you want to leave
> Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
> I'd like to choose how I hear the news
> Take me to a park that's covered with trees
> Tell me on a Sunday please
>
>   Don't leave in silence with no word at all
> Don't get drunk and slam the door
> That's no way to end this
> I know how I want you to say goodbye
> Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
> Tell me on a Sunday please"
>
>   That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and
> she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very
> diated. I bent down around her and sang her
> Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the 
> first time all weekend she raised her head and
> looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved
> her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a
> feeling that she understood. 
>
>   The song goes:
>   "Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche
> ma main
> Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
> J'oublie mon chagrin
> Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse
> mal nourri
> Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui
> m'anéantit
>   The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched
> sigh
> while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and
> I"
>
>   I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her,
> even though I could feel each vertebrate of her
> little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 
>
>   I went back to the living room and laid down, but
> didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went
> into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he
> was talking with her. When he was done, I could see
> he had been crying. 
>
>   When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20
> minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney an

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge

[glenda Goodman]

Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place
trying to find this stuff for me under iron
supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I
guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in
the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron
supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at
all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has
always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in
tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately
and I am realizing I have an emergency on my
hands...If it were not for this list I might not have
noticed...
Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to
Procrit...Glenda
--- Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug
> used to help people 
> undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been
> compromised.  There are 
> some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from
> people who say they have 
> been hurt by the drug.
> Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a
> couple of months after 
> seeing them almost every day for a while.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
> long letter- sorry 
> butplease indulge
> 
> 
> > Beckie, You are such a bright little light here
> and I
> > feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
> > little Moeman might be fading away. You have
> learned a
> > lot for the time you have been here. I know I have
> on
> > just how to take care of our little guys better
> and
> > signs to look for. I have been checking all my
> > kittie's gums this morning and just like I
> suspected,
> > my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has
> seemed
> > out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
> > FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
> > tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
> > supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it
> that
> > said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with
> the
> > anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am
> asking my
> > vet about what it is and can I have some right
> now...
> > I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks
> to
> > these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a
> couple
> > months ago.
> > Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
> > stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
> > have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and
> if
> > he is getting weaker and you have tried through
> > supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
> > love him.
> > I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
> > beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her
> husband to
> > share their experience with you...I will be
> keeping
> > that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
> > that precious support, that can only come from
> people
> > who really understand...
> > My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda
> > --- Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in
> my
> >> prayers.
> >>
> >>   It feels odd to write about this now as my
> husband
> >> and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
> >> calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
> >> helps you.
> >>
> >>   My baby died at home. That was important to me,
> >> and i wanted it that way though my husband was
> very
> >> caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
> >> and not with people she was afraid of and being
> >> stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
> >> screaming and while in trauma that might be more
> >> beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it
> makes
> >> it harder. So after that experience (this was
> with
> >> my grandmother) I told myself that if this
> happened
> >> with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
> >> peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
> >> where Peter the hospice nurse says, "death can be
> >> beautiful, if you let it be." Though most may
> reject
> >> this statement because it is not something most
> want
> >> to think about, I can say that I do agree with
> it.
> >> It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it
> easier
> >> for me to deal with.
> >>
> >>   She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
> >> didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
> >> prime she was very talkative and lov

Re: To Glenda: Re: Procrit

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, 
Thank you!
 Anyway, I just picked up something called:
LIXOTINIC,ODD LOTS (30ml) from my vet. It is supposed
to be iron with vitamins, I think ? I am to give my
cat 2ml once a day...I have a two week supply. I will
have my cat go through the usual tests in the next
couple weeks. I do want to say, I just shot the first
dose down his throat and it went so fast he did not
even know what happened. This is the cat that foams at
the mouth when he is given a pill and 90% of the time
manages to spit it out. I really like giving him
things in liquid form with the syringe. 
Beckie might want to try something like this on Moe,
just to make sure she is getting as much supplement as
possible down him. I think she found pillpockets
helpful, but nothing could beat what I just pulled on
my cat Dingo, the pro at fighting off his
meds...Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Let me clarify:  Usually Prednisolone is used for
> anemia and maybe Winstrol after the initial
> diagnosis.  If it doesn't work, then other
> drugs/procedures are considered.
> 
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:04:08 PM
> Subject: To Glenda: Re: Procrit
> 
> 
> Glenda, 
> 
> I think Procrit is the same as Epogen, but not
> completely sure, and it can still be purchased. 
> Usually when people use Procrit for their animals,
> it is the only thing left that will help the anemia,
> so they choose to save their animal rather than just
> let them go, and deal with any after effects later,
> if any.  I didn't want you to think it's not
> something you can use in the future if one of your
> kitties needs it.  Usually Prednisolone is used for
> anemia and maybe Winstrol.
> 
> :)
> Wendy 
> 
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:52:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
> long letter- sorry butplease indulge
> 
> 
> Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place
> trying to find this stuff for me under iron
> supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I
> guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in
> the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron
> supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at
> all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also
> has
> always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in
> tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately
> and I am realizing I have an emergency on my
> hands...If it were not for this list I might not
> have
> noticed...
> Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to
> Procrit...Glenda
> --- Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a
> drug
> > used to help people 
> > undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been
> > compromised.  There are 
> > some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from
> > people who say they have 
> > been hurt by the drug.
> > Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a
> > couple of months after 
> > seeing them almost every day for a while.
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
> > long letter- sorry 
> > butplease indulge
> > 
> > 
> > > Beckie, You are such a bright little light here
> > and I
> > > feel so sad to know you are hurting and your
> sweet
> > > little Moeman might be fading away. You have
> > learned a
> > > lot for the time you have been here. I know I
> have
> > on
> > > just how to take care of our little guys better
> > and
> > > signs to look for. I have been checking all my
> > > kittie's gums this morning and just like I
> > suspected,
> > > my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has
> > seemed
> > > out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is
> not
> > > FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have
> him
> > > tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
> > > supplement. I 

Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy and Susan, my little gurus, You guys , I trust
more than any vet...so here is my question:
Which is worse for a kitty, to contact the FeLV virus
through the mother as a kitten or to be exposed later
in life?
 I think I know the answer.It is better to be
exposed later in life, right? About what might the
percentages be for a kitten throwing the virus if it
came through the queen? 
 My little girl became infected through her mom...I
continue to live on a little bit of hope she could
throw it some day, but I am trying to steel myself
that I could lose her in a couple years...Right now
she is a bundle of energy and just so incredible as
cats go...She is about 6-months old...
(This is an open question, but since I had both of
these guys here, thought I'd ask...)
Thanks, Glenda

--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Great advice, Wendy, great advice.
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: wendy 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM
>   Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers
> 
> 
>   Michael,
> 
>   There is such a range that I would not even say
> 2-3 years.  I would say that the younger the cat,
> the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more
> likely) they will pass in the first year or third,
> but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no
> specific research.  This does not include cats that
> throw the virus, which your cats could do.  They say
> it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus
> within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become
> negative after years, which is always a joy to see,
> though rare.  About 30-40% of cats throw the virus
> after exposure.  Adult cats are much less likely to
> get the virus, which might explain why your younger
> one may have picked the virus up when he was a
> kitten (I hope I have that right).  My Cricket was
> diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure
> he got it in utero from his mom.  He died at 4.5
> years.  He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with
> anemia, that I feel would not have happened without
> the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for
> a week during the hurricane.  He could still be here
> had he not been stressed, I don't know.  Then,
> there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22  We
> had one here live to 16 years old.  I forget whose
> kitty it was.  There is another that lived to nine. 
> There is just no way to tell the life expectancy,
> but I will say this.  If you have your cat on immune
> boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are
> asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them
> feel good, I really, really believe that extends the
> life expectancy more than we realize.  You might do
> an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts
> that tell how old their kitty was when they died. 
> I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like
> years + death, but it might be possible.  I wouldn't
> get any date stuck in your head though.  Positive
> thoughts all the way!
> 
>   :)
>   Wendy
>
>   "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message 
>   From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM
>   Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers
> 
> 
>   Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad
> tonight about my babies, let me ask this...
> 
>   How long have you all known of a cat surviving
> after FeLV+ diagnosis?
> 
>   I know the standard is, according to almost
> everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure
> some of you all have had experiences with cats
> living longer?
> 
>   Just curious what everyone's experiences have
> been.
> 
> 
>   Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Sylvester died at home this morning

[glenda Goodman]

Tracy,
 I'm so sorry. It never fails to make me cry when I
read these posts...It seems like each one of the
little guys has their own special way of saying
goodbye to us and it always seems like they are also
thanking those people who stuck by them and loved them
so much. 
I know he was special. One thing about loving a cat is
you can never regret it...Love from us here in
Nebraska. 
Glenda
--- Tracy Weese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My giant (well, he used to be) ol' farm cat died
> this morning at home.
> 
> Sylvester came off a farm where I take care of a
> dwindling (thanks to TNR) cat colony.  He got very
> sick about 2 years ago and I took him to the
> vet...of course it was more than being sick, he had
> FeLV+.  So he came home with my other cats (I had
> few other positives then, after today down to two
> now and soon to be one-CW is anemic and fading,
> too).
> 
> He was big when I got him, about 16 pounds despite
> being so ill.  After many  at the vets' and then
> living at home, he was up to 22 lbs!  He stayed
> pretty healthy for about 1 year and  4 months (he
> was probably 7 when I got him).  He always had a
> little cough the vets thought was asthma (and yes,
> we checked and re-checked this).  But recently, he
> was not the same, more coughing, high fever, not
> eatingturns out his blood counts were all
> haywire.  Low RBC, Low white count and low
> plateletsthe antibiotics for the fever made his
> tummy hurt, too.  So at the vet yesterday I asked if
> it was time to let him go (he lost 2 lbs in a week),
> the vet didn't think so bec. of course, he perked up
> at the vets' and purred and pranced...He got a
> vitamin B12 shot and his very first steroid shot
> (yes, we discussed that steriods in a FeLV+ cat were
> a last resort).  When we got home, he had a good
> night.  He ate some, and hung out with me and the
> others (he had been staying under the bed except
> when I would drag him out for meds).  He even played
> some and tried to squeeze into a tiny box like he
> used to.
> 
> This morning I awoke to a few sounds of slight
> distresshe was sleeping under the bed again
> (actually, the cats tore the bottom fabric of the
> box springs and he would sleep inside the box
> springs).  I reached down and touched him and told
> him I was there and then went to get a carrier to go
> to the vet.  In the seconds it took for me to run
> downstairs and get the carrier and come back up, he
> was gone.
> 
> I had to cut the rest of the fabric to get him since
> he would lay furtherst from the opening.  I pulled
> him out and he was still, he looked very
> peaceful--no signs of struggle on him or under the
> bed.
> 
> This is the very first cat I have had that died at
> home (and I have a cabinet full of cremated
> remains)...it was not terrible, but I did not plan
> it.  Last night was so good for him, I guess he had
> only one last good night in him.
> 
> He died with me nearby and in the place he felt
> safest, under the bed.  I took him to the vets' so
> he can be cremated.
> I don't think he suffered but a few short seconds if
> that.  I gave him permission several days ago to
> leave if he needed to, I guess he needed to go
> today.
> 
> Although I will miss him, several of my other cats
> will not.  He was a gentle giant, but a few of my
> smaller cats  terrorized him if they got the chance.
>  He never struck out first and usually retreated,
> but he was always a sweetie to people.
> 
> Please think good thoughts for Sylvester.



   

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Re: Neville Please add to the CLS

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry, Our thoughts and love go to Neville and our
hopes, love and prayers go to Nova. All kitties are
special and deserve to be remembered. Thank you for
all the love, help and respect you give these little
guys. Thinking of you all in Nebraska, Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am sorry and saddened to say that Jen had to let
> poor Neville go tonight.I got to say good bye to him
> earlier.He was one of our Hurricane Katrina cats. My
> nick name for him was Slim Shady.He was a very odd
> and exotic looking boy.
>   Also could you add Nova to your prayers,she is
> having problems now too.She is a feisty beast with
> major attitude but we love them ALL. THanks so much
>   Sherry
> 
>
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Re: heartworm info

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, Thank you! I had treated a dog once for
heartworms and until this discussion being opened up
regarding heartworms in cats, had just assumed it
would be about the same thing. I do not like giving my
cats chemicals, each month, unless I might actually
see a flea, for example. I was surprised to discover a
cat cannot be treated for heartworms once infected by
disease, the same as a dog. I did know cat's
resistance was better and had always counted on
that... I guess now, heartworms is becoming another
thing we need to be worrying about for our cats...I'll
be sharing this info. with friends... I do know
heartworm disease in becoming more prevalent every
year in the United States. The dog I dealt with was a
dog I had rescued in Hawaii. He had a bad case. I had
him treated and he became negative. I thought it would
be the same for cats... In Hawaii, because the
incidence of heartworms is so high, I did keep my dog
on preventatives...I would do the same here, for dogs,
on the mainland now, as it is getting so common... I
will now be considering it for my cats next
summer...Thanks, Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi gang, 
> 
> Funny, we were also discussing heartworms on another
> list today.
> 
> Here is a link that was sent to me, I have not
> reviewed it, so, let me know what you think.
> 
> Susan -  Found this website that seems to have loads
> of cat info on heartworm.  The video/animation is
> pretty cool.
> 
> http://www.heartwormsociety.org/article.asp?id=16
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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