On 01:52 PM 6/02/2002 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
>At 02:00 PM 2/6/2002 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote:
>>Negative clearances on components do not work - would be nice if they
>>did. Alternatively a rule that allowed component clearance violations to
>>be ignored for s
What is up with you lot in north America at the moment?
Cabin Fever getting to you?
Seems an awful lot of heat in this topic.
Bye for now,
Ian Wilson
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the same then Altium must think that PCAD
has more features or is better in some fashion, but P99SE is more expensive
(proportionally) to maintain. I wonder what conclusions we are supposed to
draw from this.
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ng for some assistance in trolling back
through the forum to find bugs that have been discussed but not yet added
to the database. If you reported a bug in the last six months can you send
me a reminder please and a brief summary and if possible details of any
independent co
he concept of simply extending the normal
path into the DDB as a description may well work OK.
So you could have:
\\MyServer\Project Archives\DDB\MegaBlast_1A.DDB\PCB\Analog Card.PCB
This is not a real resolvable path but if you cons
may make ATS worth something. I am very concerned that
with the guaranteed income from ATS Altium will actually have to perform
less well in this area than currently.
BTW - I like the old subject heading "Serious Bug: Polygons still
laces - Layer
76 is the Background Layer. This is the mechanism - the background layer
is being drawn over the other layers.
Bye for now,
Ian Wilson
Here are the layer numbers used in the layer drawing order:
NoLayer 0
TopLayer1
MidLayer1 2
MidLayer2
awingOrder6=2
LayerDrawingOrder7=3
...
...
My LayerDrawingOrder0 is set to to MultiLayer while yours is set to
BackGroundLayer. I am intrigued about what the effect of you having the
first layer as the background?
(For a complete list of the layer numbers
ry to
go back over the last year or so. We should also remember that not all bug
reports have a nice subject line that let us all know that a possible bug
is being reported (more's the pity - a little discipline goes a long way
to easing the archivists task).
Thanks,
On 06:41 PM 14/02/2002 +1100, Ian Wilson said:
>I have added a few more entries to the bug database - including a couple
>of recently discussed bugs.
>
>The general intention of this database is to document bugs that do not
>seem to make it into the Protel KB, and/or, are persi
een fixed by now.
Jason - did you get any further in determining why you had a many instances
of DDB corruption while operating over the network? This info and any
warnings you can give would make a good bug database entry( or
entries). This is something that Protel KB is not very forthco
At 05:19 PM 14/02/02 -0800, you wrote:
>The one problem I see is that KB item 1985 indicates it is a user error:
>"Folders cannot contain invalid characters such as apostrophe's." Since
>Windows allows it as a filename character, it's not invalid; other programs
>handle it ok. Also, equal signs c
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from the Molex (and other) web
sities.
DVI connectors can include single channel or dual channel support and
include the analog RGB pins as well (optionally).
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d their stuff helpful - but we were using a couple of their devices
so I can't really say how helpful it is if you are doing a roll-your-own or
using some other manufacturers parts.
www.siliconimage.com - pain of a site - whizzy bits at the beginning and
then takes an age to load the real
e one option - also allows reasonably complete comparison of the
setups of the two machines - not just benchmarking.
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support the other copper layers but you have to enable
them using Tools-Layer Stack Manager in the PCBLib editor.
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you listening?
Shameless plug - the parts list server I wrote has the ability to read a
config file from disk to avoid any dialog boxes. So you can have a
standardized Parts List generated from a single keystroke if you wish. CSV
file output is included to allow further manipulation in a spreadsheet. (It
d
KB Item 1391.
The suggested work arounds are OK for Sch but PCB is a pain.
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mport into the Sch Library, the second into
Schematic).
Can you explain more?
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ntrol over which fields should be updated and from what Excel
column.)
It is not posted on our web site as it is still in late beta testing but if
you or any one is interested email me off list.
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Jason Morgan having similar problems - hugely long delays when moving
components and component text. But it is something most of us are not
seeing. I get the feeling that we are sniffing around the edges of a fairly
significant bug or series of interactions that cause Protel to run r
inue to use it I would appreciate
you register it.)
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At 11:24 AM 19/02/02 +1100, you wrote:
>OK, Ian,
>
>If you're going to make such a shameless plug then you could
>at least tell us where to get a copy! :-)
>
>At least, do you have an ETA for when you'll finish testing
>and release such an obviously useful tool?
>
>Cheers,
>
>John Haddy
It is no
ation is all OK - just not the www site links.
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bjects as currently configured, but vias do not necessarily exist on all
>layers, they could be blind or buried.
New item added, thanks
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On 04:58 PM 19/02/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>Today must be my day for Protel wierdness. After a marathon session of
>editing BOM info via spreadsheet, I'm not sure it's worth the bother. Takes
>almost as long to clean up after it as it would to just do all the edits
>directly in PCB. Fun
ry he came from...)
How do others interpret the following terms?
PCB (printed circuit board)
PWA (printed wiring assembly)
What term(s) do you use for the assembled PCB?
Hooroo,
Ian Wilson
(Maybe the Topic Police will get cranky over this flagrant mis-use of
electrons but we can move to the OT list
On 12:25 PM 20/02/2002 -0800, Dwight said:
>A related discussion reminded me of this -- a very annoying "feature" of
>autosave is that it saves all open documents, whether or not they've been
>changed. So although you can set it to keep multiple backups, if you leave
>your design open while doing
s very much that Autosave only save changed files. Up to
Protel to now take this as far as they see fit (if anywhere).
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that such wizards and servers and macros are best left to the users
to create and Protel to concentrate on making the underlying SDK and core
processes reliable.
The area of users co-operating on creating macros and servers is one area I
think the
what the bug(s) might be.
> Another for the wish list- Final/Draft/Hidden should be set by layer
>- not just by primitive type.
Good idea, I would like that as well. But I am not maintaining the Wish
List...
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have smt pads only on the
layer of the component. Tracks and vias are used to create the layer
interconnections. Nothing fancy under the pads at all. They exist only on
the one copper layer.
More complex boards may have blind and buried vias - but even these will
*mostly* be separat
write the above. Pull your head in or go away.
I welcome your reasonable, friendly input in the future - but I am close to
adding a JaMi filter to my email...
Rant Off
Cranky,
Ian Wilson
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leave it to you to work out the relevance.
Mechanical layers can be used set to merge with other layers when producing
gerbers - I leave it to you .
Ian Wilson
(PS my rudeness for the day is exhausted, all sweetness and light from me
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On 04:13 PM 20/02/2002 -0800, Leonard Gabrielson said:
>Is this what this forum does? Sit and discuss what a printed circuit board
>is? I thought I could get some useful information here.
>
>Len
Yep - we are a bunch of overpaid time wasting bums..
go away and think about methods of
implementing some of the features that we have not been able to agree on
how best to implement.
Lecture off,
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n on the best way forward since the FAQ
entry (I think). Search the archive for previous discussions on this.
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two components, or between two pads used to short two nets together.
(This has been discussed before as has the concept of a NoSync PCB
directive/attribute.)
Brad, I will go off an do my penance now,
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a version was released but that was withdrawn.
The above server will allow some a sort of bottom view.
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On 03:18 PM 21/02/2002 -0500, Bob Jones said:
>DNETC.EXE
Is a trojan according to a quick search on google. I think you will
probably want to do your own research on how to get rid of it. The
Symantec AV and the McAfee AV sites would be good starting points.
Ian
at were
introduced by SP6. Can we try to document the problems introduced with SP6
- these may go into the Bug List and then any Phoenix beta testers may
remember to test to see if the issues have been fixed.
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On 03:05 PM 22/02/2002 +1200, Steve Baldwin said:
>3) Producing a placement file / drawing for the SMT parts. As far as
>the SMT guy is concerned, that is the top side of the board.
You can already invert the mud-map - we do it all the time. An option in
the print setup / print preview setup.
reen resolutions and colour depths are different
between monitors.
(Can multi-monitor systems have different colour depths under Windows?)
There is another method of just viewing the board from the bottom - the 3D
Viewer will allow this. I was recently reminded of this by a P
g there in the next version -
they are, after all, nice marketable features.
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On 09:19 AM 22/02/2002 -0500, Mike Reagan said:
>So my questions is why do you prefer to shove
>watermellons in your nose when apples are less painless.
Mike,
I am trying to work out the double negatives here :-)
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On 07:41 PM 22/02/2002 -0800, Brad Velander said:
>Darren,
> thank you very much, I was racking my brain trying to remember the
>cures which had previously been discussed, to no avail. Now they seem to
>have disappeared but I know they are just lurking somewhere where they are
>not readily
On 02:29 PM 25/02/2002 -0800, Dwight said:
><..Snip..>
>BUG:
>Summary: Print Preview: Tools | Preference, color selection dialog can
>become "blocked".
>
>Details: If a PPC (Print Preview) doc is opened in a Protel client session
>before any PCB has been opened, then on the Tools | Preferences, Co
At 01:23 PM 27/02/02 -0500, you wrote:
>How do I specify a pad with a rectangular or square cutout? I'm using a
>switch and a stereo phone jack that require rectangular and square mounting
>holes respectively.
>
>Sean James
Sean,
You can always consider using a PCB connector with round pins. I
or just 0,0 to get close) and then
click to place the pad. The extra time taken to zoom in is minor (no
re-centring required) but, you are right, it is a bit clunky. Better would
be the PCB library zoom starting with about 5 cm (2") extents.
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selections is also fraught.
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fferent pairings?).
How are issues like this handled in other packages?
bye for now,
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the design?
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in the correct relative locations
and did not leave components mirrored.
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ch updating anything on that component - I think it should be
(optionally, maybe) listed in the Preview Changes dialog as a change that
is blocked by the NO_UPDATE attribute to allow us to see possible
unintended consequences of the NO_UPDATE attribute.
I think the attribute should be avai
got around to re-installing P99SE yet.
The colour setting in the Layer Colour dialog will not change the net
colour of existing nets - maybe it changes the net colour of new nets? I
have never bothered investigating this but I think there has been
discussion of thi
t want
the hassle of finding and then adding in add-ons. That and the fact that
the available add-ons are obviously not sufficiently "killer apps". So the
return, either $ or the warm fuzzy feeling of a "useful job done", is not
ing all the posts; dealing in languages that you are
not able to think in is very tiring.
I am sorry that there is no simple answer to your query.
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> >
>Right, I am a little bit confused Should I forget about the idea to
>get a solution to my query by an add-on and resolve it manually?
>
>Jean-Christophe
Yes. Oui. Ya.
n lock up Eudora, preventing it from starting
fully and connecting to the mail servers. As soon as the rogue instance of
P99SE is terminated then Eudora is OK. It does not happen very often but
is still irritating and Protel should fix this
decal and oriented the thieves
according to the nominated wave direction (if the component is on a wave
solder side) etc.
But as wave soldering becomes less common maybe all this is not so much an
issue as it was a few years ago.
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On 09:08 PM 7/03/2002 +0100, Peder K. Hellegaard said:
>Working as a designbureu using Protel I need a server/addon/tool that can
>place all components in a PCB library on a number of pcb sheets for
>subsequently printing. Preferbly with an option of automatically indicating
>the pinnumbers next
if an entity type satisfies:
Entity = Entity_Type_1 AND *all* the Entity_Type_1 conditions in the query
or
Entity = Entity_Type_2 AND *all* the Entity_Type_2 conditions in the query
...
etc
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Wouldn't be too hard to try it - copy and paste the same layer multiple
times (plane2=false |plane2=false |plane2=false ) to rapidly build up a
long string and see what happens to a different layer at the end. Report
your experience please.
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multiple parameters - try it:
TopSignal=Toggle|TopOverlay=toggle
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the 4
character pad name limitation) and persisted through to V3 and maybe P98
from my (fading) memory.
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properly as it does
>normally around the current cursor position.
>
>(Very minor)
>
>Tony
Yes, Tony, but does it do this when facing north, south and west or is only
while facing east?
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sure good plotting accuracy. If
you can get a smaller radius corner you problem will largely disappear
won't it? Especially if you pull the mask away a little more.
Also you can try to tighten up the aperture matching in the CAM output,
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thread there has been something nagging me. I am sure I would have
remembered eventually.
As for extending it to deal with all entities - yes that should be done. Or
alternatively I should not make the claim it does everything.
Will try to get to it soon,
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likely to do it.
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On 12:20 PM 15/03/2002 -0800, Dwight said:
>Ian, it's already there - 2001/02/09, summary is "Client: If document tabs
>exceed window width, they become unreliable"
I think I have been doing too much lately - brain is becoming increasingly
frazzled.
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r use and which I will have to check/update to ensure that all
the pins have the correct pin type. I will continue making my own Sch
symbols thanks - it is a another great chance to check the design anyway.
Regards,
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have a heirarchy of
schematics etc - this means one needs to walk up/down all these folders and
schematics - these are all managed by the tools that the SDK exposes for
managing binders.
Is this a once off operation or something you need to do regularly?
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problem (possibly also overlapping pours
of the same net) (although this problem is, according to the Protel KB,
"improved" in P99SE compared to P98)
3) Finally, see if you can rationalise design rules. Make use of net and
pad cla
of an incentive for such service providers to tool up.
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ficient interest to justify
the time.
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of questions have come up recently that are relevant to
servers we have written.)
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VSS so I
would hope they have fairly generic support so FreeCVS and others can also
be used.
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. This does not look liek improved performance to me. The feature
set had better be good as ATS is a *major* disincentive to me that will
have to be countered by bug fixes and features I want to use.)
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s possible that there is no
practical method of making the DDB version control friendly and so to get
the version control interface working the new storage format is necessary -
who knows.
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ity. Probably won't help
any bugs but it can be a useful method of checking that what you think is
applying actually is. It is also useful for confirming bugs before you
report then here and to Protel.
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do an X-A. I am so used to doing X-A before a selection that automatic
mode just took over. I had to sit there and do each keystroke very slowly
and deliberately and each mouse move very carefully, like a novice, to
break the X-A neuron path.
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they are using the:
http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com/
www archive.
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ent - and then the
classic missing pad can be generated. Select a net (or connected copper),
which includes components with unlocked primitives. Delete the selection
and away go the pads. This is a problem and it would be nice if Protel
gave a warning that component entities were about to
high (at this stage way too high) maintenance tax (ATS).
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naware of it.
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>JaMi Smith
I just tried selecting just the pad of a component and a few free
vias. MoveSelection moved just the vias.
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stayed fixed to the component. The only method I knew of moving a pad
of a component with locked primitives is to edit the pads XY coords.
Now I know another - some strange sequence of operations may cause it when
moving/rotating a selection - at least that is what is seeming likely to me
fr
te the selection. You also customize the environment
to make the more standard Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X and Ctrl-V operate in the normal
Windows way rather than the older (Win3.1) keys that Protel uses by default
(Ctrl-Delete, Shift-Delete and Ctrl-Ins).
Ian Wilson
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at these two simulators do. You should
consider the Protel simulator as basically very SPICE compatible -
proprietary extensions are not always (rarely) recognised.
Ian Wilson
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tusoft have gone
on and added a whole lot of models on top of that.)
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and snipped | Side-Posted with lunacy
> with common sense........
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>Cheers, Terry. | Bye for now, Ian Wilson
This email is totally frivolous. Possibly best viewed with FW font and a
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This item also references Item 2198 (a wordy description of the Access DDB)
and and 2199 (not much use really).
Item - 3131 - gives details on path name length limits.
Ian Wilson
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print etc) or do you
mean actually import component definitions and locations, wires, text etc
from the Excel file?
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>I think this is publicly accessible, you shouldn't have to be a member.
Abd ulRahman,
Brad is correct - the original enquiry was not about archives but about the
servers and basic scripts. As Brad said, these are stored i
On 05:45 PM 9/04/2002 -0400, Abd ulRahman Lomax said:
>At 11:49 AM 4/9/2002 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
>Brad is correct - the original enquiry was not about archives but about
>the servers and basic scripts. As Brad said, these are stored in the
>Files store of the yahoo users g
these pads in one go with a
pad-specification or maybe an *AND* rule added to the rule set.
Gotto go now...just some quick ideas. Maybe someone has done it before and
worked it out.
Ian Wilson
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If a
component is a separate component/assy on the board then one should be very
careful about using anything other than a simple component on the Sch and
PCB - unless you are very aware of all the implications. At least that is
my
nting this in the schematic library:
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>1) Place 40 pins and give each one a title like "PA0 (AD0)".
Yes, go with this one. I take the view that if there is one pin on the PCB
there should be one pin on the SCH. (I also show all pins on the SCH
including NC and all power pins - it m
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