On 29 Nov 2013, at 21:14, Samiya Illias wrote:
On 29-Nov-2013, at 10:34 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 28 Nov 2013, at 15:29, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek
(neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the
abramanic
On 29 Nov 2013, at 22:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/29/2013 2:09 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of
knowledge and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless
or does not exist. God's presence is perceivable through His
On 29 Nov 2013, at 23:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/29/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2013, at 00:58, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek
(neo)platonists. They did invented the
On 29 Nov 2013, at 23:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/29/2013 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56,
How is it 'easiest to dismiss'?
Samiya
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On 29-Nov-2013, at 12:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and
fantasies in them easily put
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
How is it 'easiest to dismiss'?
Because it is an assumption you add... so keep it simple is easier, so as
it adds nothing, and explain nothing about how can something exists on its
own... well it's easy to dismiss.
Quentin
Samiya
Sent from
Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program,
build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life,
the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own,
and for no purpose?
Consider the following:
“Behold! In the creation of the
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program,
build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life,
the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own,
and for no purpose?
Ask
Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of knowledge
and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless or does not exist.
God's presence is perceivable through His creation! Denying God won't
change anything, but we may miss out on something critically important, to
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of
knowledge and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless
It is.
or does not exist.
The god you talk about (the christian's one) with the long beard, certainly
does
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/27 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
wrote:
All of this demonstrate how little we know about what we are.
Yes, I think most
Just for the record, I do not personify God. It would be simply speculative and
unfair of us to imagine any form of God.
All I know is how He briefly introduces Himself as the 'noor' or 'spiritual
light' of the heavens and earth. (Quran 24:35)
Samiya
Sent from my iPhone
On 29-Nov-2013, at
1)
Atheists say: Prove to me your existence and I will trust you.
God says: Trust me and I will prove to you my existence.
Agnostic says: Trust me, neither of you can prove or show the other
anything at this point :-)
2)
What did the Buddhist say to the atheist pizza chef?
Make me one with
On 29 Nov 2013, at 00:58, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists.
They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even
if terribly deformed, notably by the
On 28 Nov 2013, at 17:01, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
the Christian God who is the most unpleasant character in all
of fiction.
It really depends on which Christians, which can be very different
from one culture to
On 28 Nov 2013, at 15:29, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists.
They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even
if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it,
and the use of authoritative arguments,
On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal
marc...@ulb.ac.be
, Nov 29, 2013 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment
On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote
On 29-Nov-2013, at 10:34 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 28 Nov 2013, at 15:29, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They
did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly
deformed, notably by
Bruno wrote: 'But thanks to the discovery of the universal machine I have few
doubt that I can prove to you (if patient enough) the existence of all the
computations in the arithmetical reality. (I might know that already).'
Yes, please, I am very keen.
Samiya
Sent from my iPhone
On
On 11/29/2013 1:51 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, build a machine,
and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, the creation of the Universe /
multiverse, all just happened on its own, and for no purpose?
I don't
On 11/29/2013 1:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com
Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program,
build a
machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, the
On 11/29/2013 2:09 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of knowledge and
comprehension of God, and not because God is useless or does not exist. God's presence
is perceivable through His creation! Denying God won't change anything, but we may
On 11/29/2013 6:02 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
Just for the record, I do not personify God. It would be simply speculative and unfair
of us to imagine any form of God.
All I know is how He briefly introduces Himself as the 'noor' or 'spiritual light' of
the heavens and earth. (Quran 24:35)
Then
On 11/29/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2013, at 00:58, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They
did
invented the God used
On 11/29/2013 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.comwrote:
It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, build a
machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, the
creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own,
If
On 27 Nov 2013, at 20:04, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
If you are able to conceive a god without afterlife
I can conceive of a afterlife without God too.
it means you can conceive a non Christian God,
Yes.
which is nice
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife,
Those are 2 separate ideas and there
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did
invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly
deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of
authoritative arguments, by Christians, Muslims, and perhaps by the Jewish
2013/11/28 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They
did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly
deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of
authoritative arguments, by
Quentin wrote: ' if there was an all loving god, it wouldn't allow for hell and
evil..'
Why do we need courts and jails and police on Earth if its such an unloving
thing to do justice?
Samiya
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On 28-Nov-2013, at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
if
2013/11/28 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
Quentin wrote: ' if there was an all loving god, it wouldn't allow for
hell and evil..'
Why do we need courts and jails and police on Earth if its such an
unloving thing to do justice?
Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient
2013/11/28 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
Quentin wrote: 'Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient
beings and we can *do* evil. If such being(s) existed, it would not
allow that, but there is evil...'
So if the Loving, Omnipotent and Omniscient Being tells us that this
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
the Christian God who is the most unpleasant character in all of
fiction.
It really depends on which Christians, which can be very different from
one culture to another.
I know some people who call themselves
Quentin wrote: 'Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient
beings and we can *do* evil. If such being(s) existed, it would not allow
that, but there is evil...'
So if the Loving, Omnipotent and Omniscient Being tells us that this world's
life is but a trial, that free-will has
Sure, but before being judgemental and throwing it out of the window, do read
the Books of the Abrahamic faiths. Perhaps one of them will pleasantly surprise
you :)
Samiya
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On 28-Nov-2013, at 8:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/28 Samiya
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:43, LizR wrote:
Noun
atheism (plural atheisms)
(narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including
rejection of other religious beliefs).
(broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or
without a belief that no deities exist).
(very broadly)
On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Atheism
On 11/28/2013 6:29 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did
invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly
deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of
authoritative arguments, by
Of meekerdb
Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 7:35 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment
On 11/28/2013 6:29 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did
invented the God used by both the abramanic
On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They
did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly
deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of
On 29 November 2013 09:19, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or
Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi,
Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis,
Asclepius, Athena,
I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol!
Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers apparently see
reason for them to exist:
*Footnote to Howl*
*By Allen Ginsberg http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/allen-ginsberg *
Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!
But if *everything's *holy... well, you know the rest.
On 29 November 2013 14:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol!
Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers apparently see
reason for them to
I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and
fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we
discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more
difficult it is to believe that everything just happens on its own. We may
not be able
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and
fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we
discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more
difficult it is to believe that
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
All of this demonstrate how little we know about what we are.
Yes, I think most societies underestimate how much they don't know.
It's easy to spot this looking back in History, but it's more rare to
be able to see
2013/11/27 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
wrote:
All of this demonstrate how little we know about what we are.
Yes, I think most societies underestimate how much they don't know.
It's easy to spot this looking
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife,
Those are 2 separate ideas and there is no reason they must be
linked. There could be a God and no afterlife or a afterlife
On 26 Nov 2013, at 19:00, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2013 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 00:32, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 25 November 2013 23:17, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
wrote:
2013/11/25 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
On 25 November 2013
On 26 Nov 2013, at 19:03, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
but personal purpose must be metaphisical. I mean transcendental,
beyond our own. Except in the case of people in the edge, that are
concerned with its own survival.
you can not find meaning working every morning for a society if your
On 26 Nov 2013, at 20:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/11/26 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 11/26/2013 10:03 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
but personal purpose must be metaphisical. I mean transcendental,
beyond our own.
Beyond my what?...beyond my purpose. That would be incoherent.
On 26 Nov 2013, at 22:14, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 06:39, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
But we don't know that. There is no logical reason there shouldn't
be a purpose to life, universes and consciousness.
No logical reason, but there's no obvious sign that there is one.
On 27 Nov 2013, at 01:00, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2013 2:49 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 11:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/26/2013 1:20 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 07:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Suppose you work for yourself instead of society.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
If you are able to conceive a god without afterlife
I can conceive of a afterlife without God too.
it means you can conceive a non Christian God,
Yes.
which is nice
Certainly nicer than the Christian God who is
On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife,
Those are 2 separate ideas and there is no reason
Noun
*atheism* (*plural* *atheisms
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atheisms#English*)
1. (narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including
rejection of other religious beliefs).
2. (broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without
a belief that no deities
No, as Steven Weinberg pointed out there will be many more universes which marginally
support intelligent life as compared to those which are highly adapted to it.
Brent
On 11/25/2013 11:19 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
So the physics of our Universe is fine-tuned to our evolution ?
Sent from my
On 26 November 2013 17:51, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/25/2013 7:35 PM, LizR wrote:
On 26 November 2013 15:31, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
All things I do.
So why does purpose presuppose something like God? In fact I don't see
that something like God could add
On 26 November 2013 20:19, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
So the physics of our Universe is fine-tuned to our evolution ?
No, according to the Weak Anthropic Principle, the physics of our universe
should only be *adequate* - that is, it should allow us to evolve but not
in any way
I would say that there are only two kinds of explanations:
1 - What we see is so improbable, so everything must exist. only we live in
one exceptional corner. UDA, Multiverses etc. That include botlzman whales
2- What we see is so improbable
2013/11/26 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com
2013/11/26 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
I would say that there are only two kinds of explanations:
1 - What we see is so improbable, so everything must exist. only we live
in one exceptional corner. UDA, Multiverses etc. That include Boltzmann
whales
Yes, and with comp #2 becomes a serious possibility since minds
automatically exist due to arithmetical realism.
On 26 November 2013 22:04, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/26 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
I would say that there are only two kinds of
All of this demonstrate how little we know about what we are.
I have some interesting hints about all of this I think. And I have to
formally demonstrate that, and sorry for the pedantry but, as I said
frequently, according with evolutionary game theory, the collective
sacrifices are needed for
On 11/26/2013 1:04 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/11/26 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com mailto:agocor...@gmail.com
I would say that there are only two kinds of explanations:
1 - What we see is so improbable, so everything must exist. only we live in
one
exceptional
Yes , but in a certain way, it is to reduce two mysteries to one by saying
that there is a relation between both. That does makes sense, since an
essential part of the mind work is to create improbable things.
2013/11/26 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 11/26/2013 1:04 AM, Alberto G. Corona
On 26 Nov 2013, at 00:32, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 25 November 2013 23:17, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
wrote:
2013/11/25 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
On 25 November 2013 12:35:50 am AEDT, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno asks: Should we search, or not, for a
Concerning the pre nausea and post nausea, I think that a post nauseam
society is burning their last fuel, like a star burn heavier and heavier
elements until it implodes. In this case, following the game-theoretical
logic that I mentioned,
the naked reality comes from the disbelief in their
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Atheism is wish fulfillment.
To some extent that is true. Imagine for a moment what it would be like if
a Christian God did exist, it would be far worse than living in North
Korea! Here we have an all powerful demon
On 11/26/2013 9:28 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Yes , but in a certain way, it is to reduce two mysteries to one by saying that there is
a relation between both.
It's a common move in philosophy and even in speculative science. Penrose saw that
consciousness and quantum gravity are both
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife,
Those are 2 separate ideas and there is no reason they must be linked.
There could be a God and no afterlife or a afterlife and no God; or neither
could exist or both could.
but personal purpose must be metaphisical. I mean transcendental, beyond
our own. Except in the case of people in the edge, that are concerned with
its own survival.
you can not find meaning working every morning for a society if your
society has not a purpose,a plan itself for going along.
The
On 25 Nov 2013, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/24/2013 2:43 PM, LizR wrote:
On 25 November 2013 10:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
That isn't a problem at all. It's just like the arguments about
the existence of god; first you have to define what you mean by
god before you
On 11/26/2013 10:03 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
but personal purpose must be metaphisical. I mean transcendental, beyond our
own.
Beyond my what?...beyond my purpose. That would be incoherent.
Except in the case of people in the edge, that are concerned with its own
survival.
Why is
2013/11/26 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 11/26/2013 10:03 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
but personal purpose must be metaphisical. I mean transcendental, beyond
our own.
Beyond my what?...beyond my purpose. That would be incoherent.
Yes. beyond your purpose.
Except in the case of
On 11/26/2013 11:13 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/11/26 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 11/26/2013 10:03 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
but personal purpose must be metaphisical. I mean transcendental,
beyond our own.
Beyond my
On 27 November 2013 06:39, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
But we don't know that. There is no logical reason there shouldn't be a
purpose to life, universes and consciousness.
No logical reason, but there's no obvious sign that there is one.
And there might be deep reason, yet
On 27 November 2013 07:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Suppose you work for yourself instead of society. Or as George Carlin put
it, If I'm here for other people, what are those other people here for?
What has posterity ever done for me?
This is an evolutionary choice between
On 11/26/2013 1:20 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 07:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
Suppose you work for yourself instead of society. Or as George Carlin put it,
If
I'm here for other people, what are those other people here for?
What has
On 27 November 2013 11:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/26/2013 1:20 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 07:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Suppose you work for yourself instead of society. Or as George Carlin
put it, If I'm here for other people, what are those
On 11/26/2013 2:49 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 11:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 11/26/2013 1:20 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 07:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Suppose you work
On 27 November 2013 13:00, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/26/2013 2:49 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 11:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/26/2013 1:20 PM, LizR wrote:
On 27 November 2013 07:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Suppose you work for
On 11/24/2013 5:35 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno asks: Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical
reality?
We must, otherwise this life itself doesn't make any sense. There has to be a purpose,
and there has to be some sort of an outcome.
I have my purposes. Does that
2013/11/24 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:06, LizR wrote:
To be exact it's the belief that no gods exist, i.e. that theism is
wrong. But otherwise it does seem to echo Aristotle and Plato, at least as
far as I understand them.
Atheism is also the belief in NO
On 25 November 2013 12:35:50 am AEDT, Samiya Illias wrote:Bruno asks: Should
we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical reality? We must,
otherwise this life itself doesn't make any sense. There has to be a purpose,
and there has to be some sort of an outcome.
2013/11/25 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
On 25 November 2013 12:35:50 am AEDT, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno asks: Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical
reality?
We must, otherwise this life itself doesn't make any sense. There has to
be a purpose, and there
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/24 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:06, LizR wrote:
To be exact it's the belief that no gods exist, i.e. that theism is
wrong. But otherwise it does seem to echo Aristotle and
On 11/24/2013 1:44 PM, LizR wrote:
If it was just the Christian God then believers in Odin and the Ancient Romans and
Egyptians and so on would all be atheists which seems a bit silly!
Interestingly, the Romans called early Christians atheists because they didn't believe
in the Roman
On 11/24/2013 2:43 PM, LizR wrote:
On 25 November 2013 10:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
That isn't a problem at all. It's just like the arguments about the
existence of
god; first you have to define what you mean by god before you can answer
On 24 Nov 2013, at 21:08, John Mikes wrote:
Liz: your precise version (with Bruno's rounding it up) makes me
evoid to call myself an atheist:
An 'atheist' requires god(s) to DENY.
In my (rather agnostic) worldview there is no place (requirement)
for supernatural (whatever that may be)
On 11/25/2013 4:17 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/11/25 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com mailto:stath...@gmail.com
On 25 November 2013 12:35:50 am AEDT, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno asks: Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical
reality?
We must,
On 25 November 2013 23:17, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/25 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
On 25 November 2013 12:35:50 am AEDT, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno asks: Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical
reality?
We must, otherwise this
On 26 November 2013 12:32, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 November 2013 23:17, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/25 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
On 25 November 2013 12:35:50 am AEDT, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno asks: Should we search, or
On 11/25/2013 3:59 PM, LizR wrote:
On 26 November 2013 12:32, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
mailto:stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 November 2013 23:17, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/25 Stathis Papaioannou
On 26 November 2013 15:31, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
All things I do.
So why does purpose presuppose something like God? In fact I don't see
that something like God could add or subtract from my purposes - although
He might affect my methods and whether or not I realized my
On 11/25/2013 7:35 PM, LizR wrote:
On 26 November 2013 15:31, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
All things I do.
So why does purpose presuppose something like God? In fact I don't see that
something like God could add or subtract from my purposes -
OK. But in that case I don't see any reason to think 'life' or 'the
universe' has any purpose.
Brent
The more we learn about the universe the more it seems pointless.
--- Steven Weinberg
Perhaps that is why we need to explore and evaluate the 'divinely revealed /
inspired' books, in
On 11/25/2013 10:36 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
OK. But in that case I don't see any reason to think 'life' or 'the universe' has any
purpose.
Brent
The more we learn about the universe the more it seems pointless.
--- Steven Weinberg
Perhaps that is why we need to explore and evaluate the
What do you mean by 'selected by our existence'?
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On 26-Nov-2013, at 11:46 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/25/2013 10:36 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
OK. But in that case I don't see any reason to think 'life' or 'the
universe' has any purpose.
Brent
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